The Syndicate

Hello all.

this place is crazy packed with posts. Not catching up on all that. It's my birthday tomorrow! Fuck that noise, I've got better things to do than sit here and go through all that...

Someone tell me what to think please.

I'll catch up after my birthday is over. In the meantime, tell me who to suspect? I won't lynch Mac or dunya because they wished me happy birthday and I won't lynch Golden because he's my brain twin and I need to know if I actually suspect him before I vote to lynch him. The rest of you all are fair game.

What is my husband up to? Has he been suspicious yet?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:48 pm Lizzy isn't feeling the love atm. She's disappointed in people who think I'd lie about out-of-game related stuff. nah, that's definitely not my style.

Spacedaisy, since it's come down to this, can you be a character witness here re:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:17 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:10 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:28 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:59 pm every game Dom has been in with me, he ended up being inactive so this is actually the first time I get to play with him and I'm not at all familiar with his meta. from what I have heard, this seems to be Dom being Dom.

But your vote is currently on him.

Weird how I was inactive and people discussed my meta.

I'll elaborate on this.

She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?

suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?

nah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.

Nope. Don't believe this.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

they seem to not believe I've gained some info on Dom's playstyle through Discord chat with other players, and that I was fed some meta info on Dom through BTSC and I scum slipped right here.

What are you asking me for here? I can say a conversation like that would be very normal for discord, but I don't recall any conversation like that. Was I involved in this, is that why you asking me?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:14 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:12 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:48 pm Lizzy isn't feeling the love atm. She's disappointed in people who think I'd lie about out-of-game related stuff. nah, that's definitely not my style.

Spacedaisy, since it's come down to this, can you be a character witness here re:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:33 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:17 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:10 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:32 pm


Weird how I was inactive and people discussed my meta.

I'll elaborate on this.

She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?

suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?

nah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.

Nope. Don't believe this.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

they seem to not believe I've gained some info on Dom's playstyle through Discord chat with other players, and that I was fed some meta info on Dom through BTSC and I scum slipped right here.

What are you asking me for here? I can say a conversation like that would be very normal for discord, but I don't recall any conversation like that. Was I involved in this, is that why you asking me?

yea, you were. jeez, you forgot? now I do look bad.

Girl, I have the WORST memory! Jog my brain a bit, anything else that might help me remember? I don't think you would lie about this though so I'm sure you're telling the truth.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 12:22 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:27 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:17 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:10 pm

Dom wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:28 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:59 pm every game Dom has been in with me, he ended up being inactive so this is actually the first time I get to play with him and I'm not at all familiar with his meta. from what I have heard, this seems to be Dom being Dom.

But your vote is currently on him.

Weird how I was inactive and people discussed my meta.

I'll elaborate on this.

She's heard of my meta in games I never really played in? Really, my meta came up?

suspect af. who in btsc gave you an idea of my meta?

nah you were compared to other players to me in discord in the past when we were OT discussing prolific Syndicate mafia players.

Dom has been mentioned 142 times in Discord, and none of those were comparisons to you.

[VOTE: dunya] aubergine

I find this super convincing.

That s not what she said Epi. She said that someone has had a conversation with her on discord in which the comparison between Dom and other were made. The "to me" meant, it was said to me. Not that Dom was compared to other players and compared to her.

I don't think she would have called on me to verify this had happened if she was making shit up. It would only make sense to do that if I were on her team and were to immediately come in and say yes, can confirm. Which is not what happened here at all. I can't recall the conversation but she and I have had many conversations since we met and it would not surprise me one bit if we had such a conversation. And frequently our conversations are in between just she and I, by DM. So you can't say unequivocally this conversation did not occur. I can't say I recall the exact conversation she is referring to, but I believe she is telling the truth because it's the only way her request to me makes any sense. I think this is a load of bullcrap case personally.

Marmot voted for me? In a poll that ends on my birthday. I'll happily return the favor for him since he so kindly gave me his vopte instead of his customary Day 1 self vote. Wouldn't want him to feel too off missing that vote on Day 1 that is normally behind his name...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:58 pm Switching my vote to Spacedaisy because pretty much her only on topic posts so far are interactions with dunya which include a mild defense, followed by a step back, then a step forward.

Dude, there is a difference between defending someone as civ and confirming their story. I was asked directly by dunya to confirm what she was saying. She asked directly about a conversation between she and I that I did not recall. But since I know I'm not bad, she s unlikely to be lying about that particular point. I have no idea what her affiliaton is, but I have actually confirmed in my messages with dunya on discord and we have had a conversation about various players' play styles and yes Dom was one of them. So lynch her if you want. I have no idea if she is good or bad, but if that is all that you have against her, I can say first hand it is weak. Or lynch me instead, I don't care. Better me than a try hard civ.

