The Syndicate

OK, so are we ALL in here now, or did we just flip camps?

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:28 am The players have been randomly split into two tribes. Your tribe is the Cerberus tribe. The players currently alive here are:

Boomslang
Dragon D. Luffy
LoRab
Nijuukyugou
Quin
Speedchuck
S~V~S
colonialbob
dom
insertnamehere
sig

When using targeted abilities, you may only target people on your tribe.

The following two roles were present in this tribe at game start:

39: Tina Wesson (Survivor). Each night, you may choose one player to inject with an innoculation to a particular virus. Any player who is given the innoculation will be unable to catch the virus and will be cured if they already have it. You may not target the same player twice.

42: The button (Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3). The button does something - do you want to press it? You may press the button at any time.

Please remember that there is NO INFODUMPING of any kind allowed.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

ISOs

Boomslang
DrWilgy
insertnamehere
JackofHearts2005
Kylemii
LoRab
Marmot
Nijuukyugou
Scotty
sig
Sloonei
Spacedaisy

Oooooh, nice! We split up!

Now see, I thought the cancelling all night powers was pro town, cause it cancelled a kill.

But I don't think that the way first roles sound has any bearing on affiliation. Look at LC's first role, look at me.

and [mention]INH[/mention] no one voted for me, I made sure of it, so no worries about having to cure anyone.

So who is bad?

By us, Chuck was revealed as a civ role, I am not 100% with that, but it's gut and vibes, so

Chuck, what do you think of DH? I may or may not have already asked you this, I forget.

linki @ Chuck, probably to make it terrifying yet also interesting.

Yikes, sorry.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:53 pm Now see, I thought the cancelling all night powers was pro town, cause it cancelled a kill.

But I don't think that the way first roles sound has any bearing on affiliation. Look at LC's first role, look at me.

and [mention]INH[/mention] no one voted for me, I made sure of it, so no worries about having to cure anyone.

So who is bad?

By us, Chuck was revealed as a civ role, I am not 100% with that, but it's gut and vibes, so

Chuck, what do you think of DH? I may or may not have already asked you this, I forget.

linki @ Chuck, probably to make it terrifying yet also interesting.

So LC is the only fully dead person in the game? A baddie? Woot sweet!

linki @ hostie, Thanks

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:57 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:53 pm Chuck, what do you think of DH? I may or may not have already asked you this, I forget.

I think DH is town. (He's also not in this tribe)

But he mindmelded with me pretty often, and his scumhunting has seemed genuine in motive. He hasn't been opportunistic or pushy.

I know he isn't in this tribe. We can't discuss prior thoughts on people in the other tribe?

That was why I asked, though. He isn't here. He mindmelded with you while defending LC. That concerns me; it doesn't concern you?

Links @ DDL, still civ

Linki @ host, Aww that sounds like a cool role.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:06 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:04 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:57 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:53 pm Chuck, what do you think of DH? I may or may not have already asked you this, I forget.

I think DH is town. (He's also not in this tribe)

But he mindmelded with me pretty often, and his scumhunting has seemed genuine in motive. He hasn't been opportunistic or pushy.

I know he isn't in this tribe. We can't discuss prior thoughts on people in the other tribe?

Of course you may, but you can only interact with, target etc people on your own current tribe just as before.

I was kind of asking Chuck, but thanks! Helpful host is helpful.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:07 pm mfw people from this tribe are so bored only us new members are posting

End this tribe system already plx

I bet if the Button Pusher knew what the button did they would have pushed it long ago.

I will read this thread tomorrow after work, hopefully we get some Cerberii who post synopsii.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:04 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:57 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:53 pm Chuck, what do you think of DH? I may or may not have already asked you this, I forget.

I think DH is town. (He's also not in this tribe)

But he mindmelded with me pretty often, and his scumhunting has seemed genuine in motive. He hasn't been opportunistic or pushy.

I know he isn't in this tribe. We can't discuss prior thoughts on people in the other tribe?

