The Syndicate

howdy folks

I'm going to Tropical, as it's supposedly very nice this time of year.

my favorite mystical creature is the skinwalker, as it's scary and walking what with the skin and stuff

did i pass

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:39 am INH! TSP! I see you down there!

INH what do you think of Elohchin? What do you think of me and TSP?

TSP what do you think of me and INH? What do you think of DF?

What is your favorite color? And where is that screaming coming from?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:47 pm @INH

You got any tells?

In all honesty, I enjoy being mafia more. I find it more engaging to deceive than to investigate. So, if I look like I'm having a large amount of fun from a game, I'm most likely not a run-of-the-mill civilian.

I can't wait for this to be quoted in future cases against me.

After watching Rico get put to pasture in Blue Velvet despite being the only civilian to identify the baddies, I'm willing to vote to protect him.

Made seems suspicious to me for going after an easy target.

Then again, other people seem to be seizing this as an excuse to make Made into an easy target.

However, this is a game with two mafias, so both occurrences could turn out to be legitimately baddie-driven.

No matter how you slice the cookie crumbles, I'm leaning towards voting Made.

Also not a fan of the sprityo vote

Made wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:42 pmLinki: inh, on day one, does it not make sense to vote someone who's sketchirino?

it makes perfect sense.

*votes Made*

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:16 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 9:38 pm After watching Rico get put to pasture in Blue Velvet despite being the only civilian to identify the baddies, I'm willing to vote to protect him.

Made seems suspicious to me for going after an easy target.

Then again, other people seem to be seizing this as an excuse to make Made into an easy target.

However, this is a game with two mafias, so both occurrences could turn out to be legitimately baddie-driven.

No matter how you slice the cookie crumbles, I'm leaning towards voting Made.

Also not a fan of the sprityo vote

INH, are you fearful?

In general or about something in particular?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:34 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:16 pm
INH, are you fearful?

In general or about something in particular?

In regards to the choice you made following this post.

Eh. I'm indifferent. It's Day 1, my least favorite time in mafia games. I like to base my reads off of actual knowledge, and the standard D1 hearsay and whatforth are more annoying than anything else.

Made was a modicum more suspicious than the other players, therefore he got my vote. Let the cards fall where they may.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:43 pm Damn, Steve was a big asset.

If by "big asset," you mean "the worst," then yeah.

Boomslang wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2017 10:45 pm Frak.Well, congrats on earning your CivBux™, Golden.

Eh. 2 baddie teams means Golden's grandstanding doesn't even convert into a half an INH Civ-Simoleon.

well according to golden, golden's acting exactly how he does when he's a civilian, so I don't see any way anyone else can contradict him on that

also, if golden is highly aware of how he is when he's a civilian to "people who know him," wouldn't he try and, I dunno, act exactly that way when he's bad?

just some brain food

PEOPLE RICOCHET HAS GIVEN THE WOLF EMOJI TO:

Sprityo
INH
Golden
Nutella

So, that's where his head's at. I'll keep updating this as the game progresses.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:06 pm Okay. I'm seeing a team of three of Golden, Nutella, JOH, sprityo, and Epi and a team of three of DFaraday, INH, Speed, Dom, and INH.

Golden wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:17 pm inh being his own teammate would be kind of epic.

we need to save these self-teammate shenanigans for Chicka Chicka, where's it's not only possible but highly likely.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:34 am INH, gth who is bad?

The whole entire world...

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 1:03 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:34 am INH, gth who is bad?

The whole entire world...

Care to answer the question?

Would your read of me be affected if I cared not to?

I think that's pretty weak reasoning, if we assume Rico's cursed.

Wouldn't it also be easy to postulate that whoever cursed Rico would publicly state how annoying they find Poppy-posting, therefore distancing themselves from the curse, giving themselves an ostensible alibi?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:00 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 8:56 pm To answer my own question, INH. I agree with Ricochet about the curse.

That's interesting. You'd put inh ahead of Tony?

I also think the 'inh did the curse' thing has merit. So does LC doing it, though. It has to be someone who actually read the game it came from, I don't know who was in that game.

