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A few of DDL’s posts bugged me while I was skimming earlier. His entrance was the first of them. Concerns about flavor knowledge interfering with one’s involvement in the game are almost always unfounded. I don’t believe in the authenticity of this question as an introductory post. It looks awkward.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:46 am I've never watched The Wire. Is there anything I need to know?
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The question originated with DDL. He put the concern into the thread as his entrance to the game. It is that part I don’t like.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:05 pmI almost answered him with “Ditto.” Am I a wolf for that?Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:02 pmA few of DDL’s posts bugged me while I was skimming earlier. His entrance was the first of them. Concerns about flavor knowledge interfering with one’s involvement in the game are almost always unfounded. I don’t believe in the authenticity of this question as an introductory post. It looks awkward.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:46 am I've never watched The Wire. Is there anything I need to know?
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:09 pm I was just lamenting that Sloonei wasn't in this game when I saw him viewing it
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Why are you voting for mac?
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The only thing lower than my standards are my prices.
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The first clause is correct. Do you have reason to believe the others? Why is speedchuck my partner?
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Oh right, I kinda forgot i’m replacing into a player slot that has actually been active. Meh. I can’t speak for anything Jay did in his time here. You’ll all have a read on me before long.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:26 pmI entertained the idea that Jay was scum so yeah. Speed is my top suspect, and I didn't like how Jay treated him, and I found your interaction with him compatible as well.
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I am your worst nightmare.boo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:36 pm Okay. Caught up.
Some off-topic-ish acculturation rants to start:
1) I dislike that vote-changing is so popular now. Keeping track of shit is a headache. Seeing someone call a vote, wanting to look at it more for the why, only to get further and they've changed it again (and again, and maybe again). Grr.
2) I dislike how much people are now willing to openly call townreads on people. On day fucking 1. WIFOM on WIFOM on WIFOM. It feels so calculated and head-spinning for me.
So those are both things that threw me off in Inception as well and I'm already chewing through here. It feels even more heightened in this game because I didn't replace in just to immediately get killed.
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Actual advice for adjusting to this style: don’t put so much stock in early-to-mid-day votes. Part of them being changeable means that we’re free to use them as tools for conversation. A vote is not always (perhaps seldom) an actual vote in the sense that the voter is actively advocating for that player to be lynched until late in the phase. We throw them around to prompt reactions, not because we’re settled on a suspect.boo wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:36 pm Okay. Caught up.
Some off-topic-ish acculturation rants to start:
1) I dislike that vote-changing is so popular now. Keeping track of shit is a headache. Seeing someone call a vote, wanting to look at it more for the why, only to get further and they've changed it again (and again, and maybe again). Grr.
2) I dislike how much people are now willing to openly call townreads on people. On day fucking 1. WIFOM on WIFOM on WIFOM. It feels so calculated and head-spinning for me.
So those are both things that threw me off in Inception as well and I'm already chewing through here. It feels even more heightened in this game because I didn't replace in just to immediately get killed.
And town reads are just negative scum reads. The town is a team and we should function as such. The most effective way to do that is to be an open and responsive in the thread. This means expressing town reads when they come up. If anyone is wrong about anything, we’ll work through it.
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Chaos definitely helps town more than it helps mafia.
- Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:33 am
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Chaos is unstable. It can’t be planned for or calculated. It forces people to react in immediate ways with pressure in them. In such situations, a member of the mafia team is more likely to slip up than in a situation that they can control or anticipate.
Part of it is also about trusting your fellow civilians, which is also a big part of the philosophy behind declaring town reads.
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:32 am Reads lists on the other hand are bad and should be outlawed.
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Town read on Boo, btw.
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Trust others, but don’t trust yourself to be right about them and you’ll be golden.
- Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:19 pm
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I have a busy afternoon today. I expect to be around for the deadline, but I’ll be mostly uninformed at that stage. I’ll do my best to make things happen, but don’t expect much from me until then.
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Yes. That doesn’t mean this post could not have come across as uncomfortable and forced.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:59 amEver heard of ice breakersSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 11:02 pmA few of DDL’s posts bugged me while I was skimming earlier. His entrance was the first of them. Concerns about flavor knowledge interfering with one’s involvement in the game are almost always unfounded. I don’t believe in the authenticity of this question as an introductory post. It looks awkward.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 8:46 am I've never watched The Wire. Is there anything I need to know?
