The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:35 pm I am thankful for mafia

I am thankful I randed town.

actually I wanted 3p

Thundercat wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 7:47 pm ill have a present please

You're coming too close to stealing my identity with your name tbh. Part of my name is from a cat named Thunder.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:35 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:25 pm "i am ned flanders and i am continually calling tutuu mafia because that will definitely help me correctly gauge her reactions and determine her alignment because i definitely know what im doing!!!"
Double scum points for excessive punctuation.

Are you an alt?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:58 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:56 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:28 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:17 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:15 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:11 pm

Cool.
But by your post you're insinuating you know I'm town.
Only scum would know that

Ya busted
But tutuuu randed town 37times. On a streak.
awww u remember the exact number it means u love me awwww

poison lock town

ive never actually seen u be town, have i?

yo guys watch out, poison is actually out of the world with her lying and manipulating skills

whoooos a cute little lying evil manipulator? whooooooooooooooooo? little POISON-CHANNNNNN <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3
Locking town on Page 1? Gross
But tutuu is right type of gross. But it is not gross at all.

You have trust issues. Dw I have too.
Truth.

I played a game of Maf once & got lied to by someone I trusted. Never again.
So exactly how are you going to make your town reads?

No townreads allowed, just varying degrees of distrusting people.

I play with someone who plays like that.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:41 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:36 pm
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:35 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 10:25 pm "i am ned flanders and i am continually calling tutuu mafia because that will definitely help me correctly gauge her reactions and determine her alignment because i definitely know what im doing!!!"
Double scum points for excessive punctuation.
Are you an alt?
Not on this forum.

Well that's a nice name Flanders. I hosted a Simpsons themed mafia game. Sloonei definitely stole my idea

Also how do I change themes?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:04 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:02 pm Also how do I change themes?
This is the enlightening syndicate theme I like it so far!

Light themes are annoying. Dark themes are nice.

Also it feels so weird to have my profile on the right. I've been active on forums for 5 years and it's always been on the left. I feel like I have to tilt my head to the right.

Nice, found my way back to the normal theme. Should I sheep Alison first post reads?

I do think Tutuu bringing up the Mastermind-Obliterator role in her second post is unusual but I'm not sure if that's scummy. Are there other reasons people are scumreading her?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:18 pm I do think Tutuu bringing up the Mastermind-Obliterator role in her second post is unusual but I'm not sure if that's scummy. Are there other reasons people are scumreading her?

I don't have enough experience with Tutuu to say whether her vibe is different in a scummy way. I've seen two town games of hers and she vibed very differently in those two games so I'm not seeing it as a huge surprise she has a different style and level of comfort again. I know she was less comfortable in the MafC game and that's why she vibed so differently early on. This game feels in between her Grasslands game and the Skyrim game on MafC in level of comfort.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:21 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:18 pm I do think Tutuu bringing up the Mastermind-Obliterator role in her second post is unusual but I'm not sure if that's scummy. Are there other reasons people are scumreading her?
I don't have enough experience with Tutuu to say whether her vibe is different in a scummy way. I've seen two town games of hers and she vibed very differently in those two games so I'm not seeing it as a huge surprise she has a different style and level of comfort again. I know she was less comfortable in the MafC game and that's why she vibed so differently early on. This game feels in between her Grasslands game and the Skyrim game on MafC in level of comfort.

Come to think of it, that could be suspicious because the Grasslands game is probably a more representative baseline for this game and the fact she feels less comfortable/joking than that baseline might be AI.

I think I'll just have to wait and see. It feels too early to get a confident read on Tutuu or anyone else.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:24 pm You're all overthinking it. Whenever tutuu is town she is super natural and gets towncleared by everyone immediately and always engages in zany roleplays. Her entrance this game was forced/awkward and had a bunch of people feeling bad about it. She felt like she was forcing herself to act like town tutuu more than anything. The reason I feel comfortable clearing her pretty hard early on in most games is because town tutuu is very difficult to comfortably fake as scum, and I think her behavior this game matches up with scum struggling to slip into her town meta.

