The Syndicate

I'm here. I swear I am. Ok, maybe I just showed up. Maybe I haven't read anything yet. Maybe...

I am going to get a shower and then catch up.

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:50 pm I'm voting for @Spacedaisy because I want her to say things and she makes me nervous when she isn't posting.

If this came from anyone else I could excuse it, but this guy right here knows that I have barely been on the site in the last few days. He knows that I am juggling multiple writing projects in addition to two games. He knows I've been exhausted and slept a lot more than normal. So tell me why this guy says me being quiet is shady. No, I'm not buying this.

*votes MP*

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:03 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:01 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:50 pm I'm voting for @Spacedaisy because I want her to say things and she makes me nervous when she isn't posting.

If this came from anyone else I could excuse it, but this guy right here knows that I have barely been on the site in the last few days. He knows that I am juggling multiple writing projects in addition to two games. He knows I've been exhausted and slept a lot more than normal. So tell me why this guy says me being quiet is shady. No, I'm not buying this.

*votes MP*

Woah, hold your horse there. I know you've been really busy and am aware of your preoccupations as well as your work schedule. It's merely a pressure vote. I didn't say you were shady; I just want you to say things and expressed that I get paranoid of you when you aren't talking.

I'm not sure what to make of this reaction, but I tentatively feel OK about it.

Here's the thing. When you are pressure voting someone you are upfront about it. No you didn't use the word shady. You said it makes you nervous when I'm not posting. You didn't say this is a pressure vote. You implied that me not posting is somehow scary. When you know that my not posting has zero to do with my alignment.

I may be convinced I had a knee jerk reaction to you here. I'm leaving it there until I can catch up though

I'm running a couple errands, I will catch up and post al my thoughts as soon as I get home.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 1:29 pm The one thing I would note is that Dom hasn't really said anything either, so why poke Spacedaisy and then a newcomer?

The timing of MP's "pressure vote" and Spacedaisy's reaction looks somewhat suspicious to me. Eleven minutes after MP posts, Spacedaisy reacts to it and puts a vote on MP.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:01 pm

MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:50 pm I'm voting for @Spacedaisy because I want her to say things and she makes me nervous when she isn't posting.

If this came from anyone else I could excuse it, but this guy right here knows that I have barely been on the site in the last few days. He knows that I am juggling multiple writing projects in addition to two games. He knows I've been exhausted and slept a lot more than normal. So tell me why this guy says me being quiet is shady. No, I'm not buying this.

*votes MP*

Note that this is only her second post of the game. Her first was:

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 07, 2017 10:57 am I'm here. I swear I am. Ok, maybe I just showed up. Maybe I haven't read anything yet. Maybe...

I am going to get a shower and then catch up.

There is roughly an eleven hour difference between the two posts. By my count, there were 52 posts between Spacedaisy's first and second posts, several of them quite meaty.

Here is my concern: Of all those 52 posts in just 11 minutes, how did Spacedaisy react to MP's harmless vote so quickly? It almost looks like she knew to respond to it- a fabricated, planned interaction between the two.

I can understand how it looks that way, timing wise, but it was purely coincidental. I was working yesterday and doing some training, so I was bored at the computer. I didn't intend on playing mafia or posting at all since I was not caught up but when i opened the site I had a notification from an @mention. I looked to see what he had said about me and responded according to my first reaction. Take it as you will. Now I am going to go back and catch up on the whole thread.

Ooookay. I have read everything.

1. Long Con vs. Epi... reading this same basic argument every freaking game you guys play together can be summed up as follows:

Gut reaction to it is that Epi's initial comment regarding LC seemed flimsy. LC's actions after that, in particular his late claim that it was a joke seem even flimsier. Also Epi's meta case is the same basic thing he has made against LC in every game I have played with the both of them. So I am over reading these two. I don't know who is good or who is bad. One, neither, hell maybe even both. I'm just done with that. Neither one is likely to convince me of the other being bad. if I become convinced one of them is bad it will likely be because of some other action or something unrelated because I think it's all just a big rivalry now. One I don't care about. Enjoy your pissing contest boys. I'm out on that one.

2. MP, sorry but my vote is remaining where it is. I think you are bad after I have read everything. Here is why. My gut reaction to you was why does it make you nervous I'm quiet when you know for a fact i have not even read the thread? Your post seemed questionable. I backed off because yes, you did say you wanted me to say things. But when I read the thread I got this feeling that you are mostly town reading folks. Me, Epi, speedchuck, bwt, etc. The few you have baddie read are Sloonei, who you are clearly giving a very soft baddie read to, and LC who has the most attention of anyone so far. The easy choice. I know you can't devote the time you would have in the past, but gut reading doesn't take time, only cutting back on your infamous walls of text. And the thing with describing bwt's meta. First you declare him good, then you say only a post or two later you can't read him. My dear, I believe you are bad. And my vote is not moving.