I would. I know INH better than I know TonyStarkPrime (however much anyone could "know" INH- I honest to God PMed him when I saw his location was Lumberton, NC, since Lumberton is 30 minutes from house. He never responded). TonyStarkPrime could be the guy I said he was, but so could a bunch of other people. Hell, let him live long enough and maybe he'll expose himself if I'm right. There's still plenty of mafia to go around.

I honestly didn't receive a PM from you about that.

Lumberton NC is the location in which the movie Blue Velvet is set, not my actual location for the record.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:23 pm Poppy seems more vengeful this game. Sheesh.

INH, what are your reads right now? Last time you gave them, I think Made was still topping your scumlist.

Well, seems like we've reached the point in most regular-type mafia games I play where I start catching heat for a perceived lack of reads. I'll be honest, barring anything particularly invigorating, I'm hella slow to form reads and opinions, a habit which is inherently suspicious to most players.

Out of the Golden Versus Dom row, I'd have to buck against the grain and say that Dom comes out looking more genuinely town to me.

Golden's probably the mafia player who stymies me the most. Despite thinking he's an upstanding guy outside of mafia, I can't see eye to eye with him on most of his preferred mafia strategies, and I have an incorrect predisposition towards finding them suspicious, which can come back to bite me.

Then again, he's also painfully aware of our failure to empathize on a mafia gameplay level, and I'm paranoid that he could be using that to divert me from his own actual scumminess. So, I can't really trust neither my gut nor my brain when it comes to him.

I think Rico's suspicion of me is idiotic. Here's the sequence of events: Rico does the Poppy gimmick in Blue Velvet Mafia, a game I hosted. The players get annoyed, and Rico gets NK'd. After the game is over, I say with the smug all-knowingness that only mafia hosts can have that Rico was actually more accurate with his baddie hunting than the other players. This game starts. Rico has a new emoji gimmick. I defend him from others due to the similarity of the situation to Blue Velvet. I want to see him present his own opinions before judging him, and analyze his posts in order to do so.

I utterly fail to see why any of that makes me more likely to curse him. And since Rico's limited in his vernacular, I'm not gonna get an explanation any time soon.

Rainbow list of people currently with votes:

INH
Dom
TSP
LC
Golden

Even my lowest ranked isn't someone I'd be super comfortable lynching.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:46 pm And I'll be honest, I'm only bottom for the same reason that you are often near the bottom with me. Paranoia because we don't click.

Inh, you said 'I utterly fail to see why any of that makes me more likely to curse him'. Self-assessment, how likely is it that you'd do something like that, self-reference?

Not very likely. Rico already limited himself this game with his emoji posting style. Adding a posting curse to him reads like a wasted opportunity.

Also it'd be funnier to curse someone who was in the game and got incredibly annoyed by Rico instead of forcing Rico to repeat himself.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:45 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:41 pm Rainbow list of people currently with votes:

INH
Dom
TSP
LC
Golden

Even my lowest ranked isn't someone I'd be super comfortable lynching.

Whom would you want dead?

I'd rather see Boomslang, Sprityo, or Elo's name up there than any of the already chosen options, but that's just off the top of my head.

Also, can I ask why you voted for me?

Honestly not sure why I'm being lynched here.

Explanations other than a lack of reads and some BS about how I'm more likely to curse somebody a certain way would be mucho appreciated.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:55 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:55 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:45 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:41 pm Rainbow list of people currently with votes:

INH
Dom
TSP
LC
Golden

Even my lowest ranked isn't someone I'd be super comfortable lynching.

Whom would you want dead?

I'd rather see Boomslang, Sprityo, or Elo's name up there than any of the already chosen options, but that's just off the top of my head.

Also, can I ask why you voted for me?

I said why.

All I see is you agreeing with Rico that it "seems like something I'd do," before admitting that you don't even particularly know me that well.

It feels like I'm being targeted by players who heavily rely on meta for not really having an established meta personality and brand, unlike Epi's stubborness, Wilgy's aloofness, Rico's post-structural take on "gameplay," and Golden's golden-ness.

Long Con

Purely for self-defense, although I don't really have a positive read on him anyway

Dom wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:01 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:00 pm Long Con

Purely for self-defense, although I don't really have a positive read on him anyway

why ruin my plan to find out if tsp is marcus

A desire not to be lynched if he is. Selfish, I know.

