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by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:54 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

S~V~S wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:51 am
speedchuck wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 11:10 pm Saitama is mafia? We might as well give up now.
Hey Chuck, why the Vanilla love?
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:10 am The correct poll answer is chocolate chip cookie dough or that's how I roll but whatever.
Samesies, Jack.

Neither of you strikes me as vanillas.

@juliets (asking you since you seem to be the town historian, but anyone can answer) are Day Zero option polls with meaning a thing anymore?
Good morning everyone, after being so excited for the game to start I fell asleep! And for the record, champion.

S~V~S, I haven't seen a Day Zero vote that meant something (unless it was to elect someone) in a while BUT this is BR and LC and they are, as I'm sure you remember, famous for their Day 0 polls meaning something. So I'm assuming there is a meaning.

I really like Lime Sorbet so I'll probably vote there.
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 9:33 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

You have a hell of a good memory [mention]Turnip Head[/mention].

I'll be in and out of the thread today. Mostly in after 2:00.
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:55 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

I just typed up an explanation of how the poll benefits from the old days worked and then saw S~V~S had already posted an explanation. The Erlatz 11, who remembers that?

And [mention]S~V~S[/mention], I guess I think it's more likely than not there is some meaning to the poll because it was such a big part of LC and BR games. I don't know though which option means what, as was the case in the past. The way it used to work Vanilla, for example, could be the civ option that a couple of civs were told of or it could be one of the mafia's options. Or it means nothing but a high percentage of people like vanilla best (which is the case if you look at the population). So at this point I see it as just something to watch and think about as we go forward.
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

sig wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:39 pm And juliet is 3p she picked sorbet which isn't ice cream its sorbet.
Lol sig, look at the poll question: "Which flavor is your favorite?" not "Which flavor ice cream is your favorite?" Someone brought this up earlier.
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:25 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

sig wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:16 pm Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

MacDougall
Epignosis
sig, what are you saying is a slip?
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:29 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

juliets wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:25 pm
sig wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:16 pm Like am I crazy here or is this a potential slip.

MacDougall
Epignosis
sig, what are you saying is a slip?
never mind sig, I see what you were asking about now.
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:35 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

Sloonei wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:26 pm Independent of all this: how do we all feel about master radishes?
I don't have a feeling about him yet. I'm not inclined to lean him bad because he used the term "baddie".
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:43 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

Sloonei wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:39 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:56 pm LOL, no but I love our Turnip, he's one of my faves so that would put you in good company. But alas, you are kind of a grey radish so far.

You have not made much of an impression on me either way, you have not said much if anything on topic, but this post tells me you certainly are aggressive, and I like that.

So tell me, now that you are posting on topic, what about my posts make you think I'm bad?

Linki @Sloonei i, good to know. It felt to me like youwere using him to appear like standard Sloonei, but it's been a while for me, and it's only Zero.
Okay, one more serious-sorta post then I'm going to bed.

Your posts sound like they could have been written by a baddie. E.g. over-explaining thoughts, suggesting what scum are going to try to do as a result of mechanics x, trying to list nearly everyone (even those that haven't checked in)...all traits I see scum do/do myself when scum.

So you go in my pink pile. It's too early to have proper red reads but your posts have, twice now, pinged me.
This is the most significant post in Radish’s ISO and it strikes me as the kind of opportunistic Day 0/1 suspicion that mafia could latch onto. Granted, everyone is new to Radishes here so it’s understandable that he’d lack strong reads early on (it’s not even Day 1 yet), but I don’t see him being much of an assertive presence in here so far. I’d think he’d want to lay the ground work to produce reads, at least.
Sloonei, I don't agree with him about S~V~S but if this is not laying the ground work to produce reads what is? I don't understand what you are expecting from him. Can you explain it a little more?
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:51 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

Sloonei wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:46 pm
juliets wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:43 pm
Sloonei wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:39 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:02 pm
S~V~S wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:56 pm LOL, no but I love our Turnip, he's one of my faves so that would put you in good company. But alas, you are kind of a grey radish so far.

You have not made much of an impression on me either way, you have not said much if anything on topic, but this post tells me you certainly are aggressive, and I like that.

So tell me, now that you are posting on topic, what about my posts make you think I'm bad?

Linki @Sloonei i, good to know. It felt to me like youwere using him to appear like standard Sloonei, but it's been a while for me, and it's only Zero.
Okay, one more serious-sorta post then I'm going to bed.

Your posts sound like they could have been written by a baddie. E.g. over-explaining thoughts, suggesting what scum are going to try to do as a result of mechanics x, trying to list nearly everyone (even those that haven't checked in)...all traits I see scum do/do myself when scum.

So you go in my pink pile. It's too early to have proper red reads but your posts have, twice now, pinged me.


This is the most significant post in Radish’s ISO and it strikes me as the kind of opportunistic Day 0/1 suspicion that mafia could latch onto. Granted, everyone is new to Radishes here so it’s understandable that he’d lack strong reads early on (it’s not even Day 1 yet), but I don’t see him being much of an assertive presence in here so far. I’d think he’d want to lay the ground work to produce reads, at least.
Sloonei, I don't agree with him about S~V~S but if this is not laying the ground work to produce reads what is? I don't understand what you are expecting from him. Can you explain it a little more?
I’m saying this is the extent of his reads, and it’s not very inspiring.
Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I don't agree that it's necessary for everyone to have a lot of reads this early but I understand your point.
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:54 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

Time to fix dinner, I'm sure I'll be back at some point.
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:23 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:58 pm
juliets wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:43 pm Sloonei, I don't agree with him about S~V~S but if this is not laying the ground work to produce reads what is? I don't understand what you are expecting from him. Can you explain it a little more?
To clarify juliets, does this imply that you view S~V~S as good?
I lean town from what I have seen so far.
by juliets
Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:36 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Night 0]

Sloonei wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:10 pm
juliets wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:51 pm Ok. Thanks for the clarification. I don't agree that it's necessary for everyone to have a lot of reads this early but I understand your point.
I certainly would not say that that's the case either. My point is that I have no reason to read Radishes as town. I picked out the most substantial post I could find in his ISO, and there was nothing in it that would be impossible for an evil radish to say or do.
Oh ok, I misinterpreted what you said. Thanks for clarifying, makes sense to me.
by juliets
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:15 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Wow so much posted last night/this morning. I just now caught up and don't have much time before work but I will spend some more time with this after work.

