The Syndicate

First game back. Don’t know if you all should be happy or annoyed.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:38 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 6:15 am First game back. Don’t know if you all should be happy or annoyed.

depends...are you team town or team scum? cos if you're scum, you're gonna break my heart, daisy.

I would never break your heart dunya! I’m town through and through.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] I actually picked this username for this game. I’ve been setting up for this moment for twenty years!

Town reading Quin and dunya.

dunya, why are you town reading TH?

I agree with dunya’s assessment of no lynch right now. I’m concerned about Luna’s joining in to toss a vote on TH for his suggestion though.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 12:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 11:28 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 10:28 am Town reading Quin and dunya.

dunya, why are you town reading TH?

I agree with dunya’s assessment of no lynch right now. I’m concerned about Luna’s joining in to toss a vote on TH for his suggestion though.

This post reads a little forced/robotic.

Obligatory reads.
Obligatory question.
Something to agree with.
Something to be wary of.

All of it stated without any whys.

I didn't see it that way. I saw Spacedaisy giving 2 townreads, one possible scum read (Luna) and asking me why I was townreading TH which could imply she wasn't feeling as good about him and wanted to determine what it was I was seeing.

I'm more concerned with people who don't give opinions on other people.

also I'm always happy when people agree that a D1 No Lynch is a bad idea.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:35 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:33 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:25 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:47 pm Ooooh dunya is scum for a fact

What about dunya looks scummy?

Meh I'm on the fence now. Does anyone feel like they have a clear grasp of what her town and scum games are? I know Daisy is townreading her.

My read is that if dunya posts a lot and seems excited about solving the game and is being helpful, then she's town. But I don't think I've played a scum game with her, so I'm not sure how good she is at pretending to be town when she's not.

This is not accurate. dunya hates quiet games as a civ. She tries to get people talking. How can you possibly have a baddie tell on dunya if you’ve never played with a baddie dunya. I do not like the way you look Luna, not at all.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:46 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:35 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:33 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 15, 2018 3:25 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 2:47 pm Ooooh dunya is scum for a fact

What about dunya looks scummy?

Meh I'm on the fence now. Does anyone feel like they have a clear grasp of what her town and scum games are? I know Daisy is townreading her.

My read is that if dunya posts a lot and seems excited about solving the game and is being helpful, then she's town. But I don't think I've played a scum game with her, so I'm not sure how good she is at pretending to be town when she's not.

She does the same thing as scum, even if she's not happy about it IRL.

Dude I need sleep. I misread your post. PkeSe disregard.

I’m not feeling a Luna vote any longer. Despite the early sketchy feeling I think the rest of her posts read with atown vibe to me.

I’m unconvinced that dunya would slip in the way speed is suggesting. I’m leaning town still.

I’m also not feeling a speedchuck vote. I am tentatively leaning civ here as well.

I’m going to do something noneof you are going to like, I’m voting Nova. Here’s why:

If Nova is civ and we do not lynch him, then if he continues to be a no show, the civs are effectively down another vote. It’s like an extra baddie kill. Because if he’s not here, then he won’t vote. I am always going to be a proponent of lynching MIA players. Not to be confused with low posting/activity players.

So all that to say, unless I have someone I am very certain of, I feel better voting for someone who isn’t playing. I will continue to do this in every game I play, because math people! Especially in a game this size.

I don’t feel like I have a solid bad read right now, obviously.

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine

I’m never sure of TH, dunya. That’s why I asked.

If he shows up before deadline I may reconsider. Because that changes my logic.

Missed this comment from Jay. Still feel more comfortable with my vote than anyone else. Not changing now.

Oh! We have more time than I thought! That may lead to me changing my mind...

Did dunya ever say why she suspected Dizzy and Sabie (Right?) as bad?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:54 pm I shouldn't even be here. But I'll be back later.

Space - Please go more in detail on your dunya read, if you can.
dunya - This is the real me and it's not a phase!

