The Syndicate

welp I'm not even going to try to understand these roles

how do the two options for each role promotion work? when a player promotes do they get to choose?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 3:40 pm how do the two options for each role promotion work? when a player promotes do they get to choose?

Yes, players gets to choose which promotion they want.

Do they find out what the secret aspects of each one are in order to choose?

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] can you clarify/list what abilities count as "offensive"

Somebody give me a good role k i dont know a fucking thing

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:14 pm *in the distance you hear together we ride...

Eventually you realize it's coming over the western hill... and it's getting louder...

Suddenly!

Wilgy on his horse, Sig, leaps over the hill screaming the theme we all know well.

Sig lets out a mighty "neigh!" And Wilgy rides towarrds the sunrise.

You hear his horrid singing fade away as he dissapears on the horizon.*

An early contender for the 2018 sockys

Kyle give me a cool role k

Wyvern knight sounds p cool is that what Corrin is in Smash 4 bc I love playing that character so good

Wait no that's gotta be a pegasus cause the dragon thing is like a horse kinda idk

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:54 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:50 pm Wyvern knight sounds p cool is that what Corrin is in Smash 4 bc I love playing that character so good

Corrin is an actual dragon. I think manakete? Wyvern knights ride around on the backs of wyverns like Pegasus knights do.

ah well anyway the wyvern and pegasus roles both sound pretty good. [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention] get in here bro

Ok sweet!

Uhh who wants a thing

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:13 pm Can I be a Wyvern, Pirate or Shaman?

that's so many choices aaa?!

hmm can you be trusted with a 75% kill

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:16 pm Nutella can i be Shaman?

ok sounds good sorry wilgy you weren't specific enough

TonyStarkPrime = Shaman

What happened where did [mention]MacDougall[/mention] cmon keep the ball rollin

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:38 pm Supertown Jimmy shall make a meta-judgment of mafia team selection probabilities given the following assumptions:

~~~> If the don is a Syndicate regular, he or she will be unlikely to select players who are frequently lynched on The Syndicate or exposed in POE pools.

~~~> If the don is not a Syndicate regular, he or she is slightly less likely to select unfamiliar players.

If accepted together, these premises would favor sig, DrWilgy, and Marmot.

this makes sense

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:57 pm The civilian @nutella of 2018 is a model of self-assurance and action. The nutella so far seen in Fire Emblem Draft Mafia [Day 0] is a model of nothing. Lynch her at your earliest convenience.

dude chill, the game hasn't even started lmao I'm still trying to understand the roles and shit

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:59 pm Is nutella a former RYMer or just another enthusiast of nutella cheese sandwiches?

I love nutella and I love cheese but they don't go together and I've never had a RYM account (though maybe I should get on it since I am a big music nerd)

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:01 pm

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:57 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:38 pm Supertown Jimmy shall make a meta-judgment of mafia team selection probabilities given the following assumptions:

~~~> If the don is a Syndicate regular, he or she will be unlikely to select players who are frequently lynched on The Syndicate or exposed in POE pools.

~~~> If the don is not a Syndicate regular, he or she is slightly less likely to select unfamiliar players.

If accepted together, these premises would favor sig, DrWilgy, and Marmot.

Favor use in which way?

I agree with the first point, I don't agree with the second though. If an RYMer was selected, I definitely feel they'd include unfamiliar members; they definitely wouldn't build a team of 5 RYMers. Similarly, if a Syndicator was selected, they would include unfamiliar RYMers between them. Anything else would be foolish imo.

also makes sense

hmmm this game is just a huge pit of wifom isn't it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 3:01 pm

gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:59 pm Is nutella a former RYMer or just another enthusiast of nutella cheese sandwiches?