Some EOD weather:

Four people I'm gonna be looking at Day 3, provided I'm still able to look at people by that point:

Epignosis
TSP
Elochin
Boomslang

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:11 am

Long Con

insertnamehere

I need a Ricochet decoder ring.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 7:20 pm Actually, I wanna say I town read him in ASOUE for hunting an opposing scummer and he turned out to be bad. I thought he was anti town in Blue vs Red but he was pretty over the top on purpose in his neutral role.

I guess what I mean is I don't have a good feel for what INH looks like when he's town/bad.

Fuck it. Let's ISO INH.

I was civ in ASOUE, for the record.

Epi, for the second time, can you verbalize your stance on me? I asked you yesterday, and you completely brushed me off.

I'd extend that question to everyone who has bandied about my name. Give me a case or some substance to respond to at least.

Imma gonna ISO Epi.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:40 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:35 pm Epi, for the second time, can you verbalize your stance on me? I asked you yesterday, and you completely brushed me off.

I'd extend that question to everyone who has bandied about my name. Give me a case or some substance to respond to at least.

Imma gonna ISO Epi.

I think you and your team cursed Ricochet. I know people want to write off the Poppy business, but I came in here at one point to say exactly what Ricochet had already said regarding the curse. Someone who played Blue Velvet is on the cursing team. I sure as hell didn't curse Rico with that nonsense, and Long Con didn't. I think you did. It's that simple. Is it a sexy case? No. But it doesn't have to be sexy to be right.

Protip: Next time pick a curse nobody can link you to. Ask your teammate Jack for suggestions.

So, you think someone who was in BV must be on the cursing team. LC was in Blue Velvet. So was Speedchuck, Wilgy, Timmer, Sprityo, and of course Ricochet.

Assuming that LC wasn't the one who told Faceless Old Lady what to curse Rico with, why does it have to be me and not one of the many other people involved in that game?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:49 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:48 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:40 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:35 pm Epi, for the second time, can you verbalize your stance on me? I asked you yesterday, and you completely brushed me off.

I'd extend that question to everyone who has bandied about my name. Give me a case or some substance to respond to at least.

Imma gonna ISO Epi.

I think you and your team cursed Ricochet. I know people want to write off the Poppy business, but I came in here at one point to say exactly what Ricochet had already said regarding the curse. Someone who played Blue Velvet is on the cursing team. I sure as hell didn't curse Rico with that nonsense, and Long Con didn't. I think you did. It's that simple. Is it a sexy case? No. But it doesn't have to be sexy to be right.

Protip: Next time pick a curse nobody can link you to. Ask your teammate Jack for suggestions.

So, you think someone who was in BV must be on the cursing team. LC was in Blue Velvet. So was Speedchuck, Wilgy, Timmer, Sprityo, and of course Ricochet.

Assuming that LC wasn't the one who told Faceless Old Lady what to curse Rico with, why does it have to be me and not one of the many other people involved in that game?

This is the part where you supply cogent reasoning and logic to counterpoint my rebuttal.

I'll just keep reposting my own words until people either read them or respond to them.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:53 pm Rico already limited himself this game with his emoji posting style. Adding a posting curse to him reads like a wasted opportunity.

Also it'd be funnier to curse someone who was in the game and got incredibly annoyed by Rico instead of forcing Rico to repeat himself.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:32 pm I think Rico's suspicion of me is idiotic. Here's the sequence of events: Rico does the Poppy gimmick in Blue Velvet Mafia, a game I hosted. The players get annoyed, and Rico gets NK'd. After the game is over, I say with the smug all-knowingness that only mafia hosts can have that Rico was actually more accurate with his baddie hunting than the other players. This game starts. Rico has a new emoji gimmick. I defend him from others due to the similarity of the situation to Blue Velvet. I want to see him present his own opinions before judging him, and analyze his posts in order to do so.

I utterly fail to see why any of that makes me more likely to curse him. And since Rico's limited in his vernacular, I'm not gonna get an explanation any time soon.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2017 9:59 pm It feels like I'm being targeted by players who heavily rely on meta for not really having an established meta personality and brand, unlike Epi's stubborness, Wilgy's aloofness, Rico's post-structural take on "gameplay," and Golden's golden-ness.

