The Syndicate

I like the look of nova and Epi.

I am willing to entertain Epi’s suspicion of Juliets.

I don’t like the look of Luna. Her response to nova Is no good imo.

Also, haven’t read the whole outline yet, bummed to hear we don’t get lynch flips. I’ll go read the outline now. :P

I’m going to channel my inner aspen and ask some questions...

Does Brick get to choose from any player in case of a tie or no lynch or is he/she limited by to the players involved in the tie/no lynch? This Q to Speedchuck.

So we will not be able to tel the difference between an Axton kill and a witch kill is what I’m getting? This Q to speedchuck.

Is it worthwhile to try and find a way for us to given Lilith an idea who to target at night? Or is it possible to do so without role claiming or making oneself a target for witches? Q to the group.

So we’ll know when a martyr save happens... k. But Roland has no info to base the suicide decision upon. How can we use this? Just hope aroland has a good gut? Q to the group.

How does it help is Salvador know sthe role of the player they killed if Salvador is also dead from suicide...? Q to the group.

Maya, not a question a statement... we need to get Maya to end game.

Ah, ah! Maybe we can use the clown for Lilith! What if we decide as a group during the day who the clown should target at night with their pie? It won’t matter to the clown, the pies do nothing ilunless they hit a couple specific people, and if Lilith knows who is going to get hit by pies she can always target someone who is getting targeted and get info on how many witches we’ve got left. At least someone would be working with solid info then. Q to group.

Thought on nisha, Mordecai and Lilith be very careful about giving away your info in thread. Baddies are going to be watching for it.

Handsome Jack... hm. q to speedchuck, is double targeting allowed in this setup? Because if so, this is a potent role.

Wilhelm could make fake role claims a lot harder. No q, just thinking out loud.

Ooo we get info from failed soup kills! I like that, nicely done Speedchuck.

“For the purposes of this game, you may use the Borderlands role or typical tinyhunt role to declare targets.” - I have no idea what any of that means, can someone please explain?

New-U, OH! I see thegood it does to get info when you die now! And my double targeting question is answered too. Disregard those.

Death curse: once per game for each wotch or for the wotch team as a whole? Q to speedchuck.

Do dead witches continue to have btscwoth living witches? This will matter for those that go into Angel chat... q to speedchuck.

Final thought, Butt Stallion is a powerful thing that could really hurt us if we accidentally give it to a witch.

That was supposed to be my inner aapje not aspen lol

Oh I thought of a flaw in the idea of directing the clown’s target for Lilith, but I’m not sure it makes enough of a difference to outweigh the benefit. If we direct the clown’s target by public thread, and Lilith uses it then it will be obvious which target is Lilith’s andwhich is Mordecai’s. Is this a big enough drawback to make it a bad plan? Input please.

Ok I’m going back to sleep, just one last question.

What’s the deal with these poll options?

Role claims are a bad idea, bad bad bad. Don’t do it. Haveweestanloshed that yet?

*Have we established

Omg... so many typos!!!

Thanks Chuck!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:58 pm Hot take: Scum would be hesitant to vote “strip the flesh, Salt the wound” so Nutella, Sprityo Nova all town.

Civs can be hesitant of it for the same reason. I’ve been mislynched for less.

I’m going to vote butts and dead people though I think. For the lulz and also both those things are pro civ attributes of the game. In the off chance it does something, though judging by speedchuck’s reaponse it probably is just a check in poll.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:48 pm I don't feel real good about Daisy's long post. It seemed longer than it needed to be, like she wanted to be seen as doing something. Maybe she does that at the beginning of every game though I don't know. I may try to find a few.

I don’t actually do that at the beginning of every game. But I’ve been a bum the past few games and I’m trying to work harder. Also this game is supposed to not last long so I don’t have the time I normally would to ease into it. Plus, I had lots of questions and thoughts as I read the set up for the first time lol.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:24 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:15 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:39 pm @novaselinenever what are your thoughts about the entry posts?

I find myself unimpressed by Luna and Nutella so far. What do you think about Epi's thoughts on you?

What are you seeing about nutella? I know she's in Japan from discord so I didn't think anything about her first post. I think she said in a later post she suspected you and I can't remember the exact words but my take was that she just wasn't paying good attention yet.

Also what about Luna specifically? I haven't really taken that much notice of her.

maybe because I poked fun at nova's suggestions? oops

Actually the reason I felt bad about you was you seemed to flip flop on the idea when he turned his attention on you. It read to me like someone who was trying to appease someone who finds them suspicious. But I should read it again. Maybe I’ll do that now while I wait for my flight to board.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:20 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:13 pm Did someone actually paid any attention to the kind of claim I suggested? I'm talking about a loophole to counter the no reveal at death on lynches.

Since this is a majority lynch setup, we decide when someone gets lynched by hammering. I suggested that that someone claims just before getting hammered, not as a plea to avoid the lynch but as giving info to the town.

