The Syndicate

New game got me feeling like

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 5:29 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:36 pm Still though... Olympus Mons is over twenty-one kilometres high! (That's like 13 miles for those of you still waiting to join the metric world). I can't even imagine such height.
Still ain't the kind of place to raise your kids.

In fact, it's cold as hell.

And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.

How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:34 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?
Yeesh. No?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 10:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 pm I thought as much. Wouldn't you say that's kind of a scum tell for you?
Which part of that is a scum tell for Jack?
Good question; Jack, in answering my question, be a dear and answer Sloonei's as well please.
Idk. The only scumtell I'm aware of is that I get overly excited when I think I'm about to win as a baddie.

You've got others. But I'm not gonna tell you just yet in case you're bad this game.

(PS no I don't think the existing Jack behavior is alignment-indicative)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:22 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.
How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*
We need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.

Posts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything? To borrow the words of somebody else:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:00 amThat's a good enough reason for Day 1 because I will accept any reason on Day 1.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:45 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:44 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:22 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.
How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*
We need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.
Posts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything? To borrow the words of somebody else:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:00 amThat's a good enough reason for Day 1 because I will accept any reason on Day 1.

Do you intend to keep your vote on me?

What an odd question.

I will answer it by saying I subscribe to the maxim "Vote early, vote often."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:09 pm I would never do ab&c as scum and therefore the best time to do ab&c would be as scum to fool people.

Also, people get lazy.

Ergo "I am not that bad at being bad" or "I wouldn't say that if I was bad" arguement a tend to be super unconvincing to me.

I hate unconvincing arguements. That's where the hate is coming from.

Hey, remember that time (in the second or third to last Hybridity, I think?) That I OMAC'd myself by asking a question only mafia would ask? Then tried to weasel out by saying I was setting a trap?

Not my finest moment.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:23 pm I've just noticed something, after reading Bob's "vote early/often" expression.

In a standard NF game I change my vote 3-4 times every phase, give or take. I vote often and boldly.

But here I feel like I have some restraint voting, perhaps because of the first games I played in this forum that didn't allow changing votes.

I've been having better results as a civ there than here, so I'll try to keep that in mind. I should vote more often.

Yeah, here the meta seems to be that votes are srs bsns. Which (IMO) helps the mafia, as they can wait to throw down their vote until the lynch subjects have been relatively decided. In a meta where votes flow freely, it becomes much more dangerous to do a distancing early vote on a teammate, because if they end up accruing votes it looks really suspicious to back out without a good reason.

(Voting patterns are my personal favorite form of analysis so that does inform my view on the matter)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:57 pm @Sloonei
@colonialbob

What do you think of Epi's vote for LC?

I don't love it. He pretty clearly misinterpreted the "3 civs" thing, per your previous statement. Whether that's on purpose or just as a defense, who knows.

That said, I think LC's take against Epi was pretty weak. It's Day 1, saying you won't vote for somebody today is a viable way of narrowing the lynch pool as a way of getting into the game. He did pick two new (to the Syndicate) players, so maybe he's a scum hoping a new player latches on to it? Idk, seems weak.

All that said though I'm not interested in narrowing the focus just to the two of them just yet. I actually like Sloonei's line of questioning - let's hear actual thoughts Kyle.

*votes kyle*

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:14 pm You leave Kyle alone.
why?
I'm just filling the silence. I don't have a strong opinion on Kyle. Like I half think you're distracting from Epi but I don't wanna get tunnel visioned. You do whatever.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:54 pm It's 4:54 in futureland, folks.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:54 pmA.M.
That's almost an alpine start!

Would appreciate ISO links, since they're hard to do manually from my phone!

(Day 1 ISOs, what have I become)

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:02 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:54 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:45 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:44 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 11:22 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:41 am And now, the game is really afoothill!

*crickets*

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:40 am I might be persuaded to go with Epi today, but as of right now I'd not be willing to put a definitive vote on him.
How's the fence treating you?

*vote sloons*
We need an eye rolling emoji that I can post here.
Posts that appear to say something while not actually saying anything? To borrow the words of somebody else:

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:00 amThat's a good enough reason for Day 1 because I will accept any reason on Day 1.

Do you intend to keep your vote on me?
What an odd question.

I will answer it by saying I subscribe to the maxim "Vote early, vote often."
I'm gonna put a vote on colonialbob because he never told me why this was an odd question.

It was early in the phase, and you were asking me about where my vote was going to be at end of day? That's odd to me. The explanation that vote switching was relatively new to the Syndicate eased that concern a bit. I also liked some of your other content, so decided to move elsewhere.

PS traveling today, so I'll try to catch up here in a bit when I'm sitting at the airport. I haven't read most of thread since my last post, just jumped to this since I got quoted.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?[/color

Yeah. There's at least as much content there as the Daisy guilt thing. Not gonna argue about my joke though.

(Catching up intermittently, posting as stuff catches my eye, so ignore if I'm outdated)

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:57 pm I'm voting for Jack ok gg

Y tho

Speed with the sudden entrance. I like it.

Voting LC for now.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?
Yeah. There's at least as much content there as the Daisy guilt thing. Not gonna argue about my joke though.

(Catching up intermittently, posting as stuff catches my eye, so ignore if I'm outdated)

[mention]Long Con[/mention] care to address this point since you responded to the other quote of this post?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:28 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:24 pm Speed with the sudden entrance. I like it.

Voting LC for now.
Why?

Science. And consolidating trains.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:29 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:25 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?
Yeah. There's at least as much content there as the Daisy guilt thing. Not gonna argue about my joke though.

(Catching up intermittently, posting as stuff catches my eye, so ignore if I'm outdated)
@Long Con care to address this point since you responded to the other quote of this post?
I don't understand what you are saying, can you phrase it differently please? I was saying that Epi's alignment conclusions about mesk, based on the "dirt" post, are not legit because the logic isn't there... you are comparing it to the Daisy guilt thing, but I can't figure out what you mean by your wording.

You said Epi's read of mesk was not legit because there wasn't anything in that post to get a read off of but didn't say something similar about the Spacedaisy votes because she said sorry she checked in and that apparently meant she felt guilty for being mafia. So I would like you to address that discrepancy.

PS boarded, will be back before EoD to at least skim and potentially change my vote.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:08 pm Tie strategy is overrated.

Good application: Your top two suspects have votes. You tie their trains and see what baddies do.

Bad application: You vote for someone who you don't think is bad for no benefit.

Scum application: Doing the previously stated thing as an excuse not to have to scumhunt.
Bob is here.

Is this supposed to mean I'm in one of the red zones or the white zone?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:54 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:29 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:25 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:05 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:34 pm As for the cbob and mesk no-vote posts... they're empty filler. Neither of them are in any way real or substantial gameplay. There was nothing about mesk's "dirt" comment that should lead to any alignment decisions. IF you really feel the need to read into it, it indicates a general ignorance or the game structure, which doesn't show as good or bad. And I don't feel like it was even that. Does anyone disagree with this?
Yeah. There's at least as much content there as the Daisy guilt thing. Not gonna argue about my joke though.

(Catching up intermittently, posting as stuff catches my eye, so ignore if I'm outdated)
Long Con care to address this point since you responded to the other quote of this post?
I don't understand what you are saying, can you phrase it differently please? I was saying that Epi's alignment conclusions about mesk, based on the "dirt" post, are not legit because the logic isn't there... you are comparing it to the Daisy guilt thing, but I can't figure out what you mean by your wording.
You said Epi's read of mesk was not legit because there wasn't anything in that post to get a read off of but didn't say something similar about the Spacedaisy votes because she said sorry she checked in and that apparently meant she felt guilty for being mafia. So I would like you to address that discrepancy.

PS boarded, will be back before EoD to at least skim and potentially change my vote.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] for the third time, plz respond kthx

Thoughts at the moment:
The initial pressure on Epi was stupid. The bad argument pressure is better but could also be opportunistic. Lean that it's genuine but could be an attempt at sound and fury signifying nothing.

LC not responding to me question even when I pinged him and re-explained bothers me.

Jack is half hunting half doing weird meta talk. Reminded a bit of my first game on the Syndicate (Realms/Syndicate crossover), where he did the similar thing and was mafia. Not as strong of a ping thus far, but something to keep an eye on.

Feeling good at the moment about Quin, Sloonei, and speed.

Don't like Eloh's Epi defense. Don't know her enough to know of its actually something to read into.

Can't figure Kyle. Seems similar to early pirates, but not quite as 'good.

No reads on anybody else.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:38 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 12:17 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 9:08 pm Tie strategy is overrated.

Good application: Your top two suspects have votes. You tie their trains and see what baddies do.

Bad application: You vote for someone who you don't think is bad for no benefit.

Scum application: Doing the previously stated thing as an excuse not to have to scumhunt.
Bob is here.
Is this supposed to mean I'm in one of the red zones or the white zone?
Red. Nothing prior to this indicated actual suspicion of LC.

Well he's not my number 1 suspect but I had expressed repeated skepticism of the Epi, and his not addressing my point stuck in my craw.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:24 am You know that feeling you get when you're with some friends and you're deciding what resturaunt to go to and then 5 people out of 19 of your buds say Applebee's and you're just like... 'Wow I mean I guess they have good cocktails?' so then you ask your other friends if they have any better ideas and then 3 of them casually recommend a cafeteria they know that's inside of a local hospital and it's out of the way but their tuna sandwich is kind of okay?

That's kind of where I'm at rn

Who *would* you want to lynch then (realizing a switch is not gonna happen at this point but I want you to commit to something)

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:15 am @Spacedaisy

Nothing pairs you with Epi.

Bob thinks LC was inconsistent about the way he treated Epi's junk town reads and the way he treated people with junk suspicion of you.

I think that's an apples to oranges comparison. Or a toenread to scumread one, anyhow.

Why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:26 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:18 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:15 am @Spacedaisy

Nothing pairs you with Epi.

Bob thinks LC was inconsistent about the way he treated Epi's junk town reads and the way he treated people with junk suspicion of you.

I think that's an apples to oranges comparison. Or a toenread to scumread one, anyhow.
Why?
Cause buddying and reaching are different things to accuse someone of doing.

Town-reading mesk off vague textual clues from a single post vs scum-reading Spacedaisy off vague textual clues from a single post.

How do you like them apples?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am Everest
Aconcagua
Pico Cristóbal Colón
Matterhorn
Sutterbuttes
Olympus Mons

are the roles that could have caused that. nutella does not necessarily have to be one of these roles.

As Sloonei and Daisy pointed out, not Buttes, who are coincidentally the only scum on this list (pending Olympus Mons which we don't know anything about). Honest mistake or trying to imply she's mafia?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:47 am Epignosis isn't like that. He's more like this:

"It's like I'm talking to a monkey. A big stupid monkey named [Long Con]."

Yep it checks out.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:07 am I responded to your Daisy thing, bob. Am I still in the doghouse?

Nah I'm fine with that answer.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:06 am
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:58 am
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:34 am Everest
Aconcagua
Pico Cristóbal Colón
Matterhorn
Sutterbuttes
Olympus Mons

are the roles that could have caused that. nutella does not necessarily have to be one of these roles.
As Sloonei and Daisy pointed out, not Buttes, who are coincidentally the only scum on this list (pending Olympus Mons which we don't know anything about). Honest mistake or trying to imply she's mafia?
So by your estimation (I'll probably double check later), Nutella can't be mafia?

Not at all, not sure why you'd make that jump? I think an Everest tie is probably the most likely reason, which could easily have nothing to do with her alignment.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:36 pm I see Elohcin!
I still feel like you were voting epi for a nonsense reason which is what mafia will do.

Would love some content from you outside of LC v Epi.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:00 pm Anyhow, I think LC, Quin, Kyle, Sloonei are town in that order. Probably Bob too (don't listen to my Bob reads). Everyone else statistically probably town but not giving me reasons to think so.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:39 am A rainbow! (Like you guys give a shit)

Jack
Nutella
LC
Quin
Kyle
[pretend this is light green]
Sloonei
Sprityo[/pretending]
[yallow]
Daisy
Eloh
Sig
Wilgy
Glor
Melk
Dom
MP
DDL[/yaloh]
Speed
Bob
Epi

What changed?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:39 pm Additionally, Nutella being town in my book means you could be one of two scummers instead of only one (Indy aside) so you're twice as likely to be bad. That was the main reason you were probably good.

