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by juliets
Fri May 17, 2019 8:37 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

I'm taking cat unless there are too many already
by juliets
Fri May 17, 2019 8:50 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Views: 26611

Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

Whew, only 3 on cats.

so I know nothing about this show. I was going to watch an episode but the game snuck up on me, so I may have some dumb questions.
by juliets
Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

So cats has exactly 4: nutella, Kyle, me, bwt. Looking good. Not understanding the Space thing though.

[mention]Rej[/mention] welcome to the syndicate mafia!
by juliets
Sat May 18, 2019 11:11 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

Rej wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:05 am
juliets wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:37 am So cats has exactly 4: nutella, Kyle, me, bwt. Looking good. Not understanding the Space thing though.

@Rej welcome to the syndicate mafia!
Thanks Juliet!

Why you don't understand the space thing? :confused2: I want to see galaxies and stars inside my cubicle. It also counts in space-cats.
The thing I don't understand is the instructions in the OP says the selections have to be spread evenly or there will be consequences. Space has 7 people voting for it (when I last looked) so that's too many. Go back to her explanation from her in the OP, I'm probably not explaining it well.
by juliets
Sat May 18, 2019 12:08 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

Rej wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 12:02 pm Oh so we will have drawbacks like no extra votes, and the others will have extra votes? that's actually brutal :sweatwipe:
Haha, Daisy is full of little extra twists in games!
by juliets
Sat May 18, 2019 12:32 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

Creature wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 12:27 pm What a boring D0
Feel free to do something about it if you don't like it. A lot of players haven't checked in yet, probably because it's the weekend and people are out enjoying themselves.
by juliets
Sat May 18, 2019 12:48 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

DrWilgy wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 12:36 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:05 am
DrWilgy wrote: Fri May 17, 2019 11:54 pm :srsnod:

Epi has never been more correct in his life.

He's town. Someone fight me on this.
Let me find some boxing gloves...

Are you serious or just fooling around at this point? I can never tell with you.
I'm serious. I've not seen epi enter a thread this civvi before in my life. You got beef?
I laughed at Epi's post but it seemed NAI to me.
by juliets
Sat May 18, 2019 1:02 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Views: 26611

Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

Dragomir wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 12:52 pm
Rej wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 8:39 am Hello guys, I am the new guy here, which doesn't mean I am unexperienced, but I have to get familair with you guys and the forum.
I know absolutely nothing about the show, but I am ready if someone wanna go against me. I voted Space because I like space over cats tho.
[VOTE: Rej] aubergine
Hi Dragomir, what are you seeing in this post by Rej that causes you to vote for him?
by juliets
Sat May 18, 2019 1:03 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

juliets wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 1:02 pm
Dragomir wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 12:52 pm
Rej wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 8:39 am Hello guys, I am the new guy here, which doesn't mean I am unexperienced, but I have to get familair with you guys and the forum.
I know absolutely nothing about the show, but I am ready if someone wanna go against me. I voted Space because I like space over cats tho.
[VOTE: Rej] aubergine
Hi Dragomir, what are you seeing in this post by Rej that causes you to vote for him?
Oh wait [mention]Dragomir[/mention] - lol, my bad - we're in Day 0. So nvm.
by juliets
Sat May 18, 2019 1:58 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

Matahari wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 1:52 pm
sabie12 wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 7:04 am
Matahari wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 1:15 am
Kylemii wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 12:25 am are any of these things involved in the show in any way?
I don’t know either, because I’ve never watched it. But I do think some of us are going to get moved off the choice we made. We have 6 people on space, and I think we’re only supposed to have 4.
It sounds like it matters what order you voted so if the order is correct then you and epi would have to move to a different option so as not to get a vote put on you if I'm reading that right.
I was the third voter on Space, but for some weird reason, the poll doesn’t keep the names in the true order.
You're right mata it doesn't track voting order though Daisy and crew are working on fixing that. Thats why I said in the thread who was on "Cats" when we went to three and then to four votes, so there would be no confusion with that particular category. Daisy must be putting the pieces together from reading the thread because she can't tell by just looking at the poll.
by juliets
Sat May 18, 2019 5:36 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

Creature wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 4:24 pm Meh, gonna just claim 100th post
Cool for you. You racked them up pretty quickly.
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 11:59 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

Isn't Mac just listing the people who got assessed a vote for not voting correctly? I didn't take his post seriously.