Now, I'm going to go enjoy my birthday! See ya

linki @ lunalee: Don't care if it looks scummy. We are talking about a player voting for me that votes himself Day 1 every single game. So why is he voting me now? For weak sauce reasons.

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:11 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:10 pm I don't know what universe this is, but seeing Dom and I voting for the same person and actually not suspecting each other in any way whatsoever might actually make me cry. This is a first. I know it won't last, but dammit this is great. My oldest rival and I. Towning together. Is it too good to be true?

Keep talking like that and it will be.

best response ever

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:14 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:03 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:01 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 4:59 pm Marmot voted for me? In a poll that ends on my birthday. I'll happily return the favor for him since he so kindly gave me his vopte instead of his customary Day 1 self vote. Wouldn't want him to feel too off missing that vote on Day 1 that is normally behind his name...

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Careful, retaliation voting makes you look scummy.

Why would you care how Daisy looks?

Just a friendly warning. I did this in the image mafia game, and it made people suspect me later.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:43 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:10 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 24, 2018 2:58 pm Switching my vote to Spacedaisy because pretty much her only on topic posts so far are interactions with dunya which include a mild defense, followed by a step back, then a step forward.

Dude, there is a difference between defending someone as civ and confirming their story. I was asked directly by dunya to confirm what she was saying. She asked directly about a conversation between she and I that I did not recall. But since I know I'm not bad, she s unlikely to be lying about that particular point. I have no idea what her affiliaton is, but I have actually confirmed in my messages with dunya on discord and we have had a conversation about various players' play styles and yes Dom was one of them. So lynch her if you want. I have no idea if she is good or bad, but if that is all that you have against her, I can say first hand it is weak. Or lynch me instead, I don't care. Better me than a try hard civ.

Now, I'm going to go enjoy my birthday! See ya

linki @ lunalee: Don't care if it looks scummy. We are talking about a player voting for me that votes himself Day 1 every single game. So why is he voting me now? For weak sauce reasons.

I don't have anything against dunya though.

And your suspcion against me makes no sense.

Just so you all know, I'm working on a catch up right now. I am here, I swear. I'm on like page 30.

So I am working on my catchup, but I'm also keeping up with the new posts and this last thing with LC seems pretty damning. I have yet to come across the dunya case. But I'm going to go ahead and [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Whoa, also lunalee has 4 votes? What is the case there?

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:34 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:31 pm Whoa, also lunalee has 4 votes? What is the case there?

The most recent stand out reason

Ah, I see. Yeah it does look bad. Like Goldenthough, I might find this more compelling if LC flips bad. Is that all there is on her? Also, how does luna usually play? I've never been in a game with her.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:06 pm I saw the Luna post that Scotty quoted. I could see Luna being scum, even though I don't have any experience with scum luna meta, but I don't see that post as an indication of being LC scummate? I really don't have time to see exactly when it happened but if it happened during the Colin/Sloonei tie time then she could have been trying to save Colin by placing a vote on Sloonei and forgot what she had said about LC.

I'm actually more inclined to vote Luna today than LC.

(I say that because I haven't looked into LC in depth yet and I'm lazy. I wake up at 7am and have a 2 hour lunch then finished work at 5.15pm then have another meeting in an hour over dinner. fuck my life atm).

The case against LC is not dependent upon Luna being bad. What are your thoughts on the case Scotty (I think it was Scotty...) put forward for LC?

Thanks, I got all dressed up and no one even noticed!

I'm good! I got sidetracked by a couple other things and lost track of this again.... What's happening here?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:23 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 5:06 pm I'm good! I got sidetracked by a couple other things and lost track of this again.... What's happening here?

some kind of "mafia game" i guess. whatever that means.

are you a lot of pages behind

Yeah pretty much most of the pages. You?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:19 pm @Spacedaisy Did you catch up ?

Nope. And I probably won't. Don't let that keep you from voting me if you feel like I'm bad. I mean I can be a pretty crafty baddie. But I'm not about to hide behind inactivity, fwiw. My lack of activity is just because of outside stuffs. If you find me bad, vote me. Don't let my shitty time management keep you from it.

Yeah, I plan on just jumping in where we are now. I'm not saying I won't be playing or anything.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:32 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:32 pm Yeah, I plan on just jumping in where we are now. I'm not saying I won't be playing or anything.

Got any hot takes on the flurry of action around you?

Not really, I'm an easy target. but it's hard to say who might be good and bad from that. Low hanging fruit right here baby!

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:15 am I also read some previous Spacedaisy games. Novaselinever made a good point.

In Mafia of Unfortunate Events Spacedaisy fell behind for real life issues, but made a concentrated effort when she was around, and gave a long explanation of why she wasn't around. She was civilian here.

