The Syndicate

Wow, you guys are posting champions, 3 pages on zero with 50ppp, impressive.

There's nothing with Peanut Butter Moose Track FTW. What's Tiger Tail? Some fabulous Canadian concoction?

So waffled between Butterscotch and Lime Sorbet, went with the Butterscotch.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:10 pm Saitama is mafia? We might as well give up now.

Hey Chuck, why the Vanilla love?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:10 am The correct poll answer is chocolate chip cookie dough or that's how I roll but whatever.

Samesies, Jack.

Neither of you strikes me as vanillas.

[mention]juliets[/mention] (asking you since you seem to be the town historian, but anyone can answer) are Day Zero option polls with meaning a thing anymore?

OK, sig, I’m gonna explain this to you.

My question to Jules was a two fold question. Maybe even three fold. First, it served to help me sort her out. I like to know what I think of Jules pretty fast, and I find that gauging her answer to a direct question not directly related to her helps me with that. If she is bad, I don’t think she’s on a team with any of the vanilla voters, and I am leaning civ. I might ask G-Man a direct question, too Second, it correlates to the two posts I quoted above it, from Chuck and Jack. Of the 5 vanilla voters, they put no thoughts into the thread about their votes, Chuck moreso than Jack; Chuck just dropped his vote without any reason or discussion. If Zero polls with meaning are not common anymore, then maybe their votes mean nothing in particular. If they were more common, though, I would not expect a whole team to vote for them. Same would go for the three Pistacio voters. So, third, it’s a good way to start discussion on this topic, since I seem not to be the only one whose eye was caught by the vanilla voters.

Not sure why trying to start discussion is “fluffy”, but OK.

Maybe I'm just surprised to see so much Vanilla in an LC/BR game

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:13 pm I don't think a favorite ice cream poll is at all alignment indicative for anyone. Like my favorite ice cream flavor doesn't fluctuate with my alignment.

Nobody is actually getting lynched for an ice cream flavor vote so even Michelle/Sig saying "Bet there's a scum here in the vanilla voters" could be the barest of distancing. Not that I think either of them is necessarily scum with a vanilla voter, just that I wouldn't even rule that out, it's such a nothing thing.

Actually, I also kind of think so, too, and in the post sig thought was fluffy, I thought Chuck, and maybe you, were the ones who stood out.

In the culture I came from (and our hosts came from, too) factions benefiting from poll options was very much a thing, and sometimes some faction members knew if they benefited from a specific option beforehand. But I know that was going out of vogue when I last played what with the influx of people from different cultures. So we'll see if there are any known results from this poll. I just bring it up as a thing to keep in mind.

I am also curious to know what others from that background think as well. But in any case, I will not be so quick to dismiss it.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:16 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:28 am OK, sig, I’m gonna explain this to you.

My question to Jules was a two fold question. Maybe even three fold. First, it served to help me sort her out. I like to know what I think of Jules pretty fast, and I find that gauging her answer to a direct question not directly related to her helps me with that. If she is bad, I don’t think she’s on a team with any of the vanilla voters, and I am leaning civ. I might ask G-Man a direct question, too Second, it correlates to the two posts I quoted above it, from Chuck and Jack. Of the 5 vanilla voters, they put no thoughts into the thread about their votes, Chuck moreso than Jack; Chuck just dropped his vote without any reason or discussion. If Zero polls with meaning are not common anymore, then maybe their votes mean nothing in particular. If they were more common, though, I would not expect a whole team to vote for them. Same would go for the three Pistacio voters. So, third, it’s a good way to start discussion on this topic, since I seem not to be the only one whose eye was caught by the vanilla voters.

Not sure why trying to start discussion is “fluffy”, but OK.

The type of discussion makes you present, but overall didn't seem to contribute much.

Though it's been a very long time since we played together may just be your style.

OK. You have a tendency to suspect me early and often, and that's cool. I just wanted to remind you that I do pay attention to you. Sometimes you treat your own observations as throw aways, and I wanted to see if this was that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:18 pm

Why is SVS a plus?

SVS is always a plus

Regarding strong reads, I think civs need to be hyper aggressive this game becasue of this:

Hosts with the most said:


Ghosts

When a player dies, their ghost remains in the thread for three more phases. A ghost may post on-topic thrice-twice-once, in successive phases, in dead-red text. A ghost can claim its Win Condition.

Have you ever had that moment in a game, right after you died, when suddenly, it was all clear. Yeah, we all have. The baddies are gonna have to try harder to be blendy this game becasue of this, not be over aggressive, becasue it's gonna be harder for them to blow off a mislynch with the victim still in the thread. It's gonna be harder for them to just NK people who get up in their grilles if the victim is still in the thread.

