The Syndicate

This is me checking in. I won't be able to really get read up on this game until this afternoon once I am home from work. But I am here!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:27 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:08 am This is me checking in. I won't be able to really get read up on this game until this afternoon once I am home from work. But I am here!

This post wins my vote for shadiest introduction. Pretend the Day 1 poll is up and my vote is on Daisy.

If by shady you mean, felt guilty for not even reading anything yet and only having glanced at my role card and knew I wouldn't have time until tonight to do anything game related, then sure I'm shady. Shadiest civilian you will ever see. But civilian none the less.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:11 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 1:47 pm How come Mars gets to have such a big mountain?

It's not about size, more so how you use it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 11:18 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:27 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:08 am This is me checking in. I won't be able to really get read up on this game until this afternoon once I am home from work. But I am here!

This post wins my vote for shadiest introduction. Pretend the Day 1 poll is up and my vote is on Daisy.

If by shady you mean, felt guilty for not even reading anything yet and only having glanced at my role card and knew I wouldn't have time until tonight to do anything game related, then sure I'm shady. Shadiest civilian you will ever see. But civilian none the less.

Yes, I read a bit of guilt in there. I still read it here. Nothing serious has happened, so there's nothing to feel guilty about having missed. Your guilt seems to precede your involvement in this game.

My guilt has to do with the fact that I failed in the last two games I played because I got too busy. And here I am starting yet another game with poor involvement. I'm better at being scum than that Sloonei. You are not seeing my scum game here. But nice try.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] Lost Again 3 comes to mind. But whatever man. I don't feel the need to prove I can play a good scum game. Especially given the fact that I am not scum in this game.

... I have never heard the terms "Good boys" "Bad boys" or "Wild boys" used here. Are you from an alternate reality?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I think the Spacedaisy guilt line of questioning is weak. I hate "I'm not that bad at being bad" defenses but if you can rephrase to "most players are not that bad at being bad," it is an acceptable counterattack.

Didn't come across that way, though. Still don't think Daisy gets guilty over being scum.

I don't. I kind of enjoy being scum. And I'm trying to overtake Epi still for top FEB, though lately I have suffered a setback because I haven't been rolling scum. And this game won't offer me the opportunity either. I'm not scum. I'm a big mountain.

Also I'm sorry you hate that defense, but it was really less of a defense and more annoyance that Sloonei could possibly think I'd be that bad at playing scum.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:01 am I still like Mesk's response, and that's the best reason I have to think anybody is good at this stage. I do wish Mesk would bless us with some commentary though.

Glorfindel hasn't posted yet, which isn't a good sign.

I don't think Glorf is going to show.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:43 am I take that back. I just don't get the Epi/Daisy inconsistency so my mind writes it off.

Um, what inconsistency apparently has me linked with Epi? I'm a bit confused about this statement.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:58 am I didn't see any need to treat the Daisy votes any differently than any other votes at the time. They seemed like pressure votes, and that was fine with me.

See you say "pressure votes" but did I ever even have any votes at any time? And also, did anyone other than Sloonei ever say they actually suspected me? Because this is what troubles me, Sloonei indicated he suspected me strongly, on a couple of occasions actually. And the response from everyone seemed to be meh, we don't see it. And Sloonei dropped it like a hot potato. He never indicated he found my explanation plausible. He never seemed to give me so much as a "not sure I buy it, but I'll let it go for the moment," Nothing. I woud normally dismiss Sloonei's early actions as trying to force conversation, but this didn't fee like he was really looking for conversation, looking back at it now it feels to me like he was throwing the spaghetti against the wall to see what sticks. That concerns me. Especially since he never even voted for me that I am aware of. If he was so suspicious of me, why did he drop it without a peep? And why did he never actually vote for me?

Ok thoughts on nutella, everyone trying to lynch her based on meta is a laugh. First off the meta you describe doesn't fit any nutella meta I can ever recall, and I've played with her a helluva a lot longer than most of you. Secondly, she knows her own meta and if she were bad she would be using that against us. I've seen her do it. Meta is a joke.