She is the latter, and she is more than an enthusiast. She never passes on that particular lunch.

excuse me get the fuck off my forum

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:39 pm Incidentally I was just a witness in a mock trial and got fucking destroyed on cross examination . It was like JJJ level shit

lmao

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:41 pm I want reads on rundontwalk from the viewing audience immediately.

idk anything about his meta but looking at his iso he seems unafraid to put himself out there so GTH I'd say town, if he's mafia he's a pretty bold one

hey [mention]rabbit8[/mention] check this out:

the game rules wrote: Trying to extend Day 0 by not picking will result in penalties to your faction.

get in here and draft someone

sig wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:58 pm Or nutella and rabbit are both teammates.

man I would have quit instantly I can't stand the guy

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:27 pm should i assume that every player i don't recognise the name of is from rym or are there any new faces from different places?

DDL said that Dr. White is from NF

Kites wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:38 am you can’t edit posts here? is it a hidden function or to prevent people deleting their slip-ups?

editing is disabled in all mafia games here (it's available in non-game subforums) -- editing posts in mafia has always been considered a big no-no here/in related communities so that it's not unfair for someone who reads/catches up on the thread later and may have missed something that was edited (such as possibly slip-ups yes)

ok [mention]Kites[/mention] now pick one of
Marmot
Iron_Dwarf
Dr. White

and of
Fighter
Knight
Cavalier
Nomad

[mention]Dr. White[/mention] it wasn't your turn so that wasn't valid. you can only assign a role once you've been assigned

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:34 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:04 am Dr. White it wasn't your turn so that wasn't valid. you can only assign a role once you've been assigned

you're very quick to jump in helping people with general questions and getting roles out, not as much to chip in with the discussions elsewhere. Care to chip in with something new. A new nutella thought about anyone. A meaningful one please.

pretty sure I mentioned that I civ read rundontwalk in that whole exchange, at least. it's pretty early for me to form opinions on most people though... there's not much to go on and if I try to overanalyze the draft I'll just get a wifom headache

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:11 am Rabbit LC and Nutella almost perfectly fit into the three personality types pegknights usually fit into

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 11:34 am Nutella is the youngest and kindest one
LC is the calm and collected one
rabbit is the hot-headed tomboy

it's like that in every FE game I've played.

O.o

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:40 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:16 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:34 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:04 am Dr. White it wasn't your turn so that wasn't valid. you can only assign a role once you've been assigned

you're very quick to jump in helping people with general questions and getting roles out, not as much to chip in with the discussions elsewhere. Care to chip in with something new. A new nutella thought about anyone. A meaningful one please.

pretty sure I mentioned that I civ read rundontwalk in that whole exchange, at least. it's pretty early for me to form opinions on most people though... there's not much to go on and if I try to overanalyze the draft I'll just get a wifom headache

damn, here I go again. I've said this maybe every game I've played here when someone gives me an answer like yours. You townread someone and didn't scum-feel anyone out, or at least not to the point of mentioning it and that pings me. If it were any other laid back Day 0, I wouldn't mind, but there's quite a few things that happened. Call me crazy, but I'm more likely to feel someone is iffy than someone is civvy on Day 0, especially a reasonably active Day 0.

Oh yea, speaking of active. Where the hell is Epignosis? Him specifically cos I value him as a town comrade. He's usually tunneling someone hard by this time...I mean both sig and Long Con are playing. I'm disappointed.

There is one bit that concerns me, nutella, which I've highlighted. I do believe that for many players, perhaps even most, making judgments on Day 0 is beyond them regardless of activity level. They just don't try. It irks me, but it's reality. You're not a player I would associate with that approach though. Maybe you were two years ago, but your game has grown a great deal since I first encountered you, and the most evident change has been in your willingness to fling mud early and often.

dunya, I've always found it much easier to pick up on a few civ reads this early in the game than scum reads, maybe that's not true for you but it is for me. And Jay yes I have recently taken to flinging mud early on if something catches my eye, but this particular day 0 has been a strange and new situation that's been focused on the draft and mechanics so I'm not seeing the same types of interaction that I'm used to on normal day 0s, and again I don't have the patience to analyze the draft picks at least until I have some more game perspective on players to look at

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:44 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 4:14 pm Scum team now promotes, dangerous bosses that they are. All scum players with roles that have split promotions, pm me which class you want to promote to.