When do we get in a replacement for Nova? Blank spaces are boring.

I see dunya working to stir up conversation. I also see her tossing out a lot of gut reads. I can’t havedone anything to establish myself as town At the time she town read me. She’s either town or she’s buddying me. I don’t see anything else at the moment that raises any red flags, so for now I am leaning town on her. And I think her approach looks more town than bad.

I just ISOed Quin (it was almost as time consuming as an ISO on me would be :P) and I have to say I do not like this lynch.

I like the way Quin looks. I don't think he is scum. If he is bad then either TH or dunya is his teamie. But otherwise I cant see any reason for him to take such upset with people coming out against no lynch. If he was bad and none of his teammates are involved in the situation, what benefit is there to his reaction?

I haven't felt like dunya was bad. But she has fooled me before. But it wasn't over this kind of thing and I just think her behavior reads more civ than bad atm.

Luna, of those involved in the no lynch conversation she was the one that stood out to me. She didn't lead anything, but she put her support behind what dunya said about no lynches. Then she clarified that this is not where she expected her vote to stay, so a pressure vote? I do find it weird though that she seemed to have an honest reasons she suspected TH but then switched to Quin for just not being engaged enough? If Luna is bad she is probably protecting someone with votes, either dunya or Dizzy.

The brings us to Dizzy. Dizzy's reaction to dunya saying something about a godfather in response to speedchuck is interesting to me. It seems like I felt, I didn't see any of that stuff mentioned in the roles. But i kept quiet and just pretended i knew what was going on, because i felt stupid, lol. That said, I find it interesting that Dizzy questioned it in connection with dunya's answer, but doesnt seem fazed by the fact that speedchuck talked about a cop role. I would like to know [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] how you feel about speedchuck. In fact you also quote Turnip Head discussing how a cop and doctor should handle their roles. Given the fact that Dizzy only reacts to dunya and not so much to TH and speedchuck and the fact there are only two baddies on the team. I'm inclined to think this isn't a teammate tell though.

A question for all: How many of us read the set up before the game started? How many of us have read the setup by now?

This is frustrating, I don't feel like the top three vote earners are bad. I'm actually feeling Turnip Head and speedchuck at the moment. I feel like speed's question was crafted to try and trap dunya who apparently seemed to turniphead to have soft claimed cop? I didn't see this, but I'm not good at catching hints and soft claims. I wish one of them had votes still...

Is anyone around that might be interested in lynching TH or speedchuck?

I have nothing on sabie ftr, and obviously nothing on nova either. I'm hoping he will be replaced.

I just realized my board settings were for Pacific time. I have three more hours still to decide. Going to go ISO TH and speed.

Yeah I don't like the look of Turnip Head. He latched onto dunya from the start, jokingly at first it seemed. Then seems to have just stayed with it. He hasn't made any real case aside from her early PoE. Also, he hasn't really commented on anyone else, just seems to have agreed with the case put out by others on dunya. His only other commentary on anyone else was town reading speed and giving a totally non committal statement on luna. I don't like his look.

Going to read speedchuck and sabie now.

linki: Or like TH you suspected she was claiming cop and were trying to get a feel for that under the guise of trying to trap scum. I'm unconvinced of your motives right now. That said I haven't ISOed you yet, that may change my mind.

I do not think dunya is bad. Even less so with all the conversation surrounding the power roles.

Nah dude, I'm reading what you did and it was incessant questioning to get the answer you wanted. I don't know for sure it makes you bad, but I think yopu pushed until you got what you wanted. If you ask someone a question over and over, continually refining your point, eventually the person will see what you are wanting them to actually answer and give it to them. I don't know that you had bad intent, but I do think you overplayed it and that's why you got the answer you did, not because dunya was bad and slipped. reading it now it looks like you really thought you had something going into it though. Even if I disagree with your assessment of it. Going to finish your ISO and decide what I think of you. Then I'll ISO dunya to make sure I don't think my gut is wrong. For a second something I saw TH say made me doubt it, but when I read her response I felt like it was the civ response I would expect.