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] in the post you just made that shows a picture of the vote (I think) it's too small for me to see what you've written in. Can you walk through it in text?

I don't know what to make yet of [mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]. I have a bad feeling about him but I think it's stemming from the fact that so many of his posts seem like he's irritated and I don't know that "irritated" is AI in his case. JJJ posted some links to him in other games which I need to take a look at after work.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] you said you think [mention]nutella[/mention] is bad because of Wim and opportunism (and the waffle part but you explained what you meant by that). I've always had a problem with this whole "opportunism" thing - can you point to an example in her posts? Also, what is it about her WIM that pings you?

I noticed someone (can't remember who) commenting on the fact that Michelle was not around posting last night as a bad thing because as a civ she usually posts a lot and is around a lot. If I'm remembering correctly she is not around at night because she is is in a timezone that puts her in bed when it's still early in the states. I'm not saying I lean town on her, I haven't seen enough.

I hope this afternoon to at least give some town leans though I struggle early with reads especially in a two mafia set-up. I should be back between 2:00 and 4:00 EST.

Lots of linki I didn't read.
by juliets
Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:05 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:10 pm Can someone explain the radishes case to be? Is it just “he hasn’t made enough of an impression”?
As I was reading through today every time I came to a Radish vote it seemed like it was out of the blue so I also have the same question as Nanook. What is the case? Maybe people made one a long the way and I just didn't put all the pieces together but if so please put it together for me.

I'm feeling good about sig, Dizzy, JaggedJay, ted and SVS and I'm starting to feel better about Nanook. There are probably more but I'm tired at the moment and not remembering everyone.

I need to read Jack's ISO to get a better handle on him. I can understand Nutella's frustration because bad Jack "tunneled" me twice when I was civ in separate games and it was infuriating. Still, I'm not sure that's what's going on here and I need to put together why he's got so many votes. I am notoriously bad at reading Jack though as everyone who played Inception remembers I'm sure.

S~V~S's thoughts on nutella sway me to start leaning town on her. I will ISO her as well just to make sure.

As I said, I'm tired and not feeling well at the moment so I'm going to rest for a bit and come back to start digging in.
by juliets
Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:27 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

ISO of [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

I'm spoiling this because it's long. I mentioned just about everything he said some relevant, some not. I tried to capture my comments in blue.

I see pluses and minuses as I expected I would. I think the thing that bothers me most is he went from calling nutella a suspect "maybe" to voting for her in the space of 3 minutes. It seems like his mind was made up so why post that "maybe"? It just rubs me the wrong way. Also, I mentioned before and thought about it as indicated while doing his ISO that he pursued me with a vengeance twice before when I was civ and he was bad and his pursuit of nutella here reminds me of that.

On the plus side though, would Jack link us to another game where he was town and nutella bad and ask us to look at it for comparison purposes? My feeling is he wouldn't. Also he points out that he's read nutella correctly 8 games running. Would he ruin his credibility on that point going forward to get her lynched here?

Jack is very good at being scum. I need to think about and/or get feedback about my points above or other points about Jack but he is a possibility for my vote today.
Spoiler: show
- Jokes around early about the ice cream and Mac not having a big D
I believe someone else pointed out this loose and funny Jack is a townie look.

- Says Jay gets an undeserved toweread from him based on page 1
Later says this was a meta read. I don't see anything AI in this at this time.

- Early hot take, Sloonei, Jay and ted all town arguing over nonsense (not sure if he's kidding here or not).
Later, when questioned, says if he's wrong on one of them it's ted

- Says no-one is getting lynched for an ice cream vote, Michele and sig saying bet there's a scum in the vanilla voters could be distancing
Not sure why he draws this conclusion. People got lynched in other LC/BR games partly because of their Day 0 vote in the initial poll as some of us pointed out.

- Asked by Jay how Sloonei, Jay and ted fit their metas but Jack doesn't answer. Says "no".
Can't tell if he's kidding or what.

- Says he's waiting until the end of day 1 to give his 100% accurate nutella read.

- Says nutella is trending down when she says sig is sketch for claiming people were forming a town core. 7:10 pm
I thought nutella's post sounded kind of forced so I don't disagree with him here.

- Says sig is probably town.

- Agrees with Jay that Radish is a net negative

- Says his suspects are Michelle, Nanook and nutella (maybe) 10:53 pm

- Says nutella is playing like she is mimicking her town game or she's town. 10:54 pm

- Says nutella is showing waffles, Wim, and opportunism and votes her. 10:56 pm
Goes from nutella is "maybe" a suspect to voting for her in 3 minutes. This is ngl.

- nutella posts wtf is this and Jack responds "thanks for sticking to the script and confirming my read"

- Says nutella does not really suspect him (after she votes for him), sig or Nanook

- Jay asks how he differentiates between a nutella who looks like her town self and a nutella who is her town self. Jack says "One waffles and doesn't show opportunism. The other shows opportunism and says she's waffling."
Actually a pretty good answer if it's true.

- Says if his read changes he'll say he was just trying to provoke a reaction but thinks she's a baddie.
I think I have seen Jack do this before but I don't remember specifics.

- Mac says he thinks Jack is lying, Jack responds so lynch me.

- Reason for his Michelle hot take: she hasn't been around and he sees more wim from her when she's town and there's a certain feel to content that he's not seeing here.

- When challenged by Jay says Michelle rarely has a low post count.
At this point though (11:43 pm) Michelle has probably been in bed for hours. I would think Jack would know about her time zone, he's played in as many games with her as I have, maybe more.

