The Syndicate

Hey all, just found out this game started. Just wanted to say hello before I go back and start catching up. Sorry I missed the start, I’ve had a rough week and honestly Thursday is my busiest day, so bear with me.

I had multiquoted things that stood out to me as I was going and then my browser signed me out, so that’s annoying. I’m at work so I’m just going to try and recall as best I can atm.

1. I like the look of Jack atm. His vote for me, and subsequent move to someone else inactive is a method I approve of. This early in the game is the best time to vote for an inactive unless you have a solid reason to suspect someone else. I also felt like a jokey exchange between he and a Mac earlier made me feel like they are either civ/wolf or civ/civ combo. I’m leaning civ on both but more strongly feel civ vibes from Jack.

2. This might sound a little weird after #1, but I didn’t like the lengths sig went to explain that he wouldn’t normally vote an inactive but this time... etc. It felt a little like he was covering his ass before a controversial vote. Over explanation, if you will.

3. Soneji’s comment about sloonei’s “why does this exist” post felt kind of off to me. He called it clarifying, it didn’t feel like clarifying to me. It felt like an accusation. Also the rest of his post felt like a lot of questions that can make it appear like he’s doing more hunting than he actually was. Feeling a little bad about him, and possible he is covering for Sloonei?

Just a caveat, I was reading the thread at work, there is the chance I mixed up what was from which poster. I can’t look now because I’m headed to lunch and I’ve got a thing over my lunch. Those are my thoughts at the moment. I’ll vote after work.

What does hard TR mean?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 1:53 pm Voting for an inactive player at this stage in this game would be like throwing darts at a board while blindfolded and drunk.

Inactive players lose civs the game at the end, better to deal with them at the start if you don't have something better to go on. That is my opinion, has been for ages and will continue to be. Now I'm off to run a Star Trek rpg over my lunch and then rush back to work. I'll probably be too busy until work gets out at 6 my time to check back before then.

Gotcha. Have we played together before Nanook? So many new faces, this is what happens when you take a year off, lol.

[mention]motobot[/mention] [mention]MacDougall[/mention] You guys are making some certain sounding reads here, can you tell me why?

Good lord, four pages at the eod? I’m going with my gut based on my earlier reads. What’s the story with the LC wagon? Did I miss something or is it in these last four pages?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:53 pm
Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:52 pm Ugh, my comment ate itself. Gonna try posting this again.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:11 pm The next step is developing reads. So let's do that, myo! Who stands out to you so far, one way or the otehr?
I get good vibes from MacDougall. He talks a lot and it’s jokey and chaotic while still being *mostly* on topic. Chatter generates more chatter and a talkative town certainly has more momentum behind them, so I like that he’s been consistently active in the earliest phases.

The more talkative someone it, the easier it is to get a good feel of their affiliation so this kind of play-style is riskier for a wolf to take on without really getting the benefit of derailing the town, since he’s been mostly on topic.

I like the rapid-fire comments because it seems like he’s saying what’s on his mind here and now without bothering to think though how other people are going to read his comments.

Some of his comment come across as deliberately trying to get under people’s skin? I don’t love the tone of all of them but riling people up to see their reactions isn’t a bad way to get a feel for alignments, although a bit mean IMO.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:52 pm Good lord, four pages at the eod? I’m going with my gut based on my earlier reads. What’s the story with the LC wagon? Did I miss something or is it in these last four pages?

Yall missed the deadline fam.

I showed having two minutes to vote still and believed I cast a vote, did it not go through??

Ok, just got to the result and flip. I have no idea how it landed on Jack, I never would have voted him because I didn’t suspect him like at all.

I still stand by the idea that I don’t think Jack/Mac interactions sounded w/w. So I’ll put my vote for who gets scrap on Mac.

Re: my vote for Soneji being “icky” [mention]sig[/mention] or the idea that somehow I was jumping on some easy bandwagon [mention]Sloonei[/mention]. I suspected a Soneji before I recall hearing others suspecting him. It’s based on my own reasoning. Specifically he was asking people a lot of probing questions about their thoughts without actually giving his own at the time. Think it’s icky or easy all you like, it’s just the way it is.

I’m only on page 13 right now, but I will say these few things.

Civs can misread people and get things wrong and look bad, but still be civs. I am.

I came in and saw I only had a few minutes to vote so I went with my gut and voted Soneji, without even knowing a Jack was on the block. But I wouldn’t have voted Jack anyway even if I knew because I incorrectly believed him to be civ. I would not have so blatantly called my teammate civ like that if I were bad. I’m not bad.

