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Looking at them, especially "Each Chosen Option Enhanced" I am gonna guess they have something to do with how future polls proceed, perhaps? Of how the effects of choices of some sort (which is why I automatically thought "poll") are applied. It may (or may not) become clearer after we see more than one Night Poll.
I didn't need to Google it
They could benefit factions, or individuals. When I used to host, I generally had a mix of that and prize options. Like the first person to vote for option x was taken off the poll. At this point it's really just speculation. but in time the discussion may have meaning in retrospect when we find out what night polls do, if anything. With these hosts they probably do something, but hard to say what with no results yet.Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:51 pmI don't know that it really matters here since we don't know what any of these things do, but I would assume they are all beneficial in different ways to each person voting.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:37 pm Somebody talk to me about times nonsensical looking poll options helped or harmed your faction.
I remember lots of “oh, the cubs civs should do this” discussions but I’ve never looked back to see if those statements were correct.
You can put your finger down. I have no knowledge of the poll options or what they do. But based on prior Long Rock games, I think that one sounds townie-est
Why did this vote stand out to you, when several other people engaged in discussion of what the options could mean, and some just voted with no real engagement at all? I am not trying to put you on the defensive, I really want to know. This post surprised me.
I had had that thought as well, that "helpful civ" post ftw. I may or may not have time to read his posts in prior games this weekend, leaning "not", so shortcut; people with more recent DDL experience than I, is that kind of role analysis a norm for civ DDL?
I am old and unhip and haven't played for a year or so. What does this mean?
This, we don't know who is on the tribunal or their affiliation. Pushing a tie is pushing a lynch out of the hands of the voters into the hands of ... whoever.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:25 pm To me the only reason a person would vote to tie a lynch that they weren't in danger in is because they are on the tribunal or know who is and they want to save the person that is in the lead during the un-tied period.
Significantly more plausible baddie motives RE: Ties.
Agreed, this feels so bandwagon jumpin Blendy McBlenderson to me.nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:28 pmYuckColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:50 pm If I can't check in tomorrow I don't want my vote to be on cbob as a joke, so I am publicly announcing a [VOTE: DDL] aubergine wagon contribution for the foreseeable future.
What about DDLs game strikes you as town to this point? About his own game, not in contrast to Slooneis game, just on his own?
so I will be spotty but I will be in and out.What does your valid suspicion of Colin have to do with Macs question about your attack (and your post did feel rather aggressive to me) on nutella?Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:42 pmI have a good reason to vote Colin. Point invalid.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:39 pmIt's day 1. Nobody has a good reason to vote anyone. Why did you pick nutella to attack? Is it because Jack's your scum teammate? Got eem.
I understood the context, what got my eye was that you did not respond to his direct point, and redirected the conversation. Plus you sound somewhat confrontational when people suspect someone YOU don't think deserves scrutiny. Like, "here's my totes valid day one suspish but YOUR suspicion is weak because I don't find them suspect." Again this may just be you and how you play which would explain why I am the only person struck with it.Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:30 pmHey SVS, I don't know if I've played with you before, but I've seen you around and sort of know about you. My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions. Mac doesn't think so, and therefore thinks I "attacked" nutella for no reason over her (in my opinon) completely invalid Jack suspicion. Does that clear things up for you?S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:46 pmWhat does your valid suspicion of Colin have to do with Macs question about your attack (and your post did feel rather aggressive to me) on nutella?Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:42 pmI have a good reason to vote Colin. Point invalid.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:39 pmIt's day 1. Nobody has a good reason to vote anyone. Why did you pick nutella to attack? Is it because Jack's your scum teammate? Got eem.
I am going to drop a vote on you for now. I don't believe that I (like Sorsha, who you noted had not played with you) have ever played with you. Perhaps this is your normal tone, and if so others will point it out, and then that might give me BOTD. But for now your tone has pinged me enough to vote on it.
[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine
Yeah he aggressively defended the guy with the blinking neon "Baddie" sign on his head. Good times.Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:59 pmSo um, speedchuck played game of champions with her last year, before I even joined the site, and he ranted to me about her suspecting him.timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:43 pmOut of curiosity, what do you sort of know about S~V~S?Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:30 pm
Hey SVS, I don't know if I've played with you before, but I've seen you around and sort of know about you. My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions. Mac doesn't think so, and therefore thinks I "attacked" nutella for no reason over her (in my opinon) completely invalid Jack suspicion. Does that clear things up for you?
