The Syndicate

Good morning everyone!

ok so we are starting the voting already - [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] why Jack?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 7:46 pm Hmm what do you mean by "we are starting the voting already"? It's never too early to vote

So first, I didn't even see that post about burning your work until I looked at Jack's ISO so I get it now.

Yes I know that is the prevailing mafia philosophy these days, I just can't usually find a reason to vote people so early. I'm trying to adapt though.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:51 pm That's fair. If you had to comment on each player's entrance, what would your thoughts be?

I can't really make a good read off of one post but I didn't see anything I really didn't like or thought was off, though there were some I didn't understand. I'll go one by one though:

nova - your post "hello" looked fine to me though I would expect someone to bring up the emoji scum tell.
Mac - I don't know what "I'm ready to fudge" means but I figure its probably just some Aussie slang for "ready to go".
leetic - his post made me smile, I'm glad the depression is better. No problems with his entrance.
Jack - pictures of Wednesday with instruments of death. Not sure what this means other than maybe role hinting. Maybe he just means let's get us a baddie. Did not make me suspicious of him.
sable - looked like typical sable to me, so looked fine.
speedchuck - "nova is scum" too early for me to believe this is real but seems in line with the way we play these days and your GTH pre-entrance thing which I kind of got a kick out of.
DDL - talked of drinking the potion and liked the story. Didn't see anything wrong with this post either.
Luna - just got here, read nothing yet. It was typical Luna and I didn't see a problem.

So, not much there in the first posts for me - what about you? What did you think of the first posts.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:19 pm Juliets is looking good... too good. I'm suspicious.

That seems to be the story of my mafia life in day 1. I'm good though.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] do you have any thoughts on anyone yet?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:55 pm What is your take on the emoji scum tell?

I don't think its always a scum tell. I think it's used just as often by civs. I don't have any data to prove that though, it's just my general observation.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:59 am Whomp whomp.

I'm actually not that inclined to vote for Nova today. I like him being firey. It's helped the town when he's town. If he's not? Let's see if he hangs himself with it.

I like Luna's tone. Obligatory "I suck at reading Luna."

Why don't I [VOTE: Mac] aubergine.

Jack as far as I can see this is Mac's only post:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:24 pm Hey fellas I'm ready to fudge

What about this hits you hard enough to vote for him?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:34 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:51 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:59 am Whomp whomp.

I'm actually not that inclined to vote for Nova today. I like him being firey. It's helped the town when he's town. If he's not? Let's see if he hangs himself with it.

I like Luna's tone. Obligatory "I suck at reading Luna."

Why don't I [VOTE: Mac] aubergine.

Jack as far as I can see this is Mac's only post:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2019 10:24 pm Hey fellas I'm ready to fudge

What about this hits you hard enough to vote for him?

You’re coming at that from the wrong angle.

I don't understand - what's the right angle?

linkis

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:35 pm What is the right angle?

It’s rvs and Mac’s a big boy that doesn’t need your help.

You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?

I didn't scum read Mac.

Ok Jack I get it, thank you.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:24 pm But that would leave Leetic out

Wait, what does this mean? How does leetic figure into this?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:37 pm you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine

Luna, this isn't very convincing and maybe you didn't mean it to be but would you at least share what specifically you see about Jack that disturbs you?

[mention]sabie12[/mention] hi, I hope you can post today, I would like to know your thoughts. Come join the fun.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:37 am Leetic and speedchuck bad

Why is Speedchuck bad?

I second this question.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:25 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:12 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:37 am Leetic and speedchuck bad

Why is Speedchuck bad?

I second this question.

Just a feeling

Ok thanks Mac.

I have to go to work now so I'm going to have to narrow down who I want to vote for this afternoon when I get home. I have a few people in mind I won't vote for but no one that I'm convinced should get my vote - yet. See you guys later.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:59 pm DDL - bad
JoH - playing inconsistently inconsistent, reminds me of don't-care-me from that other game I was in. But I was scum that game. Maybe scum.
juli - good
leet - good
Luna - Maybe scum.
Mac - missing
nova - good
sabie - bad
speed - good

POE: Sabie, DDL, JoH, Luna, Mac

If we lynch scum once early on, we'll end up having four lynches. I only need to remove one person from this POE.

speed I can understand your ratings except for sable and Mac. Are you reading sable bad because she hasn't been around or is there something about one of her two posts that makes you suspect her? Mac seems like the same Mac I saw in Always Sunny in the beginning. I'm not saying that must mean he's good but I haven't seen anything from him that says "bad".