Actually even in the Skyrim game on MafC Tutuu had a comfortable and friendly entrance but later got uncomfortable since it was a tough game in a lot of ways.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:27 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:25 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:15 pm everyone scum reading tutuuu. hmmm... what did she do wrong, I don't remember her getting scum read this early.
idk man haters with their unrealistic expectations
are you depressed because for so long you've been waiting to thrash us and show us how dangerous it was for us to always townclear you early and now when you finally rolled scum you get suspected immediately?

tbh me when I randed scum in a turbo yesterday and got dayvigged early d1 because "it would be really funny to shoot me"

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:25 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:15 pm everyone scum reading tutuuu. hmmm... what did she do wrong, I don't remember her getting scum read this early.
idk man haters with their unrealistic expectations

Is it okay if I link the MafC game as an example of you being serious as town or would you rather keep it private?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:31 pm did they really do that on perc? that's a tilt

yes

I swear we're usually better town than that >.<

https://mafiacafe.boards.net/thread/143 ... -mafia-win

Tutuu ended up being pretty serious by the end here since she wasn't comfortable in this game.

I'm hesitant to scumread Tutuu entirely based on being "less Tutuu" or "more serious," I think I'll just have to wait and see on her.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:35 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:35 pm https://mafiacafe.boards.net/thread/143 ... -mafia-win

Tutuu ended up being pretty serious by the end here since she wasn't comfortable in this game.
so you think she can be town here ?

I think it's possible. I don't have a read on Tutuu yet.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:39 pm thunal and alison might be town. i think their treatment of me makes sense

ned flanders might also be town

i think poison might be scum for this post

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:29 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:24 pm You're all overthinking it. Whenever tutuu is town she is super natural and gets towncleared by everyone immediately and always engages in zany roleplays. Her entrance this game was forced/awkward and had a bunch of people feeling bad about it. She felt like she was forcing herself to act like town tutuu more than anything. The reason I feel comfortable clearing her pretty hard early on in most games is because town tutuu is very difficult to comfortably fake as scum, and I think her behavior this game matches up with scum struggling to slip into her town meta.
yes she is not being what tutuu is about. her posts seems more "seriousy tone" if that makes sense.
i feel like town!poison would wanna protect me regardless of her read on me, this feels like scum!poison choosing to follow her win condition by shading me over defending me cuz she likes me

[VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Why would town!Poison protect you if she scumread you?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:40 pm why does town poison want to protect you if she agrees with the scumread on you, tutuu?

mindmeld

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:41 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:40 pm Why would town!Poison protect you if she scumread you?
townie mind meld

mindmeld mindmeld :P

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:42 pm that's it, we're masons

Lol let's see how many times we can mindmeld. Slight townread for this already tbh.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:45 pm

can u guys see my post? lol what is this

Which post? Oh no this is giving me flashbacks to a forum I left where an absurd amount of posts needed mod approval...

Eh I feel like Tutuu's in a different mood/mental state than she was in Grasslands where she was her more silly town self and I don't think that change in mood is necessarily AI.

I do slightly dislike how Poison seems static in her Tutuu read while others feel more fluid and considering more info (like Alison).

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:51 pm [VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Be back in a bit, going to nap

I was just about to say I was going to sleep

mindmeld

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:55 pm I do like Tutuus plea to get more leash. Nothing is more frustrating than being wrongly labelled early into a game and you're on the defence for the majority of the round.

Also if the thunal and alison masons thing is in fact a thing that would be huge. start clearing some people

Catching up rn and completely agreed. It's good to give people some space to change their meta, sometimes town don't want to play the same way every game.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:00 am i actually wonder if

poison being so incedibly scummy

could mean shes town

because as mafia and as 3p she has a great tone and gets townread?

but i cant remember if her tone as scum was genuinely that good or we all just underestiamted her and cleared her off of volume

its a bit crazy to think like that though. its more normal if i think "if poison is posting so scummy shes scum"

How is Poison "incredibly scummy" to you?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:15 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:52 pm I do slightly dislike how Poison seems static in her Tutuu read while others feel more fluid and considering more info (like Alison).
I see that, but I'm not sure Poison would be so static in the read with so many scum reading Tuutu if they're teammates. I doubt they're w/w

I'm not seeing them as W/W, I'm starting to think Tutuu is town for the frustration of "why can't I just switch up my playstyle?" I've seen that come from town more often than from scum. @tutuu Did you make a conscious effort to switch your playstyle this game or did it just come naturally?

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:16 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:19 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:58 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:56 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:55 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:51 pm [VOTE: Poison] aubergine

Be back in a bit, going to nap
but d1 haven't started yet.
You didn't seem to care when I voted tutuu earlier.
yea I'm scared you'd lynch me d0.
there's a lynch d0?!?!?