In Fiddler on the Roof Mafia, Spacedaisy was her, and she did specificallyrequest to be lynched. This was in an Endgame scenario where Spacedaisy was the only mafia left, but the pressure on her had been building, and supatown Mac was already ready to lynch her.


This game aligns more with Spacedaisy from Fiddler on the Roof. The exception here is that the pressure wasn't there. Spacedaisy's response to nova was much less provoked. Nova only asked if she had caught up on the game thread, no one (that I recall) was pushing for Spacedaisy's lynch.

Watch out for this one when I flip. His early reasoning against me was bad and he doubled down on it now.

Also good luck, I don't think my civ and baddie meta are that different. My involvement is entirely based upon circumstances and how far behind I fall. I'm not bad. So this flip will be fun. Frankly I don't mind being lynched, I really am not helping. But I love knowing you all can't read me.

I would give nova a pass because he misinterpreted my post as daring him to vote me. When it was really me trying to say I have no desire to hide behind non-activity. If someone legitimately suspects me, my absence should not keep them from voting me.

LOL, I didn't ask to be lynched. See above..

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:38 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:34 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:33 pm

Choutas wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:24 pm So daisy has 22 posts and she is the prime candidate?
Somebody explained, link me the case or something I don't see it.

I tagged her to ask if she has caught up yet, since it's been a few day that she's been working on that. Her reaction was bad and she was inviting me to lynch her if I read her as bad. It was over dramatic and there was no pressure or previous interaction for her to do that.

I played a game with her before and she did something similar as a baddie. She was pressured and voted herself while advocating her lynch.

Explain. Both of the underlined statements. I don't believe you.

It wasn't a genuine a reaction. It was over-dramatic and there were no pression whatsoever on her. I simply asked if she had caught up, and she could have answered honestly. She was taunting me to vote of her, when I hadn't expressed no intention of doing that.

Fiddler on the Roof Mafia. Last day phase, she was pressured and she had a similar reaction. She said to people to vote for her and that she's 100% for her lynch. She even voted herself. She flipped bad.

You are reading a dramatic tone into my post that isn't there nova. I was't being dramatic, like daring someone to vote or being aggressive even. I knew there was just no way I was catching up, but I am also not going to be a player who knows I am sucking badly at staying engaged and expect that is a good excuse for people not to vote for me. That was what I was saying. And when I flip it will become clear you don't know how to read me. Which is cool for me, because it means you'll have to keep guessing.

Linki [mention]Kylemii[/mention] It is not uncommon for me to invite people to lynch me if I think discussion about me is overshadowing the game and I need to be flipped to get something going. And it has happened plenty of times. What I do not do, is manipulate with emotional outbursts or hide behind non activity. But I wasn;t quitting or asking to be lynched. I was saying no one should avoid voting me because I have been low activity, if they legitimately suspect me.

lol, this lynch flip is gonna be hella fun for me.

Lynch away folks, at this point it should give you great fodder for future lynches. I was the easy lynch. Use it to your advantage civs.

Watch the Marmot.

Thanks Brain Twin!

Awe man... I could tie this up.

I went ahead and voted Luna to tie it up. But... I know nothing about her right now. It's only self preservation. I never anticipated there being a shot that I might not get lynched here.

Oh, I should say [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine because i don't know the particulars of what counts as a vote in this game or not.

Why is TH voting off the main wagons? Got a good explanation dude?

I'd love to hear it.

That last one was [mention]Turnip Head[/mention]

LOL, but if she flips civ, everyone is going to suspect me AND you now.

[mention]Golden[/mention] Here I thought it was just because you just knew me well enough. :sighs: Oh well.

[mention]M Plus 7[/mention]

How is his case for me strongly town leaning?

I never ever told anyone to lynch me. So please don't say that anymore. I said it shouldn't stop anyone from voting for me because I haven't been engaged.

Actually that is a lie, I said "lynch away guys" when it loked to me like I was losing by a landslide with something like four minutes left. I really did not anticipate a change in direction. But everyone is saying I was taunting people to vote me, and acting aggressively. You all misread my intent massively. I did not do this. And I never gave up and asked to be lynched either.

So I really hope [mention]dunya[/mention] that you aren't accusing me of somehow playing bad sportsmanship.

I know you are worked up at MP, but I guarantee you his reaction was passionate because he was shocked that I was the lynch candidate for two reasons. With a baddie flipped he expected someone who was thought to be connected to Colin to be getting lynched. And he could interpret my behavior and was pretty certain I am civ, which he is correct. I am civ.

That said, I don't think you are bad based on your reaction here. A baddie would be happy to see two civs on the chopping block and not get upset with MP because he made their job easier. You instead were upset at how he came in and his reaction and the way he came across. I am pretty confident you are civ.

