The Syndicate

I have an awesome awesome house of players!

I think the first book was my favorite because everything was new and unique. And truth be told I never got around to reading or seeing the last couple of books/films (I know, I should). So now I just have to look up which book was first (its been a long time).

Thanks DH, and I also had no idea what Pottermore was.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:40 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:35 pm I've heard insane things about Ohio U's Halloween.
It's all true. This town prides itself on featuring the highest density of bars-per-square-mile in the nation, and at the epicenter of that tonight will be live music, thousands of devils, harley quinns, and ninja turtles, and roadside puke painting every curb.

That sounds disgusting but have fun. Try not to add to the puke.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:56 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 4:57 pm The story behind my Pottermore patronus is even more personal and sad and happy and cute than the story behind my knowledge of the books lol.
For anyone who wants to cry tonight or who wants a peek behind the Kayfabe of my mafia-persona.

Spoiler: show
For context, a "Patronus" is essentially the embodiment of a happy memory that wizards use to either fight Dementors (who feed off negative energy, fear, sadness, bad memories, etc) or sometimes they can be used to send messages or w/e. They usually take the form of an animal. Anyway...

So a few years (Like 8 or 9) ago I had this dog, some of you might remember from IRC chats or w/e. Fat Beagle that we got literally on a whim outside some gym or family/fitness center where they had a bunch of dogs they were looking to get adopted. This dumbass literally walks right up to me. I walk him up the sidewalk for a bit and then we both get tired and I sit down to pet him but he lays his head on my lap like a jerk. Hoo do I not love this guy and take him home lol.

Anyway he'd sleep with me every night and like, right up on my legs he'd curl up like a puzzle piece and fit right in there. Every night.

Then when he passed 4-5 years ago I got all torn up about it. And I dunno when the Pottermore site added the Patronus thing where you can go on there and answer some questions and it'll show you your Patronus with a little animation and let you play with it and watch it move on the screen or w/e but I remember thinking "You know what fuck it" after seeing everyone posting about it on Twitter so I go and answer the questions and I remember distinctly thinking "If this fucking website tells me my Patronus is a beagle I'm going to cry my face off" and sure enough the site said my Patronus was not just a dog (there were several types of dogs I saw other people have on Twitter so I know its not just "Dog" or "cat" or "bird") but I got a beagle.
Anyway that's why I believe in magic.

I remember that dog DH and how sad it was for you and your family and then for us on IRC when it passed. And how ironic that your patronus was a beagle. Now there is Storm and I hope he is doing well and I'm sure he is loved by the whole family, though I know he can't replace the one thats passed. Good story.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:00 pm Aw DH's story is sad

Anyway y'all are hp noobs lol and juliets is sus for putting ravenclaw in the slytherin color in her sig

lol, I didn't realize there was a color associated with the house. I was just trying to make it a different color than Yunqui -

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:52 pm What's the one in which

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Snape kills Dumbledore?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:31 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:52 pm What's the one in which

Spoiler: show
Snape kills Dumbledore?

Why are you shaking your fist?

because I didn't know!!

but I'm mostly kidding because I can't expect to play a game called Hogwarts and not be spoiled.

And yes I know you put it in spoiler tags - I just automatically clicked on it thinking it wasn't really a spoiler, it was more likely a joke, lol.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:12 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:53 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 10:31 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 9:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 8:52 pm What's the one in which

Spoiler: show
Snape kills Dumbledore?

Why are you shaking your fist?
because I didn't know!!

but I'm mostly kidding because I can't expect to play a game called Hogwarts and not be spoiled.

And yes I know you put it in spoiler tags - I just automatically clicked on it thinking it wasn't really a spoiler, it was more likely a joke, lol.
This is like the internet's ultimate and most widespread meme for obvious spoilers.

So people kind of expect others to have heard the sentence. Apologies.

Oh I'm not mad or even upset! I just couldn't resist yanking Epi's chain, and I really didn't know what happened to Dumbledore. I have avoided info on the last few books thinking I would read them someday. There is absolutely no need for apologies! I laughed when I read it.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:15 pm There's gotta be a statute of limitations on spoilers lol these books are like 20 years old. Juliets were you saving Harry Potter for some special occasion? :o

Yes I was saving the last two books for when I'm old and immobile, which pretty much describes my life right now so I guess I should go ahead and read them!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 4:58 pm @juliets, Epi says you’re not on his team. Whaddya say to that?