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:59 pmI don't know these names please tell me more about them
Spoiler: show
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You can tell I’m on my phone because of the typos!
- Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:34 pm
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I feel like there is more to speedchuck’s read than that. He seems to be beefing with the particular language of rej’s post, arguing that it lacks direction rather than simply being non-committal. Is there anything else?
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Rambling = working through ideas publicly and verbally to move toward a conclusion.nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:36 pmBut like what's wrong with lacking direction? Are players not allowed to ramble/post stream of consciousness thoughts?
Lacking direction = vomiting words for the sake of saying something
I am not saying that I agree or disagree with anything speedchuck is saying about Rej. I’m just saying I don’t think you’re characterizing his read accurately.
- Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:47 pm
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Now you're talking my language.
- Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:52 pm
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I am varying degrees of here from now until the deadline and I will not be actively catching up.
Dom has a lead in the poll. Why is that?
The only other player with multiples is DDL, and I am one of those. My vote is not super informed. We've got a hundred people with single votes. Let's get crazy over the next few hours.
@everyone which players would you feel most comfortable lynching right now?
Dom has a lead in the poll. Why is that?
The only other player with multiples is DDL, and I am one of those. My vote is not super informed. We've got a hundred people with single votes. Let's get crazy over the next few hours.
@everyone which players would you feel most comfortable lynching right now?
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The bulk of Dom's focus has been on Jack and nutella so far. His vote is currently on Jack. This poked piqued my interest:
Are there any other names you'd like to talk about, Dom?
Does the combination of Gambler's Fallacy, Appeal to Emotion, Assumptions of Chronology, and Bullshit indicate that nutella is bad in this instance? Could you more directly articulate why Jack is full of poop?Dom wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 10:02 pmWARNING! This post contains:nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:35 pmBro I have the second most posts in the game and most of them are content. I've definitely given more reads than you have. You haven't even explained your vote for me lol.
Usually when you go after me like this you're town... but I thought something had changed the last couple times we were town together, and then last game we were scum buddies so you saw my shitty scum game up close. So you should know better by now. Find another way to stir things up, maybe talk about someone other than me for once.
--Gambler's Fallacy
--Appeal to Emotion
--Assumption of The Future Being Like the Past
--Bullshit
@nutella is @Jackofhearts2005 full of shit?
Are there any other names you'd like to talk about, Dom?
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So why are people voting for Dom?
Yes, underwhelming. This post contains a scum read on dunya, no direct read on Dom, and a vote for Dom. Why not vote for dunya, nanook?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:03 pm [VOTE: Dom] aubergine
Dunya is scum voting for DDL so DDL is probably town and DDL is voting for Dom so I will too.
Yep, that is exactly the level of effort you're getting out of me right now. Pretty underwhelming isn't it?
Two birds with one stone. DDL is voting for Dom based off of LC's case here. I don't disagree with LC's characterization Dom's posts. His (Dom's) level of critical engagement has been a little less than I'm used to seeing. I don't find that in itself to be a particularly inspiring case, but it's worth exploring. I am more wary of DDL's hopping on here, but at least he's transparent about it.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:17 pmHmmLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:53 am Took a look at Dom's ISO. It's not that long of a read. It consists of him asking superbasic questions ("And what does asking superbasic questions mean to you?") and telling people they're full of shit. No follow-up detected, so the questions appear to be designed to look probing, but it falls very flat every time. What that means to me is that Dom wishes to look aggressive toward Jack and nutella, and to seem game-solvey with the questions, but isn't putting any real heart into them. Questions without purpose are filler, and filler is a scum tell.
[VOTE: Dom] aubergine
I think I wanna sheep on this.
[VOTE: Dom] aubergine
You are right 90% of Dom's activity is crap but he does have a case on nutella based on things that make sense.
Then again the case isn't even close to being hard for a mafioso to make. Like "wah wah nutella is not fencesitting she always does that" is pretty basic.
I don't know what this post means.
Jack antagonizes Dom early. Okay.
Dom asks Jack about said antagonism. Jack farts in response.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:11 pmCause you’re doing a thing and maybe that’ll help me figure out both of you. Idk. It’s not all that interesting
Nothing. My interest doesn’t effect other players’ alignments.