No one else has made any real good or bad impact on me. uh, wait except speedchuck. This is a gut read I can't explain well but I am feeling town there.

if I am right about MP, I would say either Sloonei or LC is his baddie teammate. If I'm wrong... I don't even know.

I didn't pay attention to where he voted until you asked. He moves it so much with his pressure votes, until he votes for real I don't think much of it. It's meaningless. It wasn't even his vote for me that got me suspicious it was what he said by way of explanation.

Why do you suspect speedchuck? I see your vote is on him too? Perhaps I need to ISO him and reconsider how I am feeling, I don't know. I'm open to hearing a case though.

Also, why did you so strongly speak out against NewTraditionalist? I liked his response btw, the vote for you for calling him a liar seemed consistent with someone who is civ and had someone lie about them. I figured you were just being typical Wilgy, shaking things up. Was I correct in reading it that way or is there more to it?

You feel that convinced I am wrong about MP? Why?

I do expect more town reads, but I feel like it is unlike MP to not have some kind of strong feeling about someone. And I find his two bad reads to be slippery reads, for lack of a better way to say this.

I apparently missed his speedchuck baddie read because I don't recall that one...

I just looked back and I think I don't understand what he was saying.

Please explain? You think I want him to be bad? Like biased because of... what?

linki: I won't let him. But I also won't lynch him without giving the idea I might be wrong a fair shake.

Epi, I don't know if I have been or not. But it is certainly always possible I'm wrong about him. my suspicion of him should by no means be taken as foolproof evidence.

I explained it earlier. Like sloonei you really seemed to make it a soft baddie read. And LC was the leading suspect, getting most of the talk. He was the easy target.

Arg, I'm really questioning this now. More because of Wilgy... which is probably the first time that has ever happened.

Linki: Alright between you and Wilgy, I'll give you the botd and vote speedchuck.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:56 pm also holy shit the worst role to lose wow great job everybody

We don't know all the roles, so how is that the worst one to lose?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:59 pm And how do you know that is the worst role to lose?

I think it' pretty common for civilians to think the cop is the most informative role they've got on their side. Come on guys.

Epi. Get real. He had three abilities that were basically limited disco and a vig kill. You are playing semantics.

Linki: Same to you bwt.

Yes, he has three different power that give him info and one power that produces a kill. I'd wager that probably is the most powerful role the civs have. Stop painting nutella as bad for saying it.

And I'm done discussing this because you both are just baiting right now and I'm done. Especially Epi.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:17 pm

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 8:56 pm also holy shit the worst role to lose wow great job everybody

We don't know all the roles, so how is that the worst one to lose?

it's a heist... it's one of the few power roles and obviously a very good one... why don't you share my reaction

Agreed.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Sep 08, 2017 9:22 pm I could just as easily say I'm done with you for painting speedchuck as bad for his lousy memory / being indecisive.

@Spacedaisy

But I'm not.

Please do say you're done with me. I would love that, because the arrogant Epi schtick where you act like only you could possibly ever be correct only pisses me off. Yeah you sure were right about LC.

I'm leaving for the night because my mood will only lead me to say things I shouldn't. I'll come back tomorrow.

I'm not bad. But if you all feel like lynching me tomorrow I'm not fighting it. I've got a lot on my plate. But if you're civ, it will only be a loss to you. If you're bad, well it gets you a step closer to a win, but I'm totally vanilla so it won't accomplish much as far as getting rid of any other power roles. Whatever man.

I voted for A, for no reason in particular.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:43 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Sep 09, 2017 7:59 pm I'm not bad. But if you all feel like lynching me tomorrow I'm not fighting it. I've got a lot on my plate. But if you're civ, it will only be a loss to you. If you're bad, well it gets you a step closer to a win, but I'm totally vanilla so it won't accomplish much as far as getting rid of any other power roles. Whatever man.

Why the change in attitude all of a sudden? It feels like you're just giving up.

Just busy is all. I don't particularly want to be lynched, but various people have expressed the suspicion of me so I'm just kind of whatever.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:37 pm Aint got no respect for nobody.