Well he's not in my house but otherwise I have no idea if he's civ like me or not.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:24 pm Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

Epi aren't the abilities used at night? We haven't had a game night yet. Or am I missing something (there were A LOT of things to digest in game Set-Up).

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:09 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:24 pm Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

Epi aren't the abilities used at night? We haven't had a game night yet. Or am I missing something (there were A LOT of things to digest in game Set-Up).
Oh, he'll know what I mean.

Turnip Head, other than a Magic 8 Ball response what do you think about this?

OOOps [mention]Turnip Head[/mention] ^ ^ ^

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:53 pm @juliets I bluffed having info in Epi in a recent game and it miraculously worked. I assume karma will eventually catch up to me

Oh well thats interesting. What game was that?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 7:02 pm The one where everyone was insane

Ok thanks TH.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:08 pm So who’s going to ask Glorfindel if he’s bad?

Didn't he ask us not to ask him that in some other game somewhere? I could be misremembering -

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".
This is the post in question:
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:29 pm juliets and I are not teammates.

There. Go. Find bad guys.
so you know you're on different teams
I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird.

I was just looking back over everything Epi said to me and I came to the same conclusion. It seemed like a natural reaction. And I didn't feel Epi was "digging" at me so I'm somewhat confused by Jay on this vote.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:10 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:24 pm Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

Epi aren't the abilities used at night? We haven't had a game night yet. Or am I missing something (there were A LOT of things to digest in game Set-Up).
Hey all! Just want to point out that I find it difficult to believe that juliets was confused by this post. Like, even I can remember that people say shit like this on day 1. Thank you.

If you find this difficult to believe you don't know me very well.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:40 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:25 pm I was just looking back over everything Epi said to me and I came to the same conclusion. It seemed like a natural reaction. And I didn't feel Epi was "digging" at me so I'm somewhat confused by Jay on this vote.
Epignosis said you're not on his team. Regardless of his meaning, that can be perceived as an accusation (Epignosis is a civilian accusing juliets of not being a civilian). Quin seemed to recognize the distinction as intended, but went to Epi is a mafioso and is accusing juliets of being a civilian instead -- or at least that's the implication I draw from the tone of Quin's ponder emoji response. It's silly, almost to the point of saying "Epi slipped", and it looked fake.

Highlighted portion: why?

Because if Quin interpreted Epi's comment as a slip, his question seemed like a natural follow-up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:36 am Lynch me you pussies

Never, unless you convince me you are bad.

I noticed you voted for Turnip Head but I couldn't find your reasoning. Would you share why you voted for him?

I'm at work and physical therapy today so won't be back in the thread until 4 - 4:30. Please alert me if there is something you want me to respond to.

Hi everyone -

Could someone tell me what it is about Long Con that is landing him so many votes? I scanned back through the thread but nothing jumped out at me, but I feel like there must be something big I'm missing.

I tend to believe that Owner did get confused about the Dark Arts and Deathly Hallows. There is a lot of content in the set-up and I know I can't remember it all.

I already mentioned I was civ in the thread in a more normal context but I don't mind saying it again - I am civ or if you prefer, I am town.

I am toying with the idea of voting for Jay for what he said in the post where he voted for Quin. It just seemed to lack normal logic or something and I don't think of that as a civ Jay trait. I'll re-read him when I come back.

Be back later.

good morning everyone -

There's been a lot about Jay posted over the evening/night and after reading it all I'm less inclined to vote for him today. He mentions a "breakdown" and I don't know if that is true but when I couple it with the fact he said supatown Jay is dead it puts me off voting for him. I know from discord how busy he is and how he is immersed in his studies and barely comes up for air. Maybe these things are why he does not appear to be the civ Jay I know. I'm still not wild about his logic for voting Quin but willing to overlook that at this point in the game in the hopes we have a town Jay - maybe not supatown, but at least town.

Glorf I think mentioned Quin as being off (a little disagreeable or something like that) but that has recently been indicative of his town game. Also I think his sense of humor can sometimes be misconstrued (sp?). Someone described his town behavior perfectly in a past game and I'll try and find it.

I don't know at this point who I'll be voting for. I have some analysis to do.

DH, I'm really impressed by your ISO's maybe because when I do them I never seem to be able to find the nuances like you did. I can't say I see everything the same way you do in them but there were several things that caught my attention (I'll get to them later probably).

