The Syndicate

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] the word it adds is for search purposes. It's a word we wouldn't use in just normal mafia conversation so when the host is tallying the vote count all they have to do is search the thread for that word. For that reason I recommend you try not to say that word so it keeps the host's job as simple as possible.

Also hi game! I've been reading just been busy and not gotten to post before this.

It still helps if we want to search and see vote order.

The last couple days have been a little crazy, so I sincerely apologize for not being here. Here are my thoughts on what I remember from the thread so far:

I don't think INH is bad
I don't agree with his opinion that Day 1 reads are useless.

I have a split shift today so I'm going to try and give you more from me when I am home and before the vote. And I am off a lot in the next week and a half so I'll be better I promise.

Not sure really, I would say tone and I don't see why a mafia would respond to you that way. This early in the game it would be a more understandable response to be cool about getting some suspicion.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:59 pm

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:09 pm Checking in. Visiting with Blooper's parents, so will give this the attention it deserves tomorrow.

What sort of attention does a game of this magnitude with themes and roles and intricacies from the entire year leading up to this point deserve?

The sort of attention that begins with a read of the thread and a consideration of the mechanics. That leads me to like INH and dislike Sloonei right off the bat: INH is willing to entertain that we should reconsider Day 1 play because of the haiku, while Sloonei just wants to charge ahead with business as usual.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:49 am ]I don't care about who we may or may not be able to lynch. Today should be pursued just the same as any other Day 1. This is not something I will worry about today.

I also find Sloonei's attitude toward the button rather cavalier. If the button behaves the same way as in the original game and redistributes all roles, I would think the towniest approach would be to press it immediately, rather than at some random time later in the game. That way we remove the possibility of role shuffling early; if roles shuffle after we do a bunch of reading work, then all that progress gets cast aside.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:50 pm I was the original Button Pusher in CC-123. It redistributed all the roles in the game. Pushing the button is a good idea any time, anywhere. Push it real good.

Other than that, Scotty reads good to me based on general helpfulness and inquisitiveness. I gut like sig because his thoughts on the button and haiku posting agree with my own. Mildly concerned about G-man given his one post with no effort to either contribute or explain an absence.

I'm going to go ahead and say for the record — I sent in a haiku. Anyone else willing to make that claim?

I am bothered by to think we fac you put INH pushing discussion of the haiku submission as pro civ. I see it as something that would not be in INH's favor. It looks more like looking civ by generating discussion without actually helping the civs at all. No mafia member is going to say, yeah I didn't send one in! Because why would they do that? It just seems like it would only result in muddying the waters, give the baddies something to hide behind.

The fact your see it so differently gives never pause. And in fact you want others to claim too. I dunno Boom. I think I'm putting my vote on you today.

[VOTE: Boomslang] aubergine

Ok after a really long and frustrating day at work, I'm finally home and catching up.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 9:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 7:33 pm I think Boomslang is the best suspect to emerge from Day 1. The way he tried to frame me as bad felt errant and shady, his vote for sig was weakly justified, and daisy's gripe about his treatment of INH is a valid criticism as well, I believe. Let's talk about him a little.

Boomslang is my top town read.

Why?

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 10:17 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:37 pm
I am bothered by to think we fac you put INH pushing discussion of the haiku submission as pro civ. I see it as something that would not be in INH's favor. It looks more like looking civ by generating discussion without actually helping the civs at all. No mafia member is going to say, yeah I didn't send one in! Because why would they do that? It just seems like it would only result in muddying the waters, give the baddies something to hide behind.

The fact your see it so differently gives never pause. And in fact you want others to claim too. I dunno Boom. I think I'm putting my vote on you today.

Why does me wanting others to claim or deny haikus make me seem bad to you? Even if everyone claims to send one in, we'll produce a bunch of lie-checkable statements that someone could use to confirm suspicion of suspects come later in the game. I see nothing bad about wanting that information in the thread. Sure, it's not tremendously helpful if that's the only thing we talk about. But I think a discussion of this mechanic plays a welcome complement to other happenings.

