The Syndicate

Hey guys

Vote leetic

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:45 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 10:22 pm Usually much more has happened by now. This feels weird.

Right now, [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine. He is usually one of the more active people who tries to get stuff going, but right now his only contributions have been setup speculation. I'm not really seeing him trying to get any meaningful discussion going so I have to be suspicious.
I would also say the same about JaggedJimmyJay, but he's Schrödinger's player right now. I'll join you on the Sloonei vote, he has three posts and they're all about an issue that's above his pay grade as a player. In A World Asunder, town Sloonei opened Day 1 with two town reads and a vote on a suspect. [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

This is perhaps worse than the Leetic but it’s heart is in the right place

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:28 am I approve of drago so far.

Really? Cause he defended you or other reasons

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:05 am I can see how ts account could have interpreted my reaction to him as an aggressive push to “get him lynched.” I’m not sure what his mafia experience is, but it’s believable that that sort of overt manipulation is not irregular to him.

It is not how I operate regardless of my alignment.

False town Sloonei aggressive lyncher

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:16 am Sloonei is town. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him talking mechanically. It's not pro anything and doesn't deter the game at all. An argument could be made that it is beneficial towards the game and lets you understand what could be going on. That newfound understanding can better your reads.

Why was Sloonei being voted for mechanical talk? Ts why are you gungho about it? I can't help but agree with Sloonei that suspecting someone over mechanical is suspicious in of itself. It's lazy and never actually feels like a genuine read. Furthermore, scum use this too much to get by with their fake suspicions. Thus why it feels lazy and not genuine.

I don’t like this post from Drago. Ironically it’s seems like something I’d post but that’s irrelevant.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:12 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:16 am Sloonei is town. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him talking mechanically. It's not pro anything and doesn't deter the game at all. An argument could be made that it is beneficial towards the game and lets you understand what could be going on. That newfound understanding can better your reads.

Why was Sloonei being voted for mechanical talk? Ts why are you gungho about it? I can't help but agree with Sloonei that suspecting someone over mechanical is suspicious in of itself. It's lazy and never actually feels like a genuine read. Furthermore, scum use this too much to get by with their fake suspicions. Thus why it feels lazy and not genuine.
I don’t like this post from Drago. Ironically it’s seems like something I’d post but that’s irrelevant.
Tell me more

The defense hinges on what amounts to a non-existent part of the case. It seems like Drago is more focused on earning town cred

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:59 am ok i gotta ask what's up with radish and turnip accs viewing the thread

at first i saw a turnip and was like "cool" but now there's also a radish and does the syndicate have a root vegetable fetish?

Yes.

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.

So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
There exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.

Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.

Happy?

I like this post.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:42 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:34 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.

So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
There exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.

Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.

Happy?
I like this post.
Why do you like it?

I’m on the side that continuing on this point is a good look for the one being called Mikey for one. Further, I think the reasoning is sound.

Funnygurl earlier said that Ted was townish for voting Leetic because the vote was spicy. I like the reasoning. But I don’t like that for 2 reasons:
1) Leetic was one of only four people who had votes already
2) thats it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:05 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:53 pm Funnygurl earlier said that Ted was townish for voting Leetic because the vote was spicy. I like the reasoning. But I don’t like that for 2 reasons:
1) Leetic was one of only four people who had votes already
2) thats it
I do not understand what you like and dislike here.

I like the argument that spicy voting = town. But I think it’s a little suspicious that 1) voting for Leetic could be considered spicy and 2) she didn’t say anything about me, the other Leetic voter. Unless I missed something.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:15 am May I interest you guys on TonyStarkPrime or TSP? Dawg hasn't done anything this game besides a few thoughts on me that haven't gone anywhere.

I’m like a fine wine

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:20 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:19 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:16 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:19 pm All Role PMs have been sent! It is now D1, which will end at a majority vote or by April 2, 7pm EDT.

For somebody opposed to mechanics discussions, you're quick to point out mechanics to people like me.
This is the worst post I've read today.

I liked it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:15 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:11 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:01 am Sloonei can you list all the people who have been notably assertive about town reading you vs. those who have been suspecting you?
LC and leetic voted for me very early on but I would not say that either of them have sustained any suspicion against me. ts account is the only one who I think has been actively suspicious of me as the day has progressed. Turnip Head briefly mentioned me once or twice but I was unclear where that ended up or how serious the suspicion was.