Thoughts on Epi/LC. I'm tin foiling here, I feel like this exchange doesn't feel the same as most of their others. I could see these two being teamies and tossing each other under the bus right off the bat. That is a ballsy strategy that either of them would pull. It has me paranoid. That said, my rational brain finds Epi feeling like a civ. But not his normal self. I don't know if that makes sense, but it does in my brain. Either he is abd and he and LC are tossing each other under the bus early, or he's civ. That is where I stand on Epi.

I saw conversation about nutella regarding her lazy playstyle or something like that. It struck me as silly since lazy doesn't describe either her good or bad meta.

Also, whatever LC was coming at Epi for at the get go was just weird and reaching. I think he can do better, it's why I am tinfoiling, Epi is like pitching softballs at LC and LC is reaching, it's all very weird to me.

Regarding Glorf, I think he signed up for this game and then had real life stuff come up. No I cannot currently reach him. I think we should see about either lynching him or getting him replaced because I highly doubt he will be here.

Jack, thank you for clarifying sir!

P.S. That lead teller actually had a valid reason for being zero help in the crisis situation. She had PTSD from a hostile takeover robbery of a restaurant she managed. She was held at gunpoint and it was quite traumatic I guess. But it makes for a hilarious story, especially when I mention that all the while another teller was trying to call 911 and forgot to dial 9 to call out first, so she was banging the phone on the cradle in a panic because she didn't think the phone was working. Both times. Also these events took place two weeks apart. The FBI came into my branch after the second one and greeted me like this: "Hey Annie!" It's never a good sign when the FBI address you by your informal nickname, lol.

Also I hate thieves and everyone in our store gets a laugh out of the way I get in their faces when tey try to pull shit. Tonight I literally ran out of the office and stood in front of the door, when the dude came out of the beer cave he took one look at me standing there and set all 5 18pk cases of Budlight on the ground before slinking past me out the door. My reaction when I saw who it was and what he was about to do was, "Ahw HELL no!"

/storytime Thanks for listening. Or not, you know whatever man.

Your lasagna bit gave me a good chuckle at work, Quin.

And Sloonei's last post just did now too. I love you guys! Even if I do sometimes think you're evil scum that must be eradicated...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:29 am I like your bank stories, Daisy.

Thanks Jack! Now I don't feel quite so annoying, lol.

I disagree with the Sutter Buttes one. We have not yet had a night in which to turn any actions in. The Sutter Buttes hide a fellow little mountain at night and it decreases the vote tally against them the following day. I think this can be discounted as a reason for what occurred.

If Everest, then it might not be her
If Aconcagua, then it is her
If Pico Cristobal Colon, then it doesn't have to be her, but they must be someone who feels confident using their one time power to save her...
If Matterhorn, ??? we just don't know enough to eliminate this one
Disregarding Sutter Buttes for reasons already stated above...
Olympus Mons, same boat as Matterhorn

This doesn't clear her, but her survival is in no way a clear indication of her being bad. in fact I think her behavior might actually be explained by a couple of these possibilities and leans me even more towards my previous belief that Nutella is not bad.

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 am Shit... am i even allowed to swear...

Hell no, what the fuck were you thinking?

Oh also, welcome to the site and it's nice to meet you!

We occasionally hold family friendly games, but the game outline will clearly stipulate the language rules for that game. And they are rare. We try not to censor language, we only hold fast to our one absolutely line in the sand which is basically that we don't allow any slurs against any person or group based upon their race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, etc. So pretty much "Don't be a dick" sums it up for us. All other language is fair play. But we do tend to try and treat each other with respect while we call each other scummy lying wolves.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:37 am I just realized daisy voted for me. In a tied poll. Why?