Stop it with the derp clearing.
d0 lynches are goat!

i remember someone dying by n0 vig. CRAZY.

n0 kills are not goat without a d0. I think d0 is basically an excuse to have a nightstart without people getting mad they didn't get to play. Also this is my first d0 without an elim so this will be different (I was in a bizarre game once where everyone was VT d0 and the elim decided who would be scum and town PR)

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:20 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:15 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:15 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:52 pm I do slightly dislike how Poison seems static in her Tutuu read while others feel more fluid and considering more info (like Alison).
I see that, but I'm not sure Poison would be so static in the read with so many scum reading Tuutu if they're teammates. I doubt they're w/w
I'm not seeing them as W/W, I'm starting to think Tutuu is town for the frustration of "why can't I just switch up my playstyle?" I've seen that come from town more often than from scum. @tutuu Did you make a conscious effort to switch your playstyle this game or did it just come naturally?
i am not making any difference in my playstyle

i am being genuine no matter what, that is my job as a member of the town

i began the game as i normally do, if u were the iso me

being antagonized by someone calling me mafia 10 times in a row and rubbing it in my face how smart he is and how obvious mafia i am, combined with multiple people deciding for me and telling me how im supposed to be acting, and when defending myself from those wrongly placed accusations / clearing up misunderstandings i get hit by another wave of terrible accusations for my defense for the first one, its like an endless loop with no escape. people just want me dead and they are not good enough in mafia to realize when they're wrongly tunneling a townie so they confbias themselves and talk themslves into saying stupid shit like its my fault for not doing what a proper town should be doing because they definitely know what a town should be doing. and its easier to push the idea that one person is being scummy than to push the idea that multiple ppl are playing poorly

Okay. I'm getting very similar vibes as from the MafC game in this post so I think this is a decent response.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:57 am Man, I'm so excited about the 3p roles idk why.

This reaction to there being 3p isn't really a towny response. I think it's >rand that you're scum or 3p from this.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:30 am
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:57 am Man, I'm so excited about the 3p roles idk why.
This reaction to there being 3p isn't really a towny response. I think it's >rand that you're scum or 3p from this.

that... is a bizarre thinking emoji.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:49 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:08 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:14 am It is not gross, and it was a silly/friendly thing to say

I do not have high hopes that my alignment, whatever that alignment may be, will win this game, after seeing the posts written in the thread so far...
if you're town, what makes you think town will lose just because they wrongly suspect you?
I think she is 3p and maybe more than one 3p is in trouble so she thinks that way......

I know you're excited about the 3p roles but this seems like clear 3p hunting and you aren't focused on the mafia.

Spiritual vote on Poison

I'm townreading Flanders because I think his aggressive treatment of Tutuu is indicative of him believing he actually caught scum. Also fights like the Tutuu/Flanders one tend to be TvT significantly more often than not.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:11 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:59 am I'm townreading Flanders because I think his aggressive treatment of Tutuu is indicative of him believing he actually caught scum. Also fights like the Tutuu/Flanders one tend to be TvT significantly more often than not.
I agree with both points, tho I'm totally fine with lynching anybody anytime who says "I'm town, but if I were Maf you'd never know cuz I'd mimic town"

So do you think this is a rarer instance of a TvS fight? I feel like Tutuu's frustration comes from a genuine place and she wouldn't care as much as she's doing right now if she were scum.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:11 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:59 am I'm townreading Flanders because I think his aggressive treatment of Tutuu is indicative of him believing he actually caught scum. Also fights like the Tutuu/Flanders one tend to be TvT significantly more often than not.
I agree with both points, tho I'm totally fine with lynching anybody anytime who says "I'm town, but if I were Maf you'd never know cuz I'd mimic town"
So do you think this is a rarer instance of a TvS fight? I feel like Tutuu's frustration comes from a genuine place and she wouldn't care as much as she's doing right now if she were scum.

While I think scum!Tutuu could be frustrated at being suspected for bad reasons, I think the repeating of "I'm genuine because I'm town" comes from town.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 12:43 pm The framing of TvT (im Assume this means town vs town?) as Tutuu vs Flanders seems odd to me. Yeah, Flanders suspects Tutuu, and got Tutuu to lash out, but compared to all the other hard reads of “Tutuu is bad” Flanders was one of the weaker ones.

Tutuu vs Nutella, Tutuu vs Poison, even Tutuu vs Falcon have a lot more meat on the bone in terms of potential TVT dynamics in my opinión.