I am always a pretty aggressive civ, but I tend to try to hold reads close to the vest becasue I don't want to paint targets on civs or give a baddie the heads up that they are under suspicion; sometimes I like to watch and draw them out, to see if they slip. But I think this is the game for full reads.

I want to see how the Zero poll plays out. Right now I like Nanook, I like sig, I like Nutella. I don't dislike Jules, TH, Jay, or Ted. I am not feeling Chuck so much or Sloonei. Sloonei getting all aggressive with sig rubs me the wrong way, becasue this is something I seem to recall seeing Sloonei doing fairly often, getting in sigs face. It's an easy stance for Sloonei to fall into. My thoughts on Chuck are wrapped up in his poll vote

Most everyone else is gray for me, or someone I am actively waffling about like Jack or G Man. I know G Man is hiding from G Woman, which I know was always a thing with him, but what little he wrote, meh. So him and Jack aren't really grey, but I could go either way. Some of the gray people, like Epi, Mac, and Tranq, are people I like to sort early, but it's Zero, so

I don't think I played with Michelle before; I did play with Dyslexicon, but not enough to have a basis of comparison.

I also see that Dom, Colin, Dragomir and Sabie have not checked in yet.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:50 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:48 pm Regarding strong reads, I think civs need to be hyper aggressive this game becasue of this:

Hosts with the most said:


Ghosts

When a player dies, their ghost remains in the thread for three more phases. A ghost may post on-topic thrice-twice-once, in successive phases, in dead-red text. A ghost can claim its Win Condition.

Have you ever had that moment in a game, right after you died, when suddenly, it was all clear. Yeah, we all have. The baddies are gonna have to try harder to be blendy this game becasue of this, not be over aggressive, becasue it's gonna be harder for them to blow off a mislynch with the victim still in the thread. It's gonna be harder for them to just NK people who get up in their grilles if the victim is still in the thread.

I am always a pretty aggressive civ, but I tend to try to hold reads close to the vest becasue I don't want to paint targets on civs or give a baddie the heads up that they are under suspicion; sometimes I like to watch and draw them out, to see if they slip. But I think this is the game for full reads.

I want to see how the Zero poll plays out. Right now I like Nanook, I like sig, I like Nutella. I don't dislike Jules, TH, Jay, or Ted. I am not feeling Chuck so much or Sloonei. Sloonei getting all aggressive with sig rubs me the wrong way, becasue this is something I seem to recall seeing Sloonei doing fairly often, getting in sigs face. It's an easy stance for Sloonei to fall into. My thoughts on Chuck are wrapped up in his poll vote

Most everyone else is gray for me, or someone I am actively waffling about like Jack or G Man. I know G Man is hiding from G Woman, which I know was always a thing with him, but what little he wrote, meh. So him and Jack aren't really grey, but I could go either way. Some of the gray people, like Epi, Mac, and Tranq, are people I like to sort early, but it's Zero, so

I don't think I played with Michelle before; I did play with Dyslexicon, but not enough to have a basis of comparison.

I also see that Dom, Colin, Dragomir and Sabie have not checked in yet.

What am I to you, a turnip?

LOL, no but I love our Turnip, he's one of my faves so that would put you in good company. But alas, you are kind of a grey radish so far.

You have not made much of an impression on me either way, you have not said much if anything on topic, but this post tells me you certainly are aggressive, and I like that.

So tell me, now that you are posting on topic, what about my posts make you think I'm bad?

Linki [mention]Sloonei[/mention] i, good to know. It felt to me like youwere using him to appear like standard Sloonei, but it's been a while for me, and it's only Zero.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:02 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:56 pm LOL, no but I love our Turnip, he's one of my faves so that would put you in good company. But alas, you are kind of a grey radish so far.

You have not made much of an impression on me either way, you have not said much if anything on topic, but this post tells me you certainly are aggressive, and I like that.

So tell me, now that you are posting on topic, what about my posts make you think I'm bad?

Linki @Sloonei i, good to know. It felt to me like youwere using him to appear like standard Sloonei, but it's been a while for me, and it's only Zero.

Okay, one more serious-sorta post then I'm going to bed.

Your posts sound like they could have been written by a baddie. E.g. over-explaining thoughts, suggesting what scum are going to try to do as a result of mechanics x, trying to list nearly everyone (even those that haven't checked in)...all traits I see scum do/do myself when scum.

So you go in my pink pile. It's too early to have proper red reads but your posts have, twice now, pinged me.

I'm just getting started, I will probably post some amazing walls o'text this game, I haven't played in a year and I'm having fun! I always over explain; irl, too. What can I say, I'm chatty. And in my over explaining post, I talked about how I thought discussing reads was important this game, and why. And then I gave my reads, since I said it was, imo, important. But I get your points. Plus people who don't know me always think I'm bad. I scouted out a few sites in the early days of this site, and when I played in different cultures, I almost always got lynched Day One.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:43 pm Mm, I like talking about myself. Make me do it more.