This is scary but good? There's a distinction between town and scum team now. We have so many roles on our side that will make the 5 scum's promotions harder to hide if we get lucky and smart. Everyone with inquisitive roles (like looking into PMs, looking into roles, etc) should really focus on the info they get back. We have 5 day phases and 5 night phases before anyone is eligible for promotion, so there's that. I know this game allows info dumping, but let's not play all our cards our in the open immediately and see what we can hook first, and then make connections later before reeling them in.

hmmmm

you've really thought about this quite a bit huh

"Disgusting."

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 5:09 pm And now I go to dominate in Small World.

Don't worry about me. I already have some shit planned for Day 1.

planned? you plan your shits?

and man it's been too long since I played that but I sorta remember ghouls are OP

[mention]dunya[/mention] sounds like you're preparing a decent shit as well. I guess that's just the meta now

god this game is so confusing, wtf is going on with the nationality stuff/Rico's army?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:04 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:28 pmwait that's wrong

What's wrong?

i live in a mysterious forest as a hermit, i asked jack if i just don't have a homeland at all and he told me that my homeland was nonspecified, and that it would be determined randomly if i am ever targeted by a nationality-related role. I'd have to assume others are like that as well.

huh...
[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] for players without specified nationality, is it randomized permanently, or is it randomized every time it is relevant/targeted?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:47 pm For me:

dunya
JaggedJimmyJay
Long Con
nutella

I'm honored

For me it would be something like
JaggedJimmyJay
MacDougall
dunya
and probably one of the new/rym players I don't know/have any connection to

but like Jay said I'd probably think about it more and try not to pick someone obvious... like him lol.

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] what do you hope to get out of this exercise? are you looking at the most common picks? I feel like it's just so rife with WIFOM I don't know where to begin

gonna iso macdougall

[mention]dunya[/mention] I read it as players without a specific nationality are randomly assigned one of the four, but it's unclear whether they are randomly assigned one for the whole game or if it is randomly decided for everyone who checks/every time it is relevant mechanically? I'd like an answer on that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:14 pm
Also I think RDW is a civ. Dunya is a civ. Epignosis and sig are sus. Jimmy is a civ. Colin is a civ. gwilikers6 is sus. Spirityo and nutella are civ. Kyle is a civ. Quin is sus. Rabbit is a civ. Everybody else is null. Brb fishing.

I can't decide how to feel about this snippet, like it's sort of adjacent to Mac's MO of tossing out early reads, but it's a much longer list of reads in random order and it smells kinda funky... maybe it's excusable since he was on vacation and wanted to just list stuff out in one post all disorganized-like because he had to post quickly? but yeah then he does the thing Jay called out re: pursuing colonialbob especially

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:46 am Hurry up I want to vote for colonial bob

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:30 am Everyone else orange. Let's lynch Jay.

these two posts, what?? dude mac what


VOTE: MACDOUGALL


linki @ kyle I'm in the same category as LC and Epi?!

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:21 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:11 pm huh...
Jackofhearts2005 for players without specified nationality, is it randomized permanently, or is it randomized every time it is relevant/targeted?

what are you asking? I don't get it.

like, there are roles that check nationality (your role, right?) so would nationality just be randomized whenever it comes up that they're checked (and possibly show up differently at different times) or does he randomly pick a nationality for those players at the beginning of the game that stays consistent?

I guess the rules say "assigned" which sort of implies it's permanent, which makes more sense, but this post by Kyle made it sound like it might be the other way I suggested:

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:04 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:28 pmwait that's wrong

What's wrong?

i live in a mysterious forest as a hermit, i asked jack if i just don't have a homeland at all and he told me that my homeland was nonspecified, and that it would be determined randomly if i am ever targeted by a nationality-related role. I'd have to assume others are like that as well.

But maybe this is saying it's not determined *until* he's checked, and then it stays permanent? Or... that Kyle doesn't get to know what he shows up as?

Mac if you have time to say that surely you have time to actually respond to the points?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:34 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:31 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:30 pm

C'mon guys don't mislynch me on the first day because I am posting with patchy reception from a phone.

Your phone has nothing to do with your suspicion of colonialbob.

*bon

henceforth coconut bonbon

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:35 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:31 pm Mac if you have time to say that surely you have time to actually respond to the points?