That was why I asked, though. He isn't here. He mindmelded with you while defending LC. That concerns me; it doesn't concern you?

I am of the (biased) opinion that making stupid blunders and opposing the natural order when you KNOW you will fail is a civ-looking thing to do. LC's teammate would not have defended him, methinks.

WIFOM on that all you want, but that's my opinion.

Cool, I just wanted to ask without DH thinking I was giving him grief. That was all so weird, I just wanted your take on it. You think DH is a civ, you no longer think Dom is bad, everyone who defended LC just made a mistake.

See, seeeing LC's role flip as someone who could make someone appear as any role they like would make me think a person might defend a teammate. And WIFOM. But yeah, woulda coulda.

But moot point, and I wanted to get it out of the way. As DDL said, the host made a post with your role in it. And as I said, I am sure I will get no traction with this, so I look forward to making new suspects

linki @ chuck, Jack O'H died twice? I have to look at my cheat sheet.

If there is another anti town that is NOT a team then they are prolly original Cerberii since until me (and I was NKed on an even night) all the kills were here. I can see 2 teams, or one team and an SK, but not two teams and an SK.

And I wasn't townfirmed, I was just annoying, and I got NKed.

Was Jack annoying?

I think one non violent one

Hi Cerberii !

Does Nijuu have any clue who would kill her? Epi was obsessed with this trying to figure out who was bad day 2 based on Nijuu getting NKed.

Also how many bad teams you all think we have? I think two different kills, I think the day 1/3 kills were made by someone with a different mindset than the 2/4 kills. I was killed by the same (presumably) team as the 2/4 kills, INH and Scotty. I was moderately aggressive in lynching LC, so i was guessing they went for me for revenge.

Best theories on who killed who and why?

Day killed? For some reason I thought INH was a night kill? That makes me think my giant 96 paragraph theory on two teams was crap, lol. I have to go reread my host posts, and the host posts here, too. But I am done for tonight.

We lynched everyday, byt have only the one totally dead person, LC.

And we did have someone taking people off the polls, plus we had Refrigerator, a role that Haiku cursed people. And we had a town crier, widely believed to be Sprityo.

What did Sloonei say about us?

I will read it in the AM, I am fried, night people new and old.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 7:12 pm Sloonei, tell me about Pikachu. Why was LC lynched?

I saw some people accusing him of faulty logic in earlier phases, I think. I don't recall who was saying these things though. I never read LC well, and he wasn't the most prominent name in any of the discussions that I read. He would not have been my preferred lynch over there.

OK, my take on this.

Before he took suspish, him and Quin sparred a bit, as Quin keeps reminding us.

LC made a post where he mentioned "Cerberus". No one noticed this, until Dom pointed it out. He asked how LC knew the name of the other tribe. Before anyone answered, Dom asked Nutella and I what we thought of it, maybe he asked us because we were old time Lostpedia players. We both said something like, "He is prolly just using it as an example, it used to be his player name on LP".

At that point, he could have come in and said, yup, that's it.

But (and I don't know how important this is, I just bring it up because otherwise I don't get why LC said what he said) then I said something like, "Well, let's see what he says. And since Sloonei is here, if that really is their name, he will need to have a story that will convince them as well as us." (Maybe this is why what happened happened, but I don't know for sure. But I honestly don't get why he would say what he said otherwise).

Then LC came back and said, "The hosts told me before the game, we were talking about the tribe names, and I suggested Cerberus for the lulz"

And ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE.

LC (and Chuck) almost immediately deflected to Dom. "Well oh yeah, Dom knew it too!! Otherwise how could he point it out." kinda thing.

A few people posted something like, "LOL, *VOTE LC*". At some point, someone, maybe Quin, pointed out that Sloonei was long gone from our thread when LC made the slip.

There was some back and forth, slips arent real yada yada, then after his first role flip there was a lot of discussing of his role, well that sounds civvie, no it doesn't yada yada. DH came in right after the reveal and says, "Well, that's that." and seemed to think the role flip vindicated LC. He dropped that, though.