Just about everyone else has expressed some degree of a town read on me. I don't specifically remember speedchuck or tony having anything to say about little old me.

Drago and funnygurl would be the two most "notably assertive" town reads. Both of them stood up to defend me at various points early on. I've voiced my concerns about funnygurl's handling of me already: she defended me against specific accusations but never provided any independent thoughts on me.
I think that there has definitely been a general pro Sloonei vibe so I'm inclined to see people suspecting you as town. The mafia would be avoiding fabricating cases on you in this thread state and if you are one, well naturally they're probably not grilling you hard. I'd say that if you are Mafia, Funnygirl might be. But if you are town I'd be inclined to near townlock TS Account based on what you are saying.

Alternatively, he doesn’t want to back down. I’ve taken some crazy swings at cases against widely read townies before as scum. Easy points and no one seriously thinks you’re trying to lynch the person who’s never getting lynched.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:51 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:19 am
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:16 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 5:19 pm All Role PMs have been sent! It is now D1, which will end at a majority vote or by April 2, 7pm EDT.

For somebody opposed to mechanics discussions, you're quick to point out mechanics to people like me.
This is a horrible post for Epi.

could be that only I liked it

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:40 pm I'm going to assume TSP is normally this in the background.

As town during school yeah

I’m still catching up but I’m taking my vote of TH. 5 is dangerous in a hammer game.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:24 pm tsp's posts have been forgettable to me but we're on the same wagon so sure i guess i can hold off on reading him for now

I thought I called you scum I’m devastated that that means so little to you.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:00 pm Maybe you're not a wolf, but you're a wolf read to me.

^

linki : I don't know what that means.

Associative fallacy — x is bad therefore what x says is bad
Someone probably explained this

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:22 pm TonyStarkPrime has twelve posts and and I count only one opinion that is expressed without hedging language.

I’ve been taking the maybes and perhapses out of my emails today. It’s an overall problem.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:11 pm Let the record show that tedxtr currently appears to be implying that he will be killing me tonight.
You might very well think that, I couldn't possibly comment.

You actually can as a mechanics expert I can tell you that claiming might be allowed I don’t rememebr

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:00 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:40 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:59 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:56 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:08 pm Whoever feels like working with baby yoda @ me because I've decided that's the healthy way for me to play mafia

I feel as though that's maybe 2 people at best but I'll take what there is and form a small cult or something
if you're willing
What are your scum reads and why?
I dont have any strong wolf reads, but I'm suspicious of lc, leetic, and epi.

lcs promised a stronger performance and hasn't delivered, instead choosing to quip in thread with a few people. looks more like damage control than a willingness to solve

leetic doesn't look like he's sincerely wolf hunting, still

ive said this before but idk hasn't done much and literally just copied my tsp read

radish looks good I think Ted vs radish is more likely tvt than not
Yes he has. LC's made some really high effort analysis. It's totally new LC territory. What game are you reading? Your read on him demonstrates you haven't read the last several pages. Perhaps do so.

Wasn’t commenting until this point but this is correct

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:48 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:33 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:20 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:18 pm I need an explanation as to how I called out two townies and a scum bud. There has yet to be a single one and it's infuriating.
Would you like me to pull out the big imaginary book of mafia again?
Go ahead.
Well, there is a chapter or two dedicated to a rather nebulous concept that I have seen various facets of all referenced as "rule of three" or "rule of thirds". For a multitude of complementary reasons, a wolf will list three players (because groups of three are inherently more satisfying), one of which will be a scumbud, two of which will be townies. This scumtell mostly goes over my head on paper, but it is one of those things that you intuitively understand better than one could explain it to you, like WIFOM. It also refers to the tendency to put two thirds of one's scumbuds into their town reads, and one third into their null/scum reads. Googling this concept does not fetch me any suitable results, either. So, in this instance, you calling out three players specifically is slightly more likely to come from scum, and it is likely that exactly one of the three is a scumbud of yours given you are scum.
This the dumbest scumtell I've ever seen. When you ignore everything else, it sounds all dandy and all but you do you realize how illogical it is. Did my explanation not add up with the action that I took? I believed that the day was ending soon so the wagons that have only one vote are pointless since they won't be getting lynched. So by staying on those wagons and not touching the leading ones, you keep your hands clean and avoid potential incrimination as what you do in the EoD could hurt you later on. In my effort to not let scum get away like this, I call out those who are on a wagon by themselves and express my desire for them to change their votes. I refuse to let any potential scums stay in a comfort zone and not be challenged. If scum are comfortable how can they make any slips? Now, that doesn't mean I believed that Sloo and Mac were scum(LC yes). I just wanted them getting dirty in case if they were scum, they don't stay comfortable.