You said "baddie" earlier. That is the term the founders of this forum used (and some still do) but I have not heard it much outside of us. I am curious to know where you played as well.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:53 pm Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie

Most people seem to say "scum" now. Maybe my question should have been in green? It wasn't really game related, I was just curious, not many people use that term.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:02 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:53 pm Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie

I actually loved svs question until she made it green.

I felt like Nanook was making fun of it,like it was a stupid question

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:12 pm SVS asking Radishes where he picked up the word “baddie” should not be made into a thing, please.

This ^^

I didn't think it was a slip. I found it intriguing that someone not from my home forum said "baddie", and since people were asking him about his background, I chimed in. I wasn't trying to imply he made a slip.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:26 pm Independent of all this: how do we all feel about master radishes?

As I said earlier, he was in my grey area, I had no opinion on him since he had no on topic posts unti he said I pinged him. When I asked why, his explanation made sense and it nudged him out of grey into a greyish mossy green. That hasn't really changed.

I have to eat dinner and walk the dog, I may or may not be back before eod. I have to get up at 4 AM, so I tend to go to bed early.

linki @ Nutella

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:16 am I'M PLAYING A GAME WITH SHERRY?
DOTH MY EYES DECEIVE ME?
queen

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:01 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:09 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:02 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:53 pm Yeah who could possibly use the word baddie

I actually loved svs question until she made it green.

I felt like Nanook was making fun of it,like it was a stupid question

Not stupid, just irrelevant

YET ... yet... you then went on to lose your shit and call sig an idiot and talk about how stupid it was yada yada.

But this is really what bothers me about all of this. I don't know you, so I don't know what "losing your shit" actually looks like, maybe if that really happens I will wish I was on Mars, lol, but from my perspective, you went a bit overboard with your reaction to all of this.

As the person who started this whole clusterfuck, even unintentionally, what most got my eye about it was that I wasn't talking about you. I was talking about Radishes, a third person, and you seemed genuinely upset about the whole thing. Now I defend people all the time, but taking it to the level that you took it was over the top in a way that felt to me like baddies being caught out for the wrong reason and the righteous indignation that that causes. The two worst things in Mafia as a baddie are either playing a perfect game and getting caught, or getting caught day one, for a stupid reason beyond your control. So annoying. It felt almost like chatroom anger spilling into the thread.

I don't know you, and I am rusty, having not played for a year or so, and not having played much for a year or so before that. So I am not going to vote on this, but I am going to be slicing and dicing everything the two of you say. But I mostly play on my gut, and last night my gut told me you were overreacting. Had Radishes been the one to react that way, I would have understood it better. But I don't see any civ roles that would be in contact (barring secrets) on Night Zero, so

I see Jack taking votes, gonna read up on why, he was my main shady red read before things went off on a tangent. I want to see why others are voting for him, especially Nutella, if iirc she reads him well.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:20 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:48 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:43 pm Mm, I like talking about myself. Make me do it more.

You said "baddie" earlier. That is the term the founders of this forum used (and some still do) but I have not heard it much outside of us. I am curious to know where you played as well.

I just tend to start adopting a forum's local slang a bit. I say 'Indy' when playing here too, which I've not seen used anywhere else.

The one I can't accept is 'civilian', which is just such a mouthful when you could just say 'town' or 'vill'.




(Having skimmed through the discussion of my usage of this term that followed, it was pointless and I'm going to ignore it.)

Oh, OK, that makes sense, too. I was just wondering about where you played. I started at Lostpedia and, I know our terminology was diferent than most.

What do you think of Nanooks defense of your honor over how my question was interpreted? Do you think that reaction was valid? (I know you want to forget this ever happened, but it did happen, sorry )

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:31 am Orange, @ JaggedJimmyJay? I make three posts, and that’s enough to land me in orange instead of neutral gray?

In a way, I guess I see it, what with the diarrhea-of-the-mouth-inducing playstyle you and others prefer. You have offended me, sir, and now I intend to bury myself in the deepest red of your rainbow reads so that I may ignore your demands for more content.

Hi G

Earlier, when explaining a question I had asked Jules, I also said I would probably ask you a direct question, too.

Now, I know that I am a person you want to sort out ASAP, cause you have told me so. You pretty much always make a remark about how I said or did something you found shady. But the fact that you have not, and that you did not remark on my comment about you hiding from G Woman makes me think you have not read my posts. This would alarm me more in a game with one baddie team than a game with one, but I still find it eyebrow raising. Not becasue I am such a narcissist that I think it a requirement that people read my posts, but becasue I know our dynamic.