In other news, Jack coming out swinging is a good look, although I don't get his statement about wanting to lynch himself if he was the button role (didn't play that game).

Also, bewbs.

I'm sorry for the typos guys, I was at work rushing to post and vote. We were slammed, it's been a shit day. Ok, to better clarify. You presented INH focusing on discussion of the haiku stuff as a good thing, and then you claimed and asked others to claim too. Let's consider if we focused on the haiku stuff. We would have had people claim they sent one and we would have no way of knowing if it were true or not. If we blindly believed them and limited our voting to the people who did not claim to have submitted a haiku then would we have been any closer to lynching a baddie? Unlikely since the baddies could just claim to have submitted one and thus avoided getting lynched by us. All that pushing this angle would do is sidetrack us from discussing people whose behavior might strike us as suspicious. So it looks very un-civ to me to push this angle. And my suspicion of you was based on the fact that you not only said this was a good look for INH, but because you seemed to continue down that path. It was a gut reaction to your posts.

LOL Sloonei, you're freaking me out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 3:11 pm Since I’ve talked about mostly everyone...

Marmot is null and likely catchable if bad and mislynched sometimes if good. Let it be for now.

Kyle is sick. Let it be for now. Did I tell him he wasn’t shiney in MK? Could be important for this game. Letting this be cause he’s sick.

@Spacedaisy

Come out and say things. I don’t have a read on you yet.

Scotty feels like town Scotty. Idk if I’ve seen bad Scotty though so this may be a worthless statement. I’ll still put him green on the board.

Sorry Jack and all, I'm traveling until Thursday. I'll try to sit down with the computer tonight or tomorrow and do catch up and huge you my thoughts. But right now we are getting ready for dinner.

Ok, I just caught up on everything from my last post to the end, now I need to catch up on the stuff before that I missed, lol.

At the moment, I don't understand why Sloonei is getting any suspicion.

But then I don't really get any of the cases right now. I still only feel a mild ping of Boomslang and I would want to do an ISO of him before I see if my feelings about him from Day 1 have changed.

Wow, lots of linki.

I'm still feeling Boomslang frankly.

He used sig's comment about being 70% sure he submitted a haiku as basis for a vote. But frankly I don't see it in the same light he does at all. It looks more like a lazy civ than a lying baddie. I mean, if bad it would be to his advantage to just say, "I submitted a haiku" and hopefully avoid a lynch because of it. If he was civ, sure he could go doublecheck to make sure he sent it. I just can't see a baddie just lying in such a weird way. It looks more like sig being sig.

I'm also reading Kyle as Civ for the record, his questions are good and insightful and strike me as sincere.

The other person I am feeling baddie vibes from right now is Wilgy. He looks like Wilgy in Mountain mafia. In that game I felt like, whoa, Wilgy is playing it straight, no big schtick, this is weird. And I said so in thread and I got poo pooed. Oh I don't want to vote for Wilgy because he's contributing without a big schtick. So I dismissed it and thought that maybe I was just off base. Guess who was bad? Wilgy. And I am seeing Wilgy playing a straight game again. I could easily put a vote there today too. In fact I think I will VOTE DrWilgy aubergine.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:14 pm Daisy’s post is weak and doesn’t answer questions I asked her.

How many of the recent Wilgy mislynches was Daisy around for? I wanna say “not many.”

What questions are you referring to?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:33 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2018 3:29 pm Ok, I just caught up on everything from my last post to the end, now I need to catch up on the stuff before that I missed, lol.

At the moment, I don't understand why Sloonei is getting any suspicion.

But then I don't really get any of the cases right now. I still only feel a mild ping of Boomslang and I would want to do an ISO of him before I see if my feelings about him from Day 1 have changed.

Wow, lots of linki.

You don’t understand it or you disagree with it?

