The Syndicate

Dom wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 7:18 am i saw weird al in concert this summer
with a 40 piece orchestra.
on a whim
because they had an extra ticket

i did not regret it.

This is weirdly poetic in a “bad instagram poem” sort of way

Alright let’s get this started. Who’s scum and why is it sig?

I’ve waited an hour and a half and no one has given me the “Epi is scum for voting in the day zero poll and not talking” take so here it is no free points allowed

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:36 am It isn't a new decade. You start counting at one. You don't start counting at zero.

One (2011), two (2012), three (2013), four (2014), five (2015), six (2016), seven (2017), eight (2018), nine (2019), ten (2020).

Happy new decade in 2021.

Epi’s right and he’s town for counting correctly

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:57 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:56 am I’ve waited an hour and a half and no one has given me the “Epi is scum for voting in the day zero poll and not talking” take so here it is no free points allowed
Why don't you vote for him then, huh punk?

I like him

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:34 pm Yeah, it's a good idea to make players not play the game

alternatively no one does anything today so they can play mafia

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:47 pm Do we start counting the length of a mafia game from Day 1 or Day 0?

Day 0 is just day 1 but with less pressures it’s like having the first negotiation phase of Diplomacy be longer even though everyone has like two options because you have to get settled in. So start from Day 0.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:17 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:34 pm Yeah, it's a good idea to make players not play the game
Phony indignation.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
There it is.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Creature acted exactly the same way last game where he was civ.
Recency bias.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

There’s not much going on but I don’t think I have a take on this besides everyone is wrong.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:01 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:00 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:47 pm Do we start counting the length of a mafia game from Day 1 or Day 0?
Day 0 is just day 1 but with less pressures it’s like having the first negotiation phase of Diplomacy be longer even though everyone has like two options because you have to get settled in. So start from Day 0.
Joke.

TSP's head.

My head is just fine thank you

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:08 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:24 pm Alright let’s get this started. Who’s scum and why is it sig?
Thanks for your non-contribution

Welcome

Really decades are socially constructed and this prescriptivism about what’s actually correct undermines the fact that it doesn’t matter when a decade ends.

But Epi’s right

I’m still waiting for the “everyone talking about years is scum” take. Free opportunity for town points! Scum take heed!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:10 pm Everyone talking about everyone talking years being scum is scum.

hey that’s mine go a layer deeper

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:36 am It isn't a new decade. You start counting at one. You don't start counting at zero.

One (2011), two (2012), three (2013), four (2014), five (2015), six (2016), seven (2017), eight (2018), nine (2019), ten (2020).

Happy new decade in 2021.

Hi Timmer, who is scum and why is it Sig?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:04 pm

Vote: dyslexicon

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:13 pm Does anyone have any reads? I don't.

This post saves you from a scum read. Sloonei is giving me tinglies, I think Epi is town. That’s basically all.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:03 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:49 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:22 pm sloonei please care
about me
You couldn't stop me if you tried.
: o
Dom, I've been wrong about you in a few games recently, I think. Have I been right about you in any?

I’m pretty sure I have a zero percent success rate on Dom.

Dys just followed my (pretty random) voting twice and called me town. I should be suspicious, but I’m rather flattered.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:59 pm Tony, I don't want to vote Timmer anymore. Who should I vote?

DDL hasn’t shown up in a while. That’d be my fourth choice

timmer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:37 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:04 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:37 pm A quarter lynch?
Celebrating one correct lynch after three incorrect lynches
Oh, so most games? Yeh.

Real town only celebrates when they win. Scum celebrate half measures.

I have half a mind to start the buckets exercise early this time. Maybe I’ll pull out a notepad later.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:55 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:43 pm Dizzy, why did you describe "Mac and Quin" as such in that order?

Why not "Quin and Mac" ?
Probably because that's the order I read them in the voting poll when I rechecked who's in the game.

Thanks for calling me Dizzy btw. You're a good lad.
Teammates.

Do teammates ever ask such vapid questions? Is that a thing?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:57 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:55 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:43 pm Dizzy, why did you describe "Mac and Quin" as such in that order?

Why not "Quin and Mac" ?
Probably because that's the order I read them in the voting poll when I rechecked who's in the game.

Thanks for calling me Dizzy btw. You're a good lad.
Teammates.
Do teammates ever ask such vapid questions? Is that a thing?
I suppose you think they don't? Are you new here?

I mean no more than anyone else. This isn’t an interaction I’d look back on if one flips scum and say the other one’s scum for it. I’d probably give a slight town read just because who would ask a teammate why they ordered words in a certain way?