Also, I have a splitting headache for some reason so I'll be back after I take something and lay down for a bit.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:40 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:31 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:59 pm DDL - bad
JoH - playing inconsistently inconsistent, reminds me of don't-care-me from that other game I was in. But I was scum that game. Maybe scum.
juli - good
leet - good
Luna - Maybe scum.
Mac - missing
nova - good
sabie - bad
speed - good

POE: Sabie, DDL, JoH, Luna, Mac

If we lynch scum once early on, we'll end up having four lynches. I only need to remove one person from this POE.

speed I can understand your ratings except for sable and Mac. Are you reading sable bad because she hasn't been around or is there something about one of her two posts that makes you suspect her? Mac seems like the same Mac I saw in Always Sunny in the beginning. I'm not saying that must mean he's good but I haven't seen anything from him that says "bad".

Also, I have a splitting headache for some reason so I'll be back after I take something and lay down for a bit.

Same here on the headache, but I'm pretty sure it's the wisdom tooth.

I read Sabie bad because her only contribution, as I can tell, was an unprompted nothingburger of pseudo-reads.
I didn't read Mac as bad though. Why did you assume I read Mac bad?

Why indeed. I'm going to blame the headache which is now gone. I mean you clearly say "missing" not "bad". Sorry about that and thanks for explaining the sable read.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:55 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:40 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:59 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:27 am Considering voting Jack here for the "Actually" tell.

Did you have something to say about that?

Tell me about this tell. It seems pretty random. Like the "interesting" tell that got pinned on myself onetime when I was town.

Disclaimer: I have never heard of the "Actually" tell. I made it up. That said, let's take a look.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?

What is the purpose of this word in the sentence? Without 'actually' in there, the sentence reads:
"You or Juliets think I scumread Mac from one post?" which is a question.

Putting in "actually" turns this question into an attack on their alignment or reasoning, one of the two. It insinuates that either DDL/Juliets don't believe what they are saying (therefore scum)... or they do, and that it's ridiculous. Painting their inquiry as scummy or ridiculous is an aggressive, defensive measure that pushes them to back off and shuts down the line of inquiry without actually answering their query.

In short, it's an unnecessary word that comes from a possibly-bad and blustery perspective. I see this post and hear a ten-year-old Overwatch player yelling into the microphone "You actually think this is my main account? You're seriously stupid if you think this Silver account is my main account. I'm actually ranked Diamond."

Epi famously says the use of adverbs is a scum tell (which has proved true in some cases) but I think this ievel of detail is much more convincing.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:10 am

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:10 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:37 pm you know what, I don't mind the Jack lynch.

[VOTE: JackofAsses2005] aubergine

Luna, this isn't very convincing and maybe you didn't mean it to be but would you at least share what specifically you see about Jack that disturbs you?

I realize this is problematic if Luna is scum and it doesn’t do anything to make people think I’m town but whatever. Luna does tend to scumread me when we are both town for gut reasons. I don’t have a problem with her vote beyond it making me more likely to be lynched.

Jack, why did you answer this instead of letting Luna answer it? If Luna is bad it gives her an out to say "just a gut reason". She replied later in detail and didn't use the "gut" answer that you gave her here (thank you Luna for your reply) but it still looks funny to me that you spoke up to try and tell me what she was thinking.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:37 am

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:24 pm Hot take,

DDL and Jack are bad together.

Oh shit it’s SHP all over again. Better bus DDL.

But seriously this post below? It comes from a wolf.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:54 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:47 pm What is rvs?

Random voting stage.

Random voting, semi random voting, joke voting, reaction voting and following the most minor suspicions until these things generate enough content to actually do real hunting.

Eh no I hate this argument.

Yeah I know rvs is a thing, despite not knowing the term before.

Votes are never truly random though, we always make them for a reason, however shallow it may be.

You gave no reason, and when I asked for one, you replied with the old "day 1 is useless why are you asking me to do work" rethoric.