Meanwhile we have to vote for someone today and it's going to be hard if people aren't posting content. So far nobody has said anything I can make a read off of yet. Does anyone have anything they think looks suspicious?

Today is my birthday by the way and I'm in another game too so I will be in and out.
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 12:44 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

Rej wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 12:14 pm
juliets wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 11:59 am Isn't Mac just listing the people who got assessed a vote for not voting correctly? I didn't take his post seriously.

Meanwhile we have to vote for someone today and it's going to be hard if people aren't posting content. So far nobody has said anything I can make a read off of yet. Does anyone have anything they think looks suspicious?

Today is my birthday by the way and I'm in another game too so I will be in and out.
Happy birthday!
I am suspicious of this Mac guy for now, because of the way he entered this day phase. He either knows something or he plays with us. I see it as a not wisemove to list yourself as town, that way he might approach us to trust him, but the nr 1 rule is not to trust anyone. I would vote off someone like him, so I expect him to tell us why he lists himself as town and this while we have no information.
Thanks Rej!

I've given my opinion about why Mac names those names so it's probably best if others tell you what they see (it would be best if Mac explained himself but he is in a time zone where he is asleep during our daylight hours and probably will not get here until late this afternoon). I will also say that a lot of times when I see people give a list of who they think is good they include themselves, which makes no sense to me but I wanted to alert you that happens regularly on this site. Anyway, hopefully others will arrive soon and we can continue this discussion and get other discussions going as well.

linki
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 1:43 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 1:16 pm Honestly, that's something I wouldn't mind exploring further. The hostess clearly stated that there needed to be an equal number of votes for each option. Are we really going to believe that 7 people just didn't read that clarification?

If I have time this afternoon, I want to go back and explore that.
That's an interesting thought. It used to happen all the time back in the olden days of mafia but I haven't seen it done recently. I don't have time today to go back and explore it but let us know if you see anything.
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 1:53 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

nutella wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 1:44 pm I thought maybe Mac's thinking was that scum would be more likely to read the rules thoroughly and to want to be careful to avoid the extra vote thing. And I say this as a civilian who read the rules thoroughly but also I just voted early enough that it didn't matter lol.
That makes perfect sense based on what I know of the way Mac thinks.
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 5:28 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

Kylemii wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:13 pm my reasoning is that he seems anxious, he made posts about how there's been nothing going on and how it's bothered him but hasn't made much personal effort to stir discussion up himself. he's made offhand comments but no running comments until basically an hour ago. that's not to say he's the only one in that boat but he sticks out to me because of that/ it seems disingenuous.
Kyle, when I looked at Daisy's post that began the day it was posted at 7:18 my time (eastern daylight) so I'm assuming this phase would end sometime around then.

I am not at all sure who to vote for. No one is standing out to me so far. I'll look over your point on Creature, Kyle.
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 5:59 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

Creature wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:51 pm
SokothQultuq wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:29 pm
Creature wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 4:57 pm also alphabetical order looks like a mafia tell.
Question - is this really a thing? Putting a list in alphabetical order is a Mafia Tell?
I usually do that because I fear players would try to read my order if it's non-alphabetical.
You guys, he used the exact same order as Daisy used when she named those people as far as I can see.

linki
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 6:28 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

Epi, I'm not sure what that second post is talking about - looks like it may be from the sign-up thread - but I take it this is your answer as to why you are voting Indi. For the dense among us (maybe thats just me) can you tell us why that post is vote-worthy? Or are you joking and it's really that she never came back and posted again?
Epignosis wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:47 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:45 pm
indiglo wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 3:38 pm Checking in, but very quickly. Welcome to all the new folks, and hello again to all the familiar faces!