- The next morning he says Ok, Michelle is town. (She must have posted that morning.)

- Says he' unlynchable.
Does this every game.

- Town reads: sig, Michelle, Jay, S~V~S, ted, sprityo in about that order
My reads are very similar but just because his thinking here aligns with mine doesn't make him town.

- Says he's read nutella 8 games running on Day 1 correctly and here she is bad.
I have to admit this is pretty impressive. Would he say this if he is scum?

- Agrees with ted that Nutella's vote for him is fake as fuck. Not voting him because she thinks he's evil, voting him because she is defending herself.

- Provides a link to a game he and nutella played asking me, Jay, and sprityo to read it with the thought he is town and she is scum.
I haven't read this yet but I'm doubtful that Jack would do this as scum.

- Argues that Wolfjack would never go all in to Lynch someone Day 1. If nutella was really mafia and he was bad it would put him in the cross hairs of the other team and if she's town he loses all cred. He has a history of catching wolf nutella and linked us to a game where she did the same thing as she's doing here.
Pretty good argument for Jack being town though if nutella is mafia and Jack town her mafia team would still have him in their crosshairs.

- Responds to sprityo saying he is wrong about how odds work and he (Jack) is clearly fucking town and clearly right about nutella.
His emotion does not seem faked here but I can't forget how he pursued me with emotion in a game where he was bad and I was town. Jack plays the scum role well.

- Says two of his voters aren't paying attention and have demanded he be more town even though he's presented a case on a wolf. One voter misunderstood something he said and is voting on that. One voter is clearly bullshitting and is a wolf and he can't remember why Jay is voting for him.
by juliets
Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:14 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

I'm going to look at Master Radish next and then nutella.
by juliets
Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:17 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:14 pm
juliets wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:14 pm I'm going to look at Master Radish next and then nutella.
Any reason for the order here considering Nutella is present and Radishes is not?
nutella will take me longer and I don't know that I can finish her tonight. I guess I could do as much of her as I can tonight and post it and finish her in the morning, so I'll do that.
by juliets
Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:33 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

ISO [mention]nutella[/mention]

Ok, I'm pooped. As in tired, not as in poo. I have to stop in the middle of this ISO and things were just starting to get spicy.

Nothing too much in this first part of the ISO. Overall, I know nutella jokes around during games but look at the beginning of this ISO. Her joking seems prolonged to me, is she trying to make a good impression? As I said below I need to look at another couple of games at the beginning to see if I see the same thing. (The game Jack linked for example and one where she was town). Maybe some of you can remember whether this is indicative of her every game.

There is the post about sig that I didn't like but thats mostly because of the language. It struck me as too casual, and I don't know how to describe my feeling except to say the tone seems to be wrong. I pointed it out below.

People have said they see no emotion in her posts and I have to disagree with that. I see exasperation, frustration and what I would call anger in the last posts I've listed here. I'm not saying that means she's bad but it's curious to me that others have read the same and didn't see any emotion.

I can't make a call on her until I finish her ISO which I will do in the morning, early. I'm going to leave the page open so I'll know where I stopped so it will probably look like I'm here all night but I really won't be. I'll hang for a few minutes and see if nutella wants to respond to anything before I go to bed. Sorry I can't finish it tonight but I'm at my limit.
Spoiler: show
- Starts out goofing around about the ice cream, I see nothing AI in this.

- Says she hasn't played with ted before but likes his style.

- Says she hasn't played mafia in two months and hi (to someone, I don't know who).

- JJJ says she is talking in complete sentences like she did when she was bad in Arrowverse as opposed to the way she posted in the Wire where she was town.
She makes a couple of funny posts about this, doesn't treat it seriously. I'm not sure if Jay was serious or not but if he was she never addressed his point.

- Asks ted about his "garbage" post

- Jay says Tony is mafia because of his joking entrance. Nutella disagrees with this read.
Is this because she has entered joking as well?

- Continues to joke around with/about Jay and Sloonei.

- Joke posts with/about Sloonei, Master Rabbit, Nanook

- Says Sloonei is mafia, she says to him she says this every game but this time she means it

- More ice cream joking.
She is now about 38 posts in and most have been joking. Is this AI or no? Need to check another game or two of hers. At this point it looks like she's trying to be entertaining (and she is funny) maybe because it might throw people off?

- Says she had a mind meld with Jay and Sloonei that sig is sketch claiming people are trying to form a town core and sig is scared of any perceived town coalescing.
I don't like this post. Her language seems forced casual "hella sketch", "k", "scurred" and it feels like she is jumping on this so she can agree with Jay and maybe Sloonei. This doesn't feel like authentic nutella to me.

- Says she agrees with Dizzy's assessment that Sloonei is not town core (so I guess I'm wrong about her wanting to agree with Sloonei).

- Jokes about a Sloonei vs. Dizzy fight.

- Jokes about different spreads.

- sig brings up possibility that Radish slipped when he used the term baddie in the thread, said there was an old timer in their scum bts. Nutella's response was "Come on, that's just too out there".
I thought it was a stretch as well so I agreed with her comment.

- Brings up that the hosts used the term baddie in the OP.

- When sig asks Epi and Mac to confirm it could be a slip, nutella says: "Dude read LC's intro posts. If nothing else he got it from there. But regardless it's not an uncommon generic term. Slip, my ass." I don't disagree but this seemed too strongly worded, like she was exasperated. Why would she be over this?

- Then she quotes where LC said the word baddie.

- Responds to Nanook saying the fact that he was unable to hold back from posting which should tell people he's town by saying "in Inception you pretty much held back until Day 2"

- Next post responds to sig's suspicion of Nanook by saying she's inclined to trust him (sig) because of his confidence and because of the difference she saw in Inception and this game.

- Agrees with Jay's read list pretty much except Mac is showing some promise now that he's here and she's waffling on sig (this was about an hour and 45 minutes or so from the time she says she was inclined to trust sig's read so something may have happened in that time period to cause a change of mind. I don't have time to check it.)