It wasn't tied from where I sat. In fact it wasn't visibly tied when the poll ended. I already said exactly why I found you suspicious, you read it and even responded to it. I just apparently forgot to say *votes Sloonei*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:33 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:37 am I just realized daisy voted for me. In a tied poll. Why?

It wasn't tied from where I sat. In fact it wasn't visibly tied when the poll ended. I already said exactly why I found you suspicious, you read it and even responded to it. I just apparently forgot to say *votes Sloonei*

I'm more interested in why you used your vote on a player who was not in any danger of being lynched during such a contested lynch phase. What were the votes like at the time?

Because I believed Nutella to be civ (though she has fooled me before so I wasn't 100% certain) and though I am tinfoiling LC and Epi, it's nowhere near solid enough a suspicion to place a vote there. So basically I voted the person I lost suspected at the time. That's how you usually are supposed to use your vote after all.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:59 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:25 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:52 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:43 am I'm with Sloonei (and LC, wow, what a surprise, it's el clásico again and everything is predictable and nothing hurts)

Are you more inclined toward my hesitance or LC's confidence?

The former, I guess. Mostly I agree with the sentiments you've expressed about why Quin's reasoning is fine for day 1, and probably enough to join Quin and LC in an epi vote if I don't get anything better for a day 1 reason

*votes Nutella*

My reaction also was to vote nutella. My perspective after giving it some thought, however, is to question if nutella would be so careless and flippant if she were mafia, knowing that being careless and flippant would likely draw votes. I need to hear more.

This seems to be the first time Nutella was referred to in this game as careless.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:18 pm Nutella is supatown as town and not when she's bad. She killed it as a Phenon civvy I had this whole fake suspicion on her for her not being aggressive enough when we were scum together in ME that was of course a legit line of questioning I never got around to pushing cause I didn't want her dead.

What's the problem, Epi?

Now we have Jack discussing her meta. Which struck me as really off because my experience with Nutella's baddie meta (before she started using her knowledge of her own meta against us) was that Baddie Nutella acts a lot more sure of her suspicions than civ Nutella. So if she wasn't acting sure of herself in ME, it's precisely because she was using her meta against people who know that civ Nutella is uncertain and flip floppy. In short, this is NIA now since she knows her own baddie/civ tells.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm Nutella hasn't always been super consistent as a townie in my experience with her. She'll speak her mind without regard for whether or not it all fits neatly together, and I've got no issue with that. I don't think I would vote for her based solely on her posts so far.

This post makes me feel better about Sloonei actually. It's the only read of Nutella that seems accurate to me.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:02 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:47 pm okay this has turned into nonsensical arguments that are getting us nowhere. remind me to never again sign up for a game with both Epi and LC because it just always turns into this and we never make progress

I dislike this. It's the same as trying to tell the thread that nothing significant is being exchanged between them. I wonder if nutella has made similar sentiments in other games while town.

Another comment directing things toward nutella meta.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:24 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:10 pm Epi who do you suspect?

My head says Long Con and nutella, but I'm aware of my biases there.

Long Con has done nothing but provoke me, and he knows it, which means I am less likely to do anything productive this Day phase because he knows I'll argue with him, and I know when I do argue with him, he's going to continue making things up (like I somehow magically chose who was going to quote Elton John) and whenever I challenge anything he has to say about me, he will give glib, unhelpful responses ("Indeed." "Keep dancing," etc.), which shows he isn't interested in figuring me out. He's interested in getting me out regardless of my alignment. It almost feels personal.

nutella is someone I always get wrong, but her participation here strikes me as phony. It was like she didn't understand what was going on in the thread but somehow agreed with Quin, Sloonei, and LC when they had three rather different things to say about me (or in Quin's case, nothing at all).

I haven't given anybody else much thought. If I had to lynch someone based on other factors right now, DDL because a chunk of his posts are defending me. I appreciate that on one level, but I caution myself about people doing that, especially this early when it's easy to do.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 6:10 pm Who do you think is good?

Mesk, still, I suppose.