Elaborate please?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:48 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:39 pm Additionally, Nutella being town in my book means you could be one of two scummers instead of only one (Indy aside) so you're twice as likely to be bad. That was the main reason you were probably good.
Elaborate please?
Is the problem that my numbers are off due to misremembering the number of baddies in this game?

What's confusing/odd?

I don't understand the "one of two scummers instead of only one" statement at all.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:05 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:48 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:39 pm Additionally, Nutella being town in my book means you could be one of two scummers instead of only one (Indy aside) so you're twice as likely to be bad. That was the main reason you were probably good.
Elaborate please?
Is the problem that my numbers are off due to misremembering the number of baddies in this game?

What's confusing/odd?
I don't understand the "one of two scummers instead of only one" statement at all.
I miscounted the baddie team of four as a baddie team of three. If Epi and Nutella are bad, you have a 1/whatever chance of being bad. If only Epi is bad, you have a 2/whatever chance.

But it's actually 2/whatever and 3/whatever.

Like I said in that very post, everyone else would be statistically likely to be good based on that POE.

Yeah this is crap reasoning, that's not a particular reason for me to be town over anybody else.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 11:16 am Outside of lynching mafia, that was the best possible Day 1 outcome one could hope for.

In a vacuum, or after the way day 1 started?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:32 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 6:05 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:48 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:39 pm Additionally, Nutella being town in my book means you could be one of two scummers instead of only one (Indy aside) so you're twice as likely to be bad. That was the main reason you were probably good.
Elaborate please?
Is the problem that my numbers are off due to misremembering the number of baddies in this game?

What's confusing/odd?
I don't understand the "one of two scummers instead of only one" statement at all.
I miscounted the baddie team of four as a baddie team of three. If Epi and Nutella are bad, you have a 1/whatever chance of being bad. If only Epi is bad, you have a 2/whatever chance.

But it's actually 2/whatever and 3/whatever.

Like I said in that very post, everyone else would be statistically likely to be good based on that POE.
Yeah this is crap reasoning, that's not a particular reason for me to be town over anybody else.
Go read my post again. Literally said nobody should listen to my town read of you.

Making excuses?

Nope. Just didn't get your reasoning and then thought it was bad. But the LC-related reasoning was better so really I'm kinda picking at small details here. Taking a step back, your read of me is genuine enough I think.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:36 pm Everyone should tell me what things in this thread you feel are most important/most warrant my attention and discussion among those I didn't just address.

I'd be interested in thoughts on me/jack/LC. Also the vote swapping from Epi to Nutella

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:13 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 9:36 pm Everyone should tell me what things in this thread you feel are most important/most warrant my attention and discussion among those I didn't just address.
I'd be interested in thoughts on me/jack/LC. Also the vote swapping from Epi to Nutella
I actually was just looking at your ISO. The long exchange you had with Jack at least looked dissociative (if that wasn't a word before it is now) -- I don't think you look like tiny mountains together. That point has limited value at present with no flips but whatever it came to mind.

I am less perturbed by your early poop fling at Sloonei than I was with DDL given that yours came first and it didn't last. I suggested in my puke that I think Jack looks good, at least for the point I raised. Could you summarize your suspicion of him for me? I raised concerns with LC separately, mostly relating to his dealings with Epignosis.

Also I am not entirely clear on everything that transpired with regard to vote movement. I'll need some help on that before I can offer much insight, otherwise I'll see you after I check myself.

It's kinda meta. His posting early on reminded me of his play in the HCRealms/Syndicate crossover, where he kept going on meta tangents and shunting the thread away from actual reads. He was mafia that game, I called him out D1 and got NKed for it. But he's provided some reads since then, and while I don't entirely agree with him on say LC/Epi, his posts feel genuine enough that I'm fine with him now.

Voting Sig as a quieter player D1. Vibing K2, have a thought as to who it might be.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 am I will take questions. Unless your question is "Why do you have every read you have", in which case, suck a brick.

Why do you have every read you have except for the yellow ones?