I get that myself.Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:11 pmI would like to tell you a list of references who can attest to my civ game, but I get mislynched pretty often, because apparently I don't know how to play like a civ.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:05 pmYeah he aggressively defended the guy with the blinking neon "Baddie" sign on his head. Good times.Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:59 pmSo um, speedchuck played game of champions with her last year, before I even joined the site, and he ranted to me about her suspecting him.timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:43 pmOut of curiosity, what do you sort of know about S~V~S?Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:30 pm
Hey SVS, I don't know if I've played with you before, but I've seen you around and sort of know about you. My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions. Mac doesn't think so, and therefore thinks I "attacked" nutella for no reason over her (in my opinon) completely invalid Jack suspicion. Does that clear things up for you?
If people who know you better than I that I feel ok about tell me this is your norm, I am open to moving my vote. Plenty of day one weirdness in this thread lol.
But for now I'm good.
Is he still around? I see you later found it but here it is with more thought behind it.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:41 amCould you please explain this read a little more? What do you feel is Luna's tone and why is it pinging you?S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:46 pmWhat does your valid suspicion of Colin have to do with Macs question about your attack (and your post did feel rather aggressive to me) on nutella?Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:42 pmI have a good reason to vote Colin. Point invalid.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:39 pmIt's day 1. Nobody has a good reason to vote anyone. Why did you pick nutella to attack? Is it because Jack's your scum teammate? Got eem.
I am going to drop a vote on you for now. I don't believe that I (like Sorsha, who you noted had not played with you) have ever played with you. Perhaps this is your normal tone, and if so others will point it out, and then that might give me BOTD. But for now your tone has pinged me enough to vote on it.
[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine
This ^^ Thank you, TH.
On one level I guess I asked for this. Early in the game you were making alot of posts that seemed to be inside jokes, yet you were posting them on topic. When I asked for clarity, I made a crack about being an old lady (you never did reply to that post). But my point up there was that you seem to be crawling way up Slooneis ass.
And can you explain your Jack vote in more depth as I don't understand it, or is it just "Yuk Yuk past games" kinda vote, or a temp vote, in which case, meh. I can dig it.
When we had played in the past, I recall you as having a certain slightly mean edge to you when you were bad. I reread you (you have not said much) and am not seeing it at all here. You could have changed, I guess, but I think it looks like you are taking joke votes?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:08 amIt's my daughter's fourth birthday today so I'm not going to be super active for the rest of the phase.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:33 am Jackofhearts2005-bydoobydoo, where are you? We have much to discuss
Would love to be atmentioned with cases and questions though.
Thanks for this, but in the game I am thinking of (maybe the crossover game we played?) I recall thinking you were bad your very first post. Maybe it was luck, lol.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:34 amI’m sometimes a little mean to get what I want, usually when I’m town and utterly convinced I’m right or when I’m scum. You’re not going to see that D1 regardless and when I’m scum, you’ll see it more in late game.S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:18 amWhen we had played in the past, I recall you as having a certain slightly mean edge to you when you were bad. I reread you (you have not said much) and am not seeing it at all here. You could have changed, I guess, but I think it looks like you are taking joke votes.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:08 amIt's my daughter's fourth birthday today so I'm not going to be super active for the rest of the phase.colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:33 am Jackofhearts2005-bydoobydoo, where are you? We have much to discuss
Would love to be atmentioned with cases and questions though.
Mac’s not joking. He’s doing that thing where he goes after someone hard early on but doesn’t put forth a convincing case. He often does this to actual mafia members and tends to not actually get a lynch. I’m not sure if the later thing is intentional. Not sure why Nutella is voting me but whatever.
You are starting to seem a bit flail-y
Good question.
Do you not make an effort when you are bad? TH keeps saying this too, that post count while under irl stress = civvie. That is just not true. Lotsa posts when busy =/= civvie. No.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:25 amDo you think I could fake this level of effort while also dealing with finals? If so then you really need to stop putting me on such a pedestal. Or you're bad.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:22 amPosting a lot as Mafia on day 1 of a huge game where there are two teams meaning that he can genuinely scum hunt doesn't make him a masochistic moron, it makes him someone trying to win the game as Mafia.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:21 amHe had finals or midterms or whatever, perfect excuse to lay low yet he has 150+ posts on Day 1, do you think he's some kind of masochistic moron?MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:17 amBased on?
And you guys actually did it? CFD someone who actually sounded pretty civ? Yikes.MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:34 amThis is... actually extremely Mafia sounding lol.
Can you point out which of his posts sounded like busy work? I saw that you poked his long post where he made observations as "busy work". Where was your better one?