On the second lynch, LC came back, and elaborated on the "hosts told me" story with "MP was there too" (extraneous details make lies more believable), and they had this discussion on Facebook.

ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE again. That damn hell won't stay put.

Most people voted immediately for LC. I think DH did too, but I don't recall the vote order.

Chuck and LC tried aggressively again to lynch Dom.

I kept asking people if they REALLY thought the hosts told LC and MP, two potential GOC players game secrets on Facebook, every single time someone seemed to be wavering away from voting LC.

At one point, DH said If LC flipped civ, I was obvs bad because I did not give him a chance to defend himself, I kept casting doubt on him (???????????). But he eventually started to tow the party line, him and LC had a big happy, "Sorry bro but you're bad", "No worries you did what you had to do" convo.

LC died and flipped as a role that could make someone look like another role on death.

Chuck almost immediately dropped Dom as a suspect. DH started saying he lynched LC.

PIKACHU PEEPS, is any of this wrong?

At some point, Chuck, using the Maths, determined that he and Quin were "townfirmed" based on LC's & DDL vote manip powers in their first lives.

Then the host made a post with Chucks role saying he was a civvie (it was random, not a night/lynch post, it came mid cycle).It was a role from Elemental, and had random effects depending on elements chosen. But definitely a civ.

And that is the story of LC's death.

I found this post looking for Slooneis thoughts on Pikachu, so I figured I would get that out of the way. I have to head to work, but will be around tonight and most of tomorrow.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Mar 17, 2018 6:36 am I think that's a pretty accurate summary, except DDL didn't vote LC #2 either. I suspect him for that, but I know Epi was very adamant about his being town and I town-read him, so I want to look at fresh meat instead.

That's right, I forgot about that. He voted DH, right?

Well, when you put a bunch of blabbermouth know it alls in a thread (and no name calling here, I place myself at the top of that blabby arrogant heap) this is what happens, yes?

LC DID make a remark about how Cerberus was gonna get annoyed that we (Pikachu) were hogging the lynches between poll end and post

Which reminds me, have all Pikachu's checked in? Is anyone haikued?

If we did not take Refrigerator with us I will be pleased but I will also be disappoint since I will be wrong about yet another thing lol.

But since the button was pushed before the end of the phase, we won't be really clear on that until another night has passed.

As I am catching up here I am gonna make several posts rather than one big one just with impressions. If I have any questions that are not rhetorical, I will large bold it since I expect people to skim these. Also for those who may not recall, I tend to make lots of posts in a row. Sorry to those who find that annoying, I yam what I yam.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:39 pm

INH is the player who stands out to me as well, but I would be willing to consider voting for him (I mean, we have to pick someone and so far a handful of peopoe haven't even checked in). INH has made a few posts that have just consisted of easy observations about game mechanics. They do nothing to move the needle in his favor, but they give the impression of a player who wants to appear involved.

Good thing Sloonei wasn't over at our thread, there were YUGE mechanics discussions, just YUGE. A large chuck of Day 1 (2, maybe?) was taken up by Epi and someone else discussing mechanics. If that was all people talk about over days, yeah, suspish. If they make 3 posts about it before anyone else shows up in a game consisting completely of mystery mechanics, um what?

Quick question to Cerberus, have any of Slooneis reads lead anywhere concrete? Has he been one voice among many, or has he been, in effect, the leader? I have not gotten to the point where he watched us yet, and I presume he is considered a strong civ since you chose to send him over. I don't know if it's becasue I am reading him in isolation, but he seems overly aggressive. I recall him being an aggressive civ, but this feels over the top. SO reads from you guys on him (or whoever) would be helpful.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:37 pm

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 2:55 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 12:59 pm

Boomslang wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 8:09 pm Checking in. Visiting with Blooper's parents, so will give this the attention it deserves tomorrow.

What sort of attention does a game of this magnitude with themes and roles and intricacies from the entire year leading up to this point deserve?