One thing about me that I'll pass along for your consideration is in another game, Epi suspected me early because I wasn't asking as many questions as I usually do (I was civ). I think the trait is probably NAI. Airheadedness is probably more a civ trait because I can ask air headed questions in BTSC when I'm bad.

Lunchtime and then I have several people I want to look more closely at.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:02 pm
So you are voting DH because he was a civilian in the a completely different game and you suspected him there?
I have my reasons, or it could be DH just reads scummy each game. (that could be a thing; I would need to have played more games with him to test this theory).

But I think he's being different.

So Owner, I am reading through your posts and I didn't see any further explanation but my apologies if you've already answered this. You say:
1. You "have your reasons" - so what are those reasons?
OR
2. DH reads scummy in every game but you haven't played enough games with him to know (I personally don't think he reads scummy here)
OR
3. You think he's being "different". Different from what? The game you played with him where you thought he was scummy but he was civ? What differences do you see and are you talking about differences from Firefly or some other game? If it's another game what game is that?

I know people have already commented about your suspecting DH for his play in another game where you thought he was bad but he was really civ, but I'll just add to the comments anyway: if you have other reasons (item number 1) please state them because the reasons you give here don't make a lot of sense to me. If you've already stated what "my reasons" are just point me to that post.

[mention]Owner of a Lonely Heart[/mention] I should have put this alert in the post I made to you. Please scroll up above Turnips post to read my post. Thanks.

Also lol nutella! I'm not reading him as bad but I love your not-this-time comment.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:41 pm Owner's suspicion of DH reads ingenuine
Her defense of the Deathly Hallows/Dark Arts thing wasn't even needed, but she overexplained it in a way that looked nervous

Are there any other facets to the case there?

I'd like to see what was behind her "I have my reasons" about DH just in case it's something tangible that happened in this game that I overlooked.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:51 pm JJJ, I wouldn't bother. I think they are going to lynch me today regardless of what I say.

Owner, JJJ is not here, but I am trying to get your side of this to be fair. I'm sure it feels like I'm prodding but I'm doing it so that I can make sure I understand where you're coming from.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:00 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:56 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:51 pm JJJ, I wouldn't bother. I think they are going to lynch me today regardless of what I say.
Owner, JJJ is not here, but I am trying to get your side of this to be fair. I'm sure it feels like I'm prodding but I'm doing it so that I can make sure I understand where you're coming from.
JJJ switched his vote though. I would say he was here recently.

Oh! I didn't notice. Thanks for letting me know. I still am hopeful you will respond to me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:12 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:03 pm TH is voting Owner. Owner is not voting TH.

Iiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnteresting
Why should I self-pres? It won't help unless TH is really a baddie. If I have to help myself in order to survive day 1, I'm surely getting lynched in the future. There would be too much wifom/distraction around my existence.
I don't think so, not in this game. Because there are cops and lie detectors and stuff everywhere.

I agree.

I am considering voting Bullzeye because his posts are mostly jokes, about video games, etc. He did have one post that had some content but it was pretty weak. Then he voted without giving much thought to it while it seems like the rest of us seem to be putting a lot of thought into our votes. I think Soneji has a good point about a bad Owner not protecting herself by voting TH. I get her answer post to me in linki so I will read it next.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:22 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:48 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:08 pm So who’s going to ask Glorfindel if he’s bad?
Nobody do that shit. Let the man play the way he wants to play.

This will not appear in this game again.
Nobody is telling Glorfindel how to play.

ColinisAddressing others on how they will address Glorfindel, which is perfectly valid.
Does Epi usually give a summary of what everyone is doing? Or should I suspect that he's just trying to look like he's doing stuff?

My interpretation of what Epi is doing is standing up for what Colin said, pointing out that Colin is not doing what JJJ is accusing him (rather harshly) of.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:28 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:31 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:02 pm
So you are voting DH because he was a civilian in the a completely different game and you suspected him there?
I have my reasons, or it could be DH just reads scummy each game. (that could be a thing; I would need to have played more games with him to test this theory).

But I think he's being different.
So Owner, I am reading through your posts and I didn't see any further explanation but my apologies if you've already answered this. You say:
1. You "have your reasons" - so what are those reasons?
OR
2. DH reads scummy in every game but you haven't played enough games with him to know (I personally don't think he reads scummy here)
OR
3. You think he's being "different". Different from what? The game you played with him where you thought he was scummy but he was civ? What differences do you see and are you talking about differences from Firefly or some other game? If it's another game what game is that?

