The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:39 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:36 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:22 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:39 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Wait a minute, I remember a game where I was part of a 3 civ group with BTSC that was a LC/BR game - was that World Apart? I can't remember mafia games years after I've played them at all. Anyway, I agree this sounds like a pro-town option so that's where I'm voting.

That was one of the Recruitment games. You me and Epig had civilian btsc and it was awesome, though we lost

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:34 pm Hit the Major Third makes me think of Leonard Cohen's Hallelujah, while Will You Become More makes me want to say "Go Beyond - Pluuuuuus ULTRA!"

I'm not sure either of those are helpful thoughts.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:09 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:09 am mac and quin get it. sloonei's approaching getting it. truthbombers unite.

I am old and unhip and haven't played for a year or so. What does this mean?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:18 am Good news! Votes are indeed changeable, and I put mine on Tranq. Aubergine.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:26 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:24 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:27 am OK....I got wifi on the plane...

Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.

@LC @BR: Is the difference in the map from earlier to current based on a host correction, or based on night 0 activity?

The only difference I noticed was the trees/forest are more pronounced

It looks like theres also a couple of bridges that werent there before.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:15 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:27 am Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.

This aubergine thing sounds silly. Why is there a need to have a vote word?

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:11 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:50 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

So bob, you mention Epi's DDL suspicion and say you are not a fan of sable's responses but then vote Colin. Could you share why you voted him?

Yeah, saw him reading the thread and that he hadn't put a vote down yet. Wanted to see if anything had changed.

Not a fan but it's also hardly damning, and iirc sabie was traveling so not likely to get much right away.

His posting.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:00 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:37 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

As someone who has played several LC/BR games I don't know if I believe that you believe that anything in the game is meaningless.

This is why I voted for Tranq.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:24 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:00 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:37 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

As someone who has played several LC/BR games I don't know if I believe that you believe that anything in the game is meaningless.

This is why I voted for Tranq.

Ah, ok thanks Sloonei.

Do you have an opinion on this?

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:58 pm I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:11 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:05 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:59 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:43 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:30 pm
Hey SVS, I don't know if I've played with you before, but I've seen you around and sort of know about you. My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions. Mac doesn't think so, and therefore thinks I "attacked" nutella for no reason over her (in my opinon) completely invalid Jack suspicion. Does that clear things up for you?

Out of curiosity, what do you sort of know about S~V~S?

So um, speedchuck played game of champions with her last year, before I even joined the site, and he ranted to me about her suspecting him.

Yeah he aggressively defended the guy with the blinking neon "Baddie" sign on his head. Good times.

If people who know you better than I that I feel ok about tell me this is your norm, I am open to moving my vote. Plenty of day one weirdness in this thread lol.

But for now I'm good.

I would like to tell you a list of references who can attest to my civ game, but I get mislynched pretty often, because apparently I don't know how to play like a civ.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:37 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:36 am #StopSuspectingPeopleForThinkingInShadesOfGrey2k19

I can get behind this campaign.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:13 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:34 am Coming from experience, i think sloonei looks town. I drilled a hole into him for his weird wording and actions in megaman, and we were both town. I'm more interested in the fact DDL still isnt the main topic of discussion with 3 votes on him

Wait, I'm not? Could have fooled me.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:30 am What is the case on Jack? I see two votes on him but I don't remember anything that really pinged me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:53 pm Oh I just read some Jack posts that pinged me. There's no actual case there.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:04 am G-Man's not as loosey goosey as I remember

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:12 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:05 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:04 am G-Man's not as loosey goosey as I remember

TH, what does this mean?

Like in Economics when he posted in all pictures. He's a goofy poster. He's more measured here so far.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:12 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:05 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:04 am G-Man's not as loosey goosey as I remember

TH, what does this mean?

Like in Economics when he posted in all pictures. He's a goofy poster. He's more measured here so far.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:40 pm So, rereading Colin's ISO, I'm prob not voting him today. Most of his output seems more flippant than baddie, like he's goofing, and the kicker for me is that he said he wouldn't be around today, and I can't jump on a bandwagon against a guy who won't be here to defend himself. I'm at work, so I'm going to sporadically ISO people as work flow permits.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 12:52 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:23 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:12 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:05 am

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:04 am G-Man's not as loosey goosey as I remember

TH, what does this mean?

