The Syndicate

Oh my god! There’s nothing wrong with the bidet, is there?

I see myself voting early and often. And if this game truly is a redo of Mad Max, then the best place to start is with a vote for [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:23 am G-man self meta is lame so I will let Jack to talk about my meta, I played with him more than with the others, as both alignaments.

What do you think of G-man asking about the metas of new people?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:46 pm I see myself voting early and often. And if this game truly is a redo of Mad Max, then the best place to start is with a vote for [VOTE: Quin] aubergine

Why is this here

G-man asked when people would be voting. I wanted to kick off the festivities and thought Quin would be likely to respond to provocation. He did not.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:47 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:23 am G-man self meta is lame so I will let Jack to talk about my meta, I played with him more than with the others, as both alignaments.

What do you think of G-man asking about the metas of new people?

Understandable and NAI given his absence.

Why'd you answer a question that was directed at Michelle?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:48 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:23 am G-man self meta is lame so I will let Jack to talk about my meta, I played with him more than with the others, as both alignaments.

Michelle will show WIM if she’s town and if that’s incorrect, it will force her to show WIM anyway, which will help solve her.

The hell is WIM?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:49 pm @G-Man

WIM = Wants It More

That (sometimes town indicative) drive to win the game whereas a scumbo may be perfectly willing to sit back and watch the town implode.

The opposite of slanking.

So, "effort"?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:12 pm Acronyms for all

AFA? IYSS

I believe this is my first time actually playing with Michelle, but I have observed her in previous games. Not enough to make specific distinctions between town and not-town performances. But I have a general feel for who she is.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:21 pmNAITC!

Nutella always is the champion? Let's not get cocky.

"New Acronym Intended To Confuse" is what I actually hope that stands for. I'm going to re-purpose it as such if not.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:51 pm Cheers, dingoes ate my baby, didgeridoo!

I can’t read anyone so I’m not going to pretend to try.

what're you gonna do instead?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:49 pm @G-Man

WIM = Wants It More

That (sometimes town indicative) drive to win the game whereas a scumbo may be perfectly willing to sit back and watch the town implode.

The opposite of slanking.

So, "effort"?

G-Man is a civilian.

how'd you get there from this?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 5:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:09 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 3:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 2:49 pm @G-Man

WIM = Wants It More

That (sometimes town indicative) drive to win the game whereas a scumbo may be perfectly willing to sit back and watch the town implode.

The opposite of slanking.

So, "effort"?

G-Man is a civilian.

how'd you get there from this?

Omitting needless words is the hallmark of any good writer (and civilian).

I think you meant to bestow this civilian read on little old me, if I'm reading correctly.

As long as there’s still nothing wrong with the bidet, I’m fine.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:17 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 1:51 pm Tony's entrance is ehhhh

G's is good if a little heavy-handed but I respect that he wants some meta. @G-Man Michelle tends to ask people a lot of questions (kinda like juliets actually now that I think about it). LLD I've only played with once and the game is still going so I probably shouldn't talk about it. Tony and sabie I've played with a handful more times but couldn't really give you much specific description of their styles, I think they both vary a fair amount.

Quin is schooling the rest of us on the aussie slang. Idk if I'll even try. Uh, who's coming to my sausage sizzle?

mate i would but let's just grab a couple of bunnings snags and get shitfaced instead

that bloody drongo sloonei is voting for me, you reckon he's a crook or nah?

u wot?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:28 pm @DFaraday

You have a history of missing day phases and ending games with under 10 posts. I understand that irl stuff happens but It has become a pattern.

I would absolutely love to play a mafia game with you but that’s going to require you to play a mafia game with me as well.

Please post.

You're mafia.

No you.

If I was mafia, I wouldn’t start the game with a push on a guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own.

I don’t see why not.

[VOTE: Jackuvfarts] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:28 pm @DFaraday

You have a history of missing day phases and ending games with under 10 posts. I understand that irl stuff happens but It has become a pattern.

I would absolutely love to play a mafia game with you but that’s going to require you to play a mafia game with me as well.

Please post.

You're mafia.

No you.

If I was mafia, I wouldn’t start the game with a push on a guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own.

I don’t see why not.

[VOTE: Jackuvfarts] aubergine

Seriously. When is the last time DF wasn’t just “resolved” by the town without anyone even scumreading him?

I’m trying to for once have a read on him before it gets to that point. That starts with him posting.

And I appreciate that. But it doesn't necessitate town jack in this game right now.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:39 pm nah, jack is fair dinkum right now.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:37 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:34 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:04 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:28 pm @DFaraday

You have a history of missing day phases and ending games with under 10 posts. I understand that irl stuff happens but It has become a pattern.

I would absolutely love to play a mafia game with you but that’s going to require you to play a mafia game with me as well.

Please post.

You're mafia.

No you.

If I was mafia, I wouldn’t start the game with a push on a guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own.

I don’t see why not.