I know people have already commented about your suspecting DH for his play in another game where you thought he was bad but he was really civ, but I'll just add to the comments anyway: if you have other reasons (item number 1) please state them because the reasons you give here don't make a lot of sense to me. If you've already stated what "my reasons" are just point me to that post.
No one is gonna lynch him today even if I state my reasons, that has become perfectly clear.

This is my 2nd game with DH. Certain behaviors, I'll find scummy most of the time. I'm not sure if they are alignment indicative, but working to figure out what the edges of his meta look like.

He's being different from last game where he was town that game. But not everyone plays the same way game to game. I figuring out how far it stretches.

There are a few instances where DH is approaching the situation as I should know better. As if I someone is silently saying are you really gonna play this way again? Which, I've run into in the past when I have tunneled others, but it's difficult to know if someone is still within a particular meta.

If I'm alive, DH gets a fresh look at tomorrow based on the posts he makes tomorrow.

Thanks Owner of a Lonely Heart I appreciate your responses to my questions.

OH NO! I never even looked at the poll time figuring it ended somewhere around 9 - how did I get that into my head. I'm so pissed, and so sorry Ravenclaw and other players.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:08 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 5:00 pm About how many votes did Owner have at about 3:44pm EST?
I think it was 3.

I would have said 4 but I can't tell exactly when JJJ took his vote off of her. It was somewhere around that time.

RIP Turnip, I'm sorry to see you go so soon.

You are not wrong DH. I want people to talk about what they are thinking when they say things that seem vague to me and I want to understand both sides of the story so I rarely take an accusatory tone. Also it's my nature to ask things politely unless someone has said something hurtful about others.

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DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:00 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 7:52 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:28 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:31 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:02 pm
So you are voting DH because he was a civilian in the a completely different game and you suspected him there?
I have my reasons, or it could be DH just reads scummy each game. (that could be a thing; I would need to have played more games with him to test this theory).

But I think he's being different.
So Owner, I am reading through your posts and I didn't see any further explanation but my apologies if you've already answered this. You say:
1. You "have your reasons" - so what are those reasons?
OR
2. DH reads scummy in every game but you haven't played enough games with him to know (I personally don't think he reads scummy here)
OR
3. You think he's being "different". Different from what? The game you played with him where you thought he was scummy but he was civ? What differences do you see and are you talking about differences from Firefly or some other game? If it's another game what game is that?

I know people have already commented about your suspecting DH for his play in another game where you thought he was bad but he was really civ, but I'll just add to the comments anyway: if you have other reasons (item number 1) please state them because the reasons you give here don't make a lot of sense to me. If you've already stated what "my reasons" are just point me to that post.
No one is gonna lynch him today even if I state my reasons, that has become perfectly clear.

This is my 2nd game with DH. Certain behaviors, I'll find scummy most of the time. I'm not sure if they are alignment indicative, but working to figure out what the edges of his meta look like.

He's being different from last game where he was town that game. But not everyone plays the same way game to game. I figuring out how far it stretches.

There are a few instances where DH is approaching the situation as I should know better. As if I someone is silently saying are you really gonna play this way again? Which, I've run into in the past when I have tunneled others, but it's difficult to know if someone is still within a particular meta.

If I'm alive, DH gets a fresh look at tomorrow based on the posts he makes tomorrow.
OK here it is a page or so later, Mondo Primo Garbo lets lynch Owner tomorrow fam.
Just to keep my Ratio of "Being a Self Important Asshole to Being Legitimately Smart" intact, behold:

Juliets asks Owner some real easy softball questions that are very typical of Juliets, she likes to try and get people to talk through their shit. (Am I wrong, JC?)

Instead of answering even one of those questions here's what we get:

Q: You "have your reasons" - so what are those reasons?
A: No one is gonna lynch him today even if I state my reasons, that has become perfectly clear.
DH: So? Dodging the Question Meta. Juliets asked you why you suspect me, what she didn't say was "Convince everyone in the thread to lynch DH now." Saying "I have my reasons" is intentionally vague and dangerously so.

