The Syndicate

I feel the need, the need for Creed

I bought Assassin's Creed for my switch and got bored after an hour

I really wanted to like it too but there was too much talking for a game about silent killers

Also I had to get in my pirate ship every five minutes and go somewhere new

I'm thinking there's a real world facility or something like the game, jjj and nut are currently outside of their assassin avatars

Sloonei is some sort of hybrid Golden-JJJ monstrosity right now, is this his final form? He just played a dastardly villain in GoC so now he might be supatowning hard

Ts latching onto sloon for discussing mechanics felt a bit opportunist and now that they're actually discussing reads he's sinking his teeth in deeper

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:59 am ok i gotta ask what's up with radish and turnip accs viewing the thread

at first i saw a turnip and was like "cool" but now there's also a radish and does the syndicate have a root vegetable fetish?

I'm named after a quote from the television show LOST. I actually have no idea where Master Radishes came from, though I did catch him as scum from like his second post in the last game

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.

So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
There exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.

Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.

Happy?

You could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down here

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:11 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:14 pm I feel the need, the need for Creed

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:19 pm ... or possibly a distancing act?

so precise he posted it twice

ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:54 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 pm @ts account right off the bat 2.0, yeah, I am spinning everything negatively. That is the point of the exercise. It's not a nefarious agenda. When I make a case like that, I am asking myself whether or not I can see the player as mafia in each post. If the answer is yes, I share my interpretation of their possible mafia motives. That is what I did with your posts. I acknowledged in the post that there are other explanations. But I have concerns and I voiced them.
You do not seem interested in pursuing these other possibilities, therefore you do not seem interested in truly scumhunting.

I feel like you're talking about yourself. You don't seem interested in pursuing anything other than Sloonei being scum which has snowballed from the beginning of the game

sloonei and ts being w/w is my new favorite conspiracy theory

[mention]ts account[/mention] It's not impossible for me to view Sloon as bad actually, I just like how fired up he got after he was called out. He got real defensive real quick which I associate with town sloon. Not sure if I should see it like that or if I just don't want him to be bad for whatever reason.

LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO

I started the day more likely to vote Mikey and now I'm thinking of voting for Sloonei. It's not hard to view Sloonei's behavior through the lens where he's bad

The hell is Epignosis? I thought he was made of free time right now

Unlike yours truly who is still working two jobs six days a week

MadDougall

I'm not really considering it seriously, just entertaining a reality where it exists

Like if the idea was for Sloonei to get involved re: mechanics and then for Mikey to engage him, and then for them to one up each other ad infinitum

Golden and I actually did that in Firefly mafia and neither of us got lynched

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:12 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:11 pm I'm not really considering it seriously, just entertaining a reality where it exists
What if we’re both town?

Then the game is more boring so far

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:28 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:14 pm I started the day more likely to vote Mikey and now I'm thinking of voting for Sloonei. It's not hard to view Sloonei's behavior through the lens where he's bad
But is it hard to view him through the lens that he's good?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 pm @Turnip Head let me gaze into your mind. I'd like you to write three sentences with a minimum of ten words each about the status of the game. Chop chop young man.

The status of the game is looking really really good. I think you and me and the others are going to have a great time playing this game. Not every game of mafia ends up becoming a classic but I think this one's gonna be good

What I am seeing from Mikey is a little bit of between the lines solving which I very much like

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:58 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:15 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:12 am
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:16 am Sloonei is town. There was absolutely nothing wrong with him talking mechanically. It's not pro anything and doesn't deter the game at all. An argument could be made that it is beneficial towards the game and lets you understand what could be going on. That newfound understanding can better your reads.

Why was Sloonei being voted for mechanical talk? Ts why are you gungho about it? I can't help but agree with Sloonei that suspecting someone over mechanical is suspicious in of itself. It's lazy and never actually feels like a genuine read. Furthermore, scum use this too much to get by with their fake suspicions. Thus why it feels lazy and not genuine.
I don’t like this post from Drago. Ironically it’s seems like something I’d post but that’s irrelevant.
Tell me more
The defense hinges on what amounts to a non-existent part of the case. It seems like Drago is more focused on earning town cred
From what I've seen, Dragomir is a civilian. I don't care that he is trying to earn "town cred." Civilians SHOULD be doing that. Noble enterprise.