[VOTE: Jackuvfarts] aubergine

Seriously. When is the last time DF wasn’t just “resolved” by the town without anyone even scumreading him?

I’m trying to for once have a read on him before it gets to that point. That starts with him posting.

And I appreciate that. But it doesn't necessitate town jack in this game right now.

And wolf Jack doesn’t need to do it either.

Glad we agree it’s nai at worst. So why are you voting me, mate?

Because we're 12 hours into Day 1 and nothing else is happening. Why are you concerned?

tbh I thought the "guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own" was a reference to Dom.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:54 pm tbh I thought the "guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own" was a reference to Dom.

which dom do you play with?

I should clarify that I thought jack was talking about you because that's where his vote was. I have no comment on whether or not I would agree with that assessment of you.

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:22 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:16 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:12 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:54 pm tbh I thought the "guy who tends to get himself lynched all on his own" was a reference to Dom.

which dom do you play with?

I should clarify that I thought jack was talking about you because that's where his vote was. I have no comment on whether or not I would agree with that assessment of you.

So you commented on something you have no comment on?

I clarified my position so as to not be mistaken for commenting on that which I have made no comment on.

Jack is the nazgul?

Why is Jack’s behavior Not A Good Look?

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:24 pm Hey everyone! I hope we're not all acting Australian somehow, because I don't know how to do that and I'd end up going Crocodile Dundee.

Because this is his only post and it’s nothing at all.

Jack is town.

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:29 pm @Sloonei

]Sloonei[/mention]

Maybe I missed it, but why are you voting LC?

He made a bland entrance.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:35 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:34 pmJack is town.

Why's that

Prodding DF the way he did probably isn’t a thing scum jack does. Overreacting to initial concerns over it definitely is not a thing scum jack does. He’s a player that people treat with skepticism fairly often because his style of play doesn’t change much between factions. I sense that his frustration today stems from being tired of being misread, especially this aggressively so early on in a game.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

I do not like his Jack vote.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:53 pm So right now I'm feeling suspicious of both Jack and nutella. Jack specifically commented on everyone in response to g man's post except me. He would have actually had to delete my name from the original post because now it's not there. Jack has played multiple games with me so why leave me out? Accidentally forgot me? Maybe... So far whenever I've played a game with jack and he's been mafia he makes it a point not to accuse me and ends up lulling me into a false sense of security just to come out and win in the end. Last time I realized just one lynch too late that it had happened again. He said hi to me in the beginning of the game so he knows I'm here. Also, I'm not sure how to take the whole making a big deal about DFs playstyle in the beginning.

I know nutella can be waffley a lot of times but some of what she's said kind of pinged me such as saying she didn't even know that Jack already votes and thinking tony would have tmi this early in the game. Some of her posts are just contradicting statements.

What are your thoughts on G-man and Tony?

Some Tony things:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.

Why does this post exist? Michelle also called him out for this but my beef is slightly different. It's not that he's doing math, it's that he's putting these words into the thread. They're isolated, not really attached to or inviting in any further discussion. He just plopped some cursory mechanical chatter into the thread and moved on.

His progression on Dom also looks strange. Is strange bad? Let's see.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:48 pm I don't want to lynch Dom right now. That makes me paranoid.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:10 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?

I think he's town. He's doing his typical thing of gathered reactions to lots of little things.

Okay thanks for your opinion.

anyone want to dissent?

I do not know what the initial stance on Dom is supposed to reflect. Do Tony and Dom have a particular history together where the former tends to suspect the latter? He then calls on nutella to offer her allegedly expert read, indicating that Tony doesn't have a particular history with Dom, but then beckons anyone else to disagree with her. In all of this, Tony has done nothing resembling independent work to read Dom. He has observed Dom's presence in the game and asked a specific player to comment on it, then he has sought dissenting opinions all across Australia.

What is your read on Dom, Tony? Does something stand out about him one way or the other? Why are you so interested in him here?

We are playing this game on Australian time, which isn't unfair since the 'stralians usually have to adapt to the Western hemisphere's hijinks around here. But I want to note this just in case anyone's operating under the usual clock procedures. This phase will end while most of us Americans are asleep. That includes myself. I don't know how much I'll be around tonight, so for the moment my Tony vote can be considered potentially final. At the very least, I hope that my questions for/about him can be addressed in some manner.

I do not advocate a Jack lynch today, since he's been our leader for most of the phase. nutella feels like herself, and I've liked the direction of Michelle's play so far. Other than that I don't have any strong reads worth expressing.

G-man compiled some ISO links here:

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:21 am Needing to ISO people resulted in creating this list. You're welcome.


DFaraday
Dom
Epignosis
G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
Lady LambdaDelta
Long Con
Michelle
nutella
Quin
sabie12
Sloonei
TonyStarkPrime


I'll post some observations around lunch time.

[mention]MacDougall[/mention] any chance you could toss these up in that there OP?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:22 pm ....I don't get it. Saying a post that was made to generate content was unnecessary can definitely be a scum argument. And I don't get your point about Michelle's comment either.