Actually, I misstated that. It was something speedchuck said, not something TH said. ISOs all run together if you aren't careful lol.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 12:44 pm Reread Daisy's ISO. It's not as bad as I thought. The couple of things that pinged me are just throwaway comments, and they may just be how she plays. It's been a while since I've played with Spacedaisy.

Out of curiosity, what were these things?

Ok, I think I am back to seeing you as town Speed. I like the way your reads develop, they don't just stay consistent. If you are bad you could've just held onto the dunya case like a dog with a bone and I don't think anyone would have seen you as bad.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] Can you tell me what about TH you see is town?

Going to read sabie first and then dunya now.

I like sabie's look. Sabie would be my last choice for a lynch. Which is frustrating. It means either Nova is bad or someone who is bad looks good to me.

Possibly Luna or Quin maybe?

I'll read dunya now.

No I really don't see a baddie dunya here.

I'm going to roll the dice and [VOTE: Quin] aubergine here, for the fact I could see a Quin/TH pairing. And I really think TH is a baddie here. Also Quin is the one that I feel has the weakest town lean from me right now.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:06 pm My first reaction is that I look like Quin's teammate

Yes you do. I could see dunya being his teammate as well. Or it could be Nova. Going to look back at other interactions with Quin tonight. But I already believed you were bad so I bet you can guess where my next vote will probably go.

[mention]sabie12[/mention] I agree regarding speed. I feel like the way his opinion evolved looks good. But my opinion was evolving as well as I read him.

That PR has a really strong power, which makes me think Jay was offsetting the power of one or both the civ PRs.

People I will not be voting for because I am certain at this point they are civ:
sabie
speed
luna
Dizzy

That leaves me with:
Turnip Head
dunya
Nova

I would put them in that order atm, barring any future interactions that change my mind. Because while we have nothing to judge Nova on, I see clear reason to connect Quin to either TH or dunya.

Glad we're on the same page.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 11:54 pm I don't think I interacted with quin a single time. I'd suspect me.

Not just that, but Quin came in here defending your comment about voting No Lynch. And I'm not inspired by the rest of what you put into the thread either.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:47 am

So why is Luna out of it? Quin is a busser and early distancer. I wouldn't rule her out of my POE just cos he threw a vote on her.

She also voted him, putting him in the three way tie. It is unlikely with a team of two you would do that.

Oh, sorry I should've read more before posting.

I really liked what I saw from sabie. To quote Dizzy "raisins"

I realize on another read of sabie's posts that I could be wrong though...

inki: I meant Luna voted for Quin

Also I don't think it's you, I think it's TH.

LOL, i totally think he would. What else could he do with three of us being cleared, especially you and I? And that connections were made before that. My suspicion of him is what led me to vote Quin. I said as much when I voted.

I don't think speed is bad, look at how his suspicion of you changed. I agree that his questioning was a bit like a coerced confession (I may have recently watched Making a Murder ) but I think he genuinely believed what he suspected. And I think Quin came in and argued it because he wasn't wrong. Just because someone talks about a no lynch, doesn't mean they are bad. And it looked like he was knee jerk reacting to me. Why would a baddie be worked up about it? He could have easily let it go, baddies want to stay under the radar, not get attention. I think he believed he could write it off as a genuinely logical argument (because he wasn't wrong), but he got caught up because of his lack of engagement for Dizzy and Luna at least and was kind of caught by my own PoE, because I trusted the other two candidates more.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] I'm fairly certain we are the most at risk for death tonight so I would encourage you to share your thoughts as openly as possible.

MAkes it interesting to watch it and then play mafia though. :P

I am not defending TH, I'm disagreeing with the idea that Quin would come in and defend his teammate saying something about a no lynch.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:06 am I know what it is I'm just saying it pings me. Also the first part about me pings me. There's one person here who knows I'm innocent but would want to lynch me anyways.