There's this weird sentiment some people are attempting to spread about my character that I'm more predisposed to curse Rico than other players from Blue Velvet. That's probably the most frustrating part of this to me. If people think this is how I play, come out and say it, don't foreshadow and hint. I'd like to converse instead of being stonewalled.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:53 pm I will once you explain to me how Long Con told the Faceless Old Lady what to curse Rico with.

Ah, they were on different teams. My bad.

One mistake doesn't discount my entire argument. You can either respond, or proceed with smuggery. I'd like to hope you'd do something approaching the former, but I guess I'm an optimist.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:53 pm I will once you explain to me how Long Con told the Faceless Old Lady what to curse Rico with.

Beside the point.

Of the remaining players who played in that game, why is INH the one most likely to use that curse?

Keep in mind that some of us didn't play in Blue Velvet and only know what you and Rico are on about through context clues.

Since LC was clearly bad, explain how you are so sure INH is the curser that you were willing to lynch INH instead of LC?

(Expected response: LC was clearly bad?

Preemptive answer: Yes, which you would know if you'd stop pretending to not understand Golden's case on him. Answer the question.)

I don't think LC would curse someone with that. LC is far more creative.

So now we're just full-on insinuating that I lack creativity compared to others, therefore I must be the one who cursed Rico?

Because I've been having the sinking feeling that's been the underlying sentiment behind this entire thing.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:07 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:59 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:57 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:53 pm I will once you explain to me how Long Con told the Faceless Old Lady what to curse Rico with.

Beside the point.

Of the remaining players who played in that game, why is INH the one most likely to use that curse?

Keep in mind that some of us didn't play in Blue Velvet and only know what you and Rico are on about through context clues.

Since LC was clearly bad, explain how you are so sure INH is the curser that you were willing to lynch INH instead of LC?

(Expected response: LC was clearly bad?

Preemptive answer: Yes, which you would know if you'd stop pretending to not understand Golden's case on him. Answer the question.)

I don't think LC would curse someone with that. LC is far more creative.

So now we're just full-on insinuating that I lack creativity compared to others, therefore I must be the one who cursed Rico?

Because I've been having the sinking feeling that's been the underlying sentiment behind this entire thing.

I don't think that's it. You revel in self-incriminating shit.

Who do you think cursed Ricochet?

Citation needed on that first part.

You and mayyybe Speedchuck are the people I could see having cursed right now. I also wouldn't rule out Wilgy or Sprit. I also think it's possible that someone who wasn't in BVM actually read the game to the extent where they were aware of how Rico played.

This whole damn thread's so snotty that I wish I could give it some Mucinex DM.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:57 pm
(Expected response: LC was clearly bad?

Preemptive answer: Yes, which you would know if you'd stop pretending to not understand Golden's case on him. Answer the question.)

And do me a favor- lay off the snotty bullshit please. I didn't understand Golden's case on LC. Apparently a dozen other people didn't either. I get you think I'm bad. You don't have to be snotty about it. Ask your questions and move on.

Of all the players who played in Blue Velvet, why is INH the most likely curser?

Not just more likely than LC. More likely than all of them to the point where he should be lynch target priority #1.

INH revels in self-incriminating schemes. I just said this.

The literal only thing I can think of that you could possibly be referring to is the Game of Champions where I lied and said I developed a program which could tell me whether or not someone was bad by analyzing their word choice compared to other games. I was an independent role who got more power the more their name was mentioned. This was also like four years ago.

Not really comparable to this.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:17 pm Hopefully people are taking notice of how Jack is on this little crusade to lynch INH voters. Lynch me, lynch Tony, lynch Ricochet. Maybe by then, people will wake up.

Jack still can't explain his theory that one or two of us were trying to save LC, when all Long Con's teammate had to do was vote Dom. I could have easily voted Dom because I voted Dom Day 1. He's going with this because it helps him set the agenda for Day 3. Don't let it happen.

Nice attempt to change the subject.

This is one of the most annoying things in mafia to me.

Someone gets suspected for weak reasons. But, simply due to their name being thrown around, and a large part of the thread detailed to discussing them, they become legitimate targets for the lynch, mostly out of the other players' laziness.