If you just made a joke vote and explained it, or if you made a vote for a shallow reason, it would be fine, but it feels like you are going out of your way to be obstructive. This isn't civilian logic.

Leetic is right. This is a bad reason to vote that is typical of wolves.

Townies do vote players they don’t actually suspect in rvs. Townies don’t vote players with intent to lynch for doing so. I’ve never seen DDL hate on early semirandom voting with this kind of certainty before. He’s faking, here.

Ftr, my vote on Mac was not random but also I didn’t scumread him. Out of the players who had posted at the time, I had (however flimsy) some reason to townread most of them but no reason to townread Mac. So I voted there to see what would happen and what happened was DDL got caught being scummy.

I never said D1 was useless.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

I think you and leetic have a good point in that I don't remember DDL having a problem with random voting before. I think I'll look back and see if I can find a game where he voiced this same kind of thinking.

Besides the point above about DDL not liking the random voting, what is the rest of the case?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:55 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:40 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:59 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:27 am Considering voting Jack here for the "Actually" tell.

Did you have something to say about that?

Tell me about this tell. It seems pretty random. Like the "interesting" tell that got pinned on myself onetime when I was town.

Disclaimer: I have never heard of the "Actually" tell. I made it up. That said, let's take a look.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?

What is the purpose of this word in the sentence? Without 'actually' in there, the sentence reads:
"You or Juliets think I scumread Mac from one post?" which is a question.

Putting in "actually" turns this question into an attack on their alignment or reasoning, one of the two. It insinuates that either DDL/Juliets don't believe what they are saying (therefore scum)... or they do, and that it's ridiculous. Painting their inquiry as scummy or ridiculous is an aggressive, defensive measure that pushes them to back off and shuts down the line of inquiry without actually answering their query.

In short, it's an unnecessary word that comes from a possibly-bad and blustery perspective. I see this post and hear a ten-year-old Overwatch player yelling into the microphone "You actually think this is my main account? You're seriously stupid if you think this Silver account is my main account. I'm actually ranked Diamond."

Epi famously says the use of adverbs is a scum tell (which has proved true in some cases) but I think this ievel of detail is much more convincing.

It is? Tell me about that.

The fact that usually an adverb is an unnecessary word in a post has been voiced before but I've never seen the argument extended to say it changed the meaning of the sentence. In this case it did Imo turn the sentence into an accusation and seemed blustery.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:20 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:23 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:55 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:40 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:37 am

Did you have something to say about that?

Tell me about this tell. It seems pretty random. Like the "interesting" tell that got pinned on myself onetime when I was town.

Disclaimer: I have never heard of the "Actually" tell. I made it up. That said, let's take a look.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?

What is the purpose of this word in the sentence? Without 'actually' in there, the sentence reads:
"You or Juliets think I scumread Mac from one post?" which is a question.

Putting in "actually" turns this question into an attack on their alignment or reasoning, one of the two. It insinuates that either DDL/Juliets don't believe what they are saying (therefore scum)... or they do, and that it's ridiculous. Painting their inquiry as scummy or ridiculous is an aggressive, defensive measure that pushes them to back off and shuts down the line of inquiry without actually answering their query.

In short, it's an unnecessary word that comes from a possibly-bad and blustery perspective. I see this post and hear a ten-year-old Overwatch player yelling into the microphone "You actually think this is my main account? You're seriously stupid if you think this Silver account is my main account. I'm actually ranked Diamond."

Epi famously says the use of adverbs is a scum tell (which has proved true in some cases) but I think this ievel of detail is much more convincing.

It is? Tell me about that.

The fact that usually an adverb is an unnecessary word in a post has been voiced before but I've never seen the argument extended to say it changed the meaning of the sentence. In this case it did Imo turn the sentence into an accusation and seemed blustery.

You feel that I accused you and DDL in a blustery way?

It's like the example speed used - "actually" turns the sentence into "You actually believe that?" with the emphasis on the actually, Blustery is the word speed uses, I could also say incredulous in an accusing way if it makes it any clearer.

It's late I've got to vote. I'm voting [VOTE: Jack] aubergine and will be around from now until EOD in case new information comes in.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:18 pm It's late I've got to vote. I'm voting [VOTE: Jack] aubergine and will be around from now until EOD in case new information comes in.

Why Jack over DDL?