Spacedaisy
Serge
Dragon D. Luffy
Dom
MovingPictures07
birdwithteeth11

These are the people I would lynch today, listed in order of favorability. . . ish. If there are 4 or so non-town, I'm willing to bet that 3 are in here.

I would rather not be lynched, but if you must feel free. It will be a colossal waste of time. I don't believe bwt is bad. I go back and forth on MP. I wish I felt more confident one way or the other, it's uncommon for me when reading MP. I have no opinion of Serge, DDL or Dom.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:11 pm linki: Post didn't sway me. Now I'm just going to feel bad if I lynch you and you are town. But I've made my argument, and if more people don't follow up and agree with it, you'll be fine.
Pls, @everyone, what do you think of my case on spacedaisy?

My case from earlier:
Rereading spacedaisy though has her pretty solidly last, much as I hate to say it. Tone, presence, passive-aggressive way of defending herself, the way she slowly switches from defense to helping push the man lynch trains without calling attention to herself, etc.

Any passive aggressive tones you are getting from me is because sometimes Epi's arrogance level gets on my last nerve. And if I can be honest, it's the reason I have pretty much withdrawn from the activity level I had previously engaged after MP's @mention of me. I don't particularly like being pissed off in a mafia game, least of all at someone I consider a friend. Good guy, but one whose mafia persona I frequently cannot handle with out feeling intense levels of irritation.

Other than that there wasn't any passive aggressiveness. Wait, what main lynch trains did I switch to help push? I didn't even vote for the person who died. I switched from MP to you (which is probably why you are so stuck on me) simply because Wilgy seemed very certain I was reading something into MP. Like he almost seemed to me to be implying he knew something. So it really made me question my read on MP at that time. I never pushed for anyone's lynch except MP's.

So speedchuck, will you be willing to answer when you are dead wrong? When my lynch flips, you ready for that vanilla civ reveal? Because that is what you will get.

let's say for moment that happens. What does that do to your suspicions? Who do you look at next?

I'm looking at a sanmateo/DDL teammate pairing with that last post by DDL.

Sorry. Was caught in linki hell

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:02 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:55 pm I'm looking at a sanmateo/DDL teammate pairing with that last post by DDL.

Explain?

It was a soft statement about sanmateo and a vote for someone else who might have a shot at getting lynched instead of him. I'll have to read back over you both to see if my gut reaction to that might hold water. I'll get back to you.

Yeah, I'm feeling DDL/sanmateo. sanmateo mentioned DDL at least four times. But DDL only gave any kind of response once and it was far from an impassioned defense. Maybe it's just because I see things the way I would respond, but look at speedchuck. Every time he mentions me I feel compelled to defend myself against what I see as ridiculous accusations. But DDL's one "defense" amounted to a big kind of response. I think this is distancing. I'll probably vote there tomorrow unless something drastically changes my mind.

I'm on the same page completely Epi.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:40 pm so ddl is probably bad tbh

Why do you think this?

lol, ok. I like that answer better than the one I thought might be coming. I am down for a DDL lynch. I'll even drop the first vote.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:35 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:55 pm I'm looking at a sanmateo/DDL teammate pairing with that last post by DDL.

Daisy was on this DDL/sanmateo thing before it was even a thing. Good look, I think. Or a super early busser. I'm gonna go with the former, but not dismiss the latter entirely.

We don't even know DDL's alignment yet. How would this be a good look for me without knowing DDL's alignment already?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:54 pm By process of elimination I'll be a little stunned if DDL is not bad. I've come around to feeling alright about nutella, and MP looks town as hell after yesterday. Daisy and speedchuck also look pretty good. That leaves mostly a murky pool of quieter folks, and I've just come up with a pair of light town reads on two of them, which just leaves Dom and birdwithteeth as players I'm not specifically feeling good about in any way.

Not to say I'm writing anyone off as a suspect, of course.

This may answer my last post...

Still...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Sep 14, 2017 12:59 am The lack of pressure away from DDL today is a bit concerning. I've given my vote only a little bit of second thought and I still feel good about it. The two theories surrounding the easiness of this bandwagon are that DDL is bad and his teammate(s) have given him up, accepted his lynch and got out of the line of fire; or that he's town and scum are just coasting on an easy bandwagon.

To DDL's credit, he's given us this rousing self-defense today:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:16 pm RIP Epi.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:18 pm I mean, most of the time I just assume whoever is accusing me is just wrong.