Sure do.

I did one long read through of the game and only picked up one ping from colonalbon. By the time I got to the end I saw he had also put forth a scum read of me. Hence my posts.

I did the big weird reads list because large game and phone. I ain't going to make a 400 player long rainbow while contending with phone formatting.

The jay post was a joke.

You also called Epi, sig, and gwilly suspicious. Bob can't have been your only ping.

Untrue. He was the only ping I saw by post during the initial read through. The rest are sus via gth.

......ok gth or no there must be some reason you named those players sus with no prompting?

"Disgusting."

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:37 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:35 pm Untrue. He was the only ping I saw by post during the initial read through. The rest are sus via gth.

How can a player be suspicious without an actual ping? Are their avatars scarier than usual?

Funny, that's exactly what GTH reads are though.

But nobody had a gun to his head? He just posted that list of names out of thin air? There had to have been some reasoning behind those reads

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:41 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:35 pm Untrue. He was the only ping I saw by post during the initial read through. The rest are sus via gth.

How can a player be suspicious without an actual ping? Are their avatars scarier than usual?

I might be willing to call colonialbob cinnabon

So you have never done a gth and called someone scum before ever feeling it until gth?

k if colonialbob is a coconut bonbon then you're Macadamia cause you're being a real tough nut to crack

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:47 pm

colonialbob wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:42 pm And also, Macky D, I've made more posts since then, as have others. Am I still your only ping?

I haven't really felt bad about anyone yet and your more recent posts are fairly sincere sounding.

yeah this is not the mac I know. u bad

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] ok so it's permanently randomized but not until it becomes relevant? kyle's post implied that you would randomize it the first time it became relevant, not right off the bat at the beginning of the game. and sorry one more question, does the player find out what their randomized nationality is when it is chosen, or is it only revealed to the checker?

hmm I want to believe Mac, idk if he'd fake the not knowing alignment thing as scum and it checks out with him being on vacation

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:50 pm hmm I want to believe Mac, idk if he'd fake the not knowing alignment thing as scum and it checks out with him being on vacation

Explain the relevance of how "it" checks out with him being on vacation. What is it? I don't follow.

His confusion about alignment. He probably missed when the rules were clarified

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:21 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:15 pm

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:57 pm

Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution?

So in a game in which one is to determine who received a mafia role one should utilise no intuition whatsoever? Interesting. I have been playing the game wrong for 7 years.

This is a bad reply. I clearly know how to play mafia, and you clearly are twisting what I said. You couldn't have possibly had gotten any solid info on that many people enough to make that many reads at the time you posted that in the thread. Gattling a ton of random reads doesn't really give us much except possible connections back to you for later game. If you were vacationing why choose this as your one contribution to the thread? Once again, seems to be you attempting to set up a presence in the thread with those "reads".

The Syndicate has something weird here called Gun To Head reads (which I think are easy to fake, so I think the exercise is a waste of time when performed in a group usually). Are you familiar with those? Because MacDougall's defense was that those fast civ/sus reads were GTH reads which is basically a game where you make a fast, uninformed decision on how you feel about players by placing them in one of two categories: town or scum--without analyzing or backing up with reasons.

Never have. Sounds futile as the only benefit would be cross referencing those reads later when more alignment info is present. Seems much more of a scum ploy as I've previously explained, especially with the amount given.

I'm not usually a fan of GTH exercises. Recently I associate them with a game where Jay asked everyone to GTH read every player and he turned out to be scum. I'm sometimes okay with providing them depending on how it's asked, but I much prefer rainbows or more backed-up/nuanced reads

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:32 pm
Hey, Pegasus sister! I assume we'll never vote for each other, right?

yeah probably not elsie

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:00 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:58 pm I absolutely would fake ignorance, and I have done so before as a baddie.

I'm not Epi's teammate.

My team:
Kylemii
nutella
Sloonei
lapluie

Long Con would absolutely fake ignorance.

holy crap lmao

"hey this game is LMS right? hey Sloonei's playing this game right?"

Classic

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:35 pm wait is sloonei even playing

Quin would totally feign ignorance