Q: You think he's being "different". Different from what? The game you played with him where you thought he was scummy but he was civ? What differences do you see and are you talking about differences from Firefly or some other game? If it's another game what game is that?
A: He's being different from last game where he was town that game. But not everyone plays the same way game to game. I figuring out how far it stretches.
DH: Different how? Like a clown? Different like a clown, like I'm here to amuse you? It's my job to amuse you? Juliets doesn't care here *if* you think I'm acting "Different", the meat on this question is "How is he acting different and why is that significant" Two questions you dodged. Neo out here.

I don't even understand this last bit

There are a few instances where DH is approaching the situation as I should know better. As if I someone is silently saying are you really gonna play this way again? Which, I've run into in the past when I have tunneled others, but it's difficult to know if someone is still within a particular meta.
1. What instances
2. Better than what
3. Who would fuckin' dare tell me how to play mafia
4. Meta is trash please recycle.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:47 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 10:38 pm
Where was my vote before TH when you observed a change in my vote?
Quin, I think. I just remember you being the 4th one in the list and tying up the votes at 4.
I was the 2nd vote for TH, and at the time I don’t believe you had more than one vote.

I wasn’t around, and you made it look as though I’d dropped in to try to save you. I believe @juliets at least was fooled by that portrayal. And if you’re a mafioso, in this effort you have attempted to glue me to you, as your “partner” (in the eyes of any clueless civilians trying to interpret events) who wanted TH lynched merely to keep you alive. It’s entirely false.

I am not pleased.

Sad but true, I was indeed fooled.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:13 am Phones are an asspain. I am browsing ISOs, and I will just state emerging gut reads:

Colin - good
DH - good
INH - bad
Kyle - good

Bullzeye - bad
Epignosis - good
Glorfindel - good
Owner - good
poutanko - good
Soneji - good

juliets - bad
Long Con - good
Lunalee - good
Mac - good
nutella - good
Quin - good

Jack - bad
lap - bad
nova - good
speed - good
timmer - bad
karavalenge - bad

Request expansion as you so desire. I should be able to get to it at some point. Chuckles for Slytherin

JJJ can you explain why you are seeing me as bad?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:40 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 12:31 am
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:52 pm Okay, so reading owner's iso, I'd say he really and oddly blindered onto DH very early, and for what seems like entirely prev-game reasons. This allows him to talk a lot about suspicions towards sh, but without having to defend anything he says because, hey, is based on last game. And when pressed about it, he just versions of iunno I just feel it...

This can be a baddie move, but it can also just be blindering which ive done in the past. Those who know owner well, do you get any kind of alignment read from this angle?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:59 pm Don't really have time to catch up before the lynch, but I can see from the Who Posted list that Nova still hasn't checked in so I will vote there today.

[VOTE: novaselinenever] aubergine
These are my least favorite posts in the thread, for unrelated reasons.

Timmer’s is a typical hedge, complete with all of adverbs and the disclaimer to render the product a cringe.

Bullzeye’s vote is just ugly under the circumstances. Evasion of prevailing discussions in favor of a whatever vote on a no-show is a bad look.
The timmer thing is pretty hedgey... complete with the "I'm seeking greater understanding" at the end.

I really can't blame bullzeye for going for a non-poster because we lost Mega Man because of absent players (no it totally wasn't because I was fooling around it was absent players)... I think your analysis of "ugly under the circumstances" is excessive. Why were these circumstances particularly ugly-inducing? It's not the greatest reason for a Day 1 vote, but it's not totally unusual.

Although there were some bullzeye suspicions earlier that I didn't disagree with. I forget what they were right now, but that's because I'm having some drinks.

I was going to vote for Bullzeye because his posts were few, jokey and/or lacking content. Most of us were putting a lot of thought into our vote and he just breezed by with a look at the poll and a vote. These things made me think "bad".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 10:05 am
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:10 amJJJ can you explain why you are seeing me as bad?
There are a collection of small issues that I take with your posts which add up to that judgment. Your handling of me has been questionable — early in Day 1 when I was giving Quin hell for no reason (a strategic approach I’ve employed for years which still somehow seems misunderstood), you stood in his defense for what I perceive to be a poor reason that is suggestive of TMI. You have either faintly or overtly contributed to the negative thread climate surrounding me in this game, but only as a commentator and never with action. I am concerned that you were positioning yourself in your dealings with me instead of acting upon a read you really believed in. Grabbing example posts is difficult on mobile, maybe later.

