The Syndicate

haha im a civvie haha

this is my second of sixty posts for day 0

hi tim!

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:15 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:09 pm this is my second of sixty posts for day 0
Good to see you again rabbit. How will you survive with this postcap? lol

good to see you as well benson.

i probably won't, but i appreciate the concern.

oh no day 0 is actually thirty oh i see now

anyway how are we feeling about the concept of property rights today?

didnt realize zack was a philosopher

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:18 pm anyway how are we feeling about the concept of property rights today?
That the wolves shouldn't be allowed to own any property in my thread.

doesnt sound very principled idk mind writing a treatise on this?

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:23 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:22 pm
Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:18 pm anyway how are we feeling about the concept of property rights today?
That the wolves shouldn't be allowed to own any property in my thread.
doesnt sound very principled idk mind writing a treatise on this?
Sure. But can you read latin?

a quick control-f on my wikipedia article does not indicate so but latin was pretty commonly taught to all the educated class back in my day so maybe i can im not sure

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:29 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:26 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm didnt realize zack was a philosopher
i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl
As long as we have provided the answers Tony needs to advance the game to day one this seems like the legit best strat tbh.

how so? do you not believe in day 0 intros being readable?

im town btw

jesus kza wtf is that avatar

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:38 pm Kaz needs to go back to the avatar that made him famous.

i concur

indubitably my good sir

looking to break my record of most posts in a single game on this site in this game wish me luck friends

i have my ways

Benson wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:41 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:37 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:30 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:29 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:26 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm didnt realize zack was a philosopher
i've always preferred the classics

anyways: hello and sorry and advance to those who don't know me. i help run mafia universe and i assure you it's not a position i attained through prowess at the game

there's like a 70% chance i'm legit just gonna fuck off until d1 glgl
As long as we have provided the answers Tony needs to advance the game to day one this seems like the legit best strat tbh.
how so? do you not believe in day 0 intros being readable?
They are on par with the early day one RVS and shiptoasting stage, which we will have plenty of time for day one.

I guess I was thinking more in terms of getting our answers in and moving on as opposed to stretching day zero looking for benefits...but you raise a valid point. If you want to stretch it out and have an extended meet and greet that can be fun and maybe productive. I'm in.
If anything, we will get that "shitposting" out of the way now and Day 1 will start with a more serious tone. But I see your point about wanting to move along. I don't think there would or will be any deliberate stretching it out.

these two posts are pretty nerdy im getting a nerdlean on benson and tim

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:43 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:41 pmi have my ways
this man about to change the definition of a number, watch out mathematicians

have you been introduced to our lord and savior, "surreal numbers"?

https://www.whitman.edu/documents/Acade ... /Grimm.pdf

alright gonna save some posts now i guess

alison / tutuu is a civ on civ conflict

i can tell by the pixels

PRAXIS

i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:59 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:58 pm i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me
I know I am.

0 / 2 you got a third?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:01 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:59 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:59 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:58 pm i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me
I know I am.
0 / 2 you got a third?
Why is tutuu town?

esoteric reasoning that i care not to spell out at this point in time

apologies

you may continue to tunnel tutuu and i will no longer intefere though, if that's what you'd like

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:05 pm "Tunnel" is an interesting choice of words, given that I've made one post calling tutuu scum, one post explaining the read, and then another post explaining that the read is serious.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

my word choice is a bit imprecise sometimes and i use connotations that dont quite work

but i got a vibe of "tunnel" from my perceived strength of the scumread there. didn't mean to imply it was persisting a long time. how's bad word choice ai though?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:06 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:58 pm i just reread the entire thread and wow im actually pretty scummy wonder how many people are scumreading me
actually i disagree? i thought u were kinda towny

why did u scumread yourself? i wanna argue your read on yourself

my rhythms too even, the "nerdlean" post was a bit scummy in itself (kinda forced joke feel adjacent to actual read but not actual read), responding to too many people and therefore exuding nervous energy

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:08 pm Now to decide if "esoteric reasoning" is short for "I want to defend my scum buddy" or "I know tutuu is town because I have TMI". It's probably the latter and calling us V/V is just a pocket attempt.

b r u h

pretty sure for actual day 1 im gonna have to restrict my own posting to like the last quarter of day or else im gonna blow all my posts stupidly and not be able to post my good reads when they actually come

so its good this night 0 phase reminded me of that

i only wanted to call civ/civ for the postgame cred tbqh

and i actually know how to post towny as scum i just sandbag as town and post stupid shit because i always become obvtown anyway

we'll see if i live up to that next phase i suppose

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:14 pm i only wanted to call civ/civ for the postgame cred tbqh

and i actually know how to post towny as scum i just sandbag as town and post stupid shit because i always become obvtown anyway

we'll see if i live up to that next phase i suppose

is this a scumslip

haha still town hahahahahaha

ok 30/30 my d1 entrance will be a full readslist bai glhf

Spoiler: show

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.
i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:34 pm I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far
and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:10 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:52 pm 24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke
this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:14 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:09 am If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.
i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:17 am i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:18 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:15 am Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.
yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:23 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:23 am framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?
it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy

not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

iaafr also noticably turned off his online indicator so that might be scummy idk (is this an angleshoot on this site?)