Epi is uncharacteristically cautious here. He has the best line of reasoning for voting for Nutella, yet he doesn't. I think his line of reasoning was based on incorrect understanding of what she was saying, but still he had the most secure reason to vote her but he didn't want to?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:00 pm Agreed with Quin Epi, Nutella bad.

Nutella being lazy is a scumtell. I don't think she thinks I'm bad nor thinks I'll get lynched but I'd rather....you know what? I'm not sure what Nutella is doing. We were teamed together and it was said that I focus too much on myself when I'm bad, as I focused too much on myself and tap danced to victory. So that's like...an unfriendly poke? But there's no weight behind it. It's not hunting. Feels like a distraction but it would only distract me onto her so...what is that for?

I don't want to switch to Nutella. I think she's more likely bad if Epi is bad and Epi is more likely to be bad if just one of them is. I dislike lynching people I suspect of being buddies with someone I suspect more. Like if we lynch Epi and he's town, I can revevaluate Nutella. If I lynch Nutella and she's town, I don't move on Epi. So why lynch Nutella first.

Anyhow, I think LC, Quin, Kyle, Sloonei are town in that order. Probably Bob too (don't listen to my Bob reads). Everyone else statistically probably town but not giving me reasons to think so.

Again discussion of Nutella's supposed meta. Meta which I disagree with entirely. And in fact, I disagree with trying to read Nutella's meta at all since, as I've mentioned multiple times already, she knows about and uses against the civs when she is bad.

So yeah, I think there was a very strong element of meta being pushed in the Nutella lynch train.

After all this I feel more like Epi might actually be bad, and Jack has my eye too. I want to ISO him though. And I want to ISO DDL.

Gut read I am liking cbob, I think I saw something in LC that backs up what he was saying about the inconsistency between LC's response to Epi and me.

More to come after some ISOs...

I had this post saved in another tab and forgot about it, posting it now...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:30 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:33 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:58 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:37 am I just realized daisy voted for me. In a tied poll. Why?

It wasn't tied from where I sat. In fact it wasn't visibly tied when the poll ended. I already said exactly why I found you suspicious, you read it and even responded to it. I just apparently forgot to say *votes Sloonei*

I'm more interested in why you used your vote on a player who was not in any danger of being lynched during such a contested lynch phase. What were the votes like at the time?

Because I believed Nutella to be civ (though she has fooled me before so I wasn't 100% certain) and though I am tinfoiling LC and Epi, it's nowhere near solid enough a suspicion to place a vote there. So basically I voted the person I lost suspected at the time. That's how you usually are supposed to use your vote after all.

With regards to your reason for voting me specifically: you definitely are reading too much into my early poo fling at you. I was never strongly suspicious of you. I did vote for you, for about 5 minutes. I wanted to create an avenue for discussion and tried to do that through you. Instead, other avenues picked up. So I dropped it. Your response was good. This response is also good. I see nothing but a strong spacedaisy who's not tolerating any of my crap. I have a philosophical disagreement about vote application, but that's not a reason to be suspicious.

Got any other reads worth sharing?

This is the response I would have expected. If this response would have come sooner, I would not have voted for you. My concern was not your suspicion of me, it was that you came out about it so strongly at the get go and then dropped it with no comment why. I've been wrong about you before so I'm willing after this to give you the BOTD and change my focus because you finally addressed the why of all that.

Other reads. I'm struggling with the LC/Epi thing and my tinfoiling gut feeling around it. Nothing about that exchange reads normal to me. But I can't decide if it's because they are both tired of going around with each other or if they are both bad and the exchange is intentional to distance and make one of them look good by preemptively bussing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:19 pm Spacedaisy, what would your opinion of me be if I had gone ahead and voted for nutella?

Probably still in my tinfoil feeling. Because my biggest suspicion of you is that I think the exchange between you and LC feels off, it feels different than past exchanges. And I think you feel different. Your treatment of Nutella is only a part of it. I think it is strange that by the time I was reading everything that occurred you had the most talk of suspicion surrounding you, but no votes. I don't get that. I also don't get your demeanor.