- Votes Nanook (so I guess she still is inclined to trust sig's read. Odd given she was waffling on sig literally 3 minutes before.)

- Laughs at Jack's Nutella (maybe) post. Says next time we should do salad dressings.

- Responds to Jack's "she's mimicking her town game or she's good" by saying "lol what is this garbage. u bad bro?"

- Then says "im jack and ive never been wrong about nutella before so i have to put a maybe she's town in there to cover my ass"

- Next post:
"are you like, reading from a clipboard? seriously what is this?
what have you done with jack??
would you actually be this obvious tho??
[VOTE: JACK] aubergine"
by juliets
Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:47 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Ok [mention]nutella[/mention] thanks for your response. I'll finish looking at you early but I know you won't be in the thread until late morning my time at the earliest to respond.

:offtobed:
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:24 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Epignosis wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:01 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:55 pm I figure Juliets is town for doing several D1 isos and if that’s being too easy on her so be it. I can always reevaluate later.
It's busy work. I sure as hell am not going to go through all of someone's posts before there's a result, and I'm certainly not doing so ending up with, "Yeah, this person is a possibility for my vote."

Uh. :shrug:

That's very unlike juliets. I'm sorry.
I guess I got up at 5 am needlessly then to finish her ISO.

By listing someone's posts though I get a feel for patterns if there are any in a way that someone else can see what I'm talking about. Or I can see build up or progression in someone's reads or lack thereof which I thought I saw in Jack's posts when he went from maybe nutella to voting nutella in 3 minutes.

In Inception when I decided to track the the voting which was wild and crazy in Day 1 people also said I was doing busy work to look involved. But tracking those votes helped me immensely as time went on and others referred to them later as well.

So I tell you what. I'll finish the ISO of nutella without summarizing her posts, maybe that will work out ok.

As for asking questions I'll get to that. There are just too many people right now and I have a schedule that doesn't allow me to stay current. As I read I have questions but since I'm behind nine times out of ten someone asks them before I get to the end of my reading. When I'm caught up you'll see that change.

One last think, Jack's insight about my wrestling with whether he is scum was right on target. For those that don't know, I made a decision in F4 of Inception to believe Jack was civ over Lexi (LLD) and lost the game for the town based on that decision. It was crushing, and I've stayed away from mafia ever since. So I see red flags of caution when I am assessing him now.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:43 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

OK, I'm up to date. Going to finish looking at nutella and then Radish and speed. They will be shorter so it won't take as much time. I'll leave this page open and check back to keep up with the posts while I'm working.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:26 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
Replies: 8443
Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

S~V~S wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:48 am
Spoiler: show
juliets wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:24 am
Epignosis wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:01 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:55 pm I figure Juliets is town for doing several D1 isos and if that’s being too easy on her so be it. I can always reevaluate later.
It's busy work. I sure as hell am not going to go through all of someone's posts before there's a result, and I'm certainly not doing so ending up with, "Yeah, this person is a possibility for my vote."

Uh. :shrug:

That's very unlike juliets. I'm sorry.
I guess I got up at 5 am needlessly then to finish her ISO.

By listing someone's posts though I get a feel for patterns if there are any in a way that someone else can see what I'm talking about. Or I can see build up or progression in someone's reads or lack thereof which I thought I saw in Jack's posts when he went from maybe nutella to voting nutella in 3 minutes.

In Inception when I decided to track the the voting which was wild and crazy in Day 1 people also said I was doing busy work to look involved. But tracking those votes helped me immensely as time went on and others referred to them later as well.

So I tell you what. I'll finish the ISO of nutella without summarizing her posts, maybe that will work out ok.

As for asking questions I'll get to that. There are just too many people right now and I have a schedule that doesn't allow me to stay current. As I read I have questions but since I'm behind nine times out of ten someone asks them before I get to the end of my reading. When I'm caught up you'll see that change.

One last think, Jack's insight about my wrestling with whether he is scum was right on target. For those that don't know, I made a decision in F4 of Inception to believe Jack was civ over Lexi (LLD) and lost the game for the town based on that decision. It was crushing, and I've stayed away from mafia ever since. So I see red flags of caution when I am assessing him now.
I find this post reassuring, tbh. Epignosis. Bad Juliets is nervous Juliets, especially when she is in the spotlight and being pressed. I don't even remotely see that here. I see vaguely annoyed Juliets, which is civ Juliets in my book. Unless there is a big change, I won't be voting for her anytime soon.

I also just read back over Nutella, and, again, I am not seeing what I look for when she is bad. Nutella is like you for me, Epi, in that when she is bad, I feel an undercurrent of "mean" in her posts, like the "silly civs" lulz are spilling from the chat into her game. Just that tinge of snark. It's totally absent, and while Jack may read her amazingly well, there will be the first time he is wrong, even if he isn't misreading her intentionally. So I am not going to trust his feels over my own, especially when I think HE may be bad.

I expect to be more busy at work today, but I will be around for EOD from about 4ish on, hopefully I can stay up until the end. When I do have time, I plan to reread a few people, I know I am susceptible to buddying, and a few people gave me some heebies and maybe even some jeebies. Leaving my vote where it is for now.
I am just about to post the rest of my ISO of nutella, but I want to acknowledge here that I agree with your take that mean nutella is bad nutella and I just don't see that at all in her ISO. The snark is missing.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:40 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

ISO [mention]nutella[/mention] continued:

Here's the rest of what I see in Nutella's ISO. I tried to concentrate more on what I think/feel about her comments.

There are puts and takes but overall I don't see this as bad nutella. She says some things that make me feel not good about her and Mac's forceful suspicions made me more wary about her than Jack's but overall I just don't think this is bad nutella. As I just said in my response to S~V~S her tone is missing the snark and thread of meaness that I have seen when she's bad.

Also, after reading her thoroughly and thinking about Jack's ISO overnight and seeing his comments after my Iso I feel better about him this morning. Not ready to clear him but feeling better than I did yesterday.