I mean, literally, kinda.
Love is in the air.
Okay. [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] would you be comfortable with your vote on Dom if the day was ending right now?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:18 pmMostly to see what happens but I kinda dig LC's case.
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Do you make anything of Dom's focus being mostly centered around Jack and nutella?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:10 pmIn this game, the bulk of his posts are about calling things bullshit and firing off mirroring questions with no evidence of caring about the answers. In Girl Genius, he was more interactive, gave reads, agreed or disagreed with people, and said things like "It matters that you have avoided answering direct questions."
Did anyone avoid answering his direct questions in this game? Can you tell if he even cares?
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I just noticed that Dragomir has two votes as well, tucked away down there at the bottom.
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We've got two hours left and no clear frontrunner. Why give up on the case that easily? Talk to me about dunya.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:16 pmI was voting for Dunya, but we're at the point where voting for someone by myself is functionally the same as not voting, which is heresy.Yes, underwhelming. This post contains a scum read on dunya, no direct read on Dom, and a vote for Dom. Why not vote for dunya, nanook?
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That is not how I read the exchange between you and dunya at all.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:40 pm I guess I should probably have a vote down (oh timers how I miss ye), so I'm putting it on dunya for shading good and accurate mafia philosophy for no apparent reason.
I guess I should probably put it on mac for distancing purposes but that's OK, we can distance later.
[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine
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How are you approaching this game right now? What is your mindset and strategy?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:24 pmI mean...was it not obvious I manufactured that read wholesale?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:20 pmThat is not how I read the exchange between you and dunya at all.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:40 pm I guess I should probably have a vote down (oh timers how I miss ye), so I'm putting it on dunya for shading good and accurate mafia philosophy for no apparent reason.
I guess I should probably put it on mac for distancing purposes but that's OK, we can distance later.
[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine
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Who else is worth looking at?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:30 pmThat's where I'm at, actually. I'm not super-inspired by the Dom vote either, and I wouldn't be surprised if a Dom lynch ended badly. When I went to compare the two games, I kept an open mind... if I had seen the same Dom, then I would have posted about it. Like I said, I found the differences striking, and it served to solidify my vote more. The scales are unbalanced without Dom here to defend himself, but I'm on the heavy side of the scales.. something else will have to tip the balance enough to chanfge my vote, if Dom isn't going to bring the weight down.
I have a sexy angleshooting alternate vote in mind, but I won't discuss that openly... I'll just let it inform my vote should the winds blow that way.
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Tell me more.
- Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:41 pm
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How do you achieve the scum killing part?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:40 pmHave fun kill scum ez gameSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:35 pmHow are you approaching this game right now? What is your mindset and strategy?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:24 pmI mean...was it not obvious I manufactured that read wholesale?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:20 pmThat is not how I read the exchange between you and dunya at all.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:40 pm I guess I should probably have a vote down (oh timers how I miss ye), so I'm putting it on dunya for shading good and accurate mafia philosophy for no apparent reason.
I guess I should probably put it on mac for distancing purposes but that's OK, we can distance later.
[VOTE: Dunya] aubergine
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I do not follow the highlighted portion, boo. Are you saying that Dom has specifically been Not Quiet this game? If so, then why does he remain in consideration for a vote?boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:29 pmAh. Tbh, Dom in general reads bad to me. I agree with you about how he comes across in this game, I just don't find the other game to be that different, or his game in general to be that different at the start of the game. It's when he gets quiet though, that I found he tends to actually be bad. And that I don't really see here so I'm undecided on if I want to vote for him. Be helpful if he were around to respond to stuff directly.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:10 pmIn this game, the bulk of his posts are about calling things bullshit and firing off mirroring questions with no evidence of caring about the answers. In Girl Genius, he was more interactive, gave reads, agreed or disagreed with people, and said things like "It matters that you have avoided answering direct questions."
Did anyone avoid answering his direct questions in this game? Can you tell if he even cares?
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I will say this about nanook: I just got done playing a game that he hosted on his homesite (mafia451), and it was a non-minority approach there for players to hold back on sharing lots of reads Day 1. It was a very quick game for me so I did not have time to really wrap my head around what was behind that philosophy, but nanook's general aloofness here is not out of character from what I saw in that game there.