Do you have any reads at all?

I am going to work, I may be able to get back on now and then before 3PM eastern, I may not. xoxo all

One last thing, did anyone save the Zero poll?

Linki @Nanook, thanks for the reply. It really did not feel that way to me, but OK. On my way out the door, will think about this and get back to you later, bye!

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:34 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:57 am Still waiting for those hot takes

page 12 nutella is yucky

I am not seeing it, I think page 12 nutella is pretty ok. What exactly is yucky about her?


[mention]Michelle[/mention] thanks for the poll point out. And I will go back and check out your games as time allows.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:09 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm "im jack and ive never been wrong about nutella before so i have to put a maybe she's town in there to cover my ass"

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:57 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

are you like, reading from a clipboard? seriously what is this?

what have you done with jack??

would you actually be this obvious tho??

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

the first one into the second one is crucial for the next point

the amount of doubt she's presenting, yet still voting for Jack is scummy. feels like a really fake engagement and i read it as parroting of what nanook was doing with sig. it doesn't read as natural as nanook's frustration with sig.

she doesn't even know what she's being voted for and she starts the questioning only after placing a vote

ew

it reads really fake and staged up, the moment nutella points something that i actually am not seeing from jack and then instantly voting him the next post is bad.

The dark forces need to be brought down

As someone who has been playing with nutella for over 10 years (with some hiatuses [hiatii?]) I don't think she sounds fake. I think considering the back and forth Jack and she have had in many games, her thoughts on him sound pretty genuine.

But what I DO find yucky is this post:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:03 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:06 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:57 am Still waiting for those hot takes

We should lynch jack so he can go play the mountain of video games he needs to finish

No joke. Made a bunch of progress on my dwarf campaign in Total Warhammer yesterday.

Unfortunately, I’m unlynchable and obvious town so I’m not going anywhere until a mafia says so.

Per the rules,

10. Character claiming, roleclaiming and infodumping are illegal. You may say whatever you like in BTSC.



Plus this just reads like the classic baddie "valuable civvie" ploy (it used to have a spiffy name, but I forget what it was). "If you try to lynch me, you will be sorry." More than anything else you have said, this post makes me think you're bad, and you weren't King of my Shining Civvie Hill before this post.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now, it may change, but this post is like a "HI! I'M BADDIE McBADDERSON" nametag in my eyes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:43 pm

Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:43 am [VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

Dance.

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:13 am[snip]

I don’t care about this nanook sig radishes kerfuffle that happened between pages 6 and 10 roughly, I’m gonna go out on a limb and say jack is mafia this game. Just pure gut. I have no reason other than I think it.

[snip]

[VOTE: Jackofhearts2005] aubergine

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:37 am Per the rules,

10. Character claiming, roleclaiming and infodumping are illegal. You may say whatever you like in BTSC.



Plus this just reads like the classic baddie "valuable civvie" ploy (it used to have a spiffy name, but I forget what it was). "If you try to lynch me, you will be sorry." More than anything else you have said, this post makes me think you're bad, and you weren't King of my Shining Civvie Hill before this post.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine for now, it may change, but this post is like a "HI! I'M BADDIE McBADDERSON" nametag in my eyes.

Dom wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:13 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:46 am Jesus Christ....

My role isn’t unlynchable.

I, Jackofhearts2005, am unlynchable as a player. I have been playing mafia for 14 years and been mislynched like 5 times total.

Let's lynch this guy.

Jack votes other than nutella and I. I'll get into her later, there's a whole Jack/nutella Thing to review. Epi's vote is standard fare, and I won't bother interpreting it until I see what he does with any resulting Jack dancing. sprityo's motivation isn't far removed from my own. Pretty much gut stuff; his reads look random. S~V~S's vote looks extremely authentic to me, because she has not likely been around the site to be familiar with Jack's running "unlynchable" gag. Dom's vote exists. There's the only name on the wagon that immediately perturbs me.

I was unaware of this, although I do recall him saying it in a (I think) crossover game when he was bad teammates with Nutella, and I spent the whole game screaming to everyone that he was bad, and everyone ignored me. Good times

But for now I am still OK with my vote as that was what pushed it over the top for me; he was the person I mostly was pinged by before the Baddiesplosion becasue I feel there was a baddie benefit for at least one team to Vanilla, and of the Vanilla voters, Jacks vote was most drive by, followed by G Man. And I trust Nutellas read of him, and based on what I am seeing, I trust her.

It's early, there is time to move votes, but for now, I like my vote where it is.

Will fully catch up after work. Hasta la vista, honeys!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:54 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:12 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:09 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:06 pm Yeah, okay, I don't have the time or will to slog through the thread again. Just...give me someone(s) to ISO or summat.