Off to breakfast and then ISO Radish and speed.
Spoiler: show
- nutella asks Jack how he determines "opportunism" and I didn't see and answer from Jack. [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] I asked a question about opportunism as well and you pointed me back to your ISO, only there's nothing there that answers my question. "opportunism" is a word that doesn't mean much to me - can you just give and example of where she was "opportunistic"? I really don't understand what you're saying about her when you use that word.

- nutella calls Jack's posts fake and calls him a wolf. This ngl but she has since changed that opinion. I see this as an emotional response.

- she says to Jack "if you really think you are right here prepare for an ego check". I liked this comment, it sounded like she really meant it to me.

- she expresses an early scum lean on speedchuck.

- Nutella is answering every post of Jack's that says something about her which looks good to me. I think if she were bad she would ignore some things because there were just so many and why highlight how much he believed she was bad.

- ted says she's ate-ing and she disagrees. I think she is too but I don't necessarily read that as a bad characteristic.

- ted asks for explanation for her reads and she says at this point they are mostly meta and gut and general overall tone. I see this as an honest answer, she doesn't try to pick a few reads and present them as though she had evidence. I don't think there is much evidence this early on so I respect her for this. I think scum would try to say a bad read was more than just gut and tone.

- she votes for Radishes agreeing with Jay that Radishes takes are forced garbage. At this point she has moved off declaring Jack is bad and has acknowledged that he could just be wrong town.

- goes back and forth with Mac over his feeling that she's bad. There back and forth gets confused over whether they are talking about Michelle or Jack. Mac is adamant that she is bad and his reasons affected me more than JAck's reasons.

- answers Jack's example of something she posted (in between the time he said Nutella (maybe) and voted for her) by asking how what she said is more like scum nutella than town nutella. I thought this was a good point, she does post things like that when town.

- still answering all of Jacks posts, then says: "Guess I can't win here. I just ask that you step back and ask yourself if I really, actually look like scum nutella. Because I don't think I do. I'm not holding back or being careful like I would as scum and like I'm sure I did in the Aussie game (because I fully knew how bad I looked there all through it). I'm posting more, and more freely, than I think I could as scum. But hey I'm biased. You're the real expert here." I do agree that her posting seems free and frequent and not careful, her responses are usually quick and sound like they are unfiltered. I need to compare that to a game where she's scum but this rings true to me.

- she votes Mac. I'm not wild about this vote, it reminds me of her vote for Jack.

- agrees with Epi that my ISO's are busy work and not insightful. She's entitled to her opinion.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:42 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] I see your question but I'm desperate for coffee and something to eat. I'll answer you as soon as I get back.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:19 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

tedxtr wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:35 am
G-Man wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:31 am Orange, JaggedJimmyJay? I make three posts, and that’s enough to land me in orange instead of neutral gray?

In a way, I guess I see it, what with the diarrhea-of-the-mouth-inducing playstyle you and others prefer. You have offended me, sir, and now I intend to bury myself in the deepest red of your rainbow reads so that I may ignore your demands for more content.

:pout:
If a post exists, then "gray" is not happening. That's for cowards. Do your thing, and I'll see what I see.
that's what he said about g-man.

juliets! can you describe JJJ's meta for me real quick please?
Ted, Jay is one of those people that feels like he can read people off of an early post or an early couple of posts. I don't see anything odd about him saying if a post exists there is no gray.

Beyond that "old" JJJ was all over the thread with tons of posts for the time that he was alive. The day of reckoning came on that though as he described earlier in the game and he dialed back. Still though I expect him to question things, make incisive comments, publish rainbow lists or otherwise keep us up to date with how he's feeling about people, and asking us to participate in thought experiments. For example, in some situations where people have a lot of votes he will ask us to tell why that person is civ, so looking at the devil's advocate position about someone.

If there is something specific you are asking about I will answer to the best of my ability. I'll keep an eye out and otherwise I'm on my way to look at Radishes.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:29 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

ISO [mention]Master Radishes[/mention]

Let me start by admitting a bias. Radishes was one of my favorite people I met during the championships on MU. I heard from several people that he was a masterful player so I was so happy when he signed up for our Invitational (that was the Inception game). In that game he was downright brilliant as the independent who lived until the end and won (along with that damn mafia). In fact he won a Socky for his performance there. So I was thrilled when he decided to give us another try by playing this game. Therefore, my heart is heavy that he has so many votes here and is in danger of getting lynched. I hate to see new people, especially ones I'm attached to, get lynched in early game. I know this is a weakness of mine and I'm trying to guard against being swayed by these feelings.

With all that bias admitted I believe I was objective in going through his ISO. I didn't see any flailing and I didn't see anything I interpreted as fake. I saw a calm and collected Radishes who was genuine. I do not lean scum on him after reading him closely.

People I respect and am leaning town on voted him however and I'm asking them (and anyone else) to help me see what I am missing here. What is the case against Radishes besides flailing and sounding fake? Am I missing the point entirely?
Spoiler: show
- He starts the game with some casual conversation and points out (rightly) that the poll doesn't say anything about it being about ice cream. I liked his entry in the game, he seems relaxed and ready to play.

- Makes the post people have talked about where he says "I'm half-heartedly reading through. Do you guys ever stop talking about hidden significances behind your choice of ice cream flavour? Do I need to care about this conversation?" Others have said they didn't like this post but I thought it was normal for someone who isn't used to polls meaning something and there being prizes associated with it.

- Voices a thought that S~V~S's posts could be from scum - not are but could be. I don't agree with him here, I didn't see her posts scummy at all but I have played with her for 9-10 years and this is his first game with her.

- Still in Day 0 says he likes nutella so far but doesn't have a reason why. Asks for meta on her. He's played with her before so I was a little surprised he asked for meta. I guess though he had only played with her once? Sloonei answers his question and he says he will see how she evolves. Fair answer I think at this point.

- Sloonei asks him his approach to mafia and he says he is not the right person to ask (though he does answer the question somewhat). I agree with him here, he could say whatever he wanted and we wouldn't really know if he was telling the truth or not.