I feel pretty sure you all are going to lynch me today anyway and I will guarantee the civs will regret it. I appreciate logical analysis but I hope you all can leave room for some gut instinct too because logic alone will probably put me in the bad seat for good reasons. But logic is going to mislead you this time.

Now I’m going to continue my catch up.

Yeah not a lot worth commenting on. Not bad but I fully expect you guys are going to roll with this easy lynch. Whatever man, bring it on, eliminate me and hopefully move on to lore fruitful topics.

Ftr I still really don’t trust Soneji.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 4:23 pm She came in with the “hello fellow villagers, what’s up with this person’s wagon that is the counter wagon to the flipped mafia and how can i get on it?” post. If she doesn’t contribute further than that, I just can’t overlook it. Sorry.

I did not ever say I wanted on it. I came in and asked about it because I hadn’t seen anything that I could recall up to where I had read in the thread. I didn’t understand.

Bad look misrepresenting me tedxtr. Don’t care for that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 7:48 am Required exercise for all players

I can't count on running live gun-to-head reads with a small and relatively inactive group. So instead we're going to do them as a take-home exam. Please quote or copy/paste the following player list and indicate for me what your most instinctive read is on that player.

You may not say "null" or "neutral" or "I don't know" or any such thing. You must say either "good" or "bad", or some other equivalent terms e.g. "civilian" or "mafia". Anyone who does not take part in this exercise will be regarded as the enemy.

ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay - Good
JiwonMeganPark - Good
Long Con - Bad
MacDougall - Good
motobot - Good
Myo - Good
nutella - Good
sig - Bad
Sloonei - Good
Soneji - Bad
Spacedaisy - Good
tedxtr - Bad

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 3:26 pm did everyone forget about this game or something

I am trying to catch up on homework, had to drive my sister to DFW this morning, and major American cities are burning. There is a lot going on.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 4:46 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:52 pm Good lord, four pages at the eod? I’m going with my gut based on my earlier reads. What’s the story with the LC wagon? Did I miss something or is it in these last four pages?
If I'm picking out one moment from Daisy's ISO that doesn't sit well with me, it's this. I color coded the three separate ideas conveyed in this near-deadline post.

Green - I'm not sure what precisely Daisy means when she says "Dear God", but the implication seems to be that there's four pages of content she has not read. This leads into...
Blue - She will need to resort to a vote based on previously-formed reads. I do not object on principle. With so little time, she can't possibly be expected to take in everything that's happened in her absence. But...
Orange - We have established that Daisy is voting for her pre-existing suspect (Soneji) and won't/can't take in the previous four pages of the thread in time for it to impact her decision. Her vote has been cast, and the tone of the Blue sentence makes it seem final, set in stone. But then she tacks on a question about one of the competing wagons, as though she has interest in it enough to merit a vote change. But Blue and Orange don't mesh. Green and Blue do, and then Orange feels tacked on out of obligation. "I am supposed to be interested in this case, so I will ask."

Things were pretty hectic at this time, so it's understandable if she didn't see that Jack was starting to receive votes too. She commented after the fact to say she "never would have voted him". And I note no further interest in LC. In fact, all three of her Day 2 posts are exclusively focused on self-defense with the brief exception of some shade directed at ted for his suspicion against her. I do not struggle to read her deadline post as that of a mafioso who showed up at the end of what seemed to be a safe lynch, so she just went through the motions and checked off the boxes which required checking. Her follow-ups on Night 1/Day 2 do not reflect an earnest interest in solving the game. I understand that it can be frustrating and overwhelming to become Suspect #1 overnight like she has, but self-defense can't accomplish anything if you're not also trying to help us find another target for suspicion. So @Spacedaisy if you want us to vote for somebody else today, help us figure out who that should be.
Might be worth noting that that post was made a minute after the poll had already closed. So I assume she quickly voted Soneji, then made that post. Which kinda makes the LC question even weirder, since I assume since she voted first she realized the deadline was up anyway.

Since when is it so fucking weird for a civilian to try to understand why a wagon had formed that they hadn't expected? When I cast a vote, only a minute or two before the EoD, LC was the leading candidate. I wanted someone to give me a simple concise answer so I could understand what I had missed.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 5:06 pm Also the timing of daisy's vote/post makes it a bit strange that she questioned the LC wagon but not the quick move onto Jack-- though to be fair it did happen quite fast at the very end so it's possible she had voted and looked at the poll when LC was still ahead and while she was writing the post the cfd happened. Awkward though in any case.