Sloonei and Ted pops into my head as interesting ISOs for what it's worth.

Okie dokie.

Pre-ISO impressions:

Ted - liked his opening; I'd lean towards saying it's townie, with the caveat of a scum working hard to find the other team
Sloonei - when initially catching up on opening posts, I felt good about him; as I interacted with him in real time, I wasn't sure why; he feels quite reserved and prone to asking questions rather than help scumhunt - maybe that's his meta?

What does this mean? How do you distinguish my questions from something that you would call scumhunting?

Asking questions is a very valid way to find baddies. I have heard people say this before, and I am not sure what it means, tbh.

And noone asked me, but I think Jules is town based on how she answered a direct question. Her activity level is not generally alignment indicative. If anything I think she might post more when bad because she worries about being a low poster blendy baddie.

I thought she had some good content in her last two posts, too.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 am Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

Hi Sabie!

You and I often approach a thing from different directions, so you help me with perspective. I am looking forward to hearing your take on Jack and Nanook/Radishes when you get caught up.

This is 100% how Sloonei plays, he's like a prosecuter in a TV show about lawyers.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:30 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:16 pmYou've been saying this all game and haven't even hinted at a reason why. Why?

Well, strike the beginning of the game, cause I hadn't even read your posts. But I don't really remember much from your posts tbh. So maybe a better question is - what does your reads look like at this point?

Jack, SVS, juliets, sig are town.
nutella and ted are a tier below but still town. I think I feel good about Michelle too.
I tend to trust Jay out of the gate because we think along similar lines. If I find myself disagreeing with him down the road, he becomes a suspect.
Radishes is the only solid suspect that I have right now. I would like to branch out from that, but I'm lacking energy.

I have expressed most of these reads prior to now.

Obvs, I don't see eye to eye with you on Chuck, I agree re Jules and sig, though. I think nutella is civ, too. I had a good feel about Michelle, but I haven't reread her yet. Last time I saw Jay bad, he was VERY different to how he is here, so I am still getting a feel for him.

I would be OK with a Radish lynch as well, Nanooks reaction to that whole thing last night was too strong, I don't think I buy that he was an outraged bystander. I don't understand Ted or Dyslexicons game yet.

Do you have an opinion on Chuck? He has been really blendy and hasn't said much of substance. But after last GOC when i hounded him and he was civ, I don't much trust my gut on Chuck. He was also on my original "not a civ" list, as was G Man. I would like to hear more from them, I would like to hear from Tranq at all.

I just reread Dom, and he has some content going, not sure why he is taking votes?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:35 pm SVS seems like a really cool person.

But I don't get why I've seen a number of TRs on her.

Thank You!
What is a "TR"? Town read? Probably becasue my town game is a lot weirder than my bad game, I'm a pretty good baddie, and I tend to put more effort into a bad game so I'm smoother and less likely to say stupid shit. I play a civ game mostly solely on aggression, gut and tone. So I jup to alot of conclusions and backpedal more. At least this is my opinion of my game, results may vary based on the test audience.

And Linki is "linkitis" it means someone posted something relevant to what a person is posting while they were composing their post, so it's an acknowledgment that you say their post. It came from Lostpedia, I forget who coined it.

ebwop, *I don't see eye to eye with you on *Jack* (not Chuck)

All of the no posts are grey, and everyone else had posted when he made that, I think. I would be more likely to suspect him if he had not made one.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:55 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:53 pm All of the no posts are grey, and everyone else had posted when he made that, I think. I would be more likely to suspect him if he had not made one.

But there are sub-10 posters with no content who he's ranking too. I don't think a townie tends to worry about including everyone like that.

I think it's a GTH list, you have to make a snap judgment. That's why the only grays are people who have not posted.

This push towards Jay for Jay being Jay feels off to me, not unlike pushing towards Sloonei for being Sloonei. You have not played with me, but you have played with them, yes?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:57 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:48 pmI would be OK with a Radish lynch as well, Nanooks reaction to that whole thing last night was too strong, I don't think I buy that he was an outraged bystander. I don't understand Ted or Dyslexicons game yet.

Does this mean you think Nanook is teamed with Radish?
What does it mean that you don't understand my game (or Ted's game)? Can you be more specific?

Yes, that is what I am saying. You put me at the bottom of your rainbow earlier, you must have read my posts. Nanooks outburst felt to me like frustrated baddie chatroom anger spilling into the thread, I said pretty much this last night and more clearly this AM. But i am not as sure of their games so I was going to watch and see. I think he got too angry about a person not himself getting poked for something he felt was stupid. Annoyed, sure, but he seemed actively angry. I could be wrong, but this was how I felt.