Like in Economics when he posted in all pictures. He's a goofy poster. He's more measured here so far.

Oh, ok - I don't remember playing Economics (I think I sat that one out) so I didn't realize that was a thing.

Economics was my first game on the Syndicate and having a guy post in all pictures for no reason was hilarious and charming and made me want to stay.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 1:06 pm [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:41 pm Really feeling a Colin vote right now. Mostly for the way he hopped on DDL so early.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:46 pm I have no idea whether or not DrWilgy is a doctor and this is a serious concern.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:33 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:31 pm I'm confused about the bloodthirsty comment. @sig were you saying that about S~V~S or Luna?

@DharmaHelper, I'd really like to hear about your cbob suspicion.

I'm quoting Juliets but addressing both Juliets and Sloonei

I sorta covered it in my ISO of Cbob but his Colin vote is sketchy and I don't like his sort of pokey/proding posts RE: Sabie and some others.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:17 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:40 pm Anyway I've ranked the people who have currently voted from most to least suspicious as of me typing this post without being linkied into any other votes:


Cbob - "His posting" is a funny but ultimately hollow and wormy way to explain the Colin vote
Chuck - Did not give a reason for his DDL vote which IIRC came close to if not directly after Epi said he'd be voting DDL. Chuck pulling up to the train station early AF to save himself a seat.
Sloonei - Voting for anyone based on other people's reasons for suspecting people is suspicious to me. Make your own points. Stand on your own ground.
TH - Early vote for Sorsha for a hollow, funny reason. Doesn't look serious. Sorsha's not done anything overtly suspicious. Could be buddying/distancing but not worth losing my shit over instantly.
Epi - His DDL vote makes sense, he gave a good reason and was consistent.

There's something specific that led to my vote but I don't want to share yet because I'd rather see how he handles the pressure

So far: not great, bob

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:55 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I didn’t say what I voted for but it was the Become More, sorry.

I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.

This was the main ping. Up to this point he had asked a mechanics question and said he voted for the N0 poll randomly. His first engagement with the actual game was to say he liked Epi's post on DDL, with no elaboration or follow up. Since I was going to be out of pocket all day, I figured I would rather have my vote out there and doing something than locked up tight and useless, so I voted. I didn't want to say my reason, because it gives him an easy out if he's mafia to make the suspicion go away. I wanted to see a response not based on my suspicion, and sure enough I got it. Not giving a reason also sort of forces people who jump on the wagon to supply their own reasoning, rather than just saying "yep I agree." D1 I think that's particularly valuable.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:52 pm Wilgy’s most serious contribution was to throw baseless shade at SVS for the Day 0 poll chatter. I can’t do much with his posts, but I’ve seen quiet wilgy = bad wilgy in the past.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:09 pm So Sloonei, I just feel like you aren't sticking to your thoughts, and swerving as the mood of the thread changes.

Yes, you have mentioned suspicions of players like luna, and sig. None of your votes or posts have come out of the blue.

But after Wilgy was mentioned you were like "yeah, if I had to vote a low poster I could vote Wilgy"

but then sig happened and you were all hey, sig is suspicious.

But then enrique self-voted and you started feeling out how people who react to an enrique vote.

But then you mentioned quite clearly that even in the face of sig getting lislynched a lot, you were on him.

but then you voted Epig.

And then you just dropped sig because people weren't following you and tried to start colin back up.

and then you voted LUNA.

Like dude, you are all over the place. And why aren't you sticking to your guns? If Sig is your #1, why not leave your vote there?

Why does it seem like you NEED to be on the lynch? Your posts today are leaving me dizzy.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:34 am Coming from experience, i think sloonei looks town. I drilled a hole into him for his weird wording and actions in megaman, and we were both town. I'm more interested in the fact DDL still isnt the main topic of discussion with 3 votes on him

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:19 pm Keep an eye on the folks who darted in here early and, in light of the D0 poll result, pooh-poohed ties on the lynch poll. It’s a subtle way to establish a preemptive cop-out for either train-hopping later (to show they stick to their convictions) or blame-shifting to set up fall guys who tie polls that result in mislynches.