yall already know how easily i might flip flop off this scumread

but ive been tunneling this pretty much the entire time ive been postcapped

[mention]protocultures[/mention] btw the way to keep track of your post count is using the "posts in topic" feature imo

though you'll have to keep track of how many you were at before each phase started

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:43 am Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go

just gonna note randomly that this pinged me as potentially scum with radishes (because i dont think radishes has been nearly as towny as me and tutuu and this kind of early declaration of 3 townreads comes from scum a decent amount) but this is like

an extremely weak read

posting it anyway because why not

that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:48 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:45 pm that said i was flattered by nanook calling me clear until d3 or whatever it was he said so im daypassing him probs
Clear until f3!

aight; deal; likewise

tfw have f r e e u n l i m i t e d p o s t i n g for 10 more minutes but no good shitposts in mind to take advantage

i have no idea what that says i hope it wasnt offensive

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:56 pm Okay, so didn't overestimate the Master Radishes. Will keep in mind.

Feelies on Alison and Tutuu based on their initial clash being too attention grabby to be w/w, and Tutuu's reaction being too calm to be a wolf randomly tunneled by a villager friend.

Any thoughts here?

my townread on tutuu is essentially for depth and transparency of thoughts that felt genuine and idiosyncratic

my townlean on alison is because i also thought tutuu gave mild scum vibes early and alison's readiness to jump on her susses and get into the game immediately is towny in my book

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:57 pm Rabbit's just Rabbit...if his Amy read flip flops less than five times in the course of D1 I will worry about him.

would you believe ive managed to stay voted on a single player for over 80% of day 1 as town before

its happened like once in a non turbo (though it was 3/21) and in a few turbos

anyway im bringing this up because i imagine this might be one of those games; im pretty tunneled

1/60 btw

now gonna actively lurk and conserve posts for the first 24h

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:21 pm
Spoiler: show
Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 am
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.
i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:34 pm I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far
and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:10 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:52 pm 24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke
this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:14 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:09 am If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.
i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:17 am i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:18 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:15 am Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.
yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:23 am
protocultures wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:23 am framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?
it's a copypasta. i didn't write it

amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy

not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.

reposting this for this page and to reiterate pretty much nothing's changed except maybe moving benson up to townleans

and reiterating that my vote will be on amy till further notice

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

Benson wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:12 pm The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are.

[VOTE: Amy ] aubergine

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Rabbit, did I move up just because I'm also SRing Amy? Or was it something else?

honestly thats over half the reason; i'm ok with the radishes thoughts too

still fearing you and got pinged by some stuff though, not gonna telegraph/explain until it becomes relevant

i think it's fair to not have nutella as town

ive wavered a bit but i decided her progression on me was more towny than not

probably the weakest in my top tier but theres something about the way shes forming thoughts that feels like i should just town her and not question it too much

but yeah not begrudging not having that read, idk.

(also possibly spewed v by amy hell yea preflip tunneling)

5/60

ok sure i buy it why not

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

nope changed my mind again

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

its still possible man i was only voted on nutella for like 2m

Amy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:13 pm iaafr, tell me why you went from giving nutella a fairly secure townread to using her as your temporary landing spot when you wanted to unvote me in the span of 1 post?

also tell me what ran through your head when you jumped off/jumped back on in general

2/60

in the world where youre town, i could buy nutella being on you being the scummiest person expressing sus of you. benson/protocultures both seem more genuinely convinced.

i noted that i was wavery on nutella earlier. that's because one of the things you took issue with in the first round of posting (her calling me in my wolfrange) was an issue with me as well. i don't think nutella actually knows my wolfrange. i just liked that she "thought about it more" and moved me to locktown apropos of nothing. i thought that was valid progression. still could've been pockety though, and calling me still in my wolfrange was still sort of pingy.

townreads of this sort are the most precarious because i could just be being pocketed, so yeah.

jumped back on because i decided your defense post still wasnt enough for me to stop tunneling you for now. though unlike what tutuu said, i'm not really trying to pressure per se, it's just an actual scumread that may or may not change. if you think you work better sans pressure, i am perfectly willing to unvote and ignore you for up to 6h to EOD, then re-verdict you then.

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