Tell me about your opinions on my Sloonei/Sig w/w case.

@Spacedaisy plz

I can see why you might believe it, since Sloonei has gone back and forth and sig frankly has done little to seem like he has an actual real suspicion of Sloonei. However, I just ISOed all of sig's posts and all of Sloonei's post that contain the word "sig" and I came out with some pretty clear opinions on this. After reading the progression of Sloonei's posts on sig, his suspicions of sig and then by extension Lorab seems pretty natural to me. His actions seem more sincere in trying to feel out sig. But reading sig's posts, it felt like his responding "no u" seems to have only come when pushed by Jack. Nothing in his "case" for Sloonei seems sincere. Additionally, I think the fact Sloonei is eyeing Lorab as well seems interesting since she seemed to have made a stray post in the middle of the Sloonei/sig stuff. Which is part of why Sloonei looks more sincere to me. I don't believe you're seeing w/w here. I think it's either Sloonei town vs sig wolf, or town/town. I'm not convinced of sig, like i wouldn't feel comfortable voting him, knowing his kind of history for early mislynches. But I would put him as a light orange at the moment perhaps.

To be fair, I read their posts and not your case yet... I'll go back and find that now.

Uh are there puzzles left?

Sorry guys, I'm catching up at work right now. I'm fully back from our trip and I will focus more attention here.

I got home and volunteered for a puzzle and so now I have to toss a vote. I was up to speed as of a coupe hours before I left work, and I think the person I feel most comfortable tossing a vote on is still Wilgy.

Vote WIlgy with the aubergine type dealie.

I think Sloonei would be a good choice. Mr. Activity is most likely to make the most of the opportunity.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 7:41 pm Internet was out today sorry, also wow 4 votes y'all are making me very very unhappy. On the bright side looks like the other thread had more votes again. :rip

Or we just had immunity because we won the puzzle prize...

To everyone saying that Wilgy is playing like his normal self, please tell me you don't see a difference between his civ game and his mafia game...

Mountain Mafia, where he was bad: Posts

Pirates Mafia, where he was civ: Posts

Seinfeld Mafia, where he was bad: Posts, as Tim Whatley,
which has been renamed Juliet since

Great Gatsby where he was an 3P who could win with anyone: Posts

Pokemon Mafia where he is bad: Posts

Welcome to Night Vale where he was civ: Posts

Fiddler on the Roof where he was civ: Posts

I think if you look at these games you will see that bad Wilgy plays more straight laced. Good Wilgy uses gimmicks. Good Wilgy doesn't play like he cares, he seems to mostly just be having a good time. Bad Wilgy puts a lot more effort into looking good than Good Wilgy. Do not be fooled by him. I don't believe he is good. He started throwing in more jokes once this meta started to get brought up and I'm not buying this!

I have been doing most of my reading at work, which is why when I post it has more thoughts. I can't post as easily at work. So I know that when I was catching up once Wilgy started talking something he said jumped out at me and immediately made me think, "teammates." But I can't recall off the top of my head. I will need to find it again. I just don't have time tonight.

On another note, I think I was a lot more loud about the fact I didn't like Boomslang jumping on the dumb 70% thing. I get why it doesn't make sense as a statement, but I think Boomslang is a really smart dude. He should have been able to realize, that this statement is not one that logically would say "Baddie." So the fact that he based his vote on that dumb comment is what bothers me. in fact that is what bothers me about Boomslang overall. I have a high amount of respect for his intellect in general. And I struggle to find the logic in his suspicions. This could entirely just be a difference of how we think, that is my only hindrance in this. But I have no qualms about the fact I suspected Boom based on that. I think it's weird no one really talked much about the fact I took this strong stance about it. And even weirder that I don't even remember Kyle having made a big deal of it.

I don't have the immediate feeling of "TOWN" from Kyle that I have in the past, but I haven't had any kind of feel.