Tutuu vs Flanders stuck out to me more because Tutuu specifically called out Flanders more than Nut or Falcon. I don't think Tutuu vs Poison is necessarily TvT because Poison didn't really seem interested in engaging with Tutuu about her scumread on her directly (wish I could factcheck this by looking at Poison's ISO but I reread bits of the thread and that's what I got from it).

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:15 pm everyone scum reading tutuuu. hmmm... what did she do wrong, I don't remember her getting scum read this early.

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:29 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:24 pm You're all overthinking it. Whenever tutuu is town she is super natural and gets towncleared by everyone immediately and always engages in zany roleplays. Her entrance this game was forced/awkward and had a bunch of people feeling bad about it. She felt like she was forcing herself to act like town tutuu more than anything. The reason I feel comfortable clearing her pretty hard early on in most games is because town tutuu is very difficult to comfortably fake as scum, and I think her behavior this game matches up with scum struggling to slip into her town meta.
yes she is not being what tutuu is about. her posts seems more "seriousy tone" if that makes sense.

@Poison what's the progression between these two posts? Why didn't you think "she is not being what tutuu is about" when she was acting differently in her first posts and you didn't scumread her?

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:27 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:25 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 11:15 pm everyone scum reading tutuuu. hmmm... what did she do wrong, I don't remember her getting scum read this early.
idk man haters with their unrealistic expectations
are you depressed because for so long you've been waiting to thrash us and show us how dangerous it was for us to always townclear you early and now when you finally rolled scum you get suspected immediately?
alison town.

This townread is so easy on a player that really shouldn't get easy townreads that it looks like TMI.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:19 pm Has the meta evolved to the point where mortal minds can read Nutella yet? I’m aggressively neutral on her right now (but really excited to play with her again )

Current spicyness ratings from spiciest to mafia
Chef Made
Alison
Falcon

Macdougall
Thunal
Rest
NIK
Nutella
TuTuu

Poison
Flanders

What changed your take on Flanders?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:30 pm So I'm here.

I would like to first disclose that my reads here on players (who are also in my other game) are going to be independent of my other game that I'm hosting; hypothetically speaking my reads on some players right now could be influenced by observing them in the other game & knowing their alignment as the host, and then comparing to this game.

If this presents too much of an ethical problem though then I'll see if I can get replaced. Otherwise, I would like to stop discussing the other game here.

Also
sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 16, 2020 6:40 pm Figuring what time of year it is a good estimate would be after thanksgiving say Friday the 27th
This doesn't warn me that a 24-hour D0 would begin on thanksgiving lol

This seems really towny that he's worried about having more info than others/potentially having an advantage while solving.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:37 pm If Alison just accused a player of TMI in a setup where no TMI is possible, I am inclined to read her as town.

but i might be misunderstanding that role.

I guessed that the mafia would know who each other are and just be anonymous in mafia chat but I'm not sure.

Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:04 pm Gun to head, Tutuu is bad and Alison is town, but like I don't think it's best practice to give too much weight to that w/o context b/c the ~~w a g o n o m i c s~~, especially on D0.

Do you have a stronger suspect than Tutuu?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:27 pm Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?

Hi account that's clearly a sockpuppet! Who are you?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:27 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:30 am
Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 1:57 am Man, I'm so excited about the 3p roles idk why.
This reaction to there being 3p isn't really a towny response. I think it's >rand that you're scum or 3p from this.
yeah agreed she posted about 3ps like obsessively for like 20 posts it's super weird

I also dislike that it felt like Poison was pushing Tutuu from the sidelines early on and only started suspecting Tutuu after a few others did. Like someone else (forgot who) said, it's like she wants Tutuu eliminated but doesn't want to get her hands dirty.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:36 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:35 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:27 pm Can I get a sockpuppet and you all just act like you don’t know it’s me?
Hi account that's clearly a sockpuppet! Who are you?
Gene Parmesan, how ya doing?

I'm doing fine, Mr. Parmesan. Do you have reads yet?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 5:04 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:35 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 5:03 pm -Mastermind-Obliterator: Makes Mafia members appear anonymous while in mafia chat. Counts as a Mafia Member. Steals Wincon from Mafia if Mafia wins. Can Obliterate players at night by matching players to roles.
*SECRETS*
is tmi even possible in this setup?
this is tmi :wowee:

I know Sloonei wasn't all that motivated at the start of Grasslands but that's the only time I played with him, so is low motivation at the start actually wolf indicative for him?

I'm unsure on Sloonei but I feel like Nutella's push on him is towny. I think scum would be scared to push Sloonei here.

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