The way I perceive your baddie play is based entirely off what I have seen you do while I was hosting you. You find the pressure point that gets a rise out of the people going after you, you hit those pressure points hard so that the player gets upset and discredits him or herself. As a civ you go over and over and over and over what you think is a flaw in logic or accusation. And you are fairly insulting about it. Here you did a bit of repetition with very little insult and then just seemed like you shrugged and walked off. I just don't get what you are doing. The only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:45 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pmThe only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

So, according to you, Epi and I must have been sitting in BTSC, rubbing our hands together going, "Oh boy, let's get into it in the thread! This is going to be great! Just watch us cruise to victory by arguing about some logical misundestanding on Day 1, and then BOOM, we win and they'll never know what hit them! "

I can't believe you actually think this.

I have played on baddie teams with Epi, I most certainly do believe that he would love to bus his teammate right off the bat. And you guys always go after each other, every game you play together without fail. You both know to do otherwise would look suspicious. I doubt the topic of your shouting at each other was worked out in advance. So now you are telling me you think it was all a misunderstanding? You don't believe Epi is supicious?

My issue with your whole back and forth was this, you were reaching to the max and you know it. And Epi didn't respond like someone who really wants to get you lynched even though he should have if he were civ. Neither of you behaved normally in this.

Linki: That possibility is the only thing making me feel like this might all be tinfoiling and exactly why I didn't vote for LC in the last lynch. Also why I have decided either you two are baddies together or you (Epi) are civ.

That linki was towards Epi's last post, just to clarify.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:11 pm I thought Nutella was clear town in Pokemon, too. Not coasting. I've never seen good Nutella just whatever a game. Course, she came back later with some content.

People were saying meta was not involved. I was showing how it most definitely was mentioned multiple times in the lynch train. I don't doubt you thought you had some tell, but my point was arguing meta about Nutella is unlikely to get you far. Her meta got her caught out too many times in past games, she caught on and now you can't count on being able to accurately read her meta. Which is exactly why meta is an unreliable indicator for player alignment in general.

lol, we seem to be having these type of conversations a lot this game, don't we Jack.

Don't take anything I say too seriously at the moment, I'm trying to just read things and think them through. I'm feeling very indecisive about how I am interpreting things at the moment.

If I have a hard and fast accusation to make, I will make it and you will know it.

What I do find confusing Jack is why you both believe Epi is bad and at the same time said you agree with him that Nutella is bad and your vote ended on Nutella. Where do you stand currently on Epi?

Jack, do you want me to give you the ability to @mention again?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:00 pm Agreed with Quin Epi, Nutella bad.

Nutella being lazy is a scumtell. I don't think she thinks I'm bad nor thinks I'll get lynched but I'd rather....you know what? I'm not sure what Nutella is doing. We were teamed together and it was said that I focus too much on myself when I'm bad, as I focused too much on myself and tap danced to victory. So that's like...an unfriendly poke? But there's no weight behind it. It's not hunting. Feels like a distraction but it would only distract me onto her so...what is that for?

I don't want to switch to Nutella. I think she's more likely bad if Epi is bad and Epi is more likely to be bad if just one of them is. I dislike lynching people I suspect of being buddies with someone I suspect more. Like if we lynch Epi and he's town, I can revevaluate Nutella. If I lynch Nutella and she's town, I don't move on Epi. So why lynch Nutella first.

Anyhow, I think LC, Quin, Kyle, Sloonei are town in that order. Probably Bob too (don't listen to my Bob reads). Everyone else statistically probably town but not giving me reasons to think so.

Am I misunderstanding what you are saying here then? Were you saying "Agreed with Quin [&] Epi, Nutella bad" Or were you saying "Agreed with Quin, Epi [&] Nutella bad."