More gut than anything else. I don't understand what his point was in that prolonged back and forth with me that ended with him saying:

1) He has a hard time with the notion he had accused me in an incredulous way but turned right around and said
2) He has a problem with anyone thinking he accused Mac of being scum, in other words he was incredulous

So what was the point of all that? It just tied me up unnecessarily.

I'm open to another vote. What do you see that made you vote DDL?

Also, can anyone tell me another recent game where DDL played? I'm looking for some reaction to random voting. I've looked at UPick but don't see random voting going on in the beginning.

I got it from this post. Am I misunderstanding something?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:44 pm I’m seriously having a hard time with the idea that I’ve “accused” Juliets in a “blustery” or “incredulous” way.

I do agree with one thing in Speedchuck’s literary analysis, the implication that I have a problem with the idea that people actually think I scumread Mac when I said no such thing.

I have more problem with DDL basically declaring rvs votes without strong reasoning are scummy (I don’t think I’ve ever seen him go after say Mac on D1 and Mac explains maybe half his D1 votes) than I do with Juliets awkwardly sheeping a grammatical read.

Ok thanks, I'll take another look at him (DDL).

linki - Jack, I don't know why you would disbelieve that speed's post made sense to me but ok.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:50 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:37 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:29 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:18 pm It's late I've got to vote. I'm voting [VOTE: Jack] aubergine and will be around from now until EOD in case new information comes in.

Why Jack over DDL?

More gut than anything else. I don't understand what his point was in that prolonged back and forth with me that ended with him saying:

1) He has a hard time with the notion he had accused me in an incredulous way but turned right around and said
2) He has a problem with anyone thinking he accused Mac of being scum, in other words he was incredulous

So what was the point of all that? It just tied me up unnecessarily.

I'm open to another vote. What do you see that made you vote DDL?

Where are you getting that from?

His read on Jack is fake. His gripe with the Mac vote and the argument that followed are contrived.

Ok. I can see where the read of Jack might be fake. I also found in another game Community Mafia where he throws out what appears to be a random vote himself so that strategy appears to be one he's ok with. So I get it, I'll change my vote.

Oh wow that's great! Good job guys.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:45 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:44 pm Oh wow that's great! Good job guys.

How did it feel to buss your only teammate?

I am not bad so he wasn't my teammate.

Good morning all. I am going to try and re-read a few people today, Jack (again), speed and Mac to begin with. Maybe I'll re-read everyone, the game is not that long at this point. I'll also try to work on the ISO links unless someone gets to it before me. I'll be in and out.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:04 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:47 pm Besides the point above about DDL not liking the random voting, what is the rest of the case?

This is not the best cause it was a perfectly great case as is. This implies that it was somehow lacking.

I think he had 3 votes at this point and my thought was surely this isn't all over his problem with the random vote. It wasn't until nova's post, me finding his vote in Community, and re-reading him in light of those two things that I grasped the random voting issue as a whole was big enough to tip the scale from Jack to him.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:13 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:26 am Good morning all. I am going to try and re-read a few people today, Jack (again), speed and Mac to begin with. Maybe I'll re-read everyone, the game is not that long at this point. I'll also try to work on the ISO links unless someone gets to it before me. I'll be in and out.

I tried, I failed lol. How do you do it?

I have to go into another game and look at an ISO link in the quote function to remember how to do it. Iirc you use the url tags and copy the url from the persons ISO but you have to insert their name in there somewhere. So anyway, thats why I look at the sequence from another game - I can never remember precisely how to do it. (The url tag is between image and flash, i.e. to the left of the lightning bolt).

I re-read Mac, his ISO is much shorter than I thought it would be. I couldn't tell much from his posts - he always throws names out and he was also quiet at the beginning of Always Sunny where he was civ. His last post though about being an inventor reads town to me. It is dangerous to claim an ability that you don't have and I don't know why he would take that risk at this point in time unless he really had that role. So I'm putting him on my town side of the roster.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:21 am http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... mit=Search
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Oh my. I'm not sure how you got this and I don't know how to fix it. It looks like the url tags are not there.

nova

This is the way to do it I think. This should be frontwards.

Thank you speed. I don't know how you did them so fast.