Does that not make sense? How do you look at a supposed "scumtell" and ignore everything that comes alongside with it in order to assert a scum read on a player? That's not fair nor reasonable.

It’s definitely not Drago

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:00 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:55 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:51 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:50 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:43 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:25 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm ... am I speaking english or what y'all? what is the difference between what I have said about TSP and what epi said? rn its just the person who said it.
You don't want to read tsp because he's voting for someone you're voting. I want to find out as to why that should stop you.
because right now we're agreeing on something and I'd prefer to wait for more information. like, guys...
What kinds info?
like, what is leetics alignment? what about ted? what about sloonei who likes leetic? who will tsp spar with in thread?
Why do you need the first 3 in order to make a read on tsp?
associations are important when making reads for me. tsp is voting for leetic. ted and leetic had a little battle and dont look like wolf buddies. sloonei is town reading who tsp is voting for and started doing so pretty early

none of these could definitively solve tsp, but it helps

unfortunately this doesn’t seem like faked logic

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:36 pm I am officially vetoing Long Con suspicion for the remainder of this day.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:24 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:22 pm TonyStarkPrime has twelve posts and and I count only one opinion that is expressed without hedging language.
I’ve been taking the maybes and perhapses out of my emails today. It’s an overall problem.
Alright TSP is a wolf. Everyone off the pile.

I did that’s a true true story

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:44 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:11 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:07 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:39 pm Right now the way you are behaving gives me the sense you want to be in control for the EOD, and all I can say is that does not make me feel so good about you. I do not think I would hang you today, however.
What's wrong with wanting that? Civilians should want that.
Townies usually have preferred outcomes and push toward those, whereas Dragomir's tone is the inverse and seems to be guiding people away from their unfavorable outcomes. It is something either alignment could do, but here I am leaning it wolf.
In other words Dragomir doesn't care about the roof.
This is the best terminology to come out of a mafia game ever.
What is?

It’s not that good to be honest

Okay it’s not Sloonei, LC, Drago, TS
Probably not Mac, Epi, MR, FG
Could be Leetic, Speed, Ted, TH
rainbow

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:40 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:30 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

He's obviously a wolf. TSP is also. I'd say the third one is Sloonei. Wrap it up.
Literally what the fuck dude?
I changed my mind.
town points. wolf wouldn't wanna go for being obviously inconsistent

One time Mac said I was the towniest person in the game then that I was scum and he knew it all along and built a case and then that I was town and anyone voting for me didn’t want to win in the span of two hours. We were both scum.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:14 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:38 pm I have a soft mindmeld with leetic re: sloonei. However, I'm more suspicious of it because I do not think speculation of sloonei's nature is pro-town in any way. Since it is early enough in the game, this read is more of a town read on leetic than a condemnation of sloonei. I also want to point out TonyStarkPrime's callout of LongCon (and sloonei's somewhat, but Tony was not involved before this) which I think is not justified.

I can't make any more judgements until RVS is over, which is hopefully soon.

PS The submit and preview buttons are backwards.
I don't recall you ever following up on this tsp thought. Did something change for you on him?

also what did I say?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:25 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:14 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:38 pm I have a soft mindmeld with leetic re: sloonei. However, I'm more suspicious of it because I do not think speculation of sloonei's nature is pro-town in any way. Since it is early enough in the game, this read is more of a town read on leetic than a condemnation of sloonei. I also want to point out TonyStarkPrime's callout of LongCon (and sloonei's somewhat, but Tony was not involved before this) which I think is not justified.

I can't make any more judgements until RVS is over, which is hopefully soon.