So current reads:

Dunya - Civ
MP - Civ

Everyone else - ???

linki [mention]dunya[/mention] I have nothing but love for you girl. I understand your reaction, I think this is a case of crossed wires and emotional responses to things on both sides. MP definitely doesn't think you are dumb, or think poorly of your playstyle. I can tell you that for sure. We think very highly of you. I think infact that can be said of pretty much everyone in this game too.

Except for [mention]Turnip Head[/mention]. That guy is a jerk.

I seriously laughed so hard at Coitus... Laughed until I cried.

I eyed you because your reasons were bad. They still are.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:37 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:25 am I eyed you because your reasons were bad. They still are.

They're different then the first time.

I am having a hard time believing your suspicions are in any way genuine.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 1:26 am Hi, Spacedaisy.

Have you solved the game yet?

Linki: Sorry. I was busy earlier.

Totally! Vote Marmot.

Not really, I don't trust him but I don't know if I actively think he is bad. However, I think dunya and MP are good.

whoa, 85 guests... what is happening?

I don't put up with nonsense. They turned tail and ran when I showed up.

Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:27 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:25 am Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

I don't know you well, but I've played with you before. Guess what ? You were bad and did the same thing, you did last day phase. So, I'm not going anywhere from you.

No man, you can't think one game has given you insight into my entire play. You're wrong. And you're bad.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:25 pm I have speed as a town read, if I don't lynch him that makes me look bad

civs don't worry about looking bad, they worry about finding baddies. U Bad wolbre?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:54 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:25 am Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

what's the context for the red part

I don't understand the question.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 8:41 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:33 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:27 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:25 am Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

I don't know you well, but I've played with you before. Guess what ? You were bad and did the same thing, you did last day phase. So, I'm not going anywhere from you.

No man, you can't think one game has given you insight into my entire play. You're wrong. And you're bad.

How does red follow from orange?

Everything he said about me was wrong (untrue). And I believe he is bad. Pretty straightforward.

He thinks he has some correlation, one which everyone who played Fiddler with me can (and has in this game even) tell you doesn't work and even isn't true, I didn't act the same in Fiddler at all, and he yet continues to push it. He says I am bad. I am not, therefore he is wrong. I believe the reason he is wrong is because he is bad and I am the easy lynch after the Luna flip. And then, he will set up MP as well. MP is civ, dunya is civ, Jack is civ, I am civ.

Nova is bad. And I would bet whoever is on his team does not have a lot of experience playing with me, or like TH hasn't played with me in a long time.

I'm playing by gut this time folks. I tend to let myself be talked out of stuff, but I'm not doing it this time.

I'm still not sure about Marmot. I'll read him at some point. Right now, I'm coming for nova.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:55 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:45 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:54 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:25 am Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

what's the context for the red part

I don't understand the question.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 8:41 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:33 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:27 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:25 am Jack is town. I am going to [VOTE: nova] aubergine

I thought I was going to give him a pass because he didn't know me but everything I've seen develop since then.... Nope. I am definitely voting here.

I don't know you well, but I've played with you before. Guess what ? You were bad and did the same thing, you did last day phase. So, I'm not going anywhere from you.

No man, you can't think one game has given you insight into my entire play. You're wrong. And you're bad.

How does red follow from orange?

Everything he said about me was wrong (untrue). And I believe he is bad. Pretty straightforward.

He thinks he has some correlation, one which everyone who played Fiddler with me can (and has in this game even) tell you doesn't work and even isn't true, I didn't act the same in Fiddler at all, and he yet continues to push it. He says I am bad. I am not, therefore he is wrong. I believe the reason he is wrong is because he is bad and I am the easy lynch after the Luna flip. And then, he will set up MP as well. MP is civ, dunya is civ, Jack is civ, I am civ.

Nova is bad. And I would bet whoever is on his team does not have a lot of experience playing with me, or like TH hasn't played with me in a long time.

I'm playing by gut this time folks. I tend to let myself be talked out of stuff, but I'm not doing it this time.

I'm still not sure about Marmot. I'll read him at some point. Right now, I'm coming for nova.

But everything he said about you wasn't wrong. His interpretation of it very well could be, but you did in fact encourage people to lynch you in another game. There was some truth to what he said.

He also was pursuing you well before the Luna flip, so I don't get that reasoning.

No, he is 100% wrong.

He is saying I am behaving the same as I did in Fiddler but I am not. In Fiddler, I DID ask to be lynched because of the fact I was trying to look civ in a shrinking PoE pool. Here, I NEVER asked to be lynched. There I was not aggressive, I played like a civ, analyzing and hunting. Here I have barely even been present. There is literally zero correlation between the two.