And your game, and Teds, as well, your mindset, how you look at things. All these votes you make for no real reason and keep changing them, for instance. I am not sure what the point of that is, although I am sure there is one. I don't quite understand your process. Teds reasoning for what he does and thinks seems different enough to my own that I don't quite "feel" him yet. I am an intuitive player, I go by tone and feel, and sometimes I have to watch a person before I get a feel for them. People tend to think I am bad before they get to know me and my game, and that is frustrating as hell, so i try not to do that to other people if I can avoid it. Different =/= bad, so i will often reserve judgment if I don't grasp a persons motivations and/or actions.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:11 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:08 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:55 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:53 pm All of the no posts are grey, and everyone else had posted when he made that, I think. I would be more likely to suspect him if he had not made one.

But there are sub-10 posters with no content who he's ranking too. I don't think a townie tends to worry about including everyone like that.

I think it's a GTH list, you have to make a snap judgment. That's why the only grays are people who have not posted.

This push towards Jay for Jay being Jay feels off to me, not unlike pushing towards Sloonei for being Sloonei. You have not played with me, but you have played with them, yes?

Radishes and I have never played together.

OK, with his number of posts and quick jargon pick up I figured he had been in a few games and had probably played with all of the regulars.

Thanks for the take on Chuck, can you look at G Man? It will only take you a few seconds

And I'm for dinner and dog walking, my dog is getting very very pushy.

Get off that damn computer and TAKE ME OUT!!



linki @ Dys

I would say you have not seen my bad game and I probably explained my self meta poorly. And I hope I did not come across as snarky, that was not my intention. I look forward to learning your game better!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:05 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:03 pm 4. Not be Canadian. (No offense Canadians. )

sig bout to catch a modkill

I was thinking the same thing.

I still think I see civ nutella. In any case I trust her more than Jack so his read on her is irrelevant to me. Like baddies never make faux reads on civvies?

I felt Radishes was flailing a bit trying to find suspicions. Which, to be fair, may just be unfamiliarity with much of the player base. But his whole game felt that way. I could move to Radishes, but I am not voting nutella.

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine

Hi TH

So ... the case is tl; dr "Cause Jack says so" , yes?

She sounds pretty genuine to me. Night all see ya.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:33 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:31 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:20 pm I don't know why I feel resistance to read S-V-S as town. Cause she probably very well could be.

Good read

What? This is a terrible read. What does it even mean?

@ me in this I’ll explain later

Good

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:29 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:14 pm So ... the case is tl; dr "Cause Jack says so" , yes?

No.

I know it reads as if I was being facetious or flip here, but I wasn't. I am reading her the opposite to Jack, and while my track record isn't what his is, I trust me more than him. So when I take Jacks opinion out of the equation, I am not seeing it. I am not seeing the basis for a nutella vote.

I find this post reassuring, tbh. [mention]Epignosis[/mention]. Bad Juliets is nervous Juliets, especially when she is in the spotlight and being pressed. I don't even remotely see that here. I see vaguely annoyed Juliets, which is civ Juliets in my book. Unless there is a big change, I won't be voting for her anytime soon.

I also just read back over Nutella, and, again, I am not seeing what I look for when she is bad. Nutella is like you for me, Epi, in that when she is bad, I feel an undercurrent of "mean" in her posts, like the "silly civs" lulz are spilling from the chat into her game. Just that tinge of snark. It's totally absent, and while Jack may read her amazingly well, there will be the first time he is wrong, even if he isn't misreading her intentionally. So I am not going to trust his feels over my own, especially when I think HE may be bad.

I expect to be more busy at work today, but I will be around for EOD from about 4ish on, hopefully I can stay up until the end. When I do have time, I plan to reread a few people, I know I am susceptible to buddying, and a few people gave me some heebies and maybe even some jeebies. Leaving my vote where it is for now.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:27 am Hey I think G-man has decent odds at flipping scum by the way, anyone wanna talk about it?

Also, MR has been talked about by everyone early game, everyone threw jabs at him but he never got hard pushed so it makes me happier to see his wagon grow.

So was G-Man, but a much lower percentage.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:31 am Orange, JaggedJimmyJay? I make three posts, and that’s enough to land me in orange instead of neutral gray?

In a way, I guess I see it, what with the diarrhea-of-the-mouth-inducing playstyle you and others prefer. You have offended me, sir, and now I intend to bury myself in the deepest red of your rainbow reads so that I may ignore your demands for more content.