Close lynches and ties (whether mid-phase or at EOD) are valuable sources of information. Granted, that information is best in hindsight after the herd has thinned some.

We may not know who is on the Tribunal but we’re starting out with more civs than baddies (unless this game is extra-double whacky) and there are also two baddie factions, so the odds are against Tribunal being filled with one baddie team.

This post is an amazing piece of wisdom and logic that doesn't acrually do any scumhuting.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 5:32 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:39 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:25 pm To me the only reason a person would vote to tie a lynch that they weren't in danger in is because they are on the tribunal or know who is and they want to save the person that is in the lead during the un-tied period.

Significantly more plausible baddie motives RE: Ties.

Knowing more than meets the eye is far from the only reason that ties happen. At EOD it does look suspicious but it happens many times during the day phase as well. Some people have hunches about and reads on people that lead them to tie up the poll. Poll momentum shifts as the day progresses as well. Your post is very short-sighted, reactive, and dismissive. Anyone else posting it and I’d be somewhat suspicious. But you’re you, so I don’t know if the needle moves much.

The wisdom continues. G-Man knows how to play mafia.

I am hyped to see him actually playing.

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:44 pm Does anyone recall any games, recent or past, in which juliets was bad?

If it helps, here are are HOF stats:

juliets
15 Wins
11 as a civ
1 as a baddie
3 as an indy

I think if she was bad, I think I would see it. I don't recall the game, she or Tranq might, but I think it must have been an LC/BR game since she was our bad teammate and that's mostly all Tranq plays, and she was a nervous wreck, and it showed in the thread.

I am not seeing it, but I am not infallible.

Thanks. Do you know roughly how long ago this was? @@juliets, do you remember any other games where you were bad?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 11:40 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 8:03 am Good morning everyone, we play at last! sabie12 so glad to have you back with us. And so glad to have you guys I've played mafia with for the most years - Tranq, S~V~S, Lorab and Sorsha. Hope I didn't miss anyone.

I also have no idea what the poll means so I'm going to wait to vote in it until there is some more discussion around it. Also, I will be at work today from 8:30 until this afternoon without access to the thread so I'm sure I'll come home to an explosion! Ok, so later.

The hardest part of trying to construct a case against juliets is that she's the human embodiment of warmth and kindness. Lose all emotional affect.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 4:22 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:39 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Wait a minute, I remember a game where I was part of a 3 civ group with BTSC that was a LC/BR game - was that World Apart? I can't remember mafia games years after I've played them at all. Anyway, I agree this sounds like a pro-town option so that's where I'm voting.

Similar to sig, this post has a "How do you do, fellow town?" vibe. She makes a deliberate point to frame her chosen option as pro-town before casting the vote. I'm skeptical.

I don't know what you mean by me making a deliberate point to frame my chosen option as pro town. The memory of being in a three way civ btsc was just that - there was no other point there. I remembered it, I said it. Note that I start the second with the word "Anyway" - that meant "back to the topic" or "putting all that aside" and then "I agree it sounds pro-town". It sounded pro-town because of TH's association with a prior civ faction in a past LC-BR game. Made perfect sense to me as soon as I read it. If you still have questions about this please ask, I could have missed your point completely.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:18 am Good news! Votes are indeed changeable, and I put mine on Tranq. Aubergine.

Sloonei, sorry if I missed your reasoning but what did you see about Tranq that made you put a vote on him?

Her first game-relevant action is to ask me about my Tranq vote. I don't know what she did with this question.

Your first answer iirc was you put a vote on Tranq just to spur discussion. That to me meant you didn't see anything that warranted a vote so there was nothing that I might have missed about Tranq's behavior from your vantage point. I almost always ask why someone voted if they don't give a reason, I am suspect when people don't give one, though I have to remember that it may just be a pressure vote or a stir conversation vote. Usually that comes out at some later time though. Note it turned out your answer here was not your final answer as I remember it.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:50 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 12:25 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:48 am Hmm good, we've started actually playing.