I originally voted "Space" because it's clearly the best option, but after reading Daisy's post, I have changed to "Cars" because it needs more votes. I would encourage the extra "Space" voters to also change. Unless you really want your cubicle decorated with extra votes during Day 1. It looks like we're going to have to read Daisy's posts very carefully in this game!
Voting indiglo.
Can't tell if because of no-show or something else.
indiglo wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 8:41 am
dunya wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:21 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 9:56 pm What the hell. I know nothing of this but I can kick all y'alls asses so hard you'd better get off my boy Ted.
so tempted to kick your ass. :biggrin:

I'm kicking it right now. :noble:
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 6:29 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

Creature wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 6:28 pm Do we have less than an hour?
yes
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 6:33 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 0] Better Off Ted

Epignosis wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 6:29 pm
juliets wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 6:28 pm Epi, I'm not sure what that second post is talking about - looks like it may be from the sign-up thread - but I take it this is your answer as to why you are voting Indi. For the dense among us (maybe thats just me) can you tell us why that post is vote-worthy? Or are you joking and it's really that she never came back and posted again?
Epignosis wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:47 pm
birdwithteeth11 wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:45 pm
indiglo wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 3:38 pm Checking in, but very quickly. Welcome to all the new folks, and hello again to all the familiar faces!

I originally voted "Space" because it's clearly the best option, but after reading Daisy's post, I have changed to "Cars" because it needs more votes. I would encourage the extra "Space" voters to also change. Unless you really want your cubicle decorated with extra votes during Day 1. It looks like we're going to have to read Daisy's posts very carefully in this game!
Voting indiglo.
Can't tell if because of no-show or something else.
indiglo wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 8:41 am
dunya wrote: Thu May 16, 2019 5:21 am
Epignosis wrote: Wed May 15, 2019 9:56 pm What the hell. I know nothing of this but I can kick all y'alls asses so hard you'd better get off my boy Ted.
so tempted to kick your ass. :biggrin:

I'm kicking it right now. :noble:
It isn't vote-worthy. It's a vote to have a vote up there and it's on someone who has one post.
Ok thank you!
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 6:44 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

sabie12 wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.
sabie, you say you think either of them could be bad because they are both acting strange but then go on to say you're not familiar with either of them or their play style. I just don't understand that at all. Strange as compared to what? Also, I would think you would know by now but maybe you've missed it, Mac is from the other side of the world and is asleep during the day when we are all posting. He's always quiet during the day, it's not uncharacteristic.

linki
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

sorry sabie but I'm more suspicious of you than any of the others right now. [VOTE: sabie12] aubergine
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 6:57 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

sabie12 wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 6:52 pm
juliets wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 6:44 pm
sabie12 wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm How did I not answer why I thought it was weird? Kyle is all over the place being like I'm not gonna read anything and then explaining what the rule is then accusing creature out of nowhere who had assumed they knew them from some other site. It's a strange interaction. What response are you looking for?
I think either one of them could be bad because they're both acting weird but I'm really not familiar with either of them or their play style. Mac has been uncharacteristically quiet this game.
sabie, you say you think either of them could be bad because they are both acting strange but then go on to say you're not familiar with either of them or their play style. I just don't understand that at all. Strange as compared to what? Also, I would think you would know by now but maybe you've missed it, Mac is from the other side of the world and is asleep during the day when we are all posting. He's always quiet during the day, it's not uncharacteristic.

linki

I wasn't accusing mac just saying he usually posts more in general that's all. I know hes in a different time zone.

I just meant I thought the interaction and wording of things was weird but I dont know if they're always like that. Like it seems weird to me but maybe that's just how they usually talk. Like how they don't know how I usually play and that I have a hard time coming up with a lot of reads initially.
Every time I try to I am judged very harshly saying I dont have good enough reasons or explanations when its day 1 and theres not a lot to go on.
Ok thanks for responding sabie.
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 6:58 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

Epignosis wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 6:53 pm I'd rather lynch Wilgy than Creature or sabie.
Ep, talk to me please about Dr. Wilgy. I'm a little anxious about sabie because she's getting so many votes.
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 7:08 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 7:03 pm 5 votes still missing...

Linki: Dr. Wilgy has never seemed serious to me. Maybe that's his persona?
I re-read him just now and he just seems not serious but to your point, thats how he always seems.

linki
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 7:15 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Views: 26611

Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

Kylemii wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 7:13 pm i don't want to lynch creature
I don't want to Lynch either sabie or creature at this point but I don't get the Wilgy votes.
by juliets
Sun May 19, 2019 7:33 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

I'm sorry sabie. Keep playing please.
birdwithteeth11 wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 7:27 pm
Creature wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 7:25 pm That DrWilgy wagon for some reason gained a lot of resistance now that I take a closer look.
What about any of his posts made him come off as bad? That's the part I don't get.

