The Syndicate

Ok, so I read everything. I voted east because I wanted to and am satisfied to see it winning.

That was a lot of pages of discussing Snow Dog's statement about not reading his role card. I thought not reading one's role card would be a foolish personal decision but it wouldn't be a scum tell in my mind. And I didn't find anything particularly useful in the back and forth to help identify any scum either, it seemed a lot more about playstyle influenced conversation than anyone trying to manipulate anything. I think the people who we should look at are probably the people who were reading it and not commenting or committing to any stance. They are the ones much more likely to be scum, because scum love letting civs go after each other over stupid playstyle arguments, it saves them a lot of work.

Just my two cents. Going to work now. Third shift, fun fun fun...

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, so I read everything. I voted east because I wanted to and am satisfied to see it winning.

That was a lot of pages of discussing Snow Dog's statement about not reading his role card. I thought not reading one's role card would be a foolish personal decision but it wouldn't be a scum tell in my mind. And I didn't find anything particularly useful in the back and forth to help identify any scum either, it seemed a lot more about playstyle influenced conversation than anyone trying to manipulate anything. I think the people who we should look at are probably the people who were reading it and not commenting or committing to any stance. They are the ones much more likely to be scum, because scum love letting civs go after each other over stupid playstyle arguments, it saves them a lot of work.

Just my two cents. Going to work now. Third shift, fun fun fun...

Spacedaisy's point of view here mirrors my own.

So, who are those people? One counterpoint I would make is that it was just Day 0, so it's not as strong a viewpoint as it would be were it a later, meatier game day.

I disagree. It is the best time to sit back, because it's the most easily excusable. "Well it was only Day 0, can't have any real suspicion or stance on Day 0. Day 0 is when the baddies are really sitting back, the civs usually lynch a civ with very little help from the baddies, and the baddies can get a feel for how to best direct the thread, who will be a threat, who will help keep attention off of them and so forth.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
As for Eloh, she doesn't know why a vanilla civilian would lie about having a power role.

Last time I checked she had the highest number of baddies wins in this site. Only tied with her husband and their pet marmot.

That changed with the end of Lost Again. Epi and I won, now I am tied with Elo and MM and Epi is leading the FEB list by 1 Baddie win.

Sorsha wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, so I read everything. I voted east because I wanted to and am satisfied to see it winning.

That was a lot of pages of discussing Snow Dog's statement about not reading his role card. I thought not reading one's role card would be a foolish personal decision but it wouldn't be a scum tell in my mind. And I didn't find anything particularly useful in the back and forth to help identify any scum either, it seemed a lot more about playstyle influenced conversation than anyone trying to manipulate anything. I think the people who we should look at are probably the people who were reading it and not commenting or committing to any stance. They are the ones much more likely to be scum, because scum love letting civs go after each other over stupid playstyle arguments, it saves them a lot of work.

Just my two cents. Going to work now. Third shift, fun fun fun...

Spacedaisy's point of view here mirrors my own.

I agree that this would be a good point to look at- those who were reading and not commenting- but how do you tell who exactly was reading and not commenting? Maybe posting in the thread with no comment on the subject is what you mean? I'm curious myself as to who that would be and I'll look into it later when I've got the time. I'm off to work in a few minutes.

That is exactly what I meant, yes.

Golden wrote:SD = snow dog = he?
SD = Spacedaisy = she?

Lets try to avoid using SD! So confusing.

^This! One thing I have had to adjust to here is that Snow Dog is SD (I used to be called SD on LP, TP even Rev) so it throws me off in a major way, lol. I think people call me Daisy more often here on The Syndicate though. Let's stick to calling me Daisy please, for clarity.

Nachomamma8 wrote:I hope that Epi's scum game is half as good as he says it is!!

He is our site's top FEB for a reason.

Long Con wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Unfinished business:

Glorfindel wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'll be defending Glorfindel too unless I catch him unwilling to lie about something.

I'm sorry, my dear friend... I'm probably a little slow at the moment (in the frantic lead up to the holiday season) but could you please explain for me what you meant by your remark above? I assure you that I've taken no offence at it and I trust you will take none for me asking - I just want to be certain I understood what you meant

You know, it is a weird damn thing to say. Didn't realize it fully until now.

Hope you are willing to lie about something, Glor!