PS The submit and preview buttons are backwards.
I don't recall you ever following up on this tsp thought. Did something change for you on him?
also what did I say?

oh that was page 1

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:28 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:25 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:14 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:38 pm I have a soft mindmeld with leetic re: sloonei. However, I'm more suspicious of it because I do not think speculation of sloonei's nature is pro-town in any way. Since it is early enough in the game, this read is more of a town read on leetic than a condemnation of sloonei. I also want to point out TonyStarkPrime's callout of LongCon (and sloonei's somewhat, but Tony was not involved before this) which I think is not justified.

I can't make any more judgements until RVS is over, which is hopefully soon.

PS The submit and preview buttons are backwards.
I don't recall you ever following up on this tsp thought. Did something change for you on him?
also what did I say?
Wdym?

I was confused about what TS said

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:01 am @leetic how do you feel about Long Con and Master Radishes?

@TonyStarkPrime same question?

And how do you two feel about one another?

LC probably town.
No thoughts on Radishes.
Leetic probably scum.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:01 am @leetic how do you feel about Long Con and Master Radishes?

@TonyStarkPrime same question?

And how do you two feel about one another?

LC probably town.
No thoughts on Radishes.
Leetic probably scum.

Leetic is putting in real work here.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:26 am That seriously is a bad look. A townie should not be out here making posts just to contribute.

But they do. It's a natural motivation.

Spoiler: show

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:26 am
leetic wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:23 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:38 pm I want to return to this post as well:
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:51 am Reads on a few more active players:

Dragomir: I think a lot of his posts have been more CWAC. I mean, there's very little that he has posted that Sloonei hadn't already posted, and he's only interacting with the same people that Sloonei had been. GTH scum, because I do not see him making his own content.

Funnygurl: Likely town, seems similar to her town play in the hydra game.

Master Radishes: I do like their posts so far, does seem like they are trying to solve the game and approaching multiple players, so town read.

Sloonei: I'd say town, as he is now trying to get discussion going.

tedxtr: I honestly am not a fan of this slot, I explained why their vote for me was kinda lame and I don't really like his "Was to shoot shit around, I wanted to bait a reaction or something", it seems like backtracking given that his initial vote for me was laden with the same amount of reasoning. Scum read for sure.

ts account: His play in this game is much different than what I'm used to, he's much more tunnelly than he usually is and is much less casual during D1. I haven't seen his scum play yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is it.
No one asked for this and it did not seem like it had any direction to it. leetic just plopped down six reads on six sporadically-selected names. I could see this being the product of a big bad wolf who wants to look proactive. The reads are all pretty superficial, and we can see the seeds of his ted vote which he is still clinging to at this very moment, and which I've just highlighted as the basis for my current vote. The dragomir suspicion also seems arbitrary, and the ts read is the kind of loosely-held suspicion that I could see as a mafioso putting a pin in a case in the event that it gains momentum later on.
They were the six most active people at that point. I couldn't go too deep into them as I had a physics class at 11 and I just wanted to contribute something before then

Wait, so are you admitting to forced contribution in order to get brownie points?
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This is something I have a game problem with. Every townie has a goal of fulfilling the town win con. 99 percent of the time, that means not getting lynched if you can help it. A lot of us have developed a smooth town meta as to protect ourselves from being nightkilled early or caught too easily as scum.
But there's nothing inherently wrong with working to get town-read as town by doing actual work. The difference between town and scum isn't that only scum wants to be seen as town with.
Besides, wanting to contribute to the game isn't bad. Why would you feel the need to contribute as scum? Because you have an obligation to the team, the same you have as town.

Drago's still throwing me off. Drago, you have the uncanny ability to show up when you get mentioned in the thread, so can you say something interesting that I can comfortably townread you for?

A mechanics note: discussion post hammer is allowed and the thread will be closed during the night. Therefore, we should lynch someone with some time to spare for debrief.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:21 pm Also,

Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:56 pm Radish and TSP are my remaining null reads.
I'm not personally offended or anything, but really? No read on me? Is it unfamiliarity?

I don’t really have a strong read on you, but I maybe chalk that up to unfamiliarity. I don’t think we’ve both been alive in a game for more than two days before.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:01 pm We’re close enough to the deadline now that we can start positioning ourselves for a hammer.
Do you have a lot of experience with this mechanic? I have experienced it once but it was long ago and I got murdered early, so I basically have no experience with it.
Limited, but not zero. My only strategic input is that I prefer to use up as much of the allotted time as possible.