Linki: Well that sucks. :(
I was about to say the same thing. No one could explain what made his posts bad and to me he looked just like normal Wilgy.

linki: I don't remember Daisy saying anything about having a close thread at night so I think the answer is yes, it's supposed to be open.
by juliets
Mon May 20, 2019 3:50 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Night 1] Better Off Ted

Hi guys, sorry I'm not around today I will have to catch up in the morning as EOD is this evening in the other game and I have dinner reservations tonight.
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 1:14 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

Can someone tell me who made a case on Creature so I can go read why he has so many people voting him? Just reading through this day phase I have to agree with nutella, there doesn't seem to be enough conversation today to warrant all those votes (some of which have changed to Long Con I think). And what is the case on LC? I'll ISO him but I'd like to understand the case on him.
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 1:27 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

indiglo wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 12:48 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

It's the best thing going that isn't a Creature vote.

I will not be here for EOD today, but I have several hours still. So hopefully we can stay organized.

(Also, Creature, if you really are mafia, I tip my hat to you. lol :nicenod: )
indi, did you see something in LC's ISO that convinced you to vote him?
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 1:38 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 1] Better Off Ted

Long Con wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 10:05 am Great catch on that Player Salad from Creature. Huge black mark on his record for that.
LC, was it really player salad or was it just him listing his suspicions? (jftr I hate player salad because I can never remember the definition.) And I think calling it a "huge" black mark is a little much even if it is player salad.

linki [mention]SokothQultuq[/mention] Long Con's activity level has not been high in recent games. I agree with what he said about it, that it's NAI,
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 1:40 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Views: 26611

Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

[mention]birdwithteeth11[/mention] what are your main issues with Mac? If you have already done a post where you explained what you see about him just tell me and I'll look at your iso.
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 1:47 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

nutella wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 1:43 pm @juliets it did fit the standard salad definition of "a, b, c, or maybe d" so it was a valid call-out but I think LC got a bit too excited about it/may put too much weight on it. I think I've also seen civ LC get overexcited about catching a salad though
OK nutella thanks, particularly for the info that his "huge black mark" comment may be NAI.
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 1:52 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

indiglo wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 1:44 pm
juliets wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 1:27 pm
indiglo wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 12:48 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

It's the best thing going that isn't a Creature vote.

I will not be here for EOD today, but I have several hours still. So hopefully we can stay organized.

(Also, Creature, if you really are mafia, I tip my hat to you. lol :nicenod: )
indi, did you see something in LC's ISO that convinced you to vote him?

I'm not married to my vote for LC. At this point, I feel like my most likely candidates would be between Mac, Wilgy and LC. Because of how the votes started going down from the beginning of this day phase.

I wanted to get a vote on the board, and of those 3, LC had the most votes so far. I'm open to further discussion for sure, and vote changing, up until the time I have to leave.
Ok, so it wasn't something you found in his ISO that convinced you. I just ISO'd him and didn't really see a lot. His beef with Creature seemed to be the player salad issue, and other than that he responded to Mac's plea to please vote Creature. [mention]Long Con[/mention] correct me if I am wrong.
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 3:16 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Views: 26611

Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

Dragomir wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 2:17 pm
Dragomir wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 12:26 pm Oh yeah, I definitely see a scum in Long Con here. His posts last DP lacked any real substance and game solving. They were flat posts that didn't do anything to move the cart(make town progress in getting scum). He's way too agreeable with everything imo, especially with Creature. Makes it even worse as I believe scum wants this lynch to happen and he's fitting the bill of that scum.

Lastly, his iso on Sabie felt fake, forced and disingenuous. It was like "let me iso the person everybody suspects so it looks like I have actual reads and I ain't just sheeping."

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
juliets Read this. The strongest argument against LC.
Thanks Dragomir. I agree that his posts D1 lacked a lot of substance and game solving, the problem is he plays that way when he's town and when he's bad so it's hard for me to say that's evidence of scum behavior. I'll re-read his sabie ISO with your opinion in mind.

[mention]nutella[/mention] I notice you have also voted Long Con. What do you think of Drago's points here. If you've spoken to this and I missed it just direct me to your iso.
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 4:18 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Views: 26611

Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

[mention]indiglo[/mention] why Wilgy?
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 4:37 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

Long Con wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 4:32 pm I don't particularly trust Mac. I mostly don't trust Mac though, I don't distrust him specifically for this game. Like, not any more than usual.