- He later attempts more analysis about himself. I like that he admitted he is not afraid to bus when bad and likes to sneak into the town core by playing to his town meta. Would he have told us that if he were scum? It seems unlikely.

- Regarding his use of baddie: he briefly explains how he tends to adopt the language of the site he is at like he uses Indy when he's here which he doesn't use anywhere else. Otherwise he said he skimmed the posts about his use of baddie and it was pointless so he's going to ignore it. I liked this answer. I thought the whole "baddie" thing was a tempest in a teapot and he didn't spend any time defending or giving it credence. I saw this as a positive. Please argue with me on this if you see it differently.

- Notes that he normally hates Day 1s and that holds here especially since he really doesn't know many people.

- At this point he answers Nanook's question about the case on Radish by saying he thinks his posts have been deemed "fake". Help me out here people, I am not seeing the fakery at all. He seems calm to me, not fake.

- Talks about Dizzy's post about him seeming performative saying he understands why Dizzy would think that and goes on to explain why. He then makes the point that he likes Dizzy's post because it would be easy to pile on at this point but Dizzy is attempting to parse his behavior. Scum would just slip into a vote for him. I like how he doesn't argue with Dizzy about his perception but gives his own explanation, and I like that he differentiates between how Dizzy feels and his method in trying to sort Radish.

- Says pre-ISO ted leans town and Sloonei asks questions instead of helping scum hunt. I agree with the ted assessment. Sloonei's style is to ask questions though I wouldn't expect Radish to know that.

- Offers the opinion that Jack in Inception was trying to play like he is now and in retrospect he was trying to imitate his town meta in that game (Jack was bad in that game). Good insight and may be why I have mixed feelings about Jack.

- ISO's ted and labels him a light green. I won't quote it here but I thought it was a good ISO and agreed with it.

- ISO's Sloonei and comes to the conclusion he doesn't TR him but not ready to vote him either.

- Responds to Dizzy who was responding to Radish's answer to Dizzy's suspicion - is still calm, explains himself but says he understands Dizzy's perception. Still liking his answers to suspicion.

- Like's Dom's limited posts, thinks SVS is cool but doesn't understand all the TRs on her, says TSP has done nothing, what about him? Not afraid to question and voice concerns about people he doesn't know very well.

- Points out Mac's post which was just a copy of JJJ's post on reads. Then finds out JJJ was the original author and votes him because he feels like early on there would be some gray. This is not the way JJJ plays though. He feels like he can make a read if he has a post by someone so basically forces a GTH read on everyone. No gray. I don't know what to make of Radish seeing Mac's post but not Jay's. Did this strike people as suspicious in some way?

- In his last post he says: "What people are interpreting as flailing is just me knowing no one and nothing and looking for angles people haven't considered yet. I had nothing to add to the nutella/Jack debate and didn't feel inclined to reread it all. (I also shaded nute way before anyone else did, and expressed my read of Jack from limited meta.)" I have to say I don't see the flailing at all as I go through his posts.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:33 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

tedxtr wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:38 am Your first line is exactly what I thought he'd be like off a skim, I just wanted some confirmation. I'm the same and the fact that JJJ didn't really comment anything on G-man's post makes me raise an eyebrow at his response to G-Man.

he looked he was completely fine with the response. i have the same type of hunting and this bothers me.
Ok, I see what you're saying I think but I did not see anything amiss with Jay's response. Wasn't he basically just saying "this is how I feel for now, I'll see how that evolves over time"?

I'm going to break for a few minutes and then look at speed.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:04 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

ISO [mention]speedchuck[/mention]

Wow, I didn't expect there to be so much of nothing here. Of the 4 people I have looked at speed is the one I'd be most likely to vote at this point in time because his ISO is devoid of his thoughts about people. So speed I'd really like you to give some of your thoughts. What do you think of Radishes, nutella and Jack to start with? What do you think about S~V~S? What about others? Are there any other aspects of the game you can comment on? I need to hear your thoughts.

Spoiler: show
- I don't understand speeds entry post about Saitama but I'm pretty sure it's because he's a character from something that I'm not familiar with. Otherwise, I see normal joking around about ice cream flavors.

- Answers Jay's query about what's going on with "nothing" and then comments that Jay has 59 posts. I would have liked to see speed give some kind of thought here, anything even preliminary.

- Says he would rather vote nutella than Jack because nutella will start scum reading him anytime (Nutella's answer was that had already started). Not sure if he was joking here or what. [mention]speedchuck[/mention] were you joking or no about wanting to vote nutella?

- Has some more joke posts about ATE and being town core.

- Says he doesn't see any ATE in Nutella's posts. I interpreted this as him not seeing any emotion in Nutella's posts which I disagree with. I see a lot of emotion.

- Says he is surprised to see nutella offended about Jack's post saying she's either mimicking her town game or she's town. I didn't see nutella as offended, it was more of a wth response. Anyway, I do understand why she responded the way she did.

- When asked about jack/nutella he says he ted's reaction was notable because he was so pro nutella. He asks ted if he knew nutella prior to this. Speed doesn't say what he thinks about ted's reaction to nutella after saying it was notable. So I'll ask now [mention]speedchuck[/mention] what do you make of ted's reaction? Like it? Don't like it? And why?

- And that's it. That's the end of his ISO.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:05 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:58 am Hee ho how mad ya’ll gonna be if I decide I townread Nutella?
You do? What the heck changed?
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:09 am
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Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Speaking of people whose thoughts I'd like to hear, [mention]Tranq[/mention], [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention], [mention]Dragomir[/mention] where are you and what are your thoughts about all of this.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:20 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

tedxtr wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:27 am Hey I think G-man has decent odds at flipping scum by the way, anyone wanna talk about it?

Also, MR has been talked about by everyone early game, everyone threw jabs at him but he never got hard pushed so it makes me happier to see his wagon grow.