The Epi I thought I knew says things like "civilians shouldn't be trying to earn cred, they should be trying to find bad guys". Has your philosophy evolved?

Not to say that I don't agree or that my philosophy hasn't evolved either, I'm just surprised.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:13 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm LC playing scummy on purpose is not his civ MO
Disagree.

Care to elaborate? I'm actually pretty good at reading him, probably the best at it, if I'm being honest

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:23 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:19 pm The hell is Epignosis? I thought he was made of free time right now
I've given epi a pass so far in here. My game just had a deadline and he was heavily involved there. We've got ~48 hours left here. He'll show up.
Fuckin' A.

Does your wife know about A?

Leetic feels cornered

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:03 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:45 am Leetic feels cornered
What's the point you're making? He's civilian because he's being pushed into a wall or is he scum because he reacts poorly?

Which one do you think I meant? If you had to guess

Epi is bringing an unnecessarily hostile tone to an otherwise reasonable thread, idk what that means really just an observation

Well he kind of is, but usually he's a lovable jerk. I'm not feelin it so far. He's trying so hard to be a jerk lol

Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it

Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:26 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Would you consider voting for him?

I'm mostly just confused

ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?

Maybe when I'm not on mobile and can find good examples

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:37 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?
I would like to see these posts as well.

Why?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:43 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:37 pm
ts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:34 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm Something is wrong with Long Con. He doesn't usually play with this tight of a grip. Like a rattlesnake getting all coiled up. He often gets suspected early and I'm one of the first to rush to his defense because I recognize his town game but this is off-meta for him and I think he knows it
Can you quote some posts that highlight this difference, for those of us who aren't familiar with them?
I would like to see these posts as well.
Why?
Because I always just play how I play, I don't try to play differently, or the same, I just do whatever comes to mind. I thought I'd see what Drago was saying about you held up, but it was really just a trap he was setting, and I was the idiot who fell for it. After I said I don't dance. Shameful.

What the hell...

Go ahead and hammer me. My voters are going to look suspicious as fuck after I flip

This game had actual logic to it for the first 48 hours and now idk what's going on is it a full moon or something

Let's all take a moment to breathe

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:32 pm Sloonei vote camping off wagon for so long on a person he has no chance of lynching and hasn't even actually tried to lynch has slowly drained me of all my good will towards him.
I’m only half here today

Talk to me Sloon. You're the most level headed person here. What's going on?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:41 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:40 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:32 pm Sloonei vote camping off wagon for so long on a person he has no chance of lynching and hasn't even actually tried to lynch has slowly drained me of all my good will towards him.
I’m only half here today
Talk to me Sloon. You're the most level headed person here. What's going on?

[VOTE: tedextr] aubergine

This wagon has the purest votes from my POV. The other wagons just look trigger happy

As if the boat needs to be rocked further

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:08 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:07 pm As if the boat needs to be rocked further
steady the boat that is already rocking then.

That's my goal atm. What do you think of ted? I kinda like my vote. Master Radishes is also voting here and he seems like he's got his head on straight.

Can't say that post you linked sways me into reading ted as bad, seems like a reasonable question on his end

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:11 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:15 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:08 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:07 pm As if the boat needs to be rocked further
steady the boat that is already rocking then.
That's my goal atm. What do you think of ted? I kinda like my vote. Master Radishes is also voting here and he seems like he's got his head on straight.
It’s page 22, you’re voting a wagon that peaked on a page 2 case and never moved on without having any reason to vote there, you can eat the noose.

I don't even know what the case is against you but I I feel safe here. I basically trust no one, as far as I can tell anyone but probably Master Radishes could be bad and I wouldn't be the least bit shocked. Usually I have some townreads at this point.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:25 pm Like this is fucking ludicrous, everyone but me is getting pushed, Long Con is pushed, TSP is pushed, Speedchuck is pushed, and I’m still being top wagon, TH is pushed

Fucking read the game state correctly, MY WAGON IS A PAGE 2 THING AND IT HAS NO NEW EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT

I'd like to read the game state correctly but I'm afraid you'll just yell at me

You've never been top wagon, you are overreacting

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