Epi, you still feeling DDL?

SVS could be obliquely defending sabie or poking Sloonei. Not a big fan of sabie's response.

Jackofhearts2005 want to trust team? Coming back to a 30 player fancy game is intimidating and I need to find a handhold somewhere.

Update: I no longer want to trust team you.

Looks like a lot of people busy this weekend... including me (as I will be away most of today).

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

So bob, you mention Epi's DDL suspicion and say you are not a fan of sable's responses but then vote Colin. Could you share why you voted him?

Similar question for cbob. In both cases her response was simply to say "thanks." You're welcome.

I initially thought his response was odd but I held that to myself. Then, he later said he had a reason for the vote but didn't want to share it yet until he saw Colin's response. Later in the game I asked him to share his real reason since Colin wasn't around to be pressured and he did. At that point I understood his answer and decided I didn't see him as suspicious. (He also taught me something about mafia I had never thought about in his post and that is if you don't give a reason if forces others to give their own reason if they bandwagon on.)

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:24 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:00 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:37 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

As someone who has played several LC/BR games I don't know if I believe that you believe that anything in the game is meaningless.

This is why I voted for Tranq.

Ah, ok thanks Sloonei.

Do you have an opinion on this?

I can't remember the sequence of events perfectly but I think this was the real answer to the question I had asked earlier about voting for Tranq and isn't this when I decided to ask Tranq directly about this issue? He replied and I believed him because I went and looked up the truthfulness of what he was saying. As for your answer, I believe thought it was ok at that time. The reasoning was something I could understand. If your answer came after Tranq's explanation then I was remiss in not asking you what you thought about his explanation.

After thinking about it, I don't understand why Tranq said that after having played Long Rock games in the past, so maybe I should just ask him: @Tranq what made you say this after having played their games in the past where the polls - especially the first poll - were meaningful?

Also though, I'm less inclined to vote on day 1 one of the people who has been gone for years from our site. I'm not saying I won't vote for one but the evidence would have to be strong.

lots of linki which I will read after posting

Past-Sloonei was on the ball, though, and didn't let her off the hook that easy. She responded by essentially parroting the concern and then asking Tranq to explain his post, but then expressed hesitation about voting for players in Tranq's situation. In other words, she doesn't do much.

Ok here's the quote I was just talking about. I disagree that I didn't do much. I waited for his answer, double checked it, and decided he was telling the truth. I expressed in the thread that I believed him and why. Also, as a matter of personal policy I try not to vote for brand new people or people that have returned from a long absence on Day 1. Day 1 only though.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:14 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 2:58 pm I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

huh, you're right. I went back and looked at the game and indeed the poll options were just music genres but the poll outcome was those that those who voted one of the options got taken off the day 1 poll. So, I see what you mean about the difference between options and polls so this explanation rings true to me. Thanks for explaining.

Accepts Tranq's response without criticism.

Yes, what criticism did you expect me to make? I double checked what Tranq said by going back and looking at the game and found he was correct. His explanation to me was believable. If it wasn't believable to you why didn't you say something?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 10:14 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:11 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:05 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:59 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:43 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:30 pm
Hey SVS, I don't know if I've played with you before, but I've seen you around and sort of know about you. My valid suspicion of Colin shows that day one can contain valid suspicions. Mac doesn't think so, and therefore thinks I "attacked" nutella for no reason over her (in my opinon) completely invalid Jack suspicion. Does that clear things up for you?

Out of curiosity, what do you sort of know about S~V~S?

So um, speedchuck played game of champions with her last year, before I even joined the site, and he ranted to me about her suspecting him.

Yeah he aggressively defended the guy with the blinking neon "Baddie" sign on his head. Good times.

If people who know you better than I that I feel ok about tell me this is your norm, I am open to moving my vote. Plenty of day one weirdness in this thread lol.

But for now I'm good.