At one point in my read through, I had the thought that I believed either Boomslang, Blooper or both were bad but I didn't believe they were both good. I can't recall why now though. Perhaps something to do with how they interacted. I'll have to revisit to figure it out again.

Uh something else, I can't recall. Someone that had listed suspicion of me seemed fake as shit, but now I don't remember which one. Must research to recall.

That's all I can think of tonight. My energy went to researching Wilgy to decide if I was on crack or not regarding my perception of his meta. I decided that I don't think I am. However I will add this caveat. The older games lack this pattern. But I feel like it is present in all the games I checked from 2017 and so far in 2018. I didn't look through all 2016, I noticed the lack of it back in the 2015 games, but we're talking three years ago. I still feel fairly strongly that we are seeing bad Wilgy here. So much so I am willing to toss my vote there right now.

VOTE DrWilgy You asked for an aubergine fiiiiight, and I love you toooo. But I still think you are bad. But I love you, Baddie Badderson.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:04 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:34 am To everyone saying that Wilgy is playing like his normal self, please tell me you don't see a difference between his civ game and his mafia game...

Mountain Mafia, where he was bad: Posts

Pirates Mafia, where he was civ: Posts

Seinfeld Mafia, where he was bad: Posts, as Tim Whatley,
which has been renamed Juliet since

Great Gatsby where he was an 3P who could win with anyone: Posts

Pokemon Mafia where he is bad: Posts

Welcome to Night Vale where he was civ: Posts

Fiddler on the Roof where he was civ: Posts

I think if you look at these games you will see that bad Wilgy plays more straight laced. Good Wilgy uses gimmicks. Good Wilgy doesn't play like he cares, he seems to mostly just be having a good time. Bad Wilgy puts a lot more effort into looking good than Good Wilgy. Do not be fooled by him. I don't believe he is good. He started throwing in more jokes once this meta started to get brought up and I'm not buying this!

Daisy here's the problem. I've been purposely playing aloof as civilian for awhile now. People kept mislynching me because I couldn't supatown 5 games in a row. Now we are at a point where I want to play alittle more forward again mainly because it's the GoC.(Also did you see the game where I called out all but one of the baddies in emojis? That was fun.)

To argue this point with history however, did you see my performance during Vocaroo 2? What did you think?

This does make me feel better about you... it seems your vote on me was justified to you, but as someone who works very hard to purposely design their meta, I'd suggest trying to dispute what I've stated in this thread instead of the other ones.

I'm going back to bed now.

I played that game. I am not disrespecting your ability. In fact I have a high respect for you. Even in gimmick you have an eye for calling I think out. But your attitude is different imo from yourbadfie play to your civ play. And if everyone else can tie bread you for being "the same old Wilgy" (which I strongly disagree with) then there is no reason eh yes I can't baddie read you for not seeing the same old Wilgy.

I will however ISO you after work because your posts on this game have not counteracted the fferlibg I get from your tone and meta. But I can't unyilom out if work.

Calling I think out was a typo due to phone posting. It should have read calling baddies out.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:52 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:06 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:48 pm @sig why would you vote for me? What caused the flip flop?

What do you think of INH? I feel like he could be bad given how much he's faded the last few days. I know he just started hosting his own game, but he's provided next to nothing since Night 2.

I damn near forgot he was in the game, but I guess that's what my pickle with you earlier was about.

Unsure really. By association with or against (not really sure the best term) Scotty I'd say he's good but I'd need to reread to make an informed read.

You?

What a coincidence. It was INH that I was seeing a possible teammate connection to Wilgy with. Shocker. This is not something I would vote based on though because I don't even know Wilgy's alignment. Or even that the mafia have BTSC at this point.