Not so weird when you know the history there. Glorf is genuinely one of the nicest guys on this site, and he is very honest, it's part of who he is and I respect it greatly. But it has gotten him in trouble because he won't lie even as bad. At least that's how I understand it. I don't find Zebra's comment weird at all knowing that history.

Glorfindel wrote:Aaahh, welcome back my friends to the 'Glorfindel Hour'

I've read the recent posts in this game and refuse any longer to be exploited as a potential distraction any further this game by certain players for their own ends. I will deal with this matter right here, right now!

By way of background (for those of you who were not involved) in my last game here (Mad Max) I was asked by Jay to directly and explicitly respond to a series of questions that he put to me that amounted to a declaration of my alignment in that game. His questions were prompted by statements that I'd made in previous games to the effect that I would not lie if asked a direct question as to my alignment in any Mafia game. I have included both his questions and my response to them here for your information.

Spoiler: show

Glorfindel wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Glorfindel, I still need answers to these questions:

1. Are you bad?

2. Are you a member of a team that killed anyone in this group: MovingPictures07, MacDougall, motel room?

I'm going to adjust the first question.

1. Are you a member of the team in this Mafia game called the Skags?

Please still answer both.

Thank you Jay for your patience in awaiting my reply to your questions. I now ask your indulgence one more time - to grant me the courtesy of reading my response carefully and thoughtfully before jumping to any conclusions. I thank you sincerely in advance for your courtesy in this regard.

It's been six days and nights now and things look grim for us and it's in this context that you ask me these questions. Though you may deny it, the truth is that these questions are NOT about my role in this game, they speak directly and unequivocally to my personal character.

In posts I've made in earlier games on this site (and others) I have (somewhat naively) traded on my personal integrity and honesty in never having lied about my alignment in any Mafia game I've ever played. My protestations however have been to no avail and have gone almost completely unheeded. And now, as this game draws to a bitter end, you (someone whose respect I genuinely cherish) come to me asking me to confirm my alignment.

If I recall correctly, my approach (as referred to above) was a topic of discussion between the two of us and Epi in the Town BTSC Chat last game (The Garden of Peaches). In our conversation, you or Epi (I can't recall now who) asked me to consider what that might mean in future games I play for the other members of a non-Town team (and specifically Mafia teams I suppose) of which I may find myself a part. The two of you challenged me to consider the price of my approach with respect to the enjoyment of others who play these games and whose experience of them may be seriously diminished by the selfishness of my approach. I did consider your points carefully and find myself left in a dilemma in respect of my playing Mafia games in the future.

It is for this reason, that I am not going to avoid or dance around your questions. I simply categorically refuse to answer them because to do so, would continue to perpetuate what I now fear is a bad approach to these games on my behalf. When I say that I refuse to answer them, let me be absolutely explicit here, I mean not now and not ever again. I trust you will understand what I've tried to explain here in all sincerity. I accept that some more cynical minds will question why I've taken this stance right now, in this game and whether it wouldn't be easier for me to simply answer your questions and adopt my new approach next game. To me, this is a moral question. If I am unable to stand by my principles in a time when (it appears) it counts the most, then when can I?

As for this game, I'd ask you, my friend to apply the same measure to me that you would to everyone else. Consider my actions and my comments throughout this game and if you find them wanting, then by all means, you should vote for me. If however you find they are reasonable under what you believe to have been my circumstances and ability, then you should look elsewhere.

Whilst (as I indicated in the post above) my decision to adopt this approach was made independent of my alignment in that game, I'm pretty sure only Jay actually understood what I meant there and every other player interpreted my response as simply a feeble and expedient means of dodging Jay's questions for that game.

As I said in the coloured section of that post, I will no longer declare my alignment in any game I play on this site irrespective of my alignment then, now or in the future. Let me be crystal clear about this - if you are uncomfortable with me taking this approach or unwilling to accept my adopting it, then you should vote to remove me from this game, AND the next game AND the one after that because this is a matter of deeply held principle to me upon which I will not compromise.

You do you Glorf! I won't be asking you to do something that betrays a deeply held principle.

Dom wrote:I don't see the merit in the discussion.

I agree. It is clearly something that is important Glorfindel and we pride ourselves in not attacking people on a personal level. This is not a matter of baddie hunting, but questioning the principles that is important to him. We may not understand or agree, but I don't think it needs to be a discussion or debate.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I've been driving and posting illegally all day, but I'll be at a computer soon.