This post comes to mind as a scum post. I need to check if triple J commented anything on this because it's a horribad post

YES!! G Man has been getting into my mind as well. He has said he is busy and his wife does not know he is playing (and I know from the past that this is very possibly true, when I first 'met' him maybe 9 or so years ago, he had retired from playing for this reason back then and was only hosting) but I find him very concerning for reasons not unlike Jacks reasons for trying to lynch nutella, ironically. But that is why I have backburnered him to an extent; I don't want to try to lynch someone over his dynamic with me. But I found his vanilla vote disturbing, his lack of reasoning, especially in light of the discussion about whether the zero poll had benefits. One of the first things he does in a game is try to sort me out ever since we were teammates in BSG, and he has made no attempt to engage me at all. I have mentioned this several times, and nada from G Man.

Plus G tends do do long analysis posts himself, so not feeling his "diarrhea-of-the-mouth" playstyle remark up there. But yeah, I think he's being blendy and coasting. He is a conscientious civvie, and even if time is throttling him, he makes an effort to do his duty to the town. Not seeing that here.

And on phone at work, thanks (I think? lol) for the explanation re me you posted. I am on phone and can't multiquote, but I will try later to address it.

First, this rethinking of his thoughts makes Jack look better to me. It would be an easy coast for him to blow it off as, "I've never been wrong before " as a baddie, rethinking himself seems more a civ thing than a bad.

Second [mention]Turnip Head[/mention] in the last game I played I was BTS with civvie Nutella. She took suspicion in that game, and I don't recall anger as a reaction, I recall exasperation, which I have seen here. Elaborate plz, tell me what I am missing.

I'm gonna date myself here; I went to High School with Steve Guttenbergs younger sister, and he is just the nicest man. Made some horrible movies, but such a nice guy.

And yeah, TH, while I don't have reason at this point to doubt your sincerity of belief, I need more than a picture of ultra nice Steve Guttenberg to override my own gut.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:16 pm @S~V~S I think I asked you why you asked Radish about the word "baddie" when you didn't think it was a slip or anything AI? Were you just curious in general or something?

I was curious about where he had played, and who he played with, since I had never run into another community that used the word baddie, and I posted that remark at the tail end of a conversation where someone (Jay? Sloonei?) had been questioning Radishes about his experience.

Right after I posted it, Nanook pushed back at it, and it felt like he was implying stupidity, so I left the thread for a bit. When I came back, I saw sig running with it and then Sloonei telling him to back off, so I posted basically the above, that I was not trying to imply it was a slip. Which I was not.


[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

In that post where you talk about my vote, are you talking about my Radishes vote? I made a few posts well before I voted him discussing why I suspected him, so not sure what you are on about?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:56 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:54 pm Guess i don't have to catch up on 30 pages of posts right now.

juliets fell down the well!

I don't know what you mean -

It has to do with the Lassie role, he's being nice to you

RIP Nanook and Nutella. No civvies went, but no baddies went either, but it helped sort my thoughts a bit.

[mention]nutella[/mention] [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] remember you have only limited posts. Looking forward to hearing from you.

That post was badass, LC!

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:47 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:42 pm Also that lynch post was perfect. Salutations to you nanook.

I think this lynch result is a good look for Jack.

If he hadn't have backpedaled I'd agree. His post flip posts also read meh to me.

Why do you think he looks good from it.

I agree with Chuck, I think this was a good look for Jack, too, in conjunction with his waffling at the end. Had he not waffled, I might not have thought so.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:40 pm

It can be a very powerful tool for the civvies if dead civs use it the right way, especially in the case of mislynches. It's like getting the perspective of the victim in a murder case. It's harder for baddies that participated in spinning a mislynch to do so if the victim is still in the thread. It's an interesting mechanic.

@Anyone, has this mechanic been used in games here before? It's new to me, but often in champs games, mechanics and features from games played that year are featured.

Also, I never watched Gossip Girl, but I DO watch "You" so I'll vote Dan Humphrey.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:20 pm ...(Dizzy doesn't like me doing a Thing, so I'll expand, of course.)

Yeah, I asked who I should look at. Sometimes scum do that. Sometimes so do townies.

I've been trying not to play the 'I'm busy' card too hard because I'll end up a broken record, but I'm busy. I've not closely read everything. I'm going to be a follower this game, not a leader. Most of the D1 talking points (baddie-gate, for example) were not that worthwhile and by the time I was online they were over anyway, so I didn't bother to delve into them again. If I want to contribute to helping the town, I've got to do something.


The good news is now we have info, so I can play my own game.

How do you plan to use the information we’ve gained?

We know Nutella was not mafia. We know that mafia (of either team) are going to, therefore, gleefully nudge a mislynch. There will be scum on her wagon somewhere.

But that would have been the case if she were bad as well. With two bad teams the baddies are trying to lynch other team baddies for the cred. If anything the baddies want to avoid lynching civs with two teams, they let the civvies cannibalize themselves.