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:02 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:19 pm Spacedaisy, what would your opinion of me be if I had gone ahead and voted for nutella?

Probably still in my tinfoil feeling. Because my biggest suspicion of you is that I think the exchange between you and LC feels off, it feels different than past exchanges. And I think you feel different. Your treatment of Nutella is only a part of it. I think it is strange that by the time I was reading everything that occurred you had the most talk of suspicion surrounding you, but no votes. I don't get that. I also don't get your demeanor.

The way I perceive your baddie play is based entirely off what I have seen you do while I was hosting you. You find the pressure point that gets a rise out of the people going after you, you hit those pressure points hard so that the player gets upset and discredits him or herself. As a civ you go over and over and over and over what you think is a flaw in logic or accusation. And you are fairly insulting about it. Here you did a bit of repetition with very little insult and then just seemed like you shrugged and walked off. I just don't get what you are doing. The only sense I can make of it is that you and LC are baddie teammates who planned to go after each other.

Wow, Haha! Daisy this is spot on, imo. It should be in Epi's signature.

Awe thanks Eloh!

So tell me how you perceive Epi's play this game?

ok, this was the source of my confusion.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:23 pm I am the person Epi allegedly tried to intimidate on Day 1. He was not trying to intimidate me.

I was also the first person to bring up what has been dubbed his "buddying" of two players. I do not think this is a valid line of suspicion. It is on par with my Day 0 Daisy prod.

The case against Epignosis is a silly one.

This makes a difference in my view of my previous tinfoil of Epi/LC actually.

I'm heading to work, I'll check in occasionally but don't expect much out of me for the next seven hours or so.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:29 pm Just a friendly reminder that the buddying case on Epi was just the worst

I agree

I didn't even know he was playing hinestly

I think Epi's point is valid. If he had some other reason to be suspected, feeling like he is attempting to pocket someone is a natural progression. But the accusation jumps straight to Epi must be bad because he is trying to pocket these other players (which is also unsubstantiated). Jumping to such a conclusion is basically to say I believe not only that Epi is bad but these other players are good because Epi's bad.

It's pretty ludicrous really

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:36 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:34 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:23 pm I am the person Epi allegedly tried to intimidate on Day 1. He was not trying to intimidate me.

I was also the first person to bring up what has been dubbed his "buddying" of two players. I do not think this is a valid line of suspicion. It is on par with my Day 0 Daisy prod.

The case against Epignosis is a silly one.

This makes a difference in my view of my previous tinfoil of Epi/LC actually.

I'm heading to work, I'll check in occasionally but don't expect much out of me for the next seven hours or so.

Are you more inclined to look favorably on either one of them than you were before?

Yes I am more inclined to view Epi favorably. The back and forth was not something forced if another outside person started it. I don't know if it makes me feel any better about LC because it's still a crazy reach of a case he had been pushing. I expect a reach out of him now and again but more in a shake the tree kind of gambit, not in a case he continues to pursue like he has done here.

I'm more and more inclined to think Epi is good and really seems to be putting a new foot forward in his treatment of the other players. I appreciate that and want to see how it goes from here.

LC might be just falling into a normal pitfall for him, perhaps so programmed to suspect Epi that he can't see the lack of substance in his own case, but I don't know.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:46 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 5:05 pm I recall Epi once making the argument that Eloh is more invested in games when she has someone to talk to behind the scenes. In this game she's made multiple comments about the amount of effort she's been putting into getting caught up. Her tone in these posts has not been one of frustration or dejection, but instead she's seemed kind of gleeful about it, playing around and joking about her involvement. I like this attitude and approve of it in every way, which is why I feel dirty for turning it into a case against Eloh. If she is involved in BTSC, and has been since Day 1, then she's scum. And if this is the case and Epi's old argument is true, then her carefree attitude toward the avalanche of posts in this thread might be explained by her involvement with teammates behind the scenes. Or she's just having a jolly old time.

yeah I can see this. I feel like Eloh often gets mislynched for low activity, so I wouldn't be surprised if this is baddie eloh

I disagree. I don't think she gets mislynched for being a low poster. In fact, I don't think many people here do. I think she gets mislynched because she tends to say things that seem illogical, but I don't know that I could differentiate her baddie missteps from her civ missteps.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] I don't know if you ever answered my question, do you now hold the belief that the back and forth between you and Epi was a misunderstanding?