On that topic, I've kind of had some thoughts about whether or not I think this is the case. The setup specifically says that when a mafia member with BTSC is killed in their alignment will remain. Which makes sense because if they flipped to civ they would simply out the whole team and game over. I think someone else mentioned mafia role(s) buried in the second roles. The fact that Golden specified the roles were linked and each player has two roles at game start but they only know one leads me to believe that either the game begins with all or some of the Baddies isolated from their teammates and some kind of game event will trigger them gaining full BTSC (I find this less likely because then you would be required to have every mafia member be a mafia member in their second role too, in which case, why even specify like he did) or there are mafia roles that will never be Mafia with BTSC with their teammates and the second role for that player is a civ role. Because of all this I lean toward the idea that either all the Mafia are isolated from each other the moment, or there is only maybe two teammates that have BTSC at the start. Most likely the second because the first seems like too big a handicap, ad the second would make up for it. Given that fact, two baddies who are in separate tribes make perfect sense. Again, it helps them to make up for their disadvantage. Additionally, Blooper's response to Scotty pointing out that her first role had BTSC with someone from the other tribe seemed very odd to me. If you were given BTSC with someone else, what is the first thing you would want to know?

Who are you?

Or, what thread are you in/what information do you have that I might not have?

The fact she said she didn't even know she was talking to someone from the other thread is really odd to me. How?

Anyway, all that blathering to spill my random thoughts about the game set up and suspicions that come out of it.

Right now I feel a solid town read from Scotty, I would put Sloonei just under him.

As far as everyone else, I don't trust any of you. I actively distrust Wilgy, INH, Boomslang and Blooper. Wilgy is still my most solid bad read. I would put Blooper and Boomslang about even in orange and INH between them and Wilgy.

Oh, also! If I'm right about all or most of the mafia being isolated/lacking any BTSC it would explain why none of the cases seem convincing or very spirited so far. Isolated mafia would probably want to be cautious not to accidentally lynch their own teammates.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:14 pm @Spacedaisy in what way is INH my teammate?

When I read that post it just read as super non-committal can go either way on INH kind of feel. Odder still when you consider how hard you defended INH from Sloonei at game start. It just struck me as odd. But that said, I don't have a strong feel on this, it was a gut response to one comment as I was reading through while at work. I wouldn't really even consider basing any kind of vote on this. Just laying out as much of my thoughts as I can.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:53 pm Our "inability to lynch" so far probably stems from our lack of consensus on the polls. The other tribe has simply been out-voting us so far. It we want to lynch somebody, we need to all agree on a name.

LoRab and Boomslang are my top suspects. I remain open to other names, but we are running out of time. Splitting the vote means another day of not lynching one of our suspects, and losing another one of our town reads. Or having one of our town reads lose a life, at least.

I don't plan on lynching Spacedaisy today, I'm using my vote for other reasons.

Why do you suspect LoRab?

Frankly I don't quite know what you are angling for here. I had pretty much laid all my thoughts out not that long before this post. I had INH as my middle suspect of Boom, Bloop, INH and Wilgy. I have not ISOed INH, and given his recent flip I'm not inclined to focus on him at the moment since his role has changed.

I just did an ISO on Marmot and for once I think I agree with Sloonei. Marmot is talking but not taking any real solid consistent stance. He casts votes with little or no explanation, asks questions of people and never seems to really go anywhere with moves that he tries to cast as being for some purpose or gambit or something. I am unimpressed with Marmot. And since INH's first death I'm a lot less inclined to think he is bad so I don't like the train on him currently.

I'll cast an aubergine MARMOT VOTE

I think the role didn't make sense as anything but a civ role. My suspicion of him was mostly based on a loose idea he might be teammates with Wilgy, who I still strongly suspect and would rather we lynch today so if anyone is on board with that I am down to move to Wilgy. But INH's role reveal looked civ. So why would I now want to lynch him? Any real suspicion of him I had before is negated by the role reveal. His new role could have changed his alignment, but I don't see any reason to believe that over any of the other people who are in their second role. And I feel like his emotional response is real. I don't know if it is alignment indicative or not, but I see no good reason to vote him.