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Jay is this the post you are talking about re: Quin? You think that me thinking his question was a natural follow-up was a poor reason? I don't understand that at all. And what TMI are you talking about? Please point that out in my post.

As to me contributing to the negative thread climate about you, did you miss this post?

Spoiler: show

How is that in the least bit negative? I posted it after reviewing what you and others said as of the end of the first day of the phase.

If you have other example posts please refer me to them.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 2:09 pm I didn't have time to read anything at all yesterday but remembered that the poll would end pretty early for me so wanted to make sure I had a vote. In lieu of catching up I just voted for a no-show. Didn't realise that was suddenly an unforgivable sin in some people's eyes.

Bullz, beyond your vote I found your posts in the Day phase to be jokey and talk more about Potter lore and video games than actual content while most of the rest of us were trying to assess people and come to some conclusions. As you look back over those posts do you see what I mean? If so could you speak to that issue?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:21 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:27 pm Jay is this the post you are talking about re: Quin? You think that me thinking his question was a natural follow-up was a poor reason? I don't understand that at all. And what TMI are you talking about? Please point that out in my post.
I attacked Quin, because attacking Quin is a nice way to make things happen early in a thread. Quin is responsive, and it is something likely to become A Thing in general thread dialogue -- and from that, a Mafia game may be born. Your response to that is one that bugs me, because your defense of Quin was as empty as my attack. If Quin's accusation really was that of a "slip", then it was quite silly -- you called it "natural", and I find that dubious.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 3:27 pmAs to me contributing to the negative thread climate about you, did you miss this post?

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juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 8:23 am good morning everyone -

There's been a lot about Jay posted over the evening/night and after reading it all I'm less inclined to vote for him today. He mentions a "breakdown" and I don't know if that is true but when I couple it with the fact he said supatown Jay is dead it puts me off voting for him. I know from discord how busy he is and how he is immersed in his studies and barely comes up for air. Maybe these things are why he does not appear to be the civ Jay I know. I'm still not wild about his logic for voting Quin but willing to overlook that at this point in the game in the hopes we have a town Jay - maybe not supatown, but at least town.
How is that in the least bit negative? I posted it after reviewing what you and others said as of the end of the first day of the phase.

I did see it yes, though I admit that I had previously thought it came later in the phase. It was early in the EST morning, so it wasn't as close to the EOD region as I'd thought (when the general climate of suspicion was shifting or had shifted to the TH and Owner split). So that's a bit better than the alternative, as in backing away from suspicion when the climate wasn't ideal for its being pushed. You must understand though that in that post your assessment of me was still negative. I didn't appear to be the civ Jay you know. You weren't wild about my logic. My transgressions had to be overlooked to give me a break. You didn't call for my destruction, but that's not a positive assessment of my play in this game.

Also note that I have highlighted in blue some of the components of your post here. There's a tone of assertiveness and even combativeness that I am simply not used to seeing in juliets posts. I won't pretend that these are hyper-suspicious things, but you are a very difficult player to read. If you're a mafioso, then I believe it's little things like this that will get you caught. You're too careful for big mistakes. So scrutiny is extremely important in your case.

My perspective that you were contributing to the negative climate surrounding me stems from your approach to my treatment of Quin, beyond that discussed in this post. example / [/url=viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1676&p=490899#p490899]example[/url]
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Ok so this is the last thing I'll say about the Quin thing as I think we have beat it to death. He didn't appear to me to be interjecting just for the hell of it - he appeared to be probing Imo. You thought it was obvious he was just interjecting because that was what he was supposed to do and I thought it was obvious that he was probing. I felt like civ Jay would have seen it for what it was - a probe, but instead I saw you making a mountain out of a molehill. I never thought of your comment and vote as a way to get conversation started, I thought you were sincere. I get what you were doing now but only after you explained it to me.

I understand now why you see that positive post as negative. I intended it to be positive to the extent that people would see I bought your explanations and they matched the little bit I know about your life. I should have left off the part about not being wild about your logic and just let that whole thing die because what you said about yourself outweighed the tingle I had regarding the Quin thing. I really meant it to be totally positive so point taken.