You think sabie is that person?

What are your current reads?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:12 am Daisy - town
Dyslexicon - town
Lunalee - town

dunya - townish
speedchuck - townish

sabie12 - suspicious

Mac - no read

Interesting. This list gives me pause. Thanks for sharing TH.

[mention]dunya[/mention] What are your thoughts on TH’s list?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:27 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 10:53 am @dunya What are your thoughts on TH’s list?

he took my biggest suspect besides him and tried to draw it out. he dropped all suspicion he had of me that suddenly despite my position with quin looking worse. looks like a good attempt to try and create doubt in our minds, but it makes me feel worse about him.

hope we hear something from mac.

We are.

On the same page I mean.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:58 am Also right after the Quin lynch flip:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:51 pm Hot Take: None of the Quin voters are scum.

That leaves:
Speed
TH
Dunya
Sabie
Nova

Nice job Quin voters.

I'd say pretty confidently that speedchuck is town.

I agree

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 11:57 am Right after the lynch results:

sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 10:02 pm Was gonna vote quin couldnt decide for sure glad you guys got him. Good job guys! One down one to go!

It could be scum sabie trying to give excuses for why they didn't vote Quin. Just an option for consideration.

I will keep that in consideration. I still put TH above sabie right now.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 17, 2018 12:19 pm Okay I want sure about this but now I see I have to. When I was asking all those questions about the baddies powers it's because i wanted to know if I could still be targeted if I told you guys I'm the cop role. Guess I kinda have to tell you guys now. That's why I've been so wary of the people encouraging it because I thought maybe they were trying to target me if I outed myself. But yeah I'm the cop.

And that was why I was town reading you. You could still be bad and lying I suppose though. I wish you would have waited until you needed to say this though. It wasn’t that dire yet.

The coast is clear now as far as baddie PRs, but you are likely to get killed tonight unless we have a doctor. If we do, then we are sacrificing a town lock to save you. you didn’t do anything wrong but if it was me I would have waited until it actually looked like I was going to get votes.

I think it goes without saying that if there is a cop they should protect sabie.

And sabie, definitely check TH.

Hi Mac!

Well shit.

Sooo... who is everyone leaning for their vote today?

TH... that answer looks like someone trying to loosen the PoE that’s closing in on them.

I’m putting my [VOTE: Turnip Head] aubergine down.

Maybe. I’ve been very open about where my vote is likely going from the get go.

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] Where are you at between TH, dunya and Mac?

Same question to [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention]

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 6:15 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:58 pm I don't know. I only just got here. Why are you all looking at me weird? Is it because I'm Australian?

In Australia it's already Day 3. Thanks for coming future man. Who did we lynch Day 2, and were they scum?

So you lean dunya or Mac rather than TH. I can understand the suspicion on dunya, even though I don’t suspect her as much as TH.

Lol, I seem to have forgotten to vote earlier, even though I thought I did.

Oh man, if I’m wrong I’ll feel silly.

His content. He started out with joking suspicion on dunya, moved to serious suspicion on dunya after Speed made his case. Never gave any reads on anyone else or seemed to be trying to develop any reads on anyone else. Then after the flip he shifted off dunya and seemed to be sheeping her opinions. He moved to pushing for sabie before she revealed she was the cop. Why? Dunya was the person it made more sense to suspect after that flip but he switches to sabie? It was a risk NKing sabie last night, since he wouldn’t know ignorance there was a doctor. He had called for her to check him, he had the most need for her to die imo. Unless they were doing it to keep from someone else being eliminated from an already small PoE. But I think TH is the one who most needed her to die personally, and therefore most likely to risk the kill failing. I also think his vote today for Luna looks really odd. It’s not real hunting, so I don’t see a civ in that vote. At all.