I think scum tends to take an explosive response because it can generate more discussion and town will tend to take a more genuine line. “This post isn’t solving” is a cop out argument in general, but here I think it functions as a sign that Sloonei doesn’t have an agenda. I also liked Sloonei’s phrasing but I tend not to delve into syntax cause 1) people think it’s stupid and 2) it makes future syntax arguments more WIFOMy.

People who think syntax doesn’t mean anything are wrong.

I’m unconvinced by the things Tony has said in response to me, but I don’t want the discussion to end there.

Long Con and G-man are the other two players I’ve felt directly suspicious of for more than a brief moment this game. I’ve held off on G-man because he hasn’t played in forever and he’s good company. And some of my pings could just be derived from his eagerness to get back in the action.

Long Con has felt a little flat. I may or may not be able to substatntiate that.

I think I’d add Epi to my Do Not Lynch list for today. His play feels entirely uncalculated and nonchalant. These are not things I associate with evil epi.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:55 am DF plays that way enough of the time that pinging him to play is fake because you already know from experience that he'll play how he plays pings or not. Filler content not real content. Flush Out Fillers, as they say. Done. "Answered" Wolf motivation: early seemingly useful but no really content.

Long Con’s ISO is a few jokes and some posts shoveling coal in the engine of the Jackwagon, like this one here. If he’s bad, he entered with a forced casual air and then pounced on an obvious and easy bandwagon. But as I type this out I have to ask if I really think LC would kick the game off like that.

I gave Michelle a town read because the energy in her posts seemed to be trending in a constructive direction, but I haven’t seen many other opinions on her besides Tony’s failing her for her response to his mechanic chatter. How do we read her?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:43 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:39 pm nah, jack is fair dinkum right now.

google said you think Jack is honest, is that correct?

nah yeah he's a good bloke i reckon

Why do you reckon that, esteemed Australian Quin? Who do you reckon ain’t such good blokes?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:08 am I gave Michelle a town read because the energy in her posts seemed to be trending in a constructive direction, but I haven’t seen many other opinions on her besides Tony’s failing her for her response to his mechanic chatter. How do we read her?

I just went through her posts, and noticed a lot of questions and very little in the way of offering her own views. I've never played with her that I can recall; is this normal behaviour for her?

(I spelt "behaviour" the Australian way for the game. Also "spelt.")

I am sympathetic to players who ask questions before offering views.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:30 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:43 am I’m unconvinced by the things Tony has said in response to me, but I don’t want the discussion to end there.

Long Con and G-man are the other two players I’ve felt directly suspicious of for more than a brief moment this game. I’ve held off on G-man because he hasn’t played in forever and he’s good company. And some of my pings could just be derived from his eagerness to get back in the action.

Long Con has felt a little flat. I may or may not be able to substatntiate that.

How are these real reads

I’ve read or skimmed most of the thread and my responses have been such that I came out feeling this way about things. I’ve expressed nothing firm or concrete here. Why do you object?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:54 am I guess you said you're not sure either but you did say you had been directly suspicious of them, that's the part I object to

You object to me pursuing my Day 1 suspicions, got it.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:54 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:11 am

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:43 am

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:39 pm nah, jack is fair dinkum right now.

google said you think Jack is honest, is that correct?

nah yeah he's a good bloke i reckon

Why do you reckon that, esteemed Australian Quin? Who do you reckon ain’t such good blokes?

mate its hard to roleplay and make choc a bloc posts at the same time

i reckon i'd call the coppers on nutella for starting the DF beef against jazza, that whole thing was a pissup.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Crikey

I will say that my main takeaway from today has been that Jack was in no way angling for a DFaraday lynch with his initial prod. I don’f know if I suspect anyone in particular for following up on it, but it’s the type of thing that could be seized upon by opportunistic bad guys at this stage.

I probably meant I don’t think that’s how mafia Long Con would start the game. Which is to say I talked myself out of suspecting you.

I’m falling asleep. If we’re lynching between Jack and nutella, I’d choose nutella. Jack’s play looks emphatically town, whereas nutella’s just looks emphatically nutella. That’s not a suspicion, it’s just absence of a firm town read.

I am not satisfied with those two options. I’m leaving my vote on tony and encourage anyone who’s awake to look at him and continue discussing other names.

Yeah, if the Tony lynch was uniquely scum orchestrated it means that both Jack and nutella are bad. Nah.

There could easily be one or two bad guys on any of the wagons though. I come out of this lynch feeling worse about Michelle.

[mention]G-Man[/mention] why did you not vote?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:51 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:05 pm Yeah, if the Tony lynch was uniquely scum orchestrated it means that both Jack and nutella are bad. Nah.

There could easily be one or two bad guys on any of the wagons though. I come out of this lynch feeling worse about Michelle.

You were the one who convinced me that Tony looked bad.

And?