I'm unsure about the assertiveness and combativeness you see. I can be assertive and sometimes that surprises people who think I'm always "sweet". I would say I tend to be more assertive with you because you have a strong personality and I feel like I'm going to get mowed down if I don't stand up for myself. I do understand you are looking at small things because sometimes people do find me hard to read in these games so I'll keep that in mind.

tons of linki I'll read after I post

Damn I screwed up the quotes, I'm sorry.

But YAY Nova was bad!!

But damn, speed is a good townie and we lost him early. RIP speed.

Now that you're here Quin I think everyone is off doing trick or treat things.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 7:30 pm Anyway, on juliets:

Tonally, I don't see an alignment. Her politeness is making it hard to tell. One observation I have very little opinion on but I'll post nonetheless:

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:24 pm Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

Epi aren't the abilities used at night? We haven't had a game night yet. Or am I missing something (there were A LOT of things to digest in game Set-Up).

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:41 pm Owner's suspicion of DH reads ingenuine
Her defense of the Deathly Hallows/Dark Arts thing wasn't even needed, but she overexplained it in a way that looked nervous

Are there any other facets to the case there?
I'd like to see what was behind her "I have my reasons" about DH just in case it's something tangible that happened in this game that I overlooked.
juliets made two "what's going on?" posts on Day 1. The second kind of contradicts the first since I'd expect she go through at least the effort to figure out if things can happen on Day 1 and realise that there isn't anything "tangible" out there at this point.

Hey [mention]Quin[/mention] the second post was me talking about the fact that I had asked OoaLH several questions that she hadn't yet answered. One of the things I asked her about was what she meant by "I have my reasons" regarding thinking DH was a baddie. I wasn't saying "whats going on?", I was expressing to speed that I was still waiting for her answers. If I've misunderstood your point just let me know.

good morning all -

[mention]Bullzeye[/mention] I posted a couple of questions for you to answer but maybe you have not been in the thread since. I am considering voting for you so I hope you will have some dialogue with me first regarding those questions. I'm not sure I "alerted" you with a mention in that post so I'm drawing your attention to it here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:39 am The scum are Jay, Long Con, Quin, Glorfindel and Kyle.

You have proven yourself adept at identifying mafia when you're civ so I have to seriously consider what you have to say here. What do you see about LC that says he's bad? I have a hell of a time reading him even tho I've played with him for years. And is there anything you would be willing to share about Quin, Glorf, and Kyle? I don't think I've ever seen a bad Glorf so I'd like to know what you see. Thanks for anything you're willing to share.

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:07 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:40 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 4:33 pm Have a care, my friend! Insulting a player of the calibre of Jay is neither wise nor becoming.

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Psh. JJJ is an expired fad. He was something back in 2015, but has been on the decline for years. He shares his unwanted knowledge from bygone eras of mafia play, back when people played on their iPhone 6. His ego has only increased in the years since he was relevant, as none want to tell him that we've left the old ways. People like you and DDL glorify his name, bowing before the ancient guru as if he weren't a shriveled up stump, vomiting your dignity onto the floor and then splashing around in the puddles.
I have no idea why I just wrote that. I didn't really mean any of it.

Seriously though do something besides sucking up to JJJ or I will find a vig kill or a lynch rope to fit you.
Aaah, Chuckles - old friend! I feel like I’ve just been revived from a generation in cryo-suspension. I don’t understand where this hating on Jay has come from. I seem to remember The Syndicate as a somewhat kinder, gentler place. Now, it seems like aggravation and naked threats are the currency here...

Hi Glorf, good to have you playing. What do you see as "hating on Jay"? Are there specific things you're looking at or are you talking about the general tenor of the thread when Jay had votes on him?

Glorfindel wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:39 am The scum are Jay, Long Con, Quin, Glorfindel and Kyle.
You have proven yourself adept at identifying mafia when you're civ so I have to seriously consider what you have to say here. What do you see about LC that says he's bad? I have a hell of a time reading him even tho I've played with him for years. And is there anything you would be willing to share about Quin, Glorf, and Kyle? I don't think I've ever seen a bad Glorf so I'd like to know what you see. Thanks for anything you're willing to share.
Forgive me but... @juliets: what on earth gave you a crazy idea like that?
[[mention]juliets[/mention] The couple of games I've played with Mac where he was civ he was guns a-blazing picking out mafia. It doesn't mean I automatically buy his picks hook, line and sinker, that's why I asked him for some reasoning on them. It doesn't mean I think you are bad just because he named you.

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