While I like Wilgy's recent activity, it's freaking me out a little bit. I don't recall him playing so straight forward a playstyle in... well, ever!

Wilgy is highly unpredictable. Don't apply normal rules of logic. Wilgy is almost as unpredictable as Vompatti. Almost. Nothing is unlikely for Wilgy, everything is fair game. I'm just unsure what to do with this version of Wilgy...

It's very straight forward, usually he is cryptic and frequently unhelpful until he is under some sort of pressure because he's about to die.

I do agree cbob that his content is helpful, I'm not inclined to discourage him from playing this way. I just don't know if I read as indicating alignment one way or another. I wouldn't be putting a vote on him today, unless something drastic changes my opinion.

linki @ Wilgy: It scares me because I don't know how to interpret it in terms of alignment. I love the content offering though, please don't let my tinfoil fears dissuade you from continuing on your current path!

Just so you all know my plans for the evening, I am going to trivia night with some friends, who are then coming back to our place and playing board games probably until the wee hours of the morning. I may not be as present tonight as last night. But I am off tomorrow and working first shift through through Sunday after that so I should be able to play at my current levels without interruption for the next few cycles. We leave for trivia in about an hour so if you have anything you want from me please ask it soon.

Not in any game I've played with you.

And Rico is a poor example, he can play normal too. He used to play quite well, and then decided to just do his gimmicks instead. I don't know why. Also, where the heck is Rico?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:19 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:26 pm@Long Con I don't know if you ever answered my question, do you now hold the belief that the back and forth between you and Epi was a misunderstanding?

Nah, I still think he's probably bad, but I'll focus elsewhere for now because K2 said so. I am considering voting Eloh for saying things I don't quite believe... or voting Jack for suspicious buddying behaviour... or joining Epi in a vote on Dom! There's a couple of players I won't vote for, but I'll keep them to myself at least for now.

I like this answer, it considerably lowers my suspicion of you atm.

I think right now I would most likely vote DDL, sig, sprityo or even Dom.

I don't understand anyone suspecting Kyle, I don't feel lkike reading his posts that I get a baddie vibe from him.

I am reading town Jay right now.

Also think Eloh is town.

I will read cbob in ISO probably during the next night cycle because I feel like I am getting civ vibes there but I am unsure why and I want to be able to identify it.

For now I am going to toss my vote on sig. I may move it though. I'll try to check in after trivia and see if anything changes my mind. BBL gang.

Epi: Some of the reads I have seen from Sloonei have made me lean town, but I would be no means call him a solid town read for me. He certainly had my suspicion D1.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:46 pm Daisy how do you feel about Jack?

Jack's continued attempt to harp on Epi based on the Epi v. LC reads bad, but I would call him a light bad read because he always talks his way out of whatever I suspect him for. I can't decide if he's a fast talking baddie or just a civ I'm not understanding.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:49 pm @Spacedaisy Why sig? Wish you'd thrown that vote earlier while I was there. :/

Linki: I support a Sloonei/Jack choice for today

I forgot to vote actually, lol. But the reason is he is somewhat active and thoroughly forgettable. That worries me.

I do not want to vote for either Eloh or Sloonei, but if I am forced to choose between the two I would probably vote for Eloh.

I do think LC might be bad but I don't feel sure, so whoever said that, you aren't alone.

Sprityo is in a similar situations on as sig for me, somewhat active and still forgettable

I would consider a vote there. Can you recap your case for me?

Phone posting, with guests over, sorry