Linki: who makes a batch of one cookie?

HOLDEN! Don't mafia and drive! The game is not worth your life or that of anyone else on the road...

Working on that now Sorsh.

Glorf, were you part of the Monkey Island game in which the not reading the role card thing originated?

Linki: Geez y'all give me a bit here to evaluate. I'm going to be questioning a few people here having to do with this. Everyone's in such a rush.

sprityo, same question sir. Were you in Monkey Island?

Linki @ Golden We haven't played together in a while I think...

Quin, you did not respond at all to Snow Dog's initial comment, you were present made some other jokey posts at the time, but no response at all to his original post. Then when he came back and said what he was doing, you quickly chimed in and said you thought that was what he was doing. Why no response to it immediately?

Golden, you had a similar thing, explained away Snow Dog's post after he had already explained what he was doing in that post. Any reason you felt the need?

As of right now, my vote will not be going to JoH, Soneji, DDL, LC, or Zebra.

I can't say who might have been lurking without posting at all, but the people who posted without commenting on any of the various playstyle arguments that were going on hot and heavy during Day 0. But I can say that Quin posted without participating, as did Glorf and sprityo.

And a quick glance to confirm this but I believe MM as well.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm sorry to the host and you all; I just do not have any time for this game until I'm back in San Antonio. I don't want to replace out though because that will be Saturday.
Voting myself for now because I don't want to be punished for missing it and I have not read anything.

I'll forgive you once you eat a hat.

I'm still trying to think of a way to make that a reality... lol

I will also not be voting Nacho, btw, or Snow Dog.

Leaning giving my vote to MM at the moment. Not sure yet though.

Quin wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, you did not respond at all to Snow Dog's initial comment, you were present made some other jokey posts at the time, but no response at all to his original post. Then when he came back and said what he was doing, you quickly chimed in and said you thought that was what he was doing. Why no response to it immediately?

Golden, you had a similar thing, explained away Snow Dog's post after he had already explained what he was doing in that post. Any reason you felt the need?

I didn't respond to Snow Dog initially because I didn't think that his joke was worth the discussion. I didn't anticipate that it'd become such a hot topic. I was posting in catch-up when I put in my two cents, so I didn't know that he'd said anything about it since until I was practically finished.

Spacedaisy wrote:As of right now, my vote will not be going to JoH, Soneji, DDL, LC, or Zebra.

I can't say who might have been lurking without posting at all, but the people who posted without commenting on any of the various playstyle arguments that were going on hot and heavy during Day 0. But I can say that Quin posted without participating, as did Glorf and sprityo.

This isn't true. I gave my input on both Luffy and zebra. And even then, I don't know why involvement in arguments about playstyles are a point of parity.

I'll look back to see if I mischaracterized your behavior during that particular period of time. And your answer is actually exactly the one I was looking for. When I read the initial reaction I had a knee jerk bad feeling about you surrounding it, but when I looked back at it I realized you had only a brief time in thread after Snow Dog's joke and then you came back right after he cleared it up.

It's a point to me because my interest is in who was there during these intense exchanges, but did not engage in it at the time. I think baddies are more likely to lay low, especially on Day 0/1 and I am looking to cast my vote on one of these type players. Someone who is here but not fully engaging. Don't get your panties in a bunch, friend. I questioned you because I felt like you were someone who it applied to even though I didn't feel like you were a real suspect. I wanted to see how you answered just the same.

Ok, I checked back and I think you misunderstood what I was doing. I specifically was looking at the period of time between when Snow Dog made the initial joke and then when he clarified. I was looking at the conversation in that time. I think that once Snow Dog clarifies it, from that point forward anything said can pretty much be dismissed. It's easy for baddies to jump in and just say, oh yeah that's what I thought he was doing. Yes you did engage in the conversation afterwards, specifically about DDL and his part in the suspicion cast around about Snow Dog as a result of his joke. But this was outside the time frame I was specifically looking at which is why I included you. Again though, I think you were mostly missing during the most intense of it so I don't really consider you someone I would vote for.

Golden wrote:OK, I have to vote.

Soneji for me. I wanted him to come back and talk, but he didn't really (although his defence was fair, just brief). He feels more aloof than I'm used to.