*voting for civs, not lynching civs

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:27 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:58 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:47 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:20 pm ...(Dizzy doesn't like me doing a Thing, so I'll expand, of course.)

Yeah, I asked who I should look at. Sometimes scum do that. Sometimes so do townies.

I've been trying not to play the 'I'm busy' card too hard because I'll end up a broken record, but I'm busy. I've not closely read everything. I'm going to be a follower this game, not a leader. Most of the D1 talking points (baddie-gate, for example) were not that worthwhile and by the time I was online they were over anyway, so I didn't bother to delve into them again. If I want to contribute to helping the town, I've got to do something.


The good news is now we have info, so I can play my own game.

How do you plan to use the information we’ve gained?

We know Nutella was not mafia. We know that mafia (of either team) are going to, therefore, gleefully nudge a mislynch. There will be scum on her wagon somewhere.

But that would have been the case if she were bad as well. With two bad teams the baddies are trying to lynch other team baddies for the cred. If anything the baddies want to avoid lynching civs with two teams, they let the civvies cannibalize themselves.

But the baddies don't know who the civs are either. (There, I said 'civs'.)

So we say Scum Team A knows nutella is not one of them. Therefore they have no issue seeing her go. There were only three proper wagons - nute, Jack, me - and Jack's went stale and died off. Members of Scum Team A, doing the usual thing, will 'spread out' a bit. They won't coordinate exactly, but the odds of at least one of them slipping into an easy vote are high. (And, equally likely, at least one of my voters is from Scum Team A as well, regardless of what you consider my own alignment to be.)


Basically, I'm playing the odds/going off many years' experience. Nutella had at least one scum voter on her somewhere.

Maybe in the final tally, but this far before EOD nah. It's possible, but lots of people had not voted and there were lots of tangent voters still.I

Linki, I think she had 5 or 6.
Link I @ Dys, and it pints me that you asked after saying you liked the post where I discussed it lol

Omg awful autocorrects lol sorry about that no more tablet posting

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:46 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:43 pmLink I @ Dys, and it pints me that you asked after saying you liked the post where I discussed it lol

I didn't ask. I posted a gif that I liked because there's always time for a Katya gif that's in theme.

But I didn't know that. Do you always get pinged by people who make earnest replies to your inside joke they didn't know about?

I think you moved into the orange. You're trying too hard to suspect me.

I think we would have learned more from today if we had had a normal lynch, that went to the end. So I think vote analysis is of less value than it may have been.

We had 18 votes cast out of 24 player (8 are baddies). So 6 had not even voted yet. I think it would be a conservative estimate to say, let's say 3, half of the not yet voters, could have been bad. That could leave only 5 mixed in in the people who already voted.

One of the non voters was also Dragomir, who has not posted at all.

When I am bad, I tend to try to make a big case and a big splash early to distract from lurking teammates, but I am an outlier. Most people don't do this. Of the people making big splashy cases, I found Mac the most suspish. He is also an outlier in general, and I saw him do something like it when he was bad when I hosted the Champs game with TH several years ago; make a big splashy play. [mention]Turnip Head[/mention],do you recall this? It was end game, though, so not exactly the same, I was thinking more of his thread play.

When I think back to my baddie games (and it's been a while, the last game I played I was civ), what I recall seeing the most on Day One in games with multiple baddie groups was lots of tangent voting unless you were like 99% sure one of the forming wagons was an opposing baddie. I tend to look hardest at tangent voters on Day One, people who were the only vote for a person. It's an easy way to skirt responsibility and have to answer for your vote if a civ is lynched, to be involved without actually being involved.

The singleton voters were TSP, sprityo, Radishes (lol @ whoever called him "Badishes") and sig. Of those four, sig had been making the case for Nanook pretty consistently, and was actively trying to form a wagon. The other three did not look much like they were trying to form wagons.

Of the three, TSP and sprit also voted for "Vanilla" in the Zero poll, and I am positive there were poll rewards. I think it is probable that some folks may have had info about what might benefit them. As an aside, it is notable that the Vanilla voters, with the exception of G Man, probably did not have much if any experience with Zero polls like this.

So I am going to focus on reading those 2 people, and also add in G Man, a Vanilla Voter, who was also a non voter. I think Badishes has enough people looking at him

Again, this is all less valid than it may have been had the poll gone to the end, they may have been placeholder votes, I may be silly fixating on the zero poll, etc. While I get Nanooks "use it or lose it" approach, I wish he had waited until Day Two (although he quite possibly would have taken me, given his "kill SVS with fire" remark, lol) so meh.

ebwop: It's an easy way to skirt responsibility and NOT have to answer for your vote if a civ is lynched, to be involved without actually being involved.

I have to be a better proofreader.