I would like to tell you a list of references who can attest to my civ game, but I get mislynched pretty often, because apparently I don't know how to play like a civ.

Luna does seem to get mislynched but I think it's because we don't know how to read her more than it is she doesn't know how to play like a civ. I thought her question to nutella was good, I also wondered if she was voting based on Hogwarts or something she has seen this game.

Vaguely vouches for luna while just-as-vaguely criticizing nutella, but I don't actually see a read on either player in this game right now. Not ideal.

That's not a vague vouch. That's me telling S~V~S my opinion that Luna gets mislynched often - my mind was on Hogwarts - more because we don't understand her game than because she's not a good civ. That's not the same as me saying "I think Luna is good this game". Luna had said it was because she didn't know how to play as a civ and I thought that was a harsh self-assessment. My feelings about Luna vacillated during the day yesterday. I also said what I said about nutella because I had asked nut in the thread about her Jack vote, not because I was criticizing her. I didn't know the reason for her vote yet, how could I criticize a reason I didn't have? My read on nutella at this point is civ.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:45 am I appreciate Epi's pointing out some oddities in Sloonei's posts because Sloonei is a tough nut to crack for me. He had me completely snowed in a game I played with him earlier this year where he was bad. But I agree with Sloonei's point that he doesn't think this is a sincere case. I think it's a bold move to enhance conversation.

Juliets is mostly just posting to express agreement with things. Is this normal for her?

I express both agreement and disagreement, and maybe I do express agreement more often. I've never taken notice but I'm somewhat conflict averse as a person so it's certainly possible.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:55 am Something is bothering me about G-Man but I can't put my finger on it. I was not a fan of his post calling DH short sighted and dismissive. Maybe it's just the tone which isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Anyway, I agree with DDL, I'd like to see more from G-Man today.

This is one of my Red Flag statements. I always perk up when I see someone thrust such a vague suspicion on a person. Qualify that junk! Otherwise it can just be read as phony bandwagoning. Not a good look for juliets.

Is it no longer ok to express gut feels? I qualified it as much as I could by saying I didn't like his calling out DH. Not expressing gut reads will hamper me in this game because sometimes I am unable to pin down an exact reason I feel uncomfortable with someone.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:39 am Ok, I found this quote from Mac:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 6:53 pm Oh I just read some Jack posts that pinged me. There's no actual case there.

Mac, would you share what posts pinged you?

Puts her attention on the Jack case, but... I don't see her actually doing much here.

I couldn't see anything wrong with Jack which is why I was asking nutella and Mac for their reads. I don't remember Mac answering though I could have missed it. I couldn't really do anything with the information because I didn't have the information.

There's a lot of the same for a while, then this:

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:32 pm I have to leave for awhile, I was hoping sig would post his walk-through before I had to go. For now, I'm going to vote for Wilgy.

@DrWilgy if you come online would please explain your vote for c-bob and tell us a little bit about your reads or suspicions or anything game related except mechanics?

I will be back after I have done my physical therapy. I will not, btw, be here for EOD. Way past my bedtime.

Yuck. Taken with the rest of Juliets' ISO, this vote is supremely weak. I can't identify a single read juliets has made this game, and her vote is on the established lazy low-poster option. Not good.

I'm sorry you didn't like my vote but I didn't like Wilgy's behavior on day 1 so I voted for him. Maybe you haven't been in some of these games where we were burned by low-lying baddies. It's now one of the things I really look out for. I called out INH in Hogwarts for it and he slammed me but guess what - he was bad.

And then there's a couple more posts where she reacts to other people saying things without taking a stance. I have a definitive beef here. Juliets has spent most of the day agreeing with people and asking straightforward questions. I do not see a single read on a player anywhere in these posts, and I see no evidence that she's actively working with the information gained from any of the questions she's asked. I could get behind a juliets case.

@juliets, what are your reads on nutella and luna?

As I said earlier, my feelings about luna have vacillated during day 1 but if we are playing GTH - which by the way, is all about the gut - I would say civ. And I think I said above I see nutella as good.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:55 pm Juliets I ain't reading dat