I get you nova. I'll be sure to claim if you all decide to lynch me.

This here is what seemed suspicious to me. But maybe you were kidding? I dunno. It felt like you had good reason for saying your thought it was a bad idea, so your reversal here was confusing to me and makes me suspicious.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:12 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:03 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:48 pm I don't feel real good about Daisy's long post. It seemed longer than it needed to be, like she wanted to be seen as doing something. Maybe she does that at the beginning of every game though I don't know. I may try to find a few.

I actually quite liked it. The pie suggestion is a decent one and she seems to be thinking things through, accounting for all the draw backs. Now while this is a lot of mechanical talk, I don't think it's a bad thing this early on especially since this is a pretty weird setup that none of us is familiar with. I've also been asking a lot of questions both privately and in the thread to the host, brainstorming about the mechanics and roles.

What's putting you off that post? The volume or the content?

I've seen somewhere in the past people going through a long discussion of roles or mechanics at the beginning and being bad. DDL rings a bell but I couldn't tell you what game. Maybe it's fine, just a tug in my gut when I read through it. Also I thought speed said to ask him questions by pm instead of out in the thread so that looked odd to me too. Didn't he say that or am I confused?

If speedchuck said this I didn’t see it. I didn’t read anything before my post. I saw Neverwhere was playing this and signed up blind. So if I wasn’t supposed to ask questions in the thread I apologize. He hasn’t said anything to me about it though, just answered the questions.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:48 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:40 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:33 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:27 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:09 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:39 pm @novaselinenever what are your thoughts about the entry posts?

I find myself unimpressed by Luna and Nutella so far. What do you think about Epi's thoughts on you?

I don't know what he means. I look the same at the beginning of every game. He seems to be trying to get people to believe he has some kind of inside knowledge. Maybe he would like to share specifics. I won't tag him because it messes up his browser and he says he reads every post so he'll see this one.

linki

You don't believe he genuinely feel that way about your entrance and you this game?

I can't read his mind. I don't know how he felt. That's why I would like some details.

You don't need to be able to read his mind for that. You're saying 'he seems to be trying to get people to believe he has some kind of inside knowledge' that's not really what he's doing. He just shared his thoughts on you and while I get that you're disagreeing with them, saying that he has an agenda behind them means that he isn't genuine not just wrong. Is that what you're saying?

Linki - Sound good

How do you know he's not saying he's got some kind of inside knowledge? Did he tell you that? Why else did he mention he hosted me if it wasn't to lead people to believe he has inside knowledge? Maybe he thinks he does, maybe he's just spinning. I don't know - thats why I'd like him to share what he saw there and what he sees here. It shouldn't be too hard.

I second this request from Epi. Can you show differences by posts from that game and this, so we can see specifically what is bothering you about Juliets and judge your suspicion of her from there?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:27 pm What did you like about Epi?

Generally I like the look of how he’s playing. I can see civ reasoning for his behavior thus far but I don’t feel like it’d be prudent to discuss it exactly. Me asking for an example of his suspicion is not about whether or not I think he looks good so much as whether or not I agree with his suspicion. Entertaining a suspicion doesn’t mean voting for her, it just means “I’m listening.”

But he hasn’t said anything else really to go anywhere with it, so whatever. And I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Juliets since then too, so in lack of anything from him that changes my mind I wouldn’t be voting her today.

I want to revisit something about Nutella, but at the moment yeah probably Luna. I don’t understand her sarcasm answer to my point regarding what I found weird. But at the same time as a baddie she could have taken the answer I practically handed to her in my post... I don’t know.

I gotta get ready to run my sim so I’ll be back after Juliets, I’m sorry.

First of all god I’m sorry! My step grandmother had me take her to dinner and when I got back I jumped into schoolwork and forgot the vote completely!!

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:18 pm Lunalee, yes I did read Daisy's entire post and looked back at the roles to see what she was talking about. I didn't respond because I boiled it down to two things she was asking town about and then it looked like both of those things she or someone else had thought of reasons why they didn't work. I did like the clown idea but iirc she came up with a reason why that wouldn't work - a reason I can't remember. I'll look back to jog my memory. I think you'll see what I mean when you read it and break i

I don’t like this. I said I could think of one drawback but I didn’t feel like the drawback to the clown idea was bad enough to discredit it. I actually asked for input and I still would really like it.

QUESTION TO ALL: Should we have a public target for the clown pie to help Lilith ensure she gets to use her power every night?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:24 pm This was the post where she decided the clown idea might not be the best. Now that I look at it again I do have a questions though. Daisy, why would it be obvious which target is Mordecai's? Or maybe someone else can answer it if Daisy is not around.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:12 am Oh I thought of a flaw in the idea of directing the clown’s target for Lilith, but I’m not sure it makes enough of a difference to outweigh the benefit. If we direct the clown’s target by public thread, and Lilith uses it then it will be obvious which target is Lilith’s andwhich is Mordecai’s. Is this a big enough drawback to make it a bad plan? Input please.