To me, in a game where infodumping isn't allowed, saying "Can you just vote there because I asked" carries a bit more gravitas, because it's about the level of strength one could use to make a "I alignment-checked Creature and he's bad" statement.
I thought about that too LC.
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 4:45 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

Epi, I don't know that you will get to this in time but why did you drop your suspicion of Wligy?
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 4:49 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

yeah suspicious or not I think I'm going to vote Creature for similar reasons.
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 8:41 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Views: 26611

Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted

Dang, Creature I'm sorry.

Drago and nutella look town to me and everyone else is up for re-evaluation. LC and Mac will be first.
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 8:56 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted

MacDougall wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 8:43 pm Hey juliets!
Hello Mac!
by juliets
Tue May 21, 2019 9:06 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
Replies: 1288
Views: 26611

Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted

Epignosis wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 8:44 pm
juliets wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 8:41 pm
Drago and nutella look town to me and everyone else is up for re-evaluation.
On what basis?
juliets wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 8:41 pm
LC and Mac will be first.
Long Con and MacDougall are civilians in my book.
I'm operating on gut right now Epi but I liked how they looked toward the end of that lynch. I'll pull some quotes tomorrow because gut is always based on something.

Also I'm not accusing LC or Mac, I may very well come back and say I think they are town. LC is particularly hard for me to read, always has been.

Right now I'm going to watch TV.

linki
by juliets
Wed May 22, 2019 7:38 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted

Rej wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 am My town reads were correct the game through, and I am still...oof guys...

So it was clear this was a mislynch wagon but I like how people still kept discussing it through the whole day leading into nothing.

@Dragomir bruh, you don't wanna be mislynched again...it is one thing, but you also don't want to mislynch others. Others won't build up the psychology of not mislynching, but in the end you practice it, not only here, but you did the same on OJ. You don't let got of me, even when I jumped off the wagon on creature as one of the first.

From defense to offense...we don't have a townkilling by now and I rly sus Juliets now, because I am more used from her plays, she is doing more reads in generell etc, never seen someone playing so off and then going like:
"Hi Mac" - nothing else.


Ffs either MacDougall is town for 100% or he is deepwolfing and taking control of the wagons.
Also YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY 2 misslynches....Dragomir be like: "I am the most active here, leading the discussions..." tell me why is it so familair?
Oh right in our last game hosted by novas we both swiped town by forming one scumwagon against town after another and noone realized it while 1 obvious scum atleast were known to town.

I am getting heavy flashbacks here Image
Hi Rej -

Could you explain what you mean above where I underlined? You say you are more used to me doing more reads (I think that's what you're saying) and you never have seen me more "off" but we have never, ever, ever played together before. This is the first time. Also, Mac said "Hi" to me and I just said the same back to him, it was nothing more than that. I think he said it because I said I was going to look at him. So again, it's fine if you think I am bad for other reasons but it isn't because I'm different from how you've played with me before because THIS is our FIRST game together.
by juliets
Wed May 22, 2019 7:50 am
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted

MacDougall wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 10:54 pm Okay so where I am at is I see three possibilities.

1. Given that the Creature wagon was indeed a civ wagon with very little push I am still looking for those who pushed against it for cred. These players would be showing TMI. Nutella, indiglo and birdwithteeth are the most questionable here, the latter two because they found their way off the main wagon with very little effort (when I observe BWT specifically, but would expect both, to me more likely to just agree to the main wagon if they are indeed civilians without info). Nutella more so because there is this sort of union between her and Dragomir but the tones are different. Dragomir gets a bit of a pass from me because he sounds more aggressive and is exhibiting more civvie doubt. I am gut and tone reading Dragomir town but Nutella has a more stiff feel in her posting.

2. Maybe we just have a lazier than usual Mafia team and rather than attempting to create some civ credit they chose to take the day off[/b] and just let the mislynch unfold and that I missed it entirely because I was blinded by my own read. I don't think LC and Epi are guilty of this, because Epignosis and Long Con were proponents of the wagon even before I kicked it off, they were not passively agreeing with it like some others. Juliets is someone who comes into question here, because she was on the wagon yet now in light of the flip is choosing to hitch herself to the nutella/Dragomir bloc... which I would do if I was in her position as Mafia. I find it questionable that Juliets has gone from being a proponent of the Creature lynch to now aligning herself with the primary objectors of it. It's a bit too quaint. DrWilgy is also a concern also is the one that put the third quick vote on that wagon and did so with a minimum of fuss, which I find strange for Wilgy who loves competing wagons. I also want to look at how Oreki and Matahari got their votes on to the wagon.