To clarify I don’t think it’s always a stupid question I actually think it’s one of those weird questions that can get a lot more information than appears but if they’re both scum then it’s just stupid.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:09 am I voted for LC because DDL's post is the first post I read and I think it's important that we work together even if DDL is scum because I don't know if he is or isn't so taking a punt on that is good.

Good odds that this is intentional but this is also a bad post

Quote- Wilgy: I like this hot take. Can you think of any reasons for my line of questioning?

I will now take a moment to expound upon the “ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer” mafia philosophy. In short, Mafia doesn’t like giving stupid answers. Town doesn’t either, but they’re more likely to call out the question than do anything silly. So when Wilgy asks a question like “why did you do this specific thing” he might have a tell in mind, or he might have a vaguely acceptable range of answers and a specific one that scum would give, but more broadly the idea is that Mafia doesn’t give stupid answers. Why have I expounded on this? Two reasons. Which I will lay out in just a second because I am posting from my phone.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:09 am I voted for LC because DDL's post is the first post I read and I think it's important that we work together even if DDL is scum because I don't know if he is or isn't so taking a punt on that is good.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:12 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:58 am I also have a hunch on LC

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Feels like hes more self-contained than usual or something.
I'll vote you back for forgetting that apostrophe. [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Looking at these last two votes, LC’s is stupid and Mac’s is weird stupid. Weird stupid isn’t the most scum, but it gives off the tinglies.

Is this all a weird stupid reason to be voting Mac, thus rendering me scum by my own logic?
Simple. I am not bound by logic.

@dizzy
It gave me tinglies

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:57 pm Agreed... bringing up voting inactives early is a classic ping but bringing up NOT voting inactives when literally no one was suggesting it is kind of odd... and this after Sig has had vey little time to chew on the game.

alternatively what’s the motivation? Scum looking down at 1/2 inactive teammates and trying to get out in front of the bullet on a slow day 1 is what Epi’s suggesting but I think more likely, especially given not much time in the game, it’s a “let’s not talk about this thing that comes up a lot and is stupid”.

bimbo 0/5
Creature 1/5
Dom 4/5
Dragon D. Luffy 1/5
DrWilgy 1/5
Dyslexicon 5/5
Epignosis 4/5
Long Con 2/5
MacDougall 1/5
Quin 0/5
sig 3/5
Sloonei 3/5
Sorsha 0/5
timmer 2/5

So here’s a rating of players and roughly how much they’ve left an impression on me. I’d expect this to correlate to post count.

Sorted:

Dizzy - 69 (nice)
Epi - 21
Dom - 10
Sloonei - 41
Sig - 12
Timmer -18
LC - 18
Wilgy - 10
DDL - 7
Creature - 28
Mac - 3
Quin
Sorsha
Bimbo

The idea with this is I tend to get the idea that scum players get in less fights or leave less an impression. That’s not foolproof, but whenever I get a “meh” feeling about someone it’s usually because they’re posting but I don’t feel like I remember what they’re saying or they seem to have just a few set goals in mind.

Standouts: Creature is low but that’s semi-expected on meta. Dom is high, probably town look for him. Sig is probably high on recency bias. Everything else is mostly in line.

Result: slight town read on Dom, no other changes

timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:14 pm bimbo 0/5
Creature 1/5
Dom 4/5
Dragon D. Luffy 1/5
DrWilgy 1/5
Dyslexicon 5/5
Epignosis 4/5
Long Con 2/5
MacDougall 1/5
Quin 0/5
sig 3/5
Sloonei 3/5
Sorsha 0/5
timmer 2/5

So here’s a rating of players and roughly how much they’ve left an impression on me. I’d expect this to correlate to post count.

Sorted:

Dizzy - 69 (nice)
Epi - 21
Dom - 10
Sloonei - 41
Sig - 12
Timmer -18
LC - 18
Wilgy - 10
DDL - 7
Creature - 28
Mac - 3
Quin
Sorsha
Bimbo

The idea with this is I tend to get the idea that scum players get in less fights or leave less an impression. That’s not foolproof, but whenever I get a “meh” feeling about someone it’s usually because they’re posting but I don’t feel like I remember what they’re saying or they seem to have just a few set goals in mind.

Standouts: Creature is low but that’s semi-expected on meta. Dom is high, probably town look for him. Sig is probably high on recency bias. Everything else is mostly in line.