Oh Juliets this worries me. I flat out said in this post that I didn’t think it was a big enough drawback to offset the plan, how do get that I decided against it from that?

There is a role or power in the witches team that learns the targets of Lilith and Mordecai’s targetsbut not which is which. If it’s public knowledge who Lilith targets, then they know which is which.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:42 pm How about we lynch Nutella and let her enjoy her trip in peace?

This is the first thing you’ve said that I genuinely feel icky about.

I still lean civ. I hope so anyway because now your votes are worth two.

It’s not a civ mind set. Civs lynch people they suspect, not someone who is on vacation.

That said, I still think the whole of your posts look civ.

Updated reads:
Epi - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - Town
Jack - Town

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:34 pm @Spacedaisy what are your thoughts on the cop and oracle outting themselves to give us a witch?

I dunno, I’ve never been a fan of outing, but if they are in danger of being night killed it’s better than the info dying with them. I think they can make the best choice for themselves. I trust their judgement.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:41 pmLynch Sabie

I’m listening, why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:36 pmPass.

Then I’ll pass on taking this suspicion seriously. :P

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:54 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:39 am I like the idea of using the clown and the oracle as pseudo flips for at least one player. Plus, it will inform the oracle when the clown dies. Telling the mafia who the cop peak was is a teenie tiny downside that I don’t really care about.

Both the clown and the oracle should target Epi because Epi needs a pie to the face.

we also want to limit role talk because giving the mafia any indication you are what role is suicide for the whole town

that includes speculation on dead player's roles

This sure sounds like what a Mafia would say if Lunalee was Mafia.

Disagree Mac. Talking too much about dead people’s roles could tip the witches to who Lilith is. This post looks decent for Sprit. I think the witches will want to get us talking as much as possible to try and ferret out our roles for the soup kill and also to figure out who Mordecai and Lilith are.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:54 pm Like, how do we handle lynches if we can’t see any flips? Have we talked about that? What’s the leading thought there?

Cross our fingers. Have you never played a game with no lynch flips? I find you making me feel a littl anxious, like you seem off to me and I can’t put my finger on why.

muugen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:09 pm I don't really see the process of elimination by talking Town reads when we're supposed to be finding scum.

When you are identifying town reads, you’re literally eliminating suspects as mafia. This is the definition of PoE.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:25 pm

muugen wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:07 pm Instead dog continuously giving out Town Reads why not start giving out your scum reads.

I'd say the two that come to mind are Mac for not wanting share his reasoning on wanting Sabie lynched.

Spirityo for falling the lynch I don't believe I even see any indication for a FoS

Jack D0/1 was mostly compiled with Fluff and this DP seems to be Role Fishing

I placed a vote on Mac

Tell me what specifically about my plan is bad. Cause you characterizing it as role fishing implies you think it’s a fake plan designed to out roles.

Did I miss a plan you put forward?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:28 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 7:08 pm Not a fan of Muu's talk about night kill analysis just after Juliets dying. Feels pre-emptive. The vig point is moot since there could have been no vig shot on N1 all things considered.

There literally couldn’t have been a vig kill. I have a light townread on Muu for not reading the role list. Mafia powers are centered around town roles and I think they’d be very aware of them.

Disagree on muug. Other people have been hesitant about plans we’ve discussed and felt more like cautious civs to me. Mug feels like a wolf worried about getting trapped by civs utilizing strategy and PoE.

i realize I’m suspecting muug of doing exactly the same thing Mac accused Sprit of doing but there is a different feel in muig’s posts compared to day Juliets posts yesterday or Sprit’s.

Also Jack, I feel like muug trying to point at a possible big seems like an attempt to discredit any info we could possibly gain. I think he looks bad.

Speedchuck, are votes changeable?

Possible vig, not big

Juliets asked me about the role claiming to put a discovered witch and I was considering it earlier and I think it’s a bad idea. The angels can protect someone from a regular NK, but not from a soup kill. Do not claim imo.

Current reads
Town:
Epi
Nova
Jack

Slight Town
Sprit

Slight Bad
Sloonei
Mac

Bad
Muug

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:30 pm I find it concerning that spacedaisy says she can't figure out why I seem off. She's gonna be my guinea pig the check if votes are changeable.

Wow. Solid reason, that one.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:57 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 8:30 pm I find it concerning that spacedaisy says she can't figure out why I seem off. She's gonna be my guinea pig the check if votes are changeable.

Wow. Solid reason, that one.

It should be very obvious why I seem off. Why the uncertainty?

Because I wanted to read you again before I decided if I was jumping to conclusions.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:19 pm Question: Why would Mac suspect Sabie without giving a case?