Epi doesn't want to engage, because the more everyone talks about me, the easier it's gonna be to lynch me. It's in his best interest to prolong and prolong as long as humanly possible, and hope that sheer momentum pokes players into not reading the exchanges and instead assume that there's logic-based reasoning there. As long as he makes me into an option, that's one more option that's not him or his teammates.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:22 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:18 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 9:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:57 pm
(Expected response: LC was clearly bad?

Preemptive answer: Yes, which you would know if you'd stop pretending to not understand Golden's case on him. Answer the question.)

And do me a favor- lay off the snotty bullshit please. I didn't understand Golden's case on LC. Apparently a dozen other people didn't either. I get you think I'm bad. You don't have to be snotty about it. Ask your questions and move on.

Of all the players who played in Blue Velvet, why is INH the most likely curser?

Not just more likely than LC. More likely than all of them to the point where he should be lynch target priority #1.

INH revels in self-incriminating schemes. I just said this.

The literal only thing I can think of that you could possibly be referring to is the Game of Champions where I lied and said I developed a program which could tell me whether or not someone was bad by analyzing their word choice compared to other games. I was an independent role who got more power the more their name was mentioned. This was also like four years ago.

Not really comparable to this.

I also recall one I didn't play in which you made a bold, open plan to get everybody a win.

Let's do this: I didn't curse Ricochet, and let's say you didn't. Who do you think did?

That was a weird Llama game with three teams and complicated rules.

Both of these examples are of me utilizing special game mechanics to directly profit. Doesn't really track with the Rico curse.

If we assume it has to be someone from Blue Velvet, I'd say Speed or Wilgy. Possibly Sprit.

The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
by T.S. Eliot

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 1:20 pm I, too, had thought of this and mentioned it wjen I first read of Rico's curse. As soon as I found out about the Poppy thing being linked to a previous game, I knew it had to be someone who played that game to do such a curse. The question is, who all was in blue velvet that is here. Is INH and LC the only two? I never got a response when I brought this up before.

Gah...4 pages to read.... I'll get to some now and more after my workout.

You didn't read my immediate response to Epi's post.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2017 8:48 pm So, you think someone who was in BV must be on the cursing team. LC was in Blue Velvet. So was Speedchuck, Wilgy, Timmer, Sprityo, and of course Ricochet.

Why does it have to be me and not one of the many other people involved in that game?

I've been lowkey suspecting that whoever the Faceless Old Woman is would curse themselves early on in a distinctive way that they can pin on someone else.

It both draws suspicion away from them and places it onto a pre-chosen patsy.

Is it really not conceivable to anyone other myself that someone who wasn't directly linked to one of those games either read the thread or was aware of the gimmicks from both games?

I mean, come on. The people insisting that it HAS to be someone who played both games are more than a little suspicious to me right now.

Think of it like this: Rico's curse on D2 attracted a crazy amount of heat for people involved with Blue Velvet. By intentionally choosing to do the same thing with Dom and Rot3k, they're essentially designing a Venn Diagram of people they want us to look at.

Odds are seeming higher and higher to me that the Faceless Old Woman was involved with one at most of these games, and researched gimmicks players used in games she wasn't in to mislead the town and cause mislynches.

There are two possible motives FOW has for cursing people with old-game-specific posting restrictions: Sheer fuckery, or to mislead the town.

I believe it to be the latter.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:45 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2017 8:36 pm I'm thinking that Rico has something on INH and can't share it because rules if there is anything. Or maybe he has something on Golden and is pairing the two. I haven't been town reading INH, but I think he is right about the curse, it looks like a frame.

This reads like a teammate sort of but not really defending a teammate. You're basically saying that Rico might have info, INH hasn't seemed civvie, but really, this means INH is right and not bad.

Neither you nor INH looks all that good based on this post.

Alternate reading: He knows I'm most likely civilian, and is securing "I-told-you-so" insurance if I'm lynched. These kinds of wishy-washy statements give him rhetorical cover whichever way the wind blows.

Rainbow list incoming.

RAAAAAAAINBOW LIST

INH
Boomslang
JOH
Dom
Sprityo
Timmer
Neverwhere
Wilgy
Lorab
Golden
Speedchuck
TonyStarkPrime
Epignosis
Ricochet
Elochin