That is not to say I have a read on him one way or another here.
[mention]nutella[/mention] was also in that game and could weigh in if she wants.
That is not to say I have a read on him one way or another here.
[mention]nutella[/mention] was also in that game and could weigh in if she wants.
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How long ago did you form this meta read on him?boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:48 pmSorry. To clarify, I mean when Dom is very quiet (by which I mean, barely posting. Will come in to vote and call it, and that's pretty much the extent), is when I've found he's pretty much always actually mafia. The rest of the time... if he's around and posting anything substantive, it almost always makes me want to lynch him early on.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:43 pmI do not follow the highlighted portion, boo. Are you saying that Dom has specifically been Not Quiet this game? If so, then why does he remain in consideration for a vote?boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:29 pmAh. Tbh, Dom in general reads bad to me. I agree with you about how he comes across in this game, I just don't find the other game to be that different, or his game in general to be that different at the start of the game. It's when he gets quiet though, that I found he tends to actually be bad. And that I don't really see here so I'm undecided on if I want to vote for him. Be helpful if he were around to respond to stuff directly.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:10 pmIn this game, the bulk of his posts are about calling things bullshit and firing off mirroring questions with no evidence of caring about the answers. In Girl Genius, he was more interactive, gave reads, agreed or disagreed with people, and said things like "It matters that you have avoided answering direct questions."
Did anyone avoid answering his direct questions in this game? Can you tell if he even cares?
So the reasons I'm seeing so far for voting for him just aren't enough to make me do that, because it does just seem like normal Dom to me. I think I understand why LC disagrees, but I also refuse to trust LC on principle, he's far to tricky for that to ever be a smartplay.
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[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] what do you have to say in response to these Good Words from sig?
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there are two users whose names start with NAN on here and they're both all-caps.
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Where could I find a nice succinct description of the Drago and Rej wagons?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:47 pmI don't mind the Rej and Drago wagons too much. I haven't yet looked at DDL to see if he's been as insincere as some say... which I think is the main reason he has votes?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:40 pmWho else is worth looking at?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:30 pmThat's where I'm at, actually. I'm not super-inspired by the Dom vote either, and I wouldn't be surprised if a Dom lynch ended badly. When I went to compare the two games, I kept an open mind... if I had seen the same Dom, then I would have posted about it. Like I said, I found the differences striking, and it served to solidify my vote more. The scales are unbalanced without Dom here to defend himself, but I'm on the heavy side of the scales.. something else will have to tip the balance enough to chanfge my vote, if Dom isn't going to bring the weight down.
I have a sexy angleshooting alternate vote in mind, but I won't discuss that openly... I'll just let it inform my vote should the winds blow that way.
I am half of the DDL wagon so far and I've read about 25% of this thread.
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[VOTE:
boo] aubergine because I want him to take firm stance on something in this game. Go go go.
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What do you think of sig?NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:04 pmI encouraged him to pursue it IIRC
What do you think of boo?
We're focusing on 3-letter names right now.
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Well I am Jay now, so I can't exactly say I agree with this theory.boo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:07 pmboo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:58 pmSo, other than:ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:01 pmJay, in part to put him out of his miseryMacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:40 pm Sadly few people making their themselves apparent. We won't win with townies not towning.
Everyone reply to this question please.
If you had a vig to use right now who do you use it on and why?
From JJJ, he didn't say much about being needed to be put out of his misery.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:46 am gonna be useless for a while, gang. I said as much, but there's no way for me to be doing this right now.
And Colin doesn't strike me as someone who pays exceptionally close attention to the thread as a whole, so that he references that (and even answers the question) seems like it has a decent possibility of being prompted by BTSC.
I'm gonna [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine.
- Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:10 pm
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- Topic: The Wire Mafia [END]
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Re: The Wire Mafia
Nanook really is the non-doctor version of Wilgy.
- Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:11 pm
- Forum: Previous Jobs
- Topic: The Wire Mafia [END]
- Replies: 3057
- Views: 57509
Re: The Wire Mafia
of all the people I've engaged with in the last hour or so since i've been in here, Long Con is the voice I trust the most.