The Syndicate

I hardclaim scum. Mac RWSTFO'd.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:19 pm @Alison mac revealed as IC on day 1, he claimed ITT that he has a passive power that redirects non-killing actions that target him back at the sender

tsp claimed mech info that sig is town d1

on d2 tedxtr desperado shot scotty and died right after resulting in clearing scotty

scotty receives some random tracks or something. he knows radishes visited me n1. radish confirmed

koba roleblocked poison n1, poison confirmed

michelle visited me n1, we both confirmed

we highly suspect that epi dayvigged axehole d1, you can take a look at axehole's latest posts for context if u wish

urist claims that his power makes someone require 2 more votes to be chopped but he misread that its 2 less and he targeted me n1 hoping to make me easier to chop. i think the claim is an obvious joke like "haha put most votes on tutuu to test my power haha" since he has been tunneling me

@Epignosis Did you dayvig Axe?

Why is neither TSP nor sig dead if one has green checked the other?

@TonyStarkPrime Hardclaim if you have a green on sig.

There shouldn't be this much confusion about how serious people's mech claims are on D3.

Who was roleblocked last night? If no roleblocks I assume protective on me or something similar.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:25 pm Who was roleblocked last night? If no roleblocks I assume protective on me or something similar.
we mischopped our town roleblocker koba yesterday, so i assume protective, mayhaps jailkeeper. or some crazy custom roles

How do you know koba is rb? I don't see a rolecard.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:29 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:28 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 4:25 pm Who was roleblocked last night? If no roleblocks I assume protective on me or something similar.
we mischopped our town roleblocker koba yesterday, so i assume protective, mayhaps jailkeeper. or some crazy custom roles
How do you know koba is rb? I don't see a rolecard.
they had claimed earlier, they claimed their target too (poison n1, poison confirmed)

They roleblocked the poisoner? So... why aren't we exeing the poisoner?

Oh lol.

Okay.

What do you all think of the idea of voting out Made to see what his alignment is and then if he flips red we vote out whoever switched votes to Koba last minute?

Michelle is obvious town right?

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:10 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:07 pm Michelle is obvious town right?
I am town, yes.

I believe you.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:07 pm A part of me thinks that those switchers in the 11th hour are town for nakedly switching

Bleh

Never make this read again.

Here are three things I know about Michelle:

- her tone is ok from a brief skim of her iso.

- she struggles with TMI as scum, but displayed no TMI at all in her pushes (based on what I've heard at least).

- she was poisoned.

I believe these three things make her deserve a spot in the towncore.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:12 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:07 pm Michelle is obvious town right?
i think so, i've never seen her scum, i don't know how much should i be scared of it. poison (iirc) townreads michelle and they have experience with each other, mac townread michelle, koba flip flopped between having michelle as top town and having michelle as top scumread

her role ability, from a standard game design perspective makes more sense as town than as scum too. unless scum have multiple abilities in the same role. (her role ability is undisclosed, we cautious around anti claim)

Michelle is widely seen as a polarized player. Her scum game is not super mega blindingly obvious, but it has clear issues with tonal awkwardness, struggling to post, and TMI, especially on her partners (she ends up voting them a lot and is a chronic busser D1 even when it's unecessary). Mac has a good read on Michelle and I will sheep him there as well as the three points I listed.

So Scotty is town. Michelle is town. Let us say for now that sig is town as he has towntold once and TSP claims a green check on him so if he's scum he's exactly partners with TSP.

If Epignosis dayvigged Axe halfway through the middle of D1 that is probably a townie move, especially if the dayvig was secret.

What was the mech on KZA before he was shot?

If mafia is killing townread players they would go for the innocent child, especially since Mac solves a lot harder than KZA.

Therefore mafia doc dodged N1.

Yet their kill got healed N2.

So they doc dodged N1 but not N2. Hm.

We will proceed assuming there are no roleblockers left and the mafia kill was stopped by a doctor. If there is one they will claim and we will exe whoever they roleblocked.

Who was the most obvious kill N2? Who did you all expect to see dead at SOD3?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:23 pm Who was the most obvious kill N2? Who did you all expect to see dead at SOD3?
you and/or scotty. there is no consensus towncore that doesn't rely on mech. it's a bit disorganized

ok. Then maybe Mac or Scotty suddenly developed a read that made the mafia fear them and that's why they stopped doc dodging.

Eh or maybe they doc dodged Mac assuming doctor would protect Mac, and then they shot at my slot N2 thinking doctor is nonconsecutive, but doctor 500 IQ'd them.