3. It is possible that we have a mix, something like the majority of the Mafia team choosing to be passive with one person angling for deepwolf status. Mathematically this is probably more likely, also supported by well as the fact that most Mafia teams don't bloc vote (they should but don't). In this scenario it makes sense that we would have something like a Nutella, DrWilgy, Juliets team, with Nutella taking the opportunity to pocket Dragomir and steer clear of the wagon to infiltrate any forming town bloc, with DrWilgy just relying on wifoming his way out and Juliets taking the safe option as she is want to do.

Lastly I am sorry Creature. I hope to see you in the next game, you play well.
I saw Drago and nutella as town because they were arguing so hard against the lynch. I know you have a theory that the arguing against it made them mafia (or I see you have revised that above to just nutella) but I didn't buy that argument the first time around. I will read through it again when I review your ISO later today to make sure I still feel that way. Anyway, it came off to me that they were most certainly town.

I am not bad, I've just been very busy and maybe haven't thought things through well enough here but I died in the other game so will be able to devote more time to this one starting this afternoon when I get home from work.
by juliets
Wed May 22, 2019 2:17 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted

Rej wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 8:54 am
juliets wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:38 am
Rej wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 6:44 am My town reads were correct the game through, and I am still...oof guys...

So it was clear this was a mislynch wagon but I like how people still kept discussing it through the whole day leading into nothing.

@Dragomir bruh, you don't wanna be mislynched again...it is one thing, but you also don't want to mislynch others. Others won't build up the psychology of not mislynching, but in the end you practice it, not only here, but you did the same on OJ. You don't let got of me, even when I jumped off the wagon on creature as one of the first.

From defense to offense...we don't have a townkilling by now and I rly sus Juliets now, because I am more used from her plays, she is doing more reads in generell etc, never seen someone playing so off and then going like:
"Hi Mac" - nothing else.


Ffs either MacDougall is town for 100% or he is deepwolfing and taking control of the wagons.
Also YAAAAAAAAAAAAAY 2 misslynches....Dragomir be like: "I am the most active here, leading the discussions..." tell me why is it so familair?
Oh right in our last game hosted by novas we both swiped town by forming one scumwagon against town after another and noone realized it while 1 obvious scum atleast were known to town.

I am getting heavy flashbacks here Image
Hi Rej -

Could you explain what you mean above where I underlined? You say you are more used to me doing more reads (I think that's what you're saying) and you never have seen me more "off" but we have never, ever, ever played together before. This is the first time. Also, Mac said "Hi" to me and I just said the same back to him, it was nothing more than that. I think he said it because I said I was going to look at him. So again, it's fine if you think I am bad for other reasons but it isn't because I'm different from how you've played with me before because THIS is our FIRST game together.
Oh so you are not Juliet from OJ, my apologize xd I thought you were trolling me.
No problem Rej, I thought you were probably mistaking me for someone else so I just wanted to make sure you knew I am not that person.
by juliets
Wed May 22, 2019 2:19 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Day 2] Better Off Ted

indiglo wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 11:54 am
juliets wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 4:18 pm @indiglo why Wilgy?

I posted my reasoning in the post directly before my vote post Iit was supposed to be all in 1 post, but, something freaked out and it posted before I could add my vote to the post):
indiglo wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 2:48 pm
Oreki wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 9:39 am I'm not finished with reading yet but looking at the thread, @birdwithteeth11 comes off quite aggressively and his behavior not really feel like town behavior, it's more comes off as a wolf for me. They way he ask players or point out thinks Kinda coming forcefully. I will read the entire thread and will provide my reads on my suspect along with birdwith.
DrWilgy wrote: Mon May 20, 2019 8:43 pm @Creature if there's anything that I've learned in my time on this planet it's that if you sus bwt day 1 and he's not bad, you are. Wanna flip that coin buddy?

So I just found this. Wilgy is calling out Creature for doing something that Oreki did Day 1... but Wilgy doesn't throw any suspicion Oreki's way for it. I don't like that at all.
Oh I see indi, I don't know why I didn't see that. Thanks.
by juliets
Wed May 22, 2019 2:23 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted

nutella wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 12:02 pm
juliets wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:50 am
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 10:54 pm Okay so where I am at is I see three possibilities.