What do you like about it? Your second line seems to be saying maybe you don't like it. Please be specific.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:23 pm I feel like I really like this juliets case people have put forth because I tinfoil on that every game. She always feels very passive and aimless.
The problem is that she is usually town. Does she feel more passive here than normal? Kyle says he does but I haven't felt it myself.
I totally get this sentiment, I have this issue, too, but if you factor in content in this case, do you feel the same? He really seemed to be flailing around and in some cases saying things just to say them. I have been instrumental in a Sloonei mislynch (when I was a civ) so I don't trust my gut read as much on him.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:42 am Yeah content is important too. I'm not very good at explaining why I toneread someone as good or bad, so sometimes I point to other factors like post count or whatever
You want to lynch someone for being passive in general, not becasue of anything she has specifically done in this game?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:43 pmIt's like I've always wanted to lynch juliets for being passive and the time has finally come.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:33 pmWhat do you like about it? Your second line seems to be saying maybe you don't like it. Please be specific.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:23 pm I feel like I really like this juliets case people have put forth because I tinfoil on that every game. She always feels very passive and aimless.
The problem is that she is usually town. Does she feel more passive here than normal? Kyle says he does but I haven't felt it myself.
But rationally this doesn't make sense to me.
If it helps, here are are HOF stats:
But I disagree with you that he was making fake content. I thought it was pretty good compared to many. And I think your vote reason was disingenuous and reaching.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:30 pmstrongly disagree.S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:18 pmLinki w/kyle, I did read the post, several times. It was better than most people did And I think before you want to lynch someone on day one for shitty content, your own content should be better. That still sounds to me like someone trying to justify a vote for him.
if i think someone is making fake content for the sake of it i'm not going to be scared away from voting for them for it because i've done less. i didn't vote wolbre because i thought his amount of effort wasn't enough, i voted for him because i thought it was fake and shadowboxing.
Which 4? That first page also goes into Day 2.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:47 pm Juliets' Hogwarts ISO. This game was a month ago. Juliets was a civilian twice over. I counted four posts just on the first page of this ISO in which she took a harder stance than she has on anything in this game, and I didn't even make it to the end of the page. I invite others to have a look and tell me if they disagree.
[mention]Kylemii[/mention] where I'm coming from is that I thought your reason for voting for Wolbre sounded made up and like a vote looking for a reason, which is generally not a civvie kinda thing. I am sorry if I was not clear about that.juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:54 pm You are not wrong DH. I want people to talk about what they are thinking when they say things that seem vague to me and I want to understand both sides of the story so I rarely take an accusatory tone. Also it's my nature to ask things politely unless someone has said something hurtful about others.
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That's how I read it.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:49 pmI don't follow. Saying he doesn't regret it implies he thinks wilgy is bad, no?Quin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:44 pmit is the act of talking about "regret" not whether he did or did not regret itnutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:43 pmI think you got that backwards, he said he didn't regret it
regret indicates a bad outcome.
Oh my.Enrique wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:06 ammay it?Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:04 amI mean, TH's role is listed as "corrupted remnant", which may actually just be indie.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:02 am ok so, 2 kills at night means....
mafia + sakana sashimi/savage pixie/trickster/dark worshipper?
is the general consensus that the trickster is probably a mafia role? it mentions some special rules/modifications involved in killing but doesn't mention specifically being able to kill on its own
Double oh my.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:22 am Do we know for certain that Turnip Head was mafia and not independent? In no way do I discourage the search for potential teammate pairings, but I also want us to be aware that it’s not confirmed that he was scum. If someone else flips “Corrupted Remnant” then we’ll know. Until then, it’s not certain.
lol, in what way? Pray tell.
No,in my hometown, every game started with 30 people. Some started with more; I played one game with 50 (although that epically never ended but that's a different story).MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:00 amReally? You sure it just can't be explained by the fact that this game started with 30 people?S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:17 am It almost feels like the thread is being intentionally obscured, discouraging people from reading it, by post bombing it. I used to know someone on LP who did that intentionally. That was almost how I felt about early Nutella, but then decided she was just shitposting.
A tone of what? Confidence?
What I am asking in the post you quoted up there ^^ is a link to the part of the thread where TH/DH seemed to be working in tandem. You have mentioned that more than once and I cannot find it.