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

I skimmed falcon's iso and I think he looks fine tonally.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:53 pm I'm literally just here to say Mac that was a dumb move to make

NOBODY ELSE CLAIM

there is obviously some sort of soup role given what Jay said in the rules like seriously. We gonna have a repeat of last game where mafia soups everyone and wins.
It was worth it cuz of the meme tbh.
I mean, he says its for the memes but is there a world where a wolf has a role where he can fake claim inno child with a mod backup? :think: Its ballsy but I still think Mac is inno town till someone else has the same thought as me, this is tinfoil for day 3 or something

Rondo is now permanently POE'd for this post.

Wilgy is probably outed scum because dyachei and DkKoba got mischopped over him. In what world does that happen if Wilgy is town?

I gutread Ender town. So townlean but I don't actually have strong evidence to support it. Just a tonal thing from an ISO skim.

Let me know if you have evidence on Ender's alignment either way because Day 3 is a little late to be making tonal gutreads. But I am not reading 100 pages so.

It's my girlfriend's birthday so not gonna be around that much for the rest of the day. Peace.

@Made Ping me with your defense.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:17 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:39 pm Wilgy is probably outed scum because dyachei and DkKoba got mischopped over him. In what world does that happen if Wilgy is town?
Wat?

dyachei and DkKoba are stubborn townies who can make themselves extremely difficult to exe. On the other hand you are one of the most common misexes on the Syndicate, even in anon games (suggesting it is something about your playstyle that makes people want to exe you). Therefore I would expect the exe to be on you instead of them if all three of you are town. That you have survived and they have not, without any mech info on any of you, suggests that you are being protected by a partner, either directly by them calling you town, or indirectly by them turning up the aggression on dyachei and koba to keep the heat off you. This is one of the reasons why I wanted to blast the dyachei wagon if Made flips red for instance.

The koba wagon, rather.

Although I should look into who voted dya as well.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:28 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 5:37 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:03 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 8:53 pm I'm literally just here to say Mac that was a dumb move to make

NOBODY ELSE CLAIM

there is obviously some sort of soup role given what Jay said in the rules like seriously. We gonna have a repeat of last game where mafia soups everyone and wins.
It was worth it cuz of the meme tbh.
I mean, he says its for the memes but is there a world where a wolf has a role where he can fake claim inno child with a mod backup? :think: Its ballsy but I still think Mac is inno town till someone else has the same thought as me, this is tinfoil for day 3 or something
Rondo is now permanently POE'd for this post.
if you read later I was being dumb and ender explains it

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Link the post. Because all I see is Mac having the same thought as me.

It is difficult for me to believe you have this thought as town.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:53 pm Okay, so I softed my role enough times this game so I'll just say it straight, I can't die. My role is that I can't died. I can't be vigged, I can't be nk, I can't be voted out. My plan, my hope was that me dying yesterday would set up thread where Michelle has flipped, so no question mark there, I flip so no question mark here, and DK could be solved based on how my wagon was handled. Basically voting me is a slightly worse No yeet

I think the fact that tutuu is voting me here is horseshit considering she said that I'm scum if DK is scum.

also Hi Alison

What nonsense is this

How would you die/flip if your role is that you can't die?

Why the hell are you trying to set up town for a "slightly worse no yeet" rather than just voting out mafia?

This role seems like complete bullcrap. I say we test it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:05 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:53 pm Okay, so I softed my role enough times this game so I'll just say it straight, I can't die. My role is that I can't died. I can't be vigged, I can't be nk, I can't be voted out. My plan, my hope was that me dying yesterday would set up thread where Michelle has flipped, so no question mark there, I flip so no question mark here, and DK could be solved based on how my wagon was handled. Basically voting me is a slightly worse No yeet

I think the fact that tutuu is voting me here is horseshit considering she said that I'm scum if DK is scum.

also Hi Alison
Character claim

Townie post.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:09 pm GTH, Michelle was healed by scum. No way town saves her here

Wolfy post.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:11 pm Id probably save her tbh

I would have saved her too.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:42 pm Some dick roleblocked me

And no kill last night.

And you were one of the people CFDing onto town koba weren't you?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:52 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:42 pm Some dick roleblocked me

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
Yes i'm playing 11d chess and claimed being rb'd after carrying the kill
Plus town has a second rb for some reason good thinking scotty

Point 1) is worthless to me. If you kept quiet about it the real roleblocker would immediately out you. Your only hope is to do what a townie would do and claim it. Therefore you would claim rb'd as either mafia or town.

Point 2) is eh. Could be a jailkeeper. Could be a JOAT with a single roleblock. Could be some weird mech shit. We have someone claiming to be literally unkillable, why can't we have 2 roleblockers?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:56 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:30 pm Scotty and epi are both mafia imo
Why Scotty?
His posts reek of mafia
u think that scum dayvig epi shot ted with split second timing right at the moment he claimed he's desperado shooting scotty? that would be cool af if it happened NGL

Then who shot Axe?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:01 pm sorry if this is dumb

but urist feels like a jester to me, and made feels like a town to me

i have no experience with jpic's game design. question mark question mark

I think you could easily be mafia with Made so.