1. Given that the Creature wagon was indeed a civ wagon with very little push I am still looking for those who pushed against it for cred. These players would be showing TMI. Nutella, indiglo and birdwithteeth are the most questionable here, the latter two because they found their way off the main wagon with very little effort (when I observe BWT specifically, but would expect both, to me more likely to just agree to the main wagon if they are indeed civilians without info). Nutella more so because there is this sort of union between her and Dragomir but the tones are different. Dragomir gets a bit of a pass from me because he sounds more aggressive and is exhibiting more civvie doubt. I am gut and tone reading Dragomir town but Nutella has a more stiff feel in her posting.

2. Maybe we just have a lazier than usual Mafia team and rather than attempting to create some civ credit they chose to take the day off[/b] and just let the mislynch unfold and that I missed it entirely because I was blinded by my own read. I don't think LC and Epi are guilty of this, because Epignosis and Long Con were proponents of the wagon even before I kicked it off, they were not passively agreeing with it like some others. Juliets is someone who comes into question here, because she was on the wagon yet now in light of the flip is choosing to hitch herself to the nutella/Dragomir bloc... which I would do if I was in her position as Mafia. I find it questionable that Juliets has gone from being a proponent of the Creature lynch to now aligning herself with the primary objectors of it. It's a bit too quaint. DrWilgy is also a concern also is the one that put the third quick vote on that wagon and did so with a minimum of fuss, which I find strange for Wilgy who loves competing wagons. I also want to look at how Oreki and Matahari got their votes on to the wagon.

3. It is possible that we have a mix, something like the majority of the Mafia team choosing to be passive with one person angling for deepwolf status. Mathematically this is probably more likely, also supported by well as the fact that most Mafia teams don't bloc vote (they should but don't). In this scenario it makes sense that we would have something like a Nutella, DrWilgy, Juliets team, with Nutella taking the opportunity to pocket Dragomir and steer clear of the wagon to infiltrate any forming town bloc, with DrWilgy just relying on wifoming his way out and Juliets taking the safe option as she is want to do.

Lastly I am sorry Creature. I hope to see you in the next game, you play well.
I saw Drago and nutella as town because they were arguing so hard against the lynch. I know you have a theory that the arguing against it made them mafia (or I see you have revised that above to just nutella) but I didn't buy that argument the first time around. I will read through it again when I review your ISO later today to make sure I still feel that way. Anyway, it came off to me that they were most certainly town.

I am not bad, I've just been very busy and maybe haven't thought things through well enough here but I died in the other game so will be able to devote more time to this one starting this afternoon when I get home from work.
Yikes juliets bad
Yeah, but I'm not. You should know already that I've been very busy and haven't been able to devote the time I want to either game.
by juliets
Wed May 22, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted

birdwithteeth11 wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 12:58 pm
juliets wrote: Wed May 22, 2019 7:50 am
I saw Drago and nutella as town because they were arguing so hard against the lynch. I know you have a theory that the arguing against it made them mafia (or I see you have revised that above to just nutella) but I didn't buy that argument the first time around. I will read through it again when I review your ISO later today to make sure I still feel that way. Anyway, it came off to me that they were most certainly town.

I am not bad, I've just been very busy and maybe haven't thought things through well enough here but I died in the other game so will be able to devote more time to this one starting this afternoon when I get home from work.
How did it come off as town to you though? Sorry if you already answered this as I'm posting while catching up. But I have a hard time seeing how one can view someone as civ/bad if they push against a specific lynch with no other context.
bwt, like I told Epi, I'll go over Drago and nutella's post from last night and pull out what posts made me gut read them as good after the lynch result. It seemed really clear to me at the time.
by juliets
Wed May 22, 2019 3:08 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted

My gut reaction that Drago is town after the lynch comes from his lead-up to the lynch:
Dragomir wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 12:26 pm
Dragomir wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 12:15 pm This lynch is look too easy.
looking*
Earlier in the day he started saying the lynch was looking too easy.
Dragomir wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 12:26 pm Oh yeah, I definitely see a scum in Long Con here. His posts last DP lacked any real substance and game solving. They were flat posts that didn't do anything to move the cart(make town progress in getting scum). He's way too agreeable with everything imo, especially with Creature. Makes it even worse as I believe scum wants this lynch to happen and he's fitting the bill of that scum.