Result: slight town read on Dom, no other changes
I'd be curious to see how this works without day 0. I find some people are happy to chat when it doesn't count but then clam up

Probably not enough data to make a set. I might start recording day by day impressions, I think it’s a good thing to have on the spreadsheet

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:26 pm I voted for Mac and called him a name and he couldn't even be bothered to reciprocate.

Jack used this once to justify lynching me day 1 and I have never been more upset about correctly being called out

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 5:24 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:17 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:34 pm Yeah, it's a good idea to make players not play the game
Phony indignation.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
There it is.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

Creature acted exactly the same way last game where he was civ.
Recency bias.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine
There’s not much going on but I don’t think I have a take on this besides everyone is wrong.
please explain

Epi’s wrong cause it’s not recency bias cause Creature has a pattern of acting like that. DDL is wrong for thinking that Epi is overreacting for tossing an early vote on Creature. Creature is wrong for being obnoxious.

I have a MTG tournament to get to. Might be able to check in, but some thoughts on EOD:
Voting for DDL. That’s all on thoughts. I don’t mind a dizzy or LC Lynch, but dizzy has a high participation rate which is good for the game and I think I can read LC pretty well and I don’t have any real thoughts about him right now.

Less succinctly, on principle Id never lynch a d1 high poster unless I feel like they’re actively trying to steer the game in favor of scum. I don’t think that Dizzy has much of an agenda. Not to say that Dyz is thus always town, but it makes the D1 lynch less profitable.

What’s going on I’m here who’s dead

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:14 pm Yeah, I'm ready to turn on Tony now. The way he was buddying me and then "I don't mind lynching Dizzy mebeh but" left me all bothered and sad.

But now I really have to work.

Great last second lynch. 10/10. Would do again.

I was buddying you?
Also
Turn on me?
What

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:01 pm Hiya TSP.

Who's Quin's teamate?

I just read to here and I have no idea what happened

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:12 am Oh wait, he was bad? I saw the word vanilla and read it as civilian, holy shit, lol!

This is forced

Update I know what’s going on now. Sloonei and Dizzy are telling me that they’re lock town along with Quin and Timmer. I think that comes with some caveats but I’m willing to accept it for now. I’ll have to wait for the final polling to put anything as a for sure, but I think you have

Confirmed* Town
[Sloonei
Quin
Dizzy
Timmer]

Town people:
[TSP
Dom
Epi]

Meh:
[Sig
LC
DDL
Wilgy]

Who?:
[Mac
No Show 1
No Show 2]

Anyone wanna give me odds remaining mafia are in solely the bottom two groups?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:46 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:43 am
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:12 am Oh wait, he was bad? I saw the word vanilla and read it as civilian, holy shit, lol!
This is forced
This is forced

This is wait what sometimes words don’t mean anything when they are used in a way that doesn’t make sense

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:48 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:43 am
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:12 am Oh wait, he was bad? I saw the word vanilla and read it as civilian, holy shit, lol!
This is forced
I'm literally the guy whose vote lynched Creature, but ok.

1) I hadn’t read that yet
2) not sure it vindicates you

Dizzy is using trying to spend up all of the “I am confirmed town” cred as quickly as possible

I imagine even town members play differently if they don’t fear being lynched maybe that’s what Dys is doing

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:25 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:25 am Dizzy is using trying to spend up all of the “I am confirmed town” cred as quickly as possible
You can't spend it up. U mad?

If I could conceive of a likely world where you were scum and day 1 went down as it did (and I think you’re the most likely scum just on positioning of the bunch but that’s not particularly strong) I would be absolutely convinced we’re in that world.

Like based on solely your last 5 posts I am sure you’re scum

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:30 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:26 am I imagine even town members play differently if they don’t fear being lynched maybe that’s what Dys is doing
I don't know where you're going with this. I don't fear being lynched on this site, it's whatever, people don't know me as well. I'm excited we lynched scum. I'm generally an annoying let's get to it player as town, so yeah, if I'm around, I'll just post, push, do whatever and try to further narrow the game down. I don't know why that would be upsetting.

I’m not upset I just think that your last posts are scum and I’m unable to reconcile that with any logical possibilities and that’s why I’m upset.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:56 am Tony, why are you going specifically after the Fearsome Four? Do you agree with Epi that there's likely a baddie among them?

I don't really want to go after them. They all came together to lynch a baddie Day 1, in hot-potato fashion. That's good enough for me to want to look elsewhere for the next lynch.

This is agendaed.

Also am I specifically going after the “fearsome four”?
But I’ll take the question in good faith.
No there’s almost never a baddie among them which is why Dizzy can open wolf and probably be fine.

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