The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 11:47 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 9:29 pm Myo is my favorite player, 10/10 buddying accepted.

Mac seems civvie.
Nanook seems meh, this time I'm right I swear.
I wanna lynch Sloonie, for reasons,
LC, since I've gotten away from my roots of always lynching him and him usually, sometimes, kinda always being mafia.
Ted, since I never wanna lynch Ted and I think it'll be a fun way to start the game.

If Nutella was here, she'd call this salad tho.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:58 pm
Day 3 lynch: If we haven't hit fur at this point lynch Sloonei without thinking twice.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:19 pm For the record. The "weird energy" read belongs to me on Soneji.

I have a question, is anybody pooping right now? Cuz insta lock wolf right there.

For the record! My energy composition right now is probably off because the ingredients are:

1 part MU champs spec chat influence
1 part I played three games of video mafia yesterday influence
1 part MacDougall's usual playstyle
1 part I've been off my game lately and realising that I actually can't read people as good as I thought I could
1 part this game has been kinda slow and I am having to force the reads a little bit

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:14 pm ...Mac is playing this game with a very weird energy lol but I should keep to my promise of returning his favor and just assume he's town

You already failed and have disappointed me extremely.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:20 pm Also bout to play a Turbo on MU so I'm bout to juggle.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:23 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:14 pm ...Mac is playing this game with a very weird energy lol but I should keep to my promise of returning his favor and just assume he's town

You already failed and have disappointed me extremely.

Dude I'm not here to take your tests I'm here to come to the same conclusions you come to about people but for entirely different reasons.

You promised me lock town on me and your first interaction with me was a pressure question. I've been betrayed.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:19 pm I have a question, is anybody pooping right now? Cuz insta lock wolf right there.

The game is over 24 hours old now, surely we're allowed to poop.

wait, did the pooper actually end up being scum in that game? I didn't follow past day 1

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:25 pm

Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:23 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:09 pm When I made the chain of lynches post I thought to myself "this is suspicious to noobs". So for Soneji to be the one to suspect and then vote me for it is both a surprise and also scummy.

The post is bad in general Mac if you have any intention of actually following that plan. Nor is my vote on you solely for that post, but your bad LC policy lynch push and overall bad feel for this town leader act you've been putting on.

I have a long and storied history of LC interaction that you do not have. So you shouldn't be actually judging that with any actual vigor.

The town lead act I've been putting on was an experiment where I decided to lay out a path to victory that wins the game a lot expecting people to think it sucks and I'm bad for it but I did it anyway because I like the catharsis of watching people ignore good advice and follow their noses instead. It makes me feel better and superior as a person.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:52 pm @nutella don't you think that what Sloonei is doing is actually scummy? What the fuck is the point of all this shit on page 7? This is usually a scum tell for Jