The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:35 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 6:27 pm Kvetch all you like, but I’m tying this poll up.

I want to become more than what I am. Let’s light this candle!

Heh colonialbob

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:50 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

So bob, you mention Epi's DDL suspicion and say you are not a fan of sable's responses but then vote Colin. Could you share why you voted him?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:41 pm (In general I always think that pushing for a tie is a lame strategy. There's always a mechanism for deciding the result, and that mechanism always takes the responsibility of the outcome away from the hands of the voters, and that's never preferable. The existence of the tribunal does not change that. We should avoid any situations that would make the tribunal relevant, but none of this is really special to this game.)

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:10 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:41 pm (In general I always think that pushing for a tie is a lame strategy. There's always a mechanism for deciding the result, and that mechanism always takes the responsibility of the outcome away from the hands of the voters, and that's never preferable. The existence of the tribunal does not change that. We should avoid any situations that would make the tribunal relevant, but none of this is really special to this game.)

The reason to avoid ties has nothing to do with who is on the tribunal and everything to do with making it harder to draw conclusions from the lunch result.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:37 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

@Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Why Jack?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:14 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:57 pm

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:15 am btw i decided i have a truth meta now

Lynch Enrique

This is the game where I have no original thoughts.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:40 pm Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:


Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:39 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:52 pm Screw it let's get this over with early or I'll be uneasy for the rest of the game [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?

It's day 1. Nobody has a good reason to vote anyone. Why did you pick nutella to attack? Is it because Jack's your scum teammate? Got eem.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 7:46 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:42 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:39 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:52 pm Screw it let's get this over with early or I'll be uneasy for the rest of the game [VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

Sorry, but that is not a god reason to vote someone. Anything Jack has done this game to make you suspect him?

It's day 1. Nobody has a good reason to vote anyone. Why did you pick nutella to attack? Is it because Jack's your scum teammate? Got eem.

I have a good reason to vote Colin. Point invalid.

What does your valid suspicion of Colin have to do with Macs question about your attack (and your post did feel rather aggressive to me) on nutella?

I am going to drop a vote on you for now. I don't believe that I (like Sorsha, who you noted had not played with you) have ever played with you. Perhaps this is your normal tone, and if so others will point it out, and then that might give me BOTD. But for now your tone has pinged me enough to vote on it.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:02 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:55 pm Has anyone seen Quin? At this point I'd expect to see him angrily hissing at the people accusing him.

nobody is accusing me so i have nothing to do

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:07 am I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:10 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:07 am I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

What mafia member says, "You know what? I'm going to plop a lazy third vote down on DDL early on in the day and draw attention to myself! That's a great idea!"

Lock civilian.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:11 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:10 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:06 amFail.

you're a little confusing sometimes,

what do you think of DH (DharmaHelper)

I don't think of him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:35 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:34 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:33 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:29 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:07 am I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin

As opposed to a non genuine one?

Plagiarist.

My friend I have sank one bottle of shiraz and was in catch up. I had not yet seen your post. Rather than a plagiarist, I am merely a fan.

My favorite red. So good.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:22 am

Spoiler: show

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:01 am

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:56 am Just reread it. You say you have a case but then the next sentences are all qualifiers and concerns about side angles which serve to weaken it. You spend more time on the side stuff that concern you about it than your actual suspicion. I don't know how else to explain your post to you, lol. I'm heading to bed, g'night. Hopefully you will see things clearly soon.

I said I have a suspicion, but that I also have reservations about the way Colin is being treated in the thread. If it’s messy, it’s because my thought process is unsettled. Because it’s Day 1. You’ve lamented yourself how difficult Day 1 often is. I wasn’t distracted from my suspicion on Colin. I was simply discussing it within the context of the game. I then laid out my case in another post shortly after, but you’re not looking at that because it’s not included in Epi’s (intentionally) bullshit case.

To what end do you think Epignosis has fabricated this case against you?

He does things like this often. I don't care to speculate on why I think he's doing this or what his motivations could be, but I've seen him employ fake reads as a civilian too many times to be upset by it. It's upsetting that you guys are listening to him though.

I can give evidence in support of my belief that he's full of bologna though. First, let's establish that Epignosis is not a frivolous mafia player. He is calculated and clever, and puts real, honest, sincere thought into the things that he does regardless of his alignment. Now let's look at the case that he made. It starts here:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:18 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:14 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:10 am What mafia member says, "You know what? I'm going to plop a lazy third vote down on DDL early on in the day and draw attention to myself! That's a great idea!"

Lock civilian.

a careless one

this is not my primary concern about colin anyway.

You're the one who is bad.

Short, impulsive declaration of the read. Okay. Nothing too strong yet, but this isn't the most severe introduction to a case I've ever seen from him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:23 am Sloonei is so bad.

This is where he starts to get a bit loosey goosey (read: not serious, frivolous). This type of post is more at home in Macdougall's ISO, not Epi's. He's just stirring a pot.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:23 am I am about to dismantle you in front of your peers. Are you ready?

Colorful and playful banter. Yeah, this is not serious business Epi.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:07 am I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

This is the case. This is a very narrow-minded case from Epignosis. Yes, he picks at linguistic oddities from time to time, but that's the only typical Epignosis characteristic in this post. I believe he knows exactly what I meant when I qualified my Colin read. I also don't believe he's suspicious of a person for expressing reservations about a Day 1 read. Epignosis, serious Epignosis, understands that Day 1 reads are fluid, unsettled, and changing. He might have a little bit of suspicion against me. He does not have "Sloonei is so bad, I'm going to dismantle him" level of suspicion. Certainly not 24 hours into a game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:07 am I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

"Genuine" because the first play in the Day 1 Sloonei playbook is to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Case in point: My Tranq vote which I just talked about in my previous post. Or, you know, any other game I've ever played on the Syndicate. I clarified that my Colin suspicion is genuine to iterate that this is more than just pot-stirring. My vote is on him because I actually find things he's said to be suspicious, not solely because I want to make people respond to my vote being on him.

If your suspicion of Colin was true, none of the red shit I highlighted would logically follow. If you truly believe Colin is bad you wouldn't care if other people think so too (in fact, you should welcome it), you wouldn't care how many teams there are (who gives a shit?) and you wouldn't care if bad guys lynch other bad guys.

You are bad. This is obvious to me.

The bullshit alarms are sounding all over this post, but I don't care. This post presents my read as if all Day 1 reads should be black and white. "If you believe Colin is bad you wouldn't care if other people think so too, as if everything that is happening here is in its own little vacuum and my read should be concretely settled because I believe in it. He then reaffirms how "obvious" it is that I am bad as if any of this stuff holds weight, or as if he'd really be so sure this early in a game. This is not a sincere case from Epginosis.

Epi is my strongest town read in the game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:37 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:36 am #StopSuspectingPeopleForThinkingInShadesOfGrey2k19

I can get behind this campaign.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:15 am I do see some valid points on the case against sloonei but I also can see that as a playstyle thing. It's been awhile since I've been here but I know sometimes people just go in guns blazing and start accusing people and get the conversation going. It's not my thing but some people are good at that.
Also just wondering why if someone is a top poster they shouldn't be voted for. Just in the sense that they do get people talking and a conversation happening?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:15 am I kind of agree with Epi on Colin. His post voting on me is beyond terrible. So terrible I have to wonder why a mafia would make it. Feels like a classic "too bad to be bad" case.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:01 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:22 am

Spoiler: show

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:05 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:01 am

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:56 am Just reread it. You say you have a case but then the next sentences are all qualifiers and concerns about side angles which serve to weaken it. You spend more time on the side stuff that concern you about it than your actual suspicion. I don't know how else to explain your post to you, lol. I'm heading to bed, g'night. Hopefully you will see things clearly soon.

I said I have a suspicion, but that I also have reservations about the way Colin is being treated in the thread. If it’s messy, it’s because my thought process is unsettled. Because it’s Day 1. You’ve lamented yourself how difficult Day 1 often is. I wasn’t distracted from my suspicion on Colin. I was simply discussing it within the context of the game. I then laid out my case in another post shortly after, but you’re not looking at that because it’s not included in Epi’s (intentionally) bullshit case.

To what end do you think Epignosis has fabricated this case against you?

He does things like this often. I don't care to speculate on why I think he's doing this or what his motivations could be, but I've seen him employ fake reads as a civilian too many times to be upset by it. It's upsetting that you guys are listening to him though.

I can give evidence in support of my belief that he's full of bologna though. First, let's establish that Epignosis is not a frivolous mafia player. He is calculated and clever, and puts real, honest, sincere thought into the things that he does regardless of his alignment. Now let's look at the case that he made. It starts here:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:18 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:14 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:10 am What mafia member says, "You know what? I'm going to plop a lazy third vote down on DDL early on in the day and draw attention to myself! That's a great idea!"

Lock civilian.

a careless one

this is not my primary concern about colin anyway.

You're the one who is bad.

Short, impulsive declaration of the read. Okay. Nothing too strong yet, but this isn't the most severe introduction to a case I've ever seen from him.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:23 am Sloonei is so bad.

This is where he starts to get a bit loosey goosey (read: not serious, frivolous). This type of post is more at home in Macdougall's ISO, not Epi's. He's just stirring a pot.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:23 am I am about to dismantle you in front of your peers. Are you ready?

Colorful and playful banter. Yeah, this is not serious business Epi.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:07 am I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

This is the case. This is a very narrow-minded case from Epignosis. Yes, he picks at linguistic oddities from time to time, but that's the only typical Epignosis characteristic in this post. I believe he knows exactly what I meant when I qualified my Colin read. I also don't believe he's suspicious of a person for expressing reservations about a Day 1 read. Epignosis, serious Epignosis, understands that Day 1 reads are fluid, unsettled, and changing. He might have a little bit of suspicion against me. He does not have "Sloonei is so bad, I'm going to dismantle him" level of suspicion. Certainly not 24 hours into a game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:33 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:28 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:07 am I've added another town read to my list.

I have a genuine Day 1 suspicion of Colin, but am I little anxious about the ease with which his case gained momentum. His post about bandwagonining DDL is patented shady-nasty business, but I don't know how to feel about the seemingly exaggerated scrutiny it's received. Then again, there's also the fact that we have two scum teams. It's entirely possible for scum to pile on an easy bandwagon that ends up being correct. I'd like for Colin to say things. I'll lay out my own gripes against them so he has more variety to respond to. I was voting for Colin before it was cool, after all.

You qualified your suspicion of Colin as "genuine." If you are a civilian, what else could it be? Why is the adjective necessary?

I know people will roll their eyes, but someone literally did this in the Mafia Universe game I was in, and I backed off on it, and the mafia won.

Fuck that. Fuck adverbs and adjectives and adjuncts.

The bottom line is that you started out with telling us your suspicion of Colin is genuine, but then you talked about how anxious you feel about other people agreeing that he's bad.

After that you have to talk about two bad teams. Who the fuck cares?

Voting Sloonei.

"Genuine" because the first play in the Day 1 Sloonei playbook is to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Case in point: My Tranq vote which I just talked about in my previous post. Or, you know, any other game I've ever played on the Syndicate. I clarified that my Colin suspicion is genuine to iterate that this is more than just pot-stirring. My vote is on him because I actually find things he's said to be suspicious, not solely because I want to make people respond to my vote being on him.

If your suspicion of Colin was true, none of the red shit I highlighted would logically follow. If you truly believe Colin is bad you wouldn't care if other people think so too (in fact, you should welcome it), you wouldn't care how many teams there are (who gives a shit?) and you wouldn't care if bad guys lynch other bad guys.

You are bad. This is obvious to me.

The bullshit alarms are sounding all over this post, but I don't care. This post presents my read as if all Day 1 reads should be black and white. "If you believe Colin is bad you wouldn't care if other people think so too, as if everything that is happening here is in its own little vacuum and my read should be concretely settled because I believe in it. He then reaffirms how "obvious" it is that I am bad as if any of this stuff holds weight, or as if he'd really be so sure this early in a game. This is not a sincere case from Epginosis.

Epi is my strongest town read in the game.

Sloonbeard, I like the cut of your jib, but I don't love this post. If Epi is doing an epi thing and manufacturing a case, doesn't calling it out like this undermine whatever he is trying to accomplish?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:21 pm Gonna vote either Cbob or Sloonei tbh

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:44 pm colonialbob please see your earlier post below. Colin said he probably won't be here today so I'm suggestion you clarify for us what "something specific" means in your post.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:17 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:40 pm Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:


Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.

There's something specific that led to my vote but I don't want to share yet because I'd rather see how he handles the pressure

So far: not great, bob

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:34 pm What is cbob generally like? I don't think I know him.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:00 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.

This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.

OK, thanks c-bob. Also, did you notice if this is the post when Colin voted DDL?

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:05 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.

This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.

Apparently people liking Epig's posts becomse a thing people notice

I'm curious about this line of reasoning. It's early Day 1, someone liked someone else's post, and you vote them to await their response, but... like, what response would you expect? I feel like this is a similar thing to me n Sloonei last night, sometimes a guy just likes a post, right? So... what response to your vote would have made you back off of him, vs. what response to your vote would have solidified him as a baddie and left your vote in place?

Enrique wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:07 pm [VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:40 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:31 pm I thought I saw an epig vote mixed in there, maybe I misread?

I guess what I'm stuck on is... why not leave your vote on sig, who you seem pretty strong on, relative to it being day 1, WHILE you talk up other candidates?
Don't you weaken your own ideas by removing your vote from your #1 guy? You and me both know that a number of people will show up in the last few hours and vote with little thought, and they will do so using the current votes as a sort of weaksauce guide.

For Sloonei, this is a waste of town's greatest asset. Their vote. Sloonei throwing his vote around with varying degrees of seriousness is not something I think is scum indicative for him.

I'm not caught up but this has been "Quin sticks his nose where it doesn't belong and make a fool of himself doing so". Tune in next time.

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:51 pm i went to read back and noticed everyone was hankering for a sig lynch and let me tell you if you do it then i'm quitting mafia forever

i mean if there's more than the use of 'bloodthirsty' when describing SVS as the case against him then be my guest but what i've read makes me want to throw up

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:07 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:05 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:51 pm i went to read back and noticed everyone was hankering for a sig lynch and let me tell you if you do it then i'm quitting mafia forever

i mean if there's more than the use of 'bloodthirsty' when describing SVS as the case against him then be my guest but what i've read makes me want to throw up

Make it 2

stop budding it wont work...

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timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:18 pm Ugh, not liking that vote. There isn't enough on wilgy yo feel good about that vote. I need a better target.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:39 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:37 pm Hmmm...sloonei I think said "take a look at sprityo" and I just did. This is his only post of any consequence:

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:34 am Coming from experience, i think sloonei looks town. I drilled a hole into him for his weird wording and actions in megaman, and we were both town. I'm more interested in the fact DDL still isnt the main topic of discussion with 3 votes on him

(he corrected DDL to Colin in his next post)

I don't disagree with his post but it's the only thing he's said that's relevant on day 1 (day 0 he gave us the definition of verisimilitude) and he only has 6 posts in all. This makes me nervous, it makes me think of a Day 1 lay-low baddie. I don't think it's enough to change my vote though. @sprityo if you come online could you give us some game related thoughts? Who are you going to vote for and why?

Probably no one, because I haven’t invested myself yet

Don’t get me wrong, this setup looks great, but I’ll be in the back seat putting lollipops in people’s hair until I think feel like doing otherwise

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:44 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:19 pmWhich players are you considering voting for?

It's the other way around for me right now, i have a couple of players i don't want to vote for. That's usually how it is on Day 1. G-Man's post is one i liked, for example.
I wouldn't mind a Wilgy vote.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:22 pm Keeping my vote with drwilgy for now as of yet haven't seen much of a case not to other than someone saying he has done that before in other games. Unless he has some kind of personal stuff going on I don't see why he would vote no explanation and then just leave for the whole day phase.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:30 pm There's enough of us around to come to a better consensus than this

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:40 pm

Spoiler: show

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:03 am Good morning everyone, we play at last! sabie12 so glad to have you back with us. And so glad to have you guys I've played mafia with for the most years - Tranq, S~V~S, Lorab and Sorsha. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

I also have no idea what the poll means so I'm going to wait to vote in it until there is some more discussion around it. Also, I will be at work today from 8:30 until this afternoon without access to the thread so I'm sure I'll come home to an explosion! Ok, so later.

The hardest part of trying to construct a case against juliets is that she's the human embodiment of warmth and kindness. Lose all emotional affect.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:22 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:39 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Wait a minute, I remember a game where I was part of a 3 civ group with BTSC that was a LC/BR game - was that World Apart? I can't remember mafia games years after I've played them at all. Anyway, I agree this sounds like a pro-town option so that's where I'm voting.

Similar to sig, this post has a "How do you do, fellow town?" vibe. She makes a deliberate point to frame her chosen option as pro-town before casting the vote. I'm skeptical.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:18 am Good news! Votes are indeed changeable, and I put mine on Tranq. Aubergine.

Sloonei, sorry if I missed your reasoning but what did you see about Tranq that made you put a vote on him?

Her first game-relevant action is to ask me about my Tranq vote. I don't know what she did with this question.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:50 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

So bob, you mention Epi's DDL suspicion and say you are not a fan of sable's responses but then vote Colin. Could you share why you voted him?

Similar question for cbob. In both cases her response was simply to say "thanks." You're welcome.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:24 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:00 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:37 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

As someone who has played several LC/BR games I don't know if I believe that you believe that anything in the game is meaningless.

This is why I voted for Tranq.

Ah, ok thanks Sloonei.

Do you have an opinion on this?

After thinking about it, I don't understand why Tranq said that after having played Long Rock games in the past, so maybe I should just ask him: @Tranq what made you say this after having played their games in the past where the polls - especially the first poll - were meaningful?

Also though, I'm less inclined to vote on day 1 one of the people who has been gone for years from our site. I'm not saying I won't vote for one but the evidence would have to be strong.

lots of linki which I will read after posting

Past-Sloonei was on the ball, though, and didn't let her off the hook that easy. She responded by essentially parroting the concern and then asking Tranq to explain his post, but then expressed hesitation about voting for players in Tranq's situation. In other words, she doesn't do much.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:14 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:58 pm I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

huh, you're right. I went back and looked at the game and indeed the poll options were just music genres but the poll outcome was those that those who voted one of the options got taken off the day 1 poll. So, I see what you mean about the difference between options and polls so this explanation rings true to me. Thanks for explaining.

Accepts Tranq's response without criticism.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:14 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:11 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:05 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:59 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:43 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:30 pm
Hey SVS, I don't know if I've played with you before, but I've seen you around and sort of know about you. My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions. Mac doesn't think so, and therefore thinks I "attacked" nutella for no reason over her (in my opinon) completely invalid Jack suspicion. Does that clear things up for you?

Out of curiosity, what do you sort of know about S~V~S?

So um, speedchuck played game of champions with her last year, before I even joined the site, and he ranted to me about her suspecting him.

Yeah he aggressively defended the guy with the blinking neon "Baddie" sign on his head. Good times.

If people who know you better than I that I feel ok about tell me this is your norm, I am open to moving my vote. Plenty of day one weirdness in this thread lol.

But for now I'm good.

I would like to tell you a list of references who can attest to my civ game, but I get mislynched pretty often, because apparently I don't know how to play like a civ.

Luna does seem to get mislynched but I think it's because we don't know how to read her more than it is she doesn't know how to play like a civ. I thought her question to nutella was good, I also wondered if she was voting based on Hogwarts or something she has seen this game.

Vaguely vouches for luna while just-as-vaguely criticizing nutella, but I don't actually see a read on either player in this game right now. Not ideal.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:45 am I appreciate Epi's pointing out some oddities in Sloonei's posts because Sloonei is a tough nut to crack for me. He had me completely snowed in a game I played with him earlier this year where he was bad. But I agree with Sloonei's point that he doesn't think this is a sincere case. I think it's a bold move to enhance conversation.

Juliets is mostly just posting to express agreement with things. Is this normal for her?

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:55 am Something is bothering me about G-Man but I can't put my finger on it. I was not a fan of his post calling DH short sighted and dismissive. Maybe it's just the tone which isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Anyway, I agree with DDL, I'd like to see more from G-Man today.

This is one of my Red Flag statements. I always perk up when I see someone thrust such a vague suspicion on a person. Qualify that junk! Otherwise it can just be read as phony bandwagoning. Not a good look for juliets.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:39 am Ok, I found this quote from Mac:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:53 pm Oh I just read some Jack posts that pinged me. There's no actual case there.

Mac, would you share what posts pinged you?

Puts her attention on the Jack case, but... I don't see her actually doing much here.

There's a lot of the same for a while, then this:

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:32 pm I have to leave for awhile, I was hoping sig would post his walk-through before I had to go. For now, I'm going to vote for Wilgy.

@DrWilgy if you come online would please explain your vote for c-bob and tell us a little bit about your reads or suspicions or anything game related except mechanics?

I will be back after I have done my physical therapy. I will not, btw, be here for EOD. Way past my bedtime.

Yuck. Taken with the rest of Juliets' ISO, this vote is supremely weak. I can't identify a single read juliets has made this game, and her vote is on the established lazy low-poster option. Not good.

And then there's a couple more posts where she reacts to other people saying things without taking a stance. I have a definitive beef here. Juliets has spent most of the day agreeing with people and asking straightforward questions. I do not see a single read on a player anywhere in these posts, and I see no evidence that she's actively working with the information gained from any of the questions she's asked. I could get behind a juliets case.

@juliets, what are your reads on nutella and luna?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:42 pm [VOTE: juliets] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:49 pm Sloo I find it strange that you are off looking at other candidates about an hour before EOD when we have about 18 people with votes on them.

I don't feel strongly about any of these candidates, and clearly there's no consensus anywhere. What's wrong with looking at other options?

Nothing on the surface I suppose but there's just something weird about the scientific way you are going about it all. I am currently doing mental gymnastics trying to build the synapse connections to quantify your alignment to your posts.

... huh? I'm looking at specific ISOs. That's... how people usually do this sort of thing. G-Man mentioned juliets, I realized I'd not given any thought to her this game. I looked, she's got an uninspiring ISO. I voted for her. Nobody has more than 3 votes in the poll and we've got over an hour to go. I'm confused by your confusion. This would hardly even qualify as a CFD. There's plenty of time and no established frontrunners.

At the time G-Man did that you were both on 2 votes. I put it to you that G-Man are working together to prevent each other's lynch on account of being Mafia together.

My argument. None of the other viable wagons are flailing around looking to build cases on the likes of juliets and sig. Both easy targets. You guys are doing it because you feel like you have more to lose than the rest of the candidates do because you are 2 members of the same Mafia team. Boom game set. Get out of my thread.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:53 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:49 pm Sloo I find it strange that you are off looking at other candidates about an hour before EOD when we have about 18 people with votes on them.

I don't feel strongly about any of these candidates, and clearly there's no consensus anywhere. What's wrong with looking at other options?

Nothing on the surface I suppose but there's just something weird about the scientific way you are going about it all. I am currently doing mental gymnastics trying to build the synapse connections to quantify your alignment to your posts.

... huh? I'm looking at specific ISOs. That's... how people usually do this sort of thing. G-Man mentioned juliets, I realized I'd not given any thought to her this game. I looked, she's got an uninspiring ISO. I voted for her. Nobody has more than 3 votes in the poll and we've got over an hour to go. I'm confused by your confusion. This would hardly even qualify as a CFD. There's plenty of time and no established frontrunners.

At the time G-Man did that you were both on 2 votes. I put it to you that G-Man are working together to prevent each other's lynch on account of being Mafia together.

My argument. None of the other viable wagons are flailing around looking to build cases on the likes of juliets and sig. Both easy targets. You guys are doing it because you feel like you have more to lose than the rest of the candidates do because you are 2 members of the same Mafia team. Boom game set. Get out of my thread.

Why not just got back to Colin or wilgy tho

Decent questions. Most logical answer is they actually have a genuine scum read on juliets more so than they do on Colin or Wilgy. Remember we have mafia who can hunt mafia in this here game and it's always safer for them to be sincere especially in the early game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 am ... G-Man has switched his vote to me too. Cool.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:16 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:58 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:56 pm

Nothing on the surface I suppose but there's just something weird about the scientific way you are going about it all. I am currently doing mental gymnastics trying to build the synapse connections to quantify your alignment to your posts.

... huh? I'm looking at specific ISOs. That's... how people usually do this sort of thing. G-Man mentioned juliets, I realized I'd not given any thought to her this game. I looked, she's got an uninspiring ISO. I voted for her. Nobody has more than 3 votes in the poll and we've got over an hour to go. I'm confused by your confusion. This would hardly even qualify as a CFD. There's plenty of time and no established frontrunners.

At the time G-Man did that you were both on 2 votes. I put it to you that G-Man are working together to prevent each other's lynch on account of being Mafia together.

My argument. None of the other viable wagons are flailing around looking to build cases on the likes of juliets and sig. Both easy targets. You guys are doing it because you feel like you have more to lose than the rest of the candidates do because you are 2 members of the same Mafia team. Boom game set. Get out of my thread.

Why not just got back to Colin or wilgy tho

Decent questions. Most logical answer is they actually have a genuine scum read on juliets more so than they do on Colin or Wilgy. Remember we have mafia who can hunt mafia in this here game and it's always safer for them to be sincere especially in the early game.

Do you think the case on juliets was better than the other two? More well constructed, I mean, not whether you believe it

Are there cases on the other two?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:18 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:17 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 am ... G-Man has switched his vote to me too. Cool.

(Look at me I'm Mac)

... are you accusing me of bussing Sloonei?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:20 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:18 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:16 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:12 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:05 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:01 am

At the time G-Man did that you were both on 2 votes. I put it to you that G-Man are working together to prevent each other's lynch on account of being Mafia together.

My argument. None of the other viable wagons are flailing around looking to build cases on the likes of juliets and sig. Both easy targets. You guys are doing it because you feel like you have more to lose than the rest of the candidates do because you are 2 members of the same Mafia team. Boom game set. Get out of my thread.

Why not just got back to Colin or wilgy tho

Decent questions. Most logical answer is they actually have a genuine scum read on juliets more so than they do on Colin or Wilgy. Remember we have mafia who can hunt mafia in this here game and it's always safer for them to be sincere especially in the early game.

Do you think the case on juliets was better than the other two? More well constructed, I mean, not whether you believe it

Are there cases on the other two?

You're...

you're fucking with me right

Go ahead and point at the cases.