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:23 pm Taking out Luna and Mac, that would leave juliets as our most suspicious user, so [VOTE: juliets] aubergine

RIP sable, I don't get why it was you.

Why am I the most suspicious? And what do you mean by "user"?

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:31 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:28 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:23 pm Taking out Luna and Mac, that would leave juliets as our most suspicious user, so [VOTE: juliets] aubergine

RIP sable, I don't get why it was you.

Why am I the most suspicious? And what do you mean by "user"?

The voting patterns make the three of you look the worst. Mac has a claim going for him (which needs to be verified, though), I have evidence in Lunalee's favor, so that leaves you. "User" is just how I refer to people, might just be something I carried from Bulba.

Oh ok, just a terminology difference.

On the vote issue though, what didn't you like about my vote? Mac voted speed, Luna voted Jack, I voted DDL. I changed my vote from Jack late in the process, is that what bothers you?

I don't know what to think of Mac, I need to think through whether it really makes sense that he would lie about this.

I got side tracked yesterday from re-reading some people but I will do it today after I get home from work. I feel good about nova and pretty good about Luna going in so I'll put them last on the list.

I'll be gone to work again until this afternoon sometime.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am <snip>

Case Juliets: Quotes the post immediately following the DDL case but when Nova basically restates the DDL case, acts like this is new information. Votes DDL after momentum has turned so this comes across as fake.

Trust fall Juliets: Going to find a specific game where DDL did something that makes him look scummy here is not effort I expect to see from a goon that decides to bus late in the day.

Jack, I don't know how to explain it other than to tell you nova's to-the-point declarative style:

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:50 pm
His read on Jack is fake. His gripe with the Mac vote and the argument that followed are contrived.

coupled with the fact that I had just found a random vote crystalized the problem with DDL. The fact that I had begun to trust nova and he was so emphatic also helped me over the edge.

Going to read back some now.

I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 2:52 pm Jackofhearts2005
juliets
leetic
Lunalee
Macdougall
novaselinever
speedchuck

Things we haven't looked at for everyone:
Read based on interactions with DDL
Read based on Sabie nightkill analysis

I'm mostly curious what you think anyone (besides Mac) has to gain from specifically killing Sabie?

speed, why is leetic so high on your list? I must have missed it in my read.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.

Ok nova I will do that.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.

Ok, Community Mafia was a different leetic. He did not beat around the bush much before claiming like he did here. What do you think about his response to you that he was in more danger in that game and that's why his claim was quicker?

[mention]speedchuck[/mention] lol, I did not notice those names were in alpha order. I thought you were giving a reads list. To your point in the post, I did go back and look at sable and just can't find a reason from what she said that she was nk'd. I don't know what to make of it.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:02 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:57 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:18 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:53 pm I think I'm going to add leetic to my clear list. I guess he could be bad and therefore knows luna is good therefore knows he can clear her but just as my logic went with Mac, it's risky to claim an ability that you don't have.

The two claims are nothing alike. You should read Community Leetic.

Ok, Community Mafia was a different leetic. He did not beat around the bush much before claiming like he did here. What do you think about his response to you that he was in more danger in that game and that's why his claim was quicker?

@speedchuck lol, I did not notice those names were in alpha order. I thought you were giving a reads list. To your point in the post, I did go back and look at sable and just can't find a reason from what she said that she was nk'd. I don't know what to make of it.

It's dishonest. The point against him is that Community Leetic showed reservation in claiming and didn't really consider it until it was necessary, here he's hinting at being a power role during the night without being asked to do so at all. He put a target on his back, then he stalled the claiming using the excuse "to not get killed" when what he did already managed that.

To top it all off, he hinted at his role to get a target for his action but ended up going with someone that wasn't suggested.

Oh ok, I didn't think he showed as much reservation in Community as you who was playing the game in real time with him. But you're right, he did let out that hint in this game at night when it wasn't necessary and then stalled saying he didn't want to be killed which is odd. And I appreciate your pointing out the Luna pick as being wonky. I didn't really focus on that at all. So, I'm not feeling as good about leetic as I was before.

linki

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 6:23 pm Jailer.

Meh, I dunno.

Didn't Leetic claim AFTER the Sabie kill? Jackofhearts2005 I completely misinterpreted your post.

Leetic hinted at a power role in the night but didn't outright claim until the next day.