The sort of attention that begins with a read of the thread and a consideration of the mechanics. That leads me to like INH and dislike Sloonei right off the bat: INH is willing to entertain that we should reconsider Day 1 play because of the haiku, while Sloonei just wants to charge ahead with business as usual.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 24, 2018 12:49 am ]I don't care about who we may or may not be able to lynch. Today should be pursued just the same as any other Day 1. This is not something I will worry about today.

I also find Sloonei's attitude toward the button rather cavalier. If the button behaves the same way as in the original game and redistributes all roles, I would think the towniest approach would be to press it immediately, rather than at some random time later in the game. That way we remove the possibility of role shuffling early; if roles shuffle after we do a bunch of reading work, then all that progress gets cast aside.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 10:50 pm I was the original Button Pusher in CC-123. It redistributed all the roles in the game. Pushing the button is a good idea any time, anywhere. Push it real good.

Other than that, Scotty reads good to me based on general helpfulness and inquisitiveness. I gut like sig because his thoughts on the button and haiku posting agree with my own. Mildly concerned about G-man given his one post with no effort to either contribute or explain an absence.

I'm going to go ahead and say for the record — I sent in a haiku. Anyone else willing to make that claim?

I am bothered by to think we fac you put INH pushing discussion of the haiku submission as pro civ. I see it as something that would not be in INH's favor. It looks more like looking civ by generating discussion without actually helping the civs at all. No mafia member is going to say, yeah I didn't send one in! Because why would they do that? It just seems like it would only result in muddying the waters, give the baddies something to hide behind.

The fact your see it so differently gives never pause. And in fact you want others to claim too. I dunno Boom. I think I'm putting my vote on you today.

[VOTE: Boomslang] aubergine

We all pretty much claimed immediately, whether or not it was true was another thing.

While we talked more, you guys seemed to have a much more aggressive day one up to the point where I am, at least tone wise. Lots of names thrown around for some pretty weak reasons.

OK, these posts from Sloonei and sig are amazeballs. Pikachu has a lynch, Cerberus doesn't, and they automatically jump to what appears to be the correct conclusion with zero knowledge of how the vote went down on the other side?

On Day one, Epi, Nutella, LC, & Chuck voted for Quin at Pikachu. nijuukyugou, insertnamehere, and Scotty. How did these two know how many people voted for Quin?

sig wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:52 pm Quin? Am I missing something here.

linki: Yeah I'd assume which ever group has the most votes for a player gets the lynch.

I find this intriguing in SO MANY WAYS!!

Literally 4 minutes after the lynch post sig made this post replying to Sloonei.

What information did you have, sig, to make this supposition so fast?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Feb 25, 2018 6:51 pm So we appear to be sharing a lynch with the other tribe and they wanted to lynch Quin. I declare this a bad decision on their part.

While I agree it was a ridiculous lynch to make on Day One, it looked like a last second save of someone else. How can you and Sloonei come to this simultaneous decision that it was a bad lynch having no clue as to why we lynched him? Becasue while the first part of your post, the "Quin?" part, that could be read as "I don't get why Quin, who is not here, is revealed as the lynched", but your second part, about WHY he was lynched, puts the lie to that, becasue you seem to understand WHY Quin is lynched, and not Jack, in agreement with Sloonei.

Has this been discussed here at all?

You are next on my read list, sig, and just shot to the top of my hit parade with this post. As did Sloonei, but he isn't here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:00 pm This is dumb. Stop suspecting me.

OK, I am going to skip to the challenge and read his thoughts on us, then I am going to give up reading people who are not here and concentrate on those that are.

EBWOP: "nijuukyugou, insertnamehere, and Scotty voted for Jack O'H here at Cerberus"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:07 pm

@Sloonei, is there any player on their side that you wpould hope to see lynched? Can you call anyone over there a supatown?

I would prefer to keep those reads to myself for now.

This is who you voted to spy for you, lol?