My analysis of his posts didn't make me feel any better.

Soneji is usually more aloof, especially in early game. He does better engaging in end game. I don't see anything out of the ordinary for him here.

Quin wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

Quin wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Quin, you did not respond at all to Snow Dog's initial comment, you were present made some other jokey posts at the time, but no response at all to his original post. Then when he came back and said what he was doing, you quickly chimed in and said you thought that was what he was doing. Why no response to it immediately?

Golden, you had a similar thing, explained away Snow Dog's post after he had already explained what he was doing in that post. Any reason you felt the need?

I didn't respond to Snow Dog initially because I didn't think that his joke was worth the discussion. I didn't anticipate that it'd become such a hot topic. I was posting in catch-up when I put in my two cents, so I didn't know that he'd said anything about it since until I was practically finished.

Spacedaisy wrote:As of right now, my vote will not be going to JoH, Soneji, DDL, LC, or Zebra.

I can't say who might have been lurking without posting at all, but the people who posted without commenting on any of the various playstyle arguments that were going on hot and heavy during Day 0. But I can say that Quin posted without participating, as did Glorf and sprityo.

This isn't true. I gave my input on both Luffy and zebra. And even then, I don't know why involvement in arguments about playstyles are a point of parity.

I'll look back to see if I mischaracterized your behavior during that particular period of time. And your answer is actually exactly the one I was looking for. When I read the initial reaction I had a knee jerk bad feeling about you surrounding it, but when I looked back at it I realized you had only a brief time in thread after Snow Dog's joke and then you came back right after he cleared it up.

It's a point to me because my interest is in who was there during these intense exchanges, but did not engage in it at the time. I think baddies are more likely to lay low, especially on Day 0/1 and I am looking to cast my vote on one of these type players. Someone who is here but not fully engaging. Don't get your panties in a bunch, friend. I questioned you because I felt like you were someone who it applied to even though I didn't feel like you were a real suspect. I wanted to see how you answered just the same.

Ok, I checked back and I think you misunderstood what I was doing. I specifically was looking at the period of time between when Snow Dog made the initial joke and then when he clarified. I was looking at the conversation in that time. I think that once Snow Dog clarifies it, from that point forward anything said can pretty much be dismissed. It's easy for baddies to jump in and just say, oh yeah that's what I thought he was doing. Yes you did engage in the conversation afterwards, specifically about DDL and his part in the suspicion cast around about Snow Dog as a result of his joke. But this was outside the time frame I was specifically looking at which is why I included you. Again though, I think you were mostly missing during the most intense of it so I don't really consider you someone I would vote for.

Just going off time stamps so I can satiate your concerns; I wasn't mostly missing, I wasn't there full stop.

When I say point of parity, and I might be misunderstanding you, but your list of who you won't vote seems to be justified based on the fact that they engaged in arguments about playstyles. Can you elaborate more specifically on what exactly is motivating your reads there?

That does satiate my concerns, it illustrates it. I was not worried about people who were absent. I was worried about people who were present without engaging. Going by time stamps alone you fit that but only barely.

Yes I can elaborate. Why would a baddie put them into an intense debate over playstyle that is likely to net them very little profit on Day 0? It seems unlikely in my experience as a baddie that they would. I am not saying I believe them to be civilian. I am saying they would not be my most likely candidate for my Day 1 vote. Don't mistake my saying I am not voting them for me giving them a civilian read. I have no real read on them, I just think it is more likely that the baddies sat back and let these intense dramas ab out playstyle go on without them having to weigh in. Consider it, if you are bad and everyone arguments mafia ideology rather than suspects, why would you want to get into that? You would draw needless attention to yourself. Rather I see many more baddies sit back and let the civs go to town on stupid playstyle debates and eventually vote for each other as a result. Thus I am looking at people who were here without contributing significantly to the conversation, either by weighing in on the discussion (which I really thought was pointless if I am honest) or by saying it is pointless and trying to redirect conversation to who might be a suspect or things that could actually help us to decide who to lynch.

Linki @MM:It is flimsy because I am quite fond of you Marmot! Stop it!
Linki @Quin: I actually cannot remove you from the pool because you fit the profile exactly. But I can say you are the last one I would consider out of the pool.

Linki @LC: It is only because you were very engaged. Frankly I find you most suspicious of the highly engaged people, but I can't adequately justify why.