So was G-Man, but a much lower percentage.
G-Man wrote: Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:31 am Orange, JaggedJimmyJay? I make three posts, and that’s enough to land me in orange instead of neutral gray?

In a way, I guess I see it, what with the diarrhea-of-the-mouth-inducing playstyle you and others prefer. You have offended me, sir, and now I intend to bury myself in the deepest red of your rainbow reads so that I may ignore your demands for more content.

:pout:
This post comes to mind as a scum post. I need to check if triple J commented anything on this because it's a horribad post
I looked over G-Man's posts and I don't see very much at all. My memory is he is usually more active than this though the caveat there is he just started a new job and may not be able to post from there and then he doesn't want his wife to know so that limits him at home. S~V~S's post about him niggles at me though because she's right, he hasn't tried to engage her at all and his posts have been blendy. It bothers me but I want to give him more time to get involved given his circumstances.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:29 am
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Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:19 am Here’s kinda my read progression.

1) Nutella throws out some opportunistic takes on Sig and iirc, Nanook. That is, she pointed out a little not that scummy thing in Sig’s massive iso of purity which made it look like she was trying to get a mislynch. Then Nanook has a fair amount of early suspicion and it felt like she was like “oh yeah, me too” which felt like a wolf that just wanted to get a lynch not on her team, not a real thought.

1.5) At the same time, Nutella is kinda giving off townie tone outside those two posts. She’s waffley but to the point where she is saying things like “I am waffley” so it could be fake. She’s also posting a ton and Nutella tends to post less as a wolf.

2) I express that maybe Nutella is scum. Cause she’s hitting scum and town baseline behavior.

3) Nutella is immediately like “This is garbo.” This feels like a bad reaction for the reasons Jay pointed out. The last time I caught Nutella day 1, we thunderdomed and it felt fake but she skated and killed me night 1. So it really felt like wolfNutella gearing up for an inevitable confrontation. I’m not sure what the townie perspective is for her reaction.

4) I reread the Sig/Nanook posts and see Nutella call my suspicion of her garbo so I vote for her.

5) Nutella reacts as follows and it really reads like “I don’t even suspect Jack because would wolfJack even do this whatever I’m going to vote for him anyway.
nutella wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Tue Feb 25, 2020 11:56 pm Specifically, Nutella is showing waffles, wim and opportunism.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine
are you like, reading from a clipboard? seriously what is this?

what have you done with jack??

would you actually be this obvious tho??

[VOTE: jack] aubergine
And as I’m reading these posts, my scumread on Nutella is reinforced. She really does look bad from these posts in a vacuum.

6) We fight for a bit and then I leave. Then Nutella is like “Jack is probably town and wrong.”

7) ???????? Idk I haven’t read all this shit. Votes move to Radishes and come off me cause duh I’m town. And they pile onto Nutella, which implies she did something else scummy or people agree with my points.

8) Jay points out to Nutella “AHA! You shouldn’t suspect Jack for suspecting you!” and Nutella is like “No shit but what am I supposed to do?”

Then Nutella continues to hit her stride without letting herself get pulled into the thunderdome, not having mean wolf reactions, etc.

But the other thing is that almost half the players are scum and I have a bunch of townreads.

So I’m like “Either Nutella is a wolf and is handling me way better than she did last time and is mimicking her town game better or she’s a townie who had three scummy looking reads on D1 and statistically, some of my other reads are probably wrong.”

And then there’s multiball to take into account. Does wolfNutella look townier because it’s multiball and age can go after people? Does townNutella get unfairly dinged for scummy looking reads when she’s going to actually hunt regardless of alignment and so the very basis of my “Nutella does not believe these reads” line of inquiry is wrong on its face?

Idk. I kinda want to give her another day.
I like your progression Jack especially your last paragraph and after doing her ISO I would like nutella to have another day to be able to engage in observations and suspicions apart from answering the suspicions of her.

If you take your vote off of nutella where would you move it?
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:30 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Dom wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:28 am People who look yucky to me (in no particular order):
--Jack
--nutella
--Mac
--G-Man
--juliets (a little)
Dom, I'm interested in why I look a little bad to you.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:33 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:31 am I have no idea where I’d put my vote now. Maybe on Radishes but that feels like a cop out because I don’t suspect Radishes I just don’t see anything townie in him and he’s probably the player here whose game I have the weakest grasp of.
What are your thoughts about speedchuck at this point?
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:36 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:34 am
juliets wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:31 am I have no idea where I’d put my vote now. Maybe on Radishes but that feels like a cop out because I don’t suspect Radishes I just don’t see anything townie in him and he’s probably the player here whose game I have the weakest grasp of.
What are your thoughts about speedchuck at this point?
He barely exists. Babies are time consuming though.

Also, as an alternate universe version of me, I don’t know what his beef with pineapple on pizza is.
Ok, fair point. Also pineapple on pizza is icky.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:43 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Turnip Head wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:39 am Bad Nutella might get "mean" as suggested by someone, but good Nutella gets angry when she's wrongly suspected :shrug2: I don't see that anger here
I thought she did sound angry though. My interpretation of her vote for Jack is that she lashed out in anger.

I just went back and looked at your ISO because I couldn't remember the specifics of why you suspected her to see what I missed but I couldn't find any specifics. Could you elaborate a little more on why you find her suspicious?
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:46 am
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Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Epignosis wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:36 am [VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine
Epi, would you share your thoughts on speed?
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:00 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:51 am [VOTE: Speed] aubergine
Good morning (or afternoon) Dizzy. Would you share your thoughts on speed? If you already did so and I'm not remembering just send me back to your ISO.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:01 am
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Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Turnip Head wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:54 am
S~V~S wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:49 am First, this rethinking of his thoughts makes Jack look better to me. It would be an easy coast for him to blow it off as, "I've never been wrong before :shrug: " as a baddie, rethinking himself seems more a civ thing than a bad.