[VOTE: spacedaisy] aubergine

I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THE WAGON ONTO JACK. I didn't know he got lynched until later, I can't ask about something that I didn't know about.

I will be lynched today, I've known that from the start of the night. What I did not say during the night was that you need to watch the people who are backing off me now. The ones who are soft pedaling my lynch and letting others go after me hard. They don't really want to save me, so they'll go along with the lynch, but they are distancing themselves from leading it because they know I am about to flip civilian.

I feel pretty certain Mac, Nutella, Sloonei and Jay are civ.

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:22 pm Havent read anything since last posts in the middle of some stuff

I'll try to read up before deadline but throwing. a vote on daisy only since I want the scraps and bet lynch seems inevitable

This right here is exactly what I mean. This is a baddie.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 2:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 12:45 pm [VOTE: jiwon] aubergine

We don’t need to all park our votes on daisy
Daisy does seem honest, and the case against her isn't exactly cut-and-dry. I had a look at Jiwon's ISO, and it doesn't contain a lot beyond deciding to sheep Mac, and a suspicion of tedxtr that I have to go back and investigate.

For the real feelings I got while reading it... it's like this:

Spoiler: show
JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 2:36 pm Why don't we all claim our ships?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:28 pm I don't understand, how do we lose scraps? By voting anyone to execute? Do we execute by the poll on the thread?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:30 pmWhy did you think I am mafia :<

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:31 pm You have to have the vote at the end of the day or everytime you get a vote you lose scrap..?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:33 pmDid I gain scrap for voting ted talk at the beginning?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 2:35 pmWho is long con?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:03 pmI thought votes were done on poll, why do people vote on thread too?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:12 pmWhat happens if mafia kills the person we give scraps?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 3:20 pmWho switched when?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 4:59 amWhy votes have small aubergine after them?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Sat May 30, 2020 10:51 amIf I was mafia why would I kill Nanook though~?

Anyway, [VOTE: Jiwon] aubergine

This as well.

Alright, Jay, I can easily vote either LC or sig today. I feel confident they are bad.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

What guy, Long Con or Jay? Long Con is bad. Jay is good.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:00 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 8:58 pm What guy, Long Con or Jay? Long Con is bad. Jay is good.
Why is Jay good?

That is what my gut tells me.

Ever think maybe he saw what I was saying and recognized a civ move? Why would he do what I said was a baddie move after I said it? It would be stupid, and Jay is not stupid.

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:11 pm So I was just sleeping but afyer reading everything I like this wagon more so then lc

I never was for LC and this last minute push away form daisy onto either me or LC doesn't seem genuine seems like an attempt to save a teammate

Or he's your teammate.

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:12 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:11 pm So I was just sleeping but afyer reading everything I like this wagon more so then lc

I never was for LC and this last minute push away form daisy onto either me or LC doesn't seem genuine seems like an attempt to save a teammate
This is so fake. We just did this on Day 1 and killed a mafioso.
I'm very hesitant to back a CFD, always am they frequently aren't right and lynch civs and are a tool for mafia.

Furthermore this one is just throwing names out, seems disjointed and panicky.

Paired with the fact both you and daisy almost jumped at me at same time makes me think you could be teammates honestly.

I also don't like her vague hints we shouldnt lynch her.

I'm not disjointed and panicky at all. I have remained intentionally quiet in order to see how people were going to handle my lynch. You and LC are the ones who seemed most to exhibit exactly what I expected to see in a baddie. It is because of that reason I would rather see one of you lynched. But if I die, then it will be revealed I'm civ and they can lynch the two of you next.

Jay, are we voting sig or LC? Because right now, back and forth will probably end up with neither lynched.

The spread on this vote is insane

Linki [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention] I don't have a preference. I feel pretty certain they're both bad

It's alright, Jay. If it will convince Mac, let me be lynched and he will see.

Lynch him tomorrow. Or sig. Either one will probably net you a baddie.

Even baddies have lives Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:29 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 9:29 pm It's alright, Jay. If it will convince Mac, let me be lynched and he will see.

Lynch him tomorrow. Or sig. Either one will probably net you a baddie.
Lynch me?

I was unclear. I don't want to lynch you. You are civ imo. LC is who I meant by "him"

He's wrong. But you've got a lot to go off of for tomorrow. Good luck civs.

Sorry I didn't play a better game.

Lynch sig and LC once I'm dead.

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