It is in reference to me, I asked LC for clarity on what we could and could not post. I voted for Sloonei based on the idea that I thought he did not know the names of the baddie teams. LC clarified. I was certainly not intending to do anything cheesy, or play the game in a less than sporting way. I thought it was a genuine slip, it has been a while since I played and I did not realize this was bad form.LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:25 pmPlease clarify: Does this mean we cannot reference a host pm? I always thought it meant they couldn't be quoted directly. Thanks.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:52 am At this time, both baddie team names have only shown up in role PMs. Corrupt Remnant appeared in the night post. Jagged Blade has not appeared in the thread yet.
There is a rule about not reproducing Host PMs in the thread. Thank you to those that respect the rule.
For the record, Sloonei, whatever his alignment is, had both baddie team names in his PM. Stop angleshooting and play the game for real.
Never heard of it; and she WAS an odd choice. Do you think I am wrong, and that she was an obvious choice? Do people not talk about why the NKed may have been killed anymore? Or are they too worried about being labelled with canned "tell" labels to discuss something that may hold some clues.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:56 pm"Odd choice for a kill" tell.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:15 am Wow I got up expecting a cool post and maybe a page of posts (I am at 50 PPP) and I wake up to ... this.
I have to reread Nutella, she is a surprising NK to me (although proximity counts so that limits the kill pool I guess). I did not much suspect her but I did not much trust her, either.
I am not going to read Slooneis ISO's until maybe tonight. I don't trust him at all. In the past when I played with he he felt all Supatown and engaged, here he feels ... manic. He reminds me of baddie MP. But that is what I thought of him that time I lynched him, so stepping away from him for now, I don't see you la la la la
And all the posts (from lots of folks, not just him) qualifying every remark with, "But of course there are two baddie teams."
This means normal civving behavior doesn't count. It 's what someone says, not how they say it, or how many times they say it. Looking at prior games if they had only one bad team is pointless. It's harder to catch the baddies, but it is also more intense and amazing when you figure it out. So when we judge peoples behavior, make "two teams" the forethought, not the afterthought.
Not sure if TH felt safe enough to bolster a teammate (I did not even remotely suspect him) or if that was all just buddying.
Imma read all this later, I have to go back to work today ugh.
For now I am dropping a vote on Kyle, I think his vote was the shadiest of a shady lynch.
[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine
Linki, @MacDougall can you link me to the point, or general page, where that happened? Rereading that out of real time was hard to take context. I know you mentioned this before, about their votes, but I did not have time to reread looking for it.
ok, thanks for clarifying that. I felt like you were trying to say I was suspect for doing some "it is known" baddie tell of some kind for saying I found her kill to be an odd choice. The way you worded that was like it was an "aha!" kind of thing.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:13 pm As you said, given the map, kill choices are going to be limited and to an extent, random or luck based. I'm personally not going to hold stock in trying to find out why a kill was made, but I'm not gonna stop other people from doing that.
That is not true and it is misleading to say it is. What is true is that yesterday you said you wanted to lynch her for being passive, so she IS damned if she does and damned if she doesn't with YOU.Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:13 pmWe are all damned if we do, damned if we don't, that's why this game is so hard to solve.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:07 pmok, thanks for clarifying that. I felt like you were trying to say I was suspect for doing some "it is known" baddie tell of some kind for saying I found her kill to be an odd choice. The way you worded that was like it was an "aha!" kind of thing.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:13 pm As you said, given the map, kill choices are going to be limited and to an extent, random or luck based. I'm personally not going to hold stock in trying to find out why a kill was made, but I'm not gonna stop other people from doing that.
On night one, yeah, most kills are fairly random, but later in the game I find discussion of why a person was killed can have value.
linki, so Juliets is damed if she does, damned if she doesn't? She was basicvally told to produce an opinion post, she does so, and now it's "player salad"?
Do you suspect him?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:33 pm Guys can we lynch Tranq? I'm pretty sure a bunch of people were saying they suspected him yesterday.
I always do things. When you figure out which things let me know
CoolDragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:11 pmUh... yes? I was into the Tranq wagon before it was cool. Then it became cool for a while, then it stopped being cool again. I want people to think I'm trendy and popular by voting for the guy I think is bad.S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 6:14 pmDo you suspect him?Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:33 pm Guys can we lynch Tranq? I'm pretty sure a bunch of people were saying they suspected him yesterday.
What the he'll are you talking about, lol? It was me waking up and finding a zillion posts mostly talking about nonsense after a lunch where we just lynched a civvie. I had thoughts and I had opinions and I was going to let them out. Would I feel more did to you if I just shut upMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:20 pmIt very much read like a Mafia feeling guilty of lurking dumping content in the thread all at once to make up for their own guilt.
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