We get all the time. Extra time after hammer is for discussion.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:36 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:12 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:01 pm We’re close enough to the deadline now that we can start positioning ourselves for a hammer.
Do you have a lot of experience with this mechanic? I have experienced it once but it was long ago and I got murdered early, so I basically have no experience with it.
Limited, but not zero. My only strategic input is that I prefer to use up as much of the allotted time as possible.
We get all the time. Extra time after hammer is for discussion.
I don't think this is true. Where are you getting it?

I think whoever responded after me was right and I was reading it wrong

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:56 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:52 pm What is your analysis of the nightkill?
Drago was the most obvious civilian in the game.

Nightkill analysis is not my strengh. I'm open to theories if anyone's into that, but at this stage in the game I don't know how far it's going to get us.

It does tell us that the mafia team isn’t comprised of the people who were trying to convince us that Drago was clearly scum

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:49 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:46 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:33 pm Long Con was the competing wagon to leetic. They ended up tied. Nobody sprang to save him. What does this mean? I can go either way on it.
What do you think it means?
Listen punk, I'm the one who asks questions here!

I am of two minds.
Scenario 1) The mafia team had no preference over who was lynched and was content to let two civilians face the coin flip of destiny. I've never seen a tie where things were so stagnant. Long Con's self-vote made it 4 to 4 several minutes ahead of the deadline, and then nobody else moved. Lots of people were around, but the leetic camp was entrenched on leetic, and the LC camp was entrenched on LC (and the TH/non-committed camp was farting around like losers). Mafia members have no reason to stick their necks out to determine one lynch or another when either one will do just fine.

Scenario 2) Long Con is mafia. This one comes with a couple other variables, none of which I'd bank on.
2.1) Long Con is mafia, his self-vote put his partners in a very awkward position wherein they need to leap to save him. Long Con is an experienced and adept mafia player. He knows better than to do that to his partners.

2.2) Long Con is mafia, but his team possesses some sort of mechanic which would have prevented him from being lynched yesterday (maybe they control a tiebreaker, maybe they have a member with a vote addition/subtraction power, etc.). This is baseless speculation. I cannot assert it with any confidence.
Scenario 3, I guess, is that no mafia members were present at the end of the day with the potential exception of Long Con. Why he'd endanger himself like that, I cannot say.

I have more confidence in scenario 1 than anything else.
Or Long Con is mafia and just hosted a game where a civilian threw it and he's well aware of that recency bias.

All the more reason why he wouldn’t do it, I feel

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 6:12 pm I'm not caught up but I'm kinda surprised I would need to quantify that self-voting is scummy. Especially in a close situation like this. Does self-voting accomplish anything other than gambling for town cred?

This gets on what Epi was saying. LC was there when G-Man self voted, he knows if he’s town and dies he’s getting shredded. If LC has a negative vote it would make sense as town or scum.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:40 am I think we lost our momentum after the weird end to the lynch and then 24 hours of radio silence.

Something I wanted to mention was TonyStarkPrime, none of us have discussed him. He was around at the end of the lynch but most of his contributions were about the hammer. Not much actual gamesolving from TSP yet which is quite different from what I remember in GoC where he was flinging out reads with a high degree of proficiency. He was never the loudest voice in the room in that game, but he did enough for other towns to know he was there and doing his best.

Radish town
Sloonei town
Ted town
Mikey town
Mac town
Turnip borderline
Epi borderline
Whoever I missed probably borderline
Speed scum
FG scum
Nutella scum

Long Con. My gut read on LC is town, but one off post and I could switch on this very quickly. My guess is that there’s some sort of power that caused the self vote. I think scum gambling for town credit is marginally more likely in the non powered variants.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:40 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:32 am Does anyone have an opinion on Mikey they'd like to share? Also Mac's vote for speedchuck feels phoned it but I was townreading him aside from that
I hear he's into Life brand cereal.

I’ve been holding up the relevant gif

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:44 pm Okay it’s not Sloonei, LC, Drago, TS
Probably not Mac, Epi, MR, FG
Could be Leetic, Speed, Ted, TH
rainbow
how did i go from probably not scum to scum?

walk me through it

You were the last name on probably not scum. I inherited a town read on Ted from his townmates. It’s not Leetic. I’ve read TH higher. WelcOme to the scum side

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