I still solidly believe Wilgy is bad. And I resent that you keep saying people are voting for Wilgy being WIlgy when I am voting him for the exact opposite reason. I think we are seeing a more serious gameplay Wilgy and it makes me believe he is bad as per meta I have observed from him as previous Baddie Wilgy.

Look, you can go through my posts I posted a whole thing linking to his ISOs from games where he was bad, good and even one 3P game. So I have already given my thoughts on this, I don't have time to repeat myself. Clearly I do think he is playing to his Baddie meta.

As to the first point, you don't get what I'm saying. My point is my previous suspicion is negated by the fact I feel he pretty much flipped a civ role. And I have nothing since then that leads me to suspect him for being bad. So why would I vote for him? Just because he is in a second role? Is that what you are suggesting? If so I disagree. To borrow a sentiment from 3J, I am not playing against the hosts, I am playing against the mafia. I will cast my vote against those I suspect, not against those that I think the theories on setup could possibly make bad. That is not a solid reason to do anything IMO. I am not voting for Scotty because I don't suspect Scotty's play like I do Marmot's. In fact, I have for the most part felt like Scotty was giving me civ vibes.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:54 pm Daisy: What are your current thoughts on this?

(quote clipped for the relevant part)

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:59 pmGiven that fact, two baddies who are in separate tribes make perfect sense. Again, it helps them to make up for their disadvantage. Additionally, Blooper's response to Scotty pointing out that her first role had BTSC with someone from the other tribe seemed very odd to me. If you were given BTSC with someone else, what is the first thing you would want to know?

Who are you?

Or, what thread are you in/what information do you have that I might not have?

The fact she said she didn't even know she was talking to someone from the other thread is really odd to me. How?

Did Blooper ever respond?

Not that im aware of and I still feel suspicious of Blooper because of this. But I'm kind of hoping she will comment on it still.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:55 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:11 pm Look, you can go through my posts I posted a whole thing linking to his ISOs from games where he was bad, good and even one 3P game. So I have already given my thoughts on this, I don't have time to repeat myself. Clearly I do think he is playing to his Baddie meta.

As to the first point, you don't get what I'm saying. My point is my previous suspicion is negated by the fact I feel he pretty much flipped a civ role. And I have nothing since then that leads me to suspect him for being bad. So why would I vote for him? Just because he is in a second role? Is that what you are suggesting? If so I disagree. To borrow a sentiment from 3J, I am not playing against the hosts, I am playing against the mafia. I will cast my vote against those I suspect, not against those that I think the theories on setup could possibly make bad. That is not a solid reason to do anything IMO. I am not voting for Scotty because I don't suspect Scotty's play like I do Marmot's. In fact, I have for the most part felt like Scotty was giving me civ vibes.

Do you think Juliets and Golden are making alignments clear based on the first role only?

Isn't Scotty's first role bad?

If you're going to say that INH is good because of his first role, then you have to say Scott is bad because of his first role.

You're the one playing against the mods. You're basically saying "I don't think Golden and Juliets would give this power to a baddie."

I'm playing against INH and Scotty. I'm ignoring their powers and voting based on what they're saying.

I didn't say INH was good based on his first role! I said I hadn't seen anything in his behavior since his new role thstmakes me suspect him. And my previous suspicions of him in his first role were incorrect judging by the role he had so I don't old them in any bearing on INH in his new role. Stop putting words in my mouth, it makes me seriously istrust you.

Sorry I posted that thing in response to
Lorab before I saw your response Blooper.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:56 pm

Insertnamehere has died. He was:

39: Tina Wesson (Survivor). Each night, you will choose one player to inject with an innoculation to a particular virus. Any player who is given the innoculation will be unable to catch the virus and will be cured if they already have it. You may not target the same player twice.

Carry on.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] Could it be mafia, possibly. But it doesn't make sense to me if they did. It is the job of the mafia to decrease the opponents numbers to where they can control the lynch. So, if you gave this role to a mafia role they would essentially be only able to use it on themselves and that is it. Otherwise it's counter productive to their win con. So yeah, I see this as a civ role.