That was a lot of linki...

Oh also, MM I laughed really hard at your response to my offer of giving you my vote.

EBWOP: My post should have read, "That doesn't satiate my concerns, it illustrates it."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:@SpaceDaisy

In the interest of fairness, I will debate and analyze game theory to the ends of time cause I really like it.

So I'm not a baddie but I'd be doing much of this culture reading/mechanic strategy debate anyhow.

I appreciate your honesty regarding your meta, but it doesn't change my vote strategy for today's lynch. I'm not giving you a civ pass, but I'm not voting you today.

Epignosis wrote:I (for once in my life) believe Spacedaisy is good. If she is bad and fooled me, well good. She did well.

Back at ya Slick. Trust your gut when it comes to your read on me, you have yet to be wrong. I just hope you aren't trying to pocket me here...

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I (for once in my life) believe Spacedaisy is good. If she is bad and fooled me, well good. She did well.

Spoiler: show

His first instinct was that I was bad in that game, he just wasn't as concerned about me because that was not his objective.

Linki @ Scotty: I could get behind a sprityo vote. Or I could stick with an MM vote.

Having just been on a baddie team with Sorsha in Lost Again, I'm not seeing the same thing from her here. I am leaning civ on her at the moment.

Alright, I'm going with my gut and voting MM.

MM: I narrowed my pool of suspects down and then went with my gut. What can I say? Maybe it's because you mafia and drive...

LOL, MM I was only kidding about the mafia and driving thing. That had no bearing.

Well shit. That was bad.

Jack: Could you tell me what you dislike?

Long Con wrote:

Golden wrote:Shitty lynch, but I'll admit I would have voted sprit if I had to choose between the two main wagons. Ddl suspicion be damned, I feel like I'm always on the dude, and sprit fit Daisy's concept well.

Maybe violet can invent a Rez machine.

i made a reads list on 11 people including a full ISO of soneji today and no-one even acknwledged it. Not saying that to be bitchy, but We're going to struggle if we don't engage with each other.

Tee hee Golden posted in the Polls thread!

Interesting. Golden, you're a strong willed/strong minded player, why did you feel the need to reference my "concept" regarding the lynch and then to turn around and complain about people not paying attention to your reads? That just reads all kinds of wrong to me.

Ok, copy that. I follow you now. It felt like you were subtly trying to put responsibility squarely in my shoulders. I misread your intent all around it seems.

@ MM & Jack: mostly gut, but I think it is based on the fact he seemed more present and Posty than say sprityo, but he didn't seem to be contributing much which is dead on what I was looking for. I don't understand what you are saying about qualifying or whatever.

@ Dom: is the SD in your post referring to me or Snow Dog? If me, please call me Daisy for clarity. I am not on a baddie or Indy team, if Sorsha is civ then we are teammates. And I see a drastic difference between her day 1 play in Lost Again and here. Frankly I'm surprised you think otherwise.

sprityo wrote:Yknow what? Scratch that, I'll read through it myself. I'm just upset it was me and there was so many other options

if it's any consolation we couldn't be more sorry...

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Nachomamma8 wrote:I think there are sites where you can just put reverse tags around whatever you're saying and it does that for you; shouldn't be a reason not to contribute!

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Snow Dog wrote:I am SD, daisy is Sd.

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Spacedaisy wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I am SD, daisy is Sd.

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Epi, can I take this to mean you lean civ on LC? Can you give me an idea why because I really want to believe he is, but I'm having a hard time believing it.

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Epi, can I take this to mean you lean civ on LC? Can you give me an idea why because I really want to believe he is, but I'm having a hard time believing it.

What is giving you a hard time?

I couldn't put my finger on it originally, but it's completely a tone thing. His response to weak suspicions read to me like a baddie. If civ I would expect something about wanting to know reasons, maybe a little protesting against a gut suspicion. Instead the response I've seen has been almost like don't make any sudden moves and maybe I'll get through it. I don't know. It's so weak a case, I'm finding myself in this weird place where my gut yells bad, but my brain can't bring myself to vote him because I can't see a good reason to. I'm finding it frustrating.

Argh, this game.

Anyway, I'd appreciate your view on LC, since you are wanting to vote for the people voting him I assume you lean civ and I want to know why. I need some reasons to help me sort this out one way or another.