I just got to the end of the period he could watch Pikachu, and all he talked about was mechanics and our ideas like how the NKs were conducted, but zero about players and reads. Sloonei seemed to spend most of his time that day writing ISOs on Cerberus folk. I will skim ahead, but so far I am surprised you guys let him do this, keep his reads to himself.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 04, 2018 7:50 pm vote LoRab aubergine

The other tribe is making us look like chumps and there's a reason they keep beating us on the lynch game. If my latest theory about the lynch/nightkill alternating between tribes then I'd like to lynch one of our own so that our top town reads can stop losing their first lives. But if we're going to do that we need to actually reach a consensus. I think I'm developing some town reads, so the POE field is narrowing slowly but surely. So let's get bumpin', bring this place to life. I've hired a DJ to help get us moving. Don't let this guy down.

Wasn't Sloonei the top town read; that's why you sent him to be the spy? Has he been NKed?

Scotty asked him to share some,

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:04 pm I only mentioned my nutella read because it's suddenly relevant to the discussion. I see no benefit to sharing any other reads I developed while I was over there.

Sloonei has many sterling qualities; spying isn't one of them.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:03 pm Whaaaaaaaa

I don’t see that as a mafia role, either.

This is in reference to INHs role reveal as Tina Wesson, a very bizarre thing to say for someone whose role is the baddiest sounding role #1 revealed at Cerberus. Having the role he had, if he were a civ, I would expect a thought process more like mine. I don't think how your first role sounds matters~ what matters is your second role. I don't think judging someone by how their role sounds is all that valid. I would expect another civvie with a similarly bad sounding role, like me, to have a similar line of thought. I *KNOW* how bad your role sounds doesn't mean anything; Scotty does not seem to know this inherently in the same way that I do. But again, he isn't here ha ha.

At this time I am going to drop an aubergine on sig. My main suspect from Pikachu has had a post in Pikachu clearly saying he is a civ, so I don't expect to get anywhere with that, so meh.

This vote is based on the amazing conclusion jumping by sig and Sloonei re the Day One Lynch post. Like literally less than 5 minutes after the post, they BOTH had it all figured out with no access to Pikachu?

I will be in and out of here, but I am beginning to feel like some kind of loser writing all of this stuff on a sunny day, and no one else is here, lol, so I will pop back in later on.

*Vote Sig*

Thank you for this sig; I had not even thought to compare those lynches. This would also look bad for DDL who chose to vote for a third party on our side on the day of the LC second lynch.

This was our voting for day 5

Dharmahelper
1 vote: Dragon D. Luffy

dom
2 votes: Long Con, speedchuck

Long Con
7 votes: nutella, S~V~S, sprityo, Dom, Epignosis, Quin, DharmaHelper


You had 7 votes, so did LC.


This would almost confirm cross tribe BTSC to me. I don't think this necessarily means you are civ; I think there are either two bad teams, or a bad team and an SK, but it does alot towards making me feel better about you.

Although that reaction to the day one non lynch here was rather uncanny.

I will move my aubergine off of you to DDL at this time. Looking at this makes him look absolutely awful.

unvote sig, *VOTE DDL*

I am going to read this thread for day 5.

Also I just realized C Bob did not vote that day at all.

This makes me feel somewhat better about Chuck, as it says the target cannot be on the Nutella team, and if bad, Chuck would most def be on the Evens. When I first saw it my immediate reaction was, well, there you go. But I seriously doubt there is more than one false flip role. Unless LCs power extended beyond death.

I do remember LC and Nutella speculating about whether the Nutella/Nijuu pairing was bad/civ, and about how that might work.

Pikachus, what is your recollection of the DDL/Nutella lynch? This was the final vote:

Dragon D Luffy
Voters: Epignosis, colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, DharmaHelper, Long Con

nutella
Voters: Dom, Dragon D. Luffy, S~V~S

Quin and sprit didn't vote.

DDL's oroginal role started him with a -2 vote, and every night he picked a player that also started the next day with -2. LC also had a vote manip role.