Now, that does not mean I trust INH now. It means I don't base my vote on what I thought previously about him because I feel like I was most likely wrong. So I dimiss entirely the suspicion I felt of INH 1.0 and INH 2.0 has not done something I find suspicious. In fact I find his frustration both understandable and seemingly sincere. This has nothing to do with his previous role. I don't give a shit about his previous role except the impact it has on how I felt about him while he was in it. Those suspicions seem to be unfounded. They therefore have no bearing. And you have yet to present a good reason for me to vote for him. I don't find him suspicious at the moment, nor do I find him trustworthy. I am not going to vote to lynch him just so we can kill someone which seems to be all your case is based upon.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:55 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 08, 2018 3:11 pm Look, you can go through my posts I posted a whole thing linking to his ISOs from games where he was bad, good and even one 3P game. So I have already given my thoughts on this, I don't have time to repeat myself. Clearly I do think he is playing to his Baddie meta.

As to the first point, you don't get what I'm saying. My point is my previous suspicion is negated by the fact I feel he pretty much flipped a civ role. And I have nothing since then that leads me to suspect him for being bad. So why would I vote for him? Just because he is in a second role? Is that what you are suggesting? If so I disagree. To borrow a sentiment from 3J, I am not playing against the hosts, I am playing against the mafia. I will cast my vote against those I suspect, not against those that I think the theories on setup could possibly make bad. That is not a solid reason to do anything IMO. I am not voting for Scotty because I don't suspect Scotty's play like I do Marmot's. In fact, I have for the most part felt like Scotty was giving me civ vibes.

Do you think Juliets and Golden are making alignments clear based on the first role only?

Isn't Scotty's first role bad?

If you're going to say that INH is good because of his first role, then you have to say Scott is bad because of his first role.

You're the one playing against the mods. You're basically saying "I don't think Golden and Juliets would give this power to a baddie."

I'm playing against INH and Scotty. I'm ignoring their powers and voting based on what they're saying.

Im in the camp that Scotty's first role was probably 3P. I don't know if that included a win con opposing the civs or not. Also, have no way of knowing if Scotty was a baddie with BTSC even if he WAS a baddie. And there is no way of knowing if baddies without BTSC come back Bad or Civ. The roles are pretty unclear. I am the one here who is basing my feelings about Scotty on the impression I have that he is trying to hunt baddies.

Then I have misunderstood why you are voting him. I will take a second look at your case sir.

[mention]nijuukyugou[/mention] I am not sure. I feel like it could go either way. It wasn't what I was hoping your reply would be, but I won't go into that. I just can't understand why the first thing nutella wouldn't have done is say, "Hey it's me, Nutella! I'm your civ BTSC partner!" Or ask who you were or I don't know. I still feel like it's questionable, but maybe not quite as questionable as I did at first. I wish I felt clearly one way or another about your answer, but I don't.

I'm very sorry guys, the last couple days since coming back from my sister's place have been filled with work, making plans for a move across country and celebrating the new job he just accepted since I wasn't here when it happened. I don't have a lot of time today before work, so I'm not sure if I will get caught up before I leave this afternoon. Anyone want to give me a Cliff's Notes version of the last 48 hours?

Oh yeah, Day 6 cbob dies. Ok. Well I am going to throw my vote on Wilgy to show that I still stand behind my belief in his evil alignment this game, seeing as how votes are pointless this time round.

VOTE DrWilgy aubergine.

linki: thanks for the recap Jack!

Ok folks, I apologize sincerely. I have spent my free time for the lat three days calling moving companies, airlines, hotels, looking at houses for rent... the list goes on and on and on. So I have been very sidetracked with a lot of real life responsibility and it makes me feel super guilty I have not been here like I should have been. I'm very sorry. I see there is a plan to lynch Marmot, so lynch Marmot I shall. VOTE MARMOT aubergine and shit