Spacedaisy: Not worth thinking about

Interesting response.

Information you are disregarding: I’ve had Mac jerk me around before because that’s the way he plays and I don’t feel like wandering down that path. If he wants o build a case he can do it, in fact I’d love to hear it because I don’t yet have a read on Sabie, feel like she has slid under my radar. If he doesn’t then I will judge Sabie on my own, separate from his no case statement.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:29 pm At a certain point in this game, anybody who holds information is going to need to assess whether it’s more valuable to share or keep it secret.

Idk what else to say on this matter.

This is basically a description of every mafia game with disco role of any type ever. Thanks for the unhelpful fluff.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:37 pm I will put info in here in 5 minutes unless I hear a good reason why I shouldn't.

If you’ve already outed yourself there is no reason not to share the info.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:42 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:37 pm I will put info in here in 5 minutes unless I hear a good reason why I shouldn't.

Soup?

So I should be night killed and take this knowledge to the grave rather than be soup killed?

You e already claimed, you’re probably fucked. If you hadn’t claimed they might have tried a regular kill rather than a soup kill and the angels could have protected you possibly. But they can’t protect from a soup kill, so just put your info out there since you already claimed.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:49 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:46 pm Yo spill it out. The number of roles that could have information is low, you're a dead man walking if you're truthful.

Linki

You witch.

What's the hurry? The day is young. I don't want to do it and then have someone make a really logical argument as to why I shouldn't have.

Fair enough. Don’t rush. I suppose it could make a difference if there are multiple info roles, I just assumed one in particular.

Guys, don’t forget that NKs have the chance of being protected and Soup kills do not. That is a huge difference and should be considered

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:03 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:49 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:46 pm Yo spill it out. The number of roles that could have information is low, you're a dead man walking if you're truthful.

Linki

You witch.

What's the hurry? The day is young. I don't want to do it and then have someone make a really logical argument as to why I shouldn't have.

Fair enough. Don’t rush. I suppose it could make a difference if there are multiple info roles, I just assumed one in particular.

Do you even linki?

Doesn’t work properly on phone. Deal with it.

I agree with your assessment of Sabie in relation to Luna. Question, how likely do you think she was to include her teammate in her top three people she’d be interested in lynching list?

Sloonei could also be compatible withluna, since Muriel was absent.

That was exactly what I was talking about, Jack I mean.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:19 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:18 pm Sloonei could also be compatible withluna, since Muriel was absent.

Lol what?

Mac has revealed Luna was a witch. So now we can look at who Luna is compatible with. Muriel was replaced by Sloonei because Muriel was absent. With no interaction to judge from Alina could conceivably had been teammates with Muriel/Sloonei.

Unless I’m mixed up bad missing something I thought this was straightforward. Am I confused?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:21 pm Sprit and Epi are front-runners for scum compatibility with a potential witch Luna.

Explain why you think this?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:25 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:21 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:19 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:18 pm Sloonei could also be compatible withluna, since Muriel was absent.

Lol what?

Mac has revealed Luna was a witch. So now we can look at who Luna is compatible with. Muriel was replaced by Sloonei because Muriel was absent. With no interaction to judge from Alina could conceivably had been teammates with Muriel/Sloonei.

Unless I’m mixed up bad missing something I thought this was straightforward. Am I confused?

Of course, they "could" be compatible. That's like default compatibility.

It's similar to scum-reading someone that hasn't posted. They could be scum lol

So you want to ignore a possibility? That’s seems incredibly shortsighted to me

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:28 pm Aside from the pity party does anyone object macs statement or are we gonna collectively not care enough to speak against it and let it happen?

I have seen no pity party.

I’m not thrilled we might lose his power this early, but we should use it for what it’s worth imo.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:31 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:21 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:19 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:18 pm Sloonei could also be compatible withluna, since Muriel was absent.

Lol what?

Mac has revealed Luna was a witch. So now we can look at who Luna is compatible with. Muriel was replaced by Sloonei because Muriel was absent. With no interaction to judge from Alina could conceivably had been teammates with Muriel/Sloonei.

Unless I’m mixed up bad missing something I thought this was straightforward. Am I confused?

I wanted to say, it’s impossible within the roles list mac would know for certain Luna is scum

You should read the roles list again

I’ll follow you guys. Right now I’m feeding Jack Sabie and Possibly Sprit or Sloonei if the first two are wrong.

Feeling, not feeding.

I’ll vote Jack if that’s where we want the majority today.

Wait...

Jack was the one who pushed through the use of the pie plan which enabled you to get this info in the first place. Would he do that as a witch do you think? It’s why I had him as a town read.

Lol, I give up on this night. I’m going away for a bit. Later

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu

I looked up at the clock and realized I did it again. He worst part is I wasn’t even doing a damn thing!