This would fit more in line with the theory that he's a scum player being given up for dead. His total lack of content suggests to me that he is withdrawn.
If this is the case, however, I'd buy into a 4-person scum team. If the team was down to just DDL and one other, I'd expect there to be more of a fight than this.
Or we're dealing with a 3-man scum team of which DDL is not a part. Or, worst case, a 4-man team that he's not a part of.

You're missing another possiblity. His teammate is either new (NewTraditionalist) and doesn't know how to handle the situation. Or he is on the low side of activity. I'd have to look back to see who that might include.

Serge's post read a little desperate to me right now. And he would fit the low activity. Dom, I could see that as well. New traditionalist is someone I would consider too, given what I mentioned above.

While I won't dismiss the possibility of Sloonei completely, he has put me a lot more at ease with his recent comments.

His posts just seemed like trying to scrabble to get anything he can get hold of.

Jay mentioned high traffic tourist zones being the ones with the most tips called in on Quin. So I checked out a map of Sydney and I'm thinking C. Voting there.

Linki: I think distancing personally. I'm inclined to vote serge next based on the tone of his posts during the DDL lynch.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Sep 15, 2017 11:26 am I read through DDL's posts. I recommend doing the same. I'm gonna throw down a chart here.
Xs are suspicions
Vs are votes.
Os are defenses/townreads
Qs are questions
S is a shrug
The number with them tells what phase they were on. 0 is night 0. 1 is D1. 2 is N1. And so on. A little confusing, but necessary. CHART TIME!


MovingPictures07 - X1-X1-X1-X1-V1-X2
nutella - X1-X1-X1-V2-X2
Spacedaisy - X1
Sloonei - O1-O1-O1-X1
speedchuck -
NewTraditionalist -
Serge -
birdwithteeth11 -
Dom -

LC - X0-X0-X1-X1
Dr Wilgy - O1-
sanmateo - S2
Epi - S1-O2

A lot of these townreads, or heck, even scumreads, are weak and DDL backs off as he says them. I considered using lowercase to indicate weakness, but the chart is already hard enough to read.

NT was mentioned in relation to MP's vote for NT. DDL didn't like it. Granted, I wasn't a huge fan either.
Those with no mentions were technically a part of DDL's posts when he said stuff like "Everyone else is null" but I didn't include that.

I would appreciate everyone looking at DDL's sloon mentions, and sloon's treatement of DDL, and see if it looks more like DDL buddying and sloonei hunting or DDL defending and then distancing.

I'll check this out in a bit here and get back to you speedchuck, don't want you to think I'm ignoring the request.

Please clarify, sanmateo's treatment of bwt makes you feel slightly better about bwt, or slightly better about serge? The majority of your post seemed to be addressing serge but your final sentence is unclear who it makes you feel better about. If I read that sentence alone I would assume you mean bwt, but in the larger context I am uncertain of which person you are talking about.

ok, thank you. I think his not a scum coasting kind of player posts are kind of in response to me saying I could see it being him because he was on of the inactive players and I was leaning towards thinking an inactive might be the third. But my real reason for suspecting him is more about how he came in here when it's pretty much do or die for the last baddie and is posting like crazy, trying to convince us of you. Who I have also suspected in the past cycle.

I haven't yet looked at speedchuck's request, but I would like to know who his top suspects are currently?

thanks speedchuck.

That was an unexpected kill...

What are your thoughts on the speedchuck kill? I was expecting MP to die so it has surprised me.

Frankly I am at a point where I need to decide if I think it's Dom or Sloonei, because that is who I am down to.

On the one hand Dom seems to be phoning it in and his question about who didn't want to lynch DDL seemed off to me.

On the other hand Sloonei cleared me based on DDL being bad before DDL flipped.

I am kind of torn honestly.

I'm going to put my vote on Sloonei at the moment because he was my next suspect after serge already...

I'm having a serious flare up of hives at the moment. I am going to go try and put some calamine lotion on and take a nap. I will be back before the deadline though to see if anything has changed my mind, so if you are town Sloon, I need you to convince me.

I'm sticking with Sloonei, I keep coming back to the speedchuck kill and I can't see how it makes sense for anyone but sloonei. And none of the people you are accusing right now are active enough to really have come up with that kill in order to frame you and if Dom was a low playing scum, that would not be the person he kills. I just think it's more likely Sloonei. I'm leaving my vote.

And now I am stuck going back to work because some stupid employee decided she was going home, without permission and left the other guy alone. Never mind that it will put my into OT oh and I am BROKE OUT IN HIVES! I fucking hate retail.

NT, color me impressed with you coming out swinging tonight. Go you! I love your analysis.