At first DDL was lynched, but the next day they announced Nutella had been lynched. We now know Nutella and LC were teammates.

This is mega confusing, hopefully someone else shows up to help figure it out.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:18 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:57 pm This makes me feel somewhat better about Chuck, as it says the target cannot be on the Nutella team, and if bad, Chuck would most def be on the Evens. When I first saw it my immediate reaction was, well, there you go. But I seriously doubt there is more than one false flip role. Unless LCs power extended beyond death.

I do remember LC and Nutella speculating about whether the Nutella/Nijuu pairing was bad/civ, and about how that might work.

Pikachus, what is your recollection of the DDL/Nutella lynch? This was the final vote:

Dragon D Luffy
Voters: Epignosis, colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, DharmaHelper, Long Con

nutella
Voters: Dom, Dragon D. Luffy, S~V~S

Quin and sprit didn't vote.

DDL's oroginal role started him with a -2 vote, and every night he picked a player that also started the next day with -2. LC also had a vote manip role.

At first DDL was lynched, but the next day they announced Nutella had been lynched. We now know Nutella and LC were teammates.

This is mega confusing, hopefully someone else shows up to help figure it out.

But speedchuck's role was exposed as town. If nutella did that, doesn't that make him mafia?

But wouldn't he be on LC's team? Nutella was also on LC's team.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:27 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:18 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:57 pm This makes me feel somewhat better about Chuck, as it says the target cannot be on the Nutella team, and if bad, Chuck would most def be on the Evens. When I first saw it my immediate reaction was, well, there you go. But I seriously doubt there is more than one false flip role. Unless LCs power extended beyond death.

I do remember LC and Nutella speculating about whether the Nutella/Nijuu pairing was bad/civ, and about how that might work.

Pikachus, what is your recollection of the DDL/Nutella lynch? This was the final vote:

Dragon D Luffy
Voters: Epignosis, colonialbob, speedchuck, nutella, DharmaHelper, Long Con

nutella
Voters: Dom, Dragon D. Luffy, S~V~S

Quin and sprit didn't vote.

DDL's oroginal role started him with a -2 vote, and every night he picked a player that also started the next day with -2. LC also had a vote manip role.

At first DDL was lynched, but the next day they announced Nutella had been lynched. We now know Nutella and LC were teammates.

This is mega confusing, hopefully someone else shows up to help figure it out.

But speedchuck's role was exposed as town. If nutella did that, doesn't that make him mafia?

But wouldn't he be on LC's team? Nutella was also on LC's team.

It's probably the first piece of evidence that supports there being two scum teams. Why does he have to be on the same one as LC and nutella?

Becasue of the "Saving LC " drama. That is the whole reason I personally suspected him in the first place. Why would he go to such efforts to save LC if he was on an opposing team?

I also just realized that the day killer, assuming the same person made the day kill here and also killed Nutella is the same person, is someone who went from here to there.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:38 pm Here's the case against Sig, for those interested. Not sure I'm a fan of him going after his voters, even for ostensibly gameplay-related reasons.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Mar 09, 2018 12:59 pm THE CASE AGAINST SIG

this is gonna have to be multiple posts because ISO’ing someone is fucking impossible on phones

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:51 pm Quick non-insanified explanation of my Sig vote yesterday.

I didn't like his statements on the haiku situation, it kinda felt like covering for possible liars.

I sided with Boomslang on the whole 70% comment. Thought it was weird, and didn't like how people jumped to sig's defense and attacked Boomslang simply for pointing it out.

Then there's his flippity floppity treatment of Sloonei which just felt disingenuous. TBH, I might end up voting for him again today.

To elaborate, he went from town reading Sloonei to voting for him to once again to town reading him to calling his posts scummy a couple hours later. All the while, he was accusing Sloonei of “flip-flipping.” He later provided some explanations that were more than a little half-assed, IMO.

Early in the game, he called Sloonei’s case against me weak and thought it reflected poorly on Sloonei.

By Day 4, he’s completely reversed that opinion, and considers me one of his top suspects because he now believes Sloonei’s early case against me was “good.”