Second @Turnip Head in the last game I played I was BTS with civvie Nutella. She took suspicion in that game, and I don't recall anger as a reaction, I recall exasperation, which I have seen here. Elaborate plz, tell me what I am missing.
juliets wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:43 am
Turnip Head wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:39 am Bad Nutella might get "mean" as suggested by someone, but good Nutella gets angry when she's wrongly suspected :shrug2: I don't see that anger here
I thought she did sound angry though. My interpretation of her vote for Jack is that she lashed out in anger.

I just went back and looked at your ISO because I couldn't remember the specifics of why you suspected her to see what I missed but I couldn't find any specifics. Could you elaborate a little more on why you find her suspicious?
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lol TH but really, please share some specifics.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:06 am
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

I never took that break I was going to take so I'll be afk for about 30 minutes.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:52 am
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 am Meh
Vote Dizzy
Wait, what? TSP please share what you are seeing here.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:05 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:57 am By the by, Dom adding to my wagon is pretty bad. Like it was a shit wagon. There were absolutely scum on it.

If I ignore my Nutella read and attempt to read the wagon of Jay, Sprityo, Dom, SVS, Epi and have to pick one player out of that list that reacted scummy to the wagon, it's Dom. Then it's SVS but the only other thing suspicious about SVS is her handwaving Nutella suspicion, which only makes sense from a town or a partner with Nutella wagon. That is, I'm not going to pursue SVS based on her vote, just that I don't like it and it was the weakest, most out of character reason to vote for a large townie wagon compared to Jay, Sprityo and Epi's votes, which were fine and basically NAI.
Jack, I'm not understanding what you're saying. You talk about the wagon of Jay, Sprit, Dom, SVS, Epi - but they voted for different people. And it doesn't look like you're looking at everyone on the large wagons. When you say "...of that list that reacted scummy to the wagon" what wagon are you talking about?
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:09 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:00 pm
juliets wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:52 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:42 am Meh
Vote Dizzy
Wait, what? TSP please share what you are seeing here.
I gotta feeling
I understand but I don't know what's behind your feeling. and would like to know.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:27 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:09 pm
juliets wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:00 amGood morning (or afternoon) Dizzy. Would you share your thoughts on speed? If you already did so and I'm not remembering just send me back to your ISO.
Good afternoon in my case. I have no thoughts on Speed at all.
I still probably don't trust Radish. He seems more genuine and unguarded now, but that was after I pointed out my specific gripe with him which he understood very well. But also I feel kind of bad voting there, cause I like him and he hasn't played here a lot and he's putting forth a lot of effort. Honestly I keep thinking "but I like them" every time I think about who I want lynched, so I may just not take this game so seriously tbh.
Regarding Nut I somehow have more clarity (though not a confident read). Since it's not longer Jack and Mac being "she scum for meta" and then Juliets and S-V-S being "she's town for meta". Based on what I've read, the meta points more to her being town, especially now that Jack is more unsure. I'm not very interested in lynching her.

I wonder if it could really be as easy as Nanook and Radish. Nanook choosing Nut over Radish for meh reasoning stuck out to me. And Nanook reacting big to the whole "baddie" usage discussion. It seems almost too obvious, but sometimes players react obvious.

In other words, I really need people to die to get something to work with.

I also could easily lynch G-man or someone else with low content that doesn't otherwise strike me as towny. Only think I remember from G-man is his weird over explanation of why he chose the vanilla flavor.
Ok, I'm onboard with your thinking because much of it is similar to mine. I am actively looking for someone to vote and speedchuck is a possibility but I need to look at some others who have low content like he does. sabie has low content but I know it takes her awhile to get going in a game and then if she's civ she's helpful so I don't want to vote for her at this point. Also your point about Nanook reminds me that it's time to take another look at him. I'm not used to his game and I'm trying not to be influenced by his sarcastic manner. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.

Whoa lots of linki, I'll read after I post.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:29 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

speedchuck wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:19 pm
juliets wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 10:04 am - Says he doesn't see any ATE in Nutella's posts. I interpreted this as him not seeing any emotion in Nutella's posts which I disagree with. I see a lot of emotion.
Nah, I'm talking about APPEAL to emotion. The idea of 'OMG how could you do this please lynch this person and not me because I'll feel just so awful if you lynch me uwu'

I hate appeal to emotion and it's lost several games to scum on this site.
Ok speed thanks for the clarification.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:33 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:21 pm
juliets wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:09 pmI understand but I don't know what's behind your feeling. and would like to know.
Do you have a read on me, Juliets?
I'm leaning town on you Dizzy, you are loose and free and throwing out thoughts and questions left and right. Right or wrong, this is behavior I associate with town Dizzy.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:40 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Sloonei wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:31 pm I’m still sick and my head still hurts, so I probably won’t have a ton to say today again. This sucks.

I have an actual case against Radishes. I’ll post it if I find the energy. I have some things to say about speedchuck too. Saying those things requires less energy.
I'm sorry you're sick Sloonei that's hell when playing a game like this and trying to keep up with life. If there is anything at all you can post about your Radish case, even if it's not the whole case, it would be very helpful to me as I am not seeing what those who voted for him are seeing. I may be biased for him because I like and respect him. I hope this is not too much to ask of you.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:50 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Dyslexicon wrote: Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:34 pm I need a nap. I probably have more thoughts, but those can wait I guess.

I want to hear from Nanook and G-Man especially probably.

What is Turnip like as scum? Anyone?
In the Yun Qui game (what game was that anybody? Can't remember the name.) he was bad and head of a team (the Yun Qui) with townies on it including me and nutella. I hate to speak for her but I think we both found him credible for a long time, he kept us working as a team and was downright charming. It wasn't at all like I see him here where he doesn't have much to say. [mention]nutella[/mention] may remember more of his behavior.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:52 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

I'm going to the gym in about 30 minutes but I'll try to look at Nanook before I go.
by juliets
Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:13 pm
Forum: Previous Sit Downs
Topic: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]
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Views: 246260

Re: Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [Day 1]

Ok I'm not anywhere near finished looking at Nanook and I have to go. I'll be gone for a couple of hours and finish looking at him.

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