Lastly, his iso on Sabie felt fake, forced and disingenuous. It was like "let me iso the person everybody suspects so it looks like I have actual reads and I ain't just sheeping."

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
He tried to get another wagon going on Long Con and he pointed his case out later to me to try and get me to vote for him so he showed intent to move the votes off of Creature.
Dragomir wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 6:09 pm The only way Nutella and I are mafia is if Creature is mafia as well. Like if Creature is town, then we can't be mafia as I find it bullshit that mafia would try to stop a mislynch and start a new wagon. That makes no sense. Mafia needs to get mislynches, and they just stop one for town cred? Nonsense.

Call this wifom, I don't care.
This rang true to me that it wouldn't make sense to try to stop a town mislynch to start another mislynch (because surely Drago wouldn't try to stop a town mislynch in order to lynch mafia). This really made sense to me after Creature turned out to be civ.
Dragomir wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 6:19 pm I mean I can imagine mafia trying to be hesitant on joining a mislynch being like "oh guys, I don't know about this, this doesn't feel right, looks like a mislynch tbh".

And then the player does literally nothing to try to stop the lynch from happening and form a new wagon? That person is mafia for sure.
Dragomir wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 6:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 6:18 pm Mafia need to do more than get mislynches to win Dragomir they also need to prevent their own. Avoiding civ wagons is a good way to do just that. A civ wagon that forms incorrectly is almost always formed by civilians. It's the ones avoiding it that I look at. Invariably people immediately pick through the people that form the wagon to look for bad guys which Creature himself did already ironically.
I get what you mean here. It would be bad if they're avoiding the lynch BUT, if a player is actively trying to get a new wagon formed and completely stop the progress of another lynch cause they believe it's a mislynch(and it really is) then I find it hard to believe that the person is mafia.
Two additional posts on that same subject and I saw exactly what he meant and agreed.

He made additional posts but these were the most significant ones to me that resulted in my calling him town.
by juliets
Wed May 22, 2019 3:39 pm
Forum: Previous Side Missions
Topic: [Game Over] Better Off Ted
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Re: [Night 2] Better Off Ted

My gut reaction that nutella was town after the lynch also comes from the lead up:
nutella wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 11:51 am I'm a little concerned about how easy of a lynch creature seems to be rn. The low level of conversation/lack of anyone objecting makes me wonder if he's a mislynch and the real scum are sitting back contented with it.
nutella actually started somewhat earlier than Dragomir wondering if the Creature lynch was a mislynch in the making.
nutella wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 12:20 pm
Dragomir wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 12:17 pm Yeah, there's like no resistance. Scum definitely wants this lynch to happen. Kyle even got killed to frame Creature.

This is a mislynch.
Yeah agreed
nutella wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 12:21 pm I felt that way about the Kyle kill as well
Somehow I missed this post in my Drago post above but here it is and nutella agreeing with him. This is happening earlier in the day (about 12:20 edt).
nutella wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 12:22 pm [VOTE: long con] aubergine he was too eager to join in Mac's party
She voted LC before Drago though with less explanation. The important thing to me is this started early in the day so I feel they were legitimately trying to turn people towards LC.
nutella wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 5:37 pm Do you really think it's impossible for me, drago, and creature to all be town? Bc that's a universe that feels pretty likely to me here
This was in answer to Mac saying if Creature flipped good then nutella and Drago were bad. She sounds legitimately exasperated here to me.
nutella wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 6:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: Tue May 21, 2019 6:21 pm I mean from my perspective. The Long Con wagon you built never had petrol.

You should consider whether nutella is buddying you Dragomir.
I thought the LC case was fine but unfortunately not enough people were even active today let alone joined it. That is in no way my fault for lack of trying. Shut up
This post is one that didn't have an impact on me last night but today as I read it there's a question mark in my mind. I didn't see nutella really trying to get LC lynched as I saw Dragomir doing. So I guess in that sense Drago looks a little better than she does.

There was also a back and forth with Mac over his "extreme theory" that I didn't get anything out of last night and had some trouble following today. I mention it only because it's there and someone else may feel strongly there was something in that exchange that I should have paid closer attention to.

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