LC: I want to believe it because I feel like I can't figure out the why of my own suspicion. It is exceedingly frustrating to me.

Yeah sounds nice, but when you're gut only wants to talk about one person, simply choosing someone else is not so easy. Nice avoidance of my question though. Duly noted.

Epignosis wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Yeah sounds nice, but when you're gut only wants to talk about one person, simply choosing someone else is not so easy. Nice avoidance of my question though. Duly noted.

I am rescinding my civilian opinion of you after that.

I didn't avoid your question. I gave you an an answer that will help me develop my opinion on you better, and I'd say it did the trick.

:shrugs: I don't care, you would be wrong about me.

The only other person I would consider voting is MM (again), for the fact he is one of the top five posters and good luck finding some decent content in those posts...

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DDL, No one has been more annoyed with Epi this game than me but I have still been giving him a civ read. Because I know Epi well enough not to base my read upon his irritating game persona. I don't understand it or agree with his choices but I do think he is civ. In fact I think the only person who doesn't is INH.

Also Wilgy just came back and has engaged in the game quite well. If you said this 24 hours ago, or even twelve, I would agree. But not now, this is the most town vibe I've gotten from Wilgy in a while.

Also, I agree regarding sig.

LoRab wrote:

I would like to point out that I would bet that the Lotab kill probably had someone involved in the decision who knew she was in Israel. Most likely a friend of hers, letting her enjoy her trip without worrying about mafia. Why else would a mafia team kill her when she is busy and fairly disengaged from the game?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:

LoRab wrote:

I would like to point out that I would bet that the Lotab kill probably had someone involved in the decision who knew she was in Israel. Most likely a friend of hers, letting her enjoy her trip without worrying about mafia. Why else would a mafia team kill her when she is busy and fairly disengaged from the game?

Mr. Poe is a civilian.

He is? Strike everything I said then, lol. I thought that was a second baddie kill. Deep.

EBWOP: deep = derp

Given all the secrets in this game I think it is a stretch to say it's impossible. I think it is highly unlikely but not impossible.

Dom is a guy.

Quin wrote:

sig wrote:

sprityo wrote:

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Effective immediately, Sprityo is replacing Glorfindel.

And yeah, dead members of factions win too.

I have to wonder why Sprit replaced Glor. Glor was pretty active. I know glor has a hard time being mafia, so maybe it was too much pressure.

This is all I have to go on right now, unfortunately. So, *voting Sprit*

I think there are much more significant topics being discussed right now which make for better votes than than voting based on a flimsy hypothesis on why someone might have subbed out.

Okay I somehow managed to miss eloh saying this and I agree with quin. This is lazy playing, an easy out.

This is interesting from Quin, some soft defense of Sprityo and quin was on another wagon. Which could have taken off.

I think the troupe was trying to avoid being on the same vote as Sprityo, since that would have put them under fire if/when Sprityo flipped. So instead they low key defended him/attacked people who were agaisnt him and joined other or started potential wagons.

It wasn't a soft defence. I made it pretty blatant over the course of the day that I opposed the main reason people were piling votes on sprityo. If you're gonna throw a case at me, make it hurt.

Quin likes it when you make it hurt apparently.

I'm not sure why... I think it's because he defended sprityo? :shrugs:

Well who else would you consider sig, same to you Wilgy?

I'm sorry I missed the vote guys, my sister got in tonight for the beginning of a week and half visit. I got sidetracked and missed the poll end.

Sorsha, I was not trying to lure anyone from voting Dom, I was trying to keep things from being a one track lynch and at least get some input on other people, see what some of the late voters might say and consider some other options because I don't know what I think of such a runaway lynch tally...

Linki: Yep that would be why.

Sorsha wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I'm sorry I missed the vote guys, my sister got in tonight for the beginning of a week and half visit. I got sidetracked and missed the poll end.

Sorsha, I was not trying to lure anyone from voting Dom, I was trying to keep things from being a one track lynch and at least get some input on other people, see what some of the late voters might say and consider some other options because I don't know what I think of such a runaway lynch tally...

Linki: Yep that would be why.

I think you mean Eloh, not me!

*facepalm* You're right, I do mean Eloh, I don't know how I mixed that up.

I do think that, Dom was phrasing it with a lot of certainty imo.