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:28 am What do people think about Sloonei? GTH's, cases, whatever.

Lean town. From what little exposure I have seems like town Sloonei, I like the questions and prodding people. Not enough reads or firm statements that I recall to make me really solidify the town read though.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:59 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 am I'ma kick today off with a rainbow, avoiding yellows to the best of my ability. with lots of yellows given the two replacements and extreme low posters. I hope to find a better place for them today.
Kylemii
Long Con
nutella
speedchuck
Spacedaisy
colonialbob
Dom
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
sig
sprityo
Mesk514
Jackofhearts2005
Elohcin
Dragon D. Luffy
Sloonei
Epignosis

I will take questions. Unless your question is "Why do you have every read you have", in which case, suck a brick.
Why am I on the same end as Epi and the opposite end of LC?

This... is a darn good question.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:46 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:42 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 3:40 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:59 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:51 am I'ma kick today off with a rainbow, avoiding yellows to the best of my ability. with lots of yellows given the two replacements and extreme low posters. I hope to find a better place for them today.
Kylemii
Long Con
nutella
speedchuck
Spacedaisy
colonialbob
Dom
DrWilgy
JaggedJimmyJay
insertnamehere
sig
sprityo
Mesk514
Jackofhearts2005
Elohcin
Dragon D. Luffy
Sloonei
Epignosis

I will take questions. Unless your question is "Why do you have every read you have", in which case, suck a brick.
Why am I on the same end as Epi and the opposite end of LC?
This... is a darn good question.
Is it?
You said you'd be willing to answer questions.
I did. And I answered it too, but I'm not sure why it's of interest to bob.

Because it's a weird grouping of reads and I wanted to know why you did it.

Sorry, what with family time I don't really have the ability to go through and make good cases or long posts. Butt I'm following as best I can.

Reads (mostly gut):

Daisy
Speedchuck
Epi
Sloonei
Quin
JJJ
nutella
DDL
Eloh
Kyle
Mesk
Long Con
Jack
Sig

No reads on Dom, Wilgy, INH, sprit

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:26 pm While I like Wilgy's recent activity, it's freaking me out a little bit. I don't recall him playing so straight forward a playstyle in... well, ever!

With the caveat that I don't know Wilgy hardly at all, this seems townie to me. Trying a brand new approach first time as scum seems unlikely?

Super meta-read obviously so.

Also looking for someplace to move my vote. Was mostly voting Sig to encourage activity, but they did say they'd be low poster this week.

So it sounds like my meta-read isn't helpful. Ah well.

*puts Wilgy back on the null pile*

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 2:03 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:59 am @nutella got any legacy reads? It appears you're on the way out.
Jack, Quin, and Kyle are my scum reads. And all pretty good scrabble words. Most likely not all three of them are bad, and one or two of the inactives are, but those are where I'd start.

You ISO'd Quin and talked more about Jack but I'd like to hear more from you re: Kyle.

Wilgy I ended up leaning more defense. I've definitely been frustrated before and defended myself with reasons that made sense to me but not others.

As an aside, I'ma vote Kyle.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:32 pm Oh my goodness... I'm caught up again. I have been reading mafia nonstop this afternoon/evening other than dinner and my adventure to walmart. I have nothing left in me. I was all excited for this game. A real mafia game after being in cc123 for months and it being all for nothing. But gracious me, yall expect me to be read up, respond to posts, and come up with my own detailed reads. If not.... I'm bad. But...then again...a couple others say I'm bad because I AM trying to participate. Damned if I do, damned if I don't.

Don't let a couple scumreads throw you off. Ignore em and go hunting. I'd like to hear your thoughts.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:54 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 7:52 pm Wilgy I ended up leaning more defense. I've definitely been frustrated before and defended myself with reasons that made sense to me but not others.

As an aside, I'ma vote Kyle.
Is the frustration you felt in these scenarios comparable to this? is it any way alignment indicative for you? is it alignment indicative for EPI?

I've been there. Ask Jack about Nightblue. But no idea if it's alignment indicative of Epi. The reason I'm reading him town is that I find his defense (misunderstanding etc) could very well be genuine, I didn't like the case to begin with, and several people I don't have high views on were against him.

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