He just hasn’t really shown any consistency in his reads and views, seemingly changing them depending on which way the wind blows. He hasn’t contributed much if any substantial content to the thread, and is by far the strongest candidate for today’s lynch, in my opinion.

He's still probably the closest thing to a scumread I have right now, although I'm not opposed to going with the newbies if they feel they have a stronger case.

You seem to be thinking sig not tunnelling is baddie behavior? That is fairly SOP sig iirc.

My baddie read on him was based on one post, but that was a hell of a post, lol. I actually suspect Sloonei for it as well. But given the LC lynch, and the likelihood that sig was likely a wagon to oppose the LC wagon on the Pikachu side (assuming the baddies have cross thread BTSC, which I can't see why they wouldn't), does that come into your thinking at all?

In light of the opposing LC/sig wagons on LCs 2nd lynch, I am going to leave my vote on DDL at this point.

I would rather lynch on thread based behavior than an info dump that is somewhat ambiguous, but that lynch makes DDL look bad as hell, IMO. Very seriously bad.

Linki [mention]Quin[/mention] you don't remember that? He defended him so aggressively and pushed hard for the Dom lynch instead. It's the whole reason I suspected him. Nutella flip actually made me feel better about Chuck.

You came in here suspecting DDL, do you still feel that way? Look at my post and sigs up above, that vote of DDls was shady as all hell.

Also how many seemer manipulations could they have? Something is rotten in Badmark imo.

Have you played with sig alot? He is generally always inconsistent iirc, but it has been a while. I am not completely disagreeing, I am eyeing him a bit, too, but for totally different reasons.

In any case, if we wish to avoid an NK we need to lynch.

To me, looking at those two polls, the biggest baddest person during the day of the LC/sig trains was DDL.

[mention]Golden[/mention] , [mention]Juliets[/mention] will we be told if a team is eliminated? I don't actually expect an answer (it's Golden!) but worth an ask.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:56 pm In any case, if we wish to avoid an NK we need to lynch.

I don't think this is how it works. You were NKed the night after we lynched LC #2.

Good point, I was so immersed in this thread, someone had suggested that, prolly Sloonei, that I forgot the timeline.

I wish more people has talked today. Less than 3 hours to lynch.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:55 pm I’m so confused right now. Also, what does LA’s flip say about Niju. And why did we learn LA’s team? I thought we only got alliance from lynxches. Or is it all day kills?

Since they had blind BTS, it doesn't say much. They did not know who each other were, the way the roles are written. I think they randomized affiliation and then roles (or vice versa). First roles don't seem to mean much.

I would judge Niju on her own merits. What is your opinion on her?

And you taught me how to mafia-think. I would like your opinion on DDL's vote on the day we lynched LC, and Cerberus tried to lynch sig. I posted it earlier. What do you think of it?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:18 pm I've been gone all weekend. Sorry about that. What are we doing?

Quin and I want to lynch DDL. If you look at the lynch here in Cerberus, his vote for a tangent looks even baddier. You have been suspecting him on and off, right?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:18 pm I've been gone all weekend. Sorry about that. What are we doing?

Also Nutella was day killed and is LC's teammate.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:36 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:18 pm I've been gone all weekend. Sorry about that. What are we doing?

Also Nutella was day killed and is LC's teammate.

What really? Wow.

Look at her role; it's a pip.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:41 pm SVS, you've been looking for an excuse to vote for me. One has come along. What's up?

She was on the same team as LC, and if you read the role, it says she cannot target a teammate. I think if you are bad, you were with LC. So that role reveal of your role wasn't from Nutella, imo. How many fake role revealers can there be? I think this makes you look better, tbh. Quin, he thought the opposite.

I may be stubborn, but I make mitigators I believe to be feasible into account.

*take not make

nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:43 pm Woo, the first time an ISO of SVS can be done within minutes! Thanks, crazy game mechanics!