I don't believe scum dayvig has 2 KP. That's ridiculous.

We have to flip Urist today because of the roleblock.

Made should probably be tested somehow through night actions. Cop check would be ok on Made. Stops us from wasting a day, and gives us an unkillable inno child if he's green. And then we can solve based on knowing koba/Made are both town. Vigilante shot would be ok on Made too. He only makes this claim if he's 1 shot unexeable mafia or something like that, and it's rare for unexeable mafias to also be bulletproof (except Shadow Corridors which I hope this game is better than).

Made wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:05 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:58 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:53 pm Okay, so I softed my role enough times this game so I'll just say it straight, I can't die. My role is that I can't died. I can't be vigged, I can't be nk, I can't be voted out. My plan, my hope was that me dying yesterday would set up thread where Michelle has flipped, so no question mark there, I flip so no question mark here, and DK could be solved based on how my wagon was handled. Basically voting me is a slightly worse No yeet

I think the fact that tutuu is voting me here is horseshit considering she said that I'm scum if DK is scum.

also Hi Alison
What nonsense is this

How would you die/flip if your role is that you can't die? I "die", scum gets closer to partiality, and I lose my vote, but I can't be removed from thread

Why the hell are you trying to set up town for a "slightly worse no yeet" rather than just voting out mafia?I'm not, but it be like that sometimes. I figured I was going to get mislynched tomorrow so I tried to get information out of it...then i didn't die.

This role seems like complete bullcrap. I say we test it.
I say we don't. Questions answered in pretty colors. Alison, I am not this batshit as scum in this position. Why would I ever need to claim this as scum here

So you're claiming tree stump?

Show me the receipts of you softing your role as well as you setting up town to get maximum information from your "exe".

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump

Is your role functionally identical to this?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:08 pm https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Tree_Stump

Is your role functionally identical to this?

As in, you become a tree stump after dying?

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:10 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:52 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:42 pm Some dick roleblocked me

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
:think:

[VOTE: Urist ] aubergine

You forgot to vote in the poll.

Actually one thing that gives credibility to Made's role was that he misrepresented it as immortality when it was very clearly a tree stump. And he didn't know what tree stumps were.

It's weird for Made as mafia to make up a fake claim about being a tree stump and misrep it as immortality; it's more likely that JPIC knew about tree stumps, made a tree stump role, and gave it to Made who misnomered it.

It could be that Made changed his story after backlash but I don't think that's likely. It looked like a genuine misunderstanding. And I don't think a mafia tree stump is likely because it creates perverse incentives (optimal play is to spam the thread and lolcat all game and nobody wants that shit).

Are blocks loud this game? Did Poison get an explicit message saying she was blocked or did her action just quietly fail?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:02 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:55 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:52 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 7:42 pm Some dick roleblocked me

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
Yes i'm playing 11d chess and claimed being rb'd after carrying the kill
Plus town has a second rb for some reason good thinking scotty
Point 1) is worthless to me. If you kept quiet about it the real roleblocker would immediately out you. Your only hope is to do what a townie would do and claim it. Therefore you would claim rb'd as either mafia or town.

Point 2) is eh. Could be a jailkeeper. Could be a JOAT with a single roleblock. Could be some weird mech shit. We have someone claiming to be literally unkillable, why can't we have 2 roleblockers?
So technically all i know is that my action was not successful. I'm assuming blocked for no real reason tbh since it is role madness and maybe the person I targeted was just actionimmune.

If I were mafia carrying the kill then I would have no reason to claim; the kill could have been prevented in any number of ways and there would be no reason to draw attention to myself.

There is 0 chance a roleblocker who got a block off doesn't claim in this situation lol. And then you get turbo'd if you kept mum about the rb.

Who did your target with your ability?

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:15 pm I'm just gonna claim because i stopped giving a fuck a long time ago. I'm a straightup doctor and I protected ted n1 and scotty n2. If someone else could have prevented the kill they should claim now bc they are probably the reason.

Interesting claim.

Kind of believable because it restricts your options even more. Claiming doctor means you can't turn around and say "hey, the doctor must have protected the mafia NK, the roleblock on me wasn't why there was no kill".

But it does open up the question, if you are town doctor why was there no kill? Roleblocker was on you; you didn't heal anyone because you were roleblocked. I doubt there are that many ways for town to stop the NK.

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:17 pm But i'm just going to stay on epi or tutuu forever until either they're dead or i am

I am not voting Epi unless there is a dayvig counterclaim.

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