I do like your reasoning for lynching DDL - that's some serious weird voting shenanigans after the craziness with LC. His responses to accusations in here seem rather salty. Perhaps he feels as if there's not much to defend against? That's how I would see it if it were me. Whether that's indicative of alignment, as I know I've gotten annoyed on both sides of the coin, is left to be said. That's wishy-washy as hell, I know, but to my credit, I'll slap an aubergine on DDL now.

I'm also glad for an outsider's perspective of the commentary on the lynch shenanigans between the two tribes. I've been on and off involved in this game, and I guess I took it for granted that sig and Sloonei had made those comments so immediately with the assumptions about the lynch system. It made sense. I'd say I didn't have time to parse out all of the mechanics of everything at the time, but that would only be partially true - this has been a beautifully quiet tribe to keep up with, so that's been both a boon and a bane when it came to baddie-hunting.

I'm rambling. I feel like I should address other things. But I'm gonna go ahead and post. I'll have a tab open.

Linki - LET ME POSTTTTTTTTT

I think I already have more posts than Boom or Daisy, lol

[mention]Dom[/mention] yeah, re DDL that was my thought. That vote when it was tied between sig and LC (that we know of, who knows what kind of mindfuckery was going on behind the scenes), DDLs vote looks so bad. Plus he was looking baddie on and off most of his time in Pikachu. The only think keeping me from voting him was my thought that he had stopped the night actions, but Marmots death looked to reveal that he did it. So

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:22 pm
three people from the same bad team on our tribe?

It's possible. It depends on if there are two bad teams or a bad team and an SK and we have no way of knowing that. "Evens" could mean there are "Odds" or it could be Golden fucking with us, lol.

That vote looks so bad, knowing they were possibly trying to mount a save of him over here. I did not have a chance to read all the way through that lynch over here yet to see who was pushing sig hardest. I did look at the polls, and NO ONE voted for him the day before.

But in light of that, DDLs vote looks especially bad to me. You disagree?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:26 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:48 pm In light of the opposing LC/sig wagons on LCs 2nd lynch, I am going to leave my vote on DDL at this point.

I would rather lynch on thread based behavior than an info dump that is somewhat ambiguous, but that lynch makes DDL look bad as hell, IMO. Very seriously bad.

Linki @Quin you don't remember that? He defended him so aggressively and pushed hard for the Dom lynch instead. It's the whole reason I suspected him. Nutella flip actually made me feel better about Chuck.

You came in here suspecting DDL, do you still feel that way? Look at my post and sigs up above, that vote of DDls was shady as all hell.

I don't follow. I bad because I didn't vote for LC?

This game is zzzzzzzzz

The lynch appears to go to whichever tribe has the most votes for one candidate. This tribe tied with our tribe the day we lynched LC. If Cerberus had more votes, LC wouldn't have been lynched. So NOT piling any more votes on LC would have been paramount, and voting for Dom might have looked scummy in retrospect if LC flipped bad.

Linki @ Dom & DDL, speedchuck did not get outed as bad. If he was bad he was LCs teammates, but he couldn't be since Nutella could not target a teammate.

He did not get revealed by Nutella,imo.

If there is a baddie role faker, then there is a civ role revealer as well. And that is who likely revealed Chuck.

Read Nutellas role, Dom.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:39 pm why does he HAVE to be LC's teammate?

I see why ou think he aws PROBABLY LC's teammate.
But I don't see why you think he MUST be LC's teammate.
Why can he not be on another bad team?

Becasue he spent all of that time and energy trying to lynch YOU instead of LC. Why the hell would a baddie from team A go balls to the walls to save a baddie from Team B? Either he's LC's teammate or he's not bad, imo.

I could be wrong there, but where the hell was everyone else all day when I was here by myself lol? Do you think DDL's vote in the LC vs Dom vs sig lynch does NOT look bad?

There is the chance that LC targeted him, and that is why he would flip civ. But I don't think that role flip in Pikachu had anything to do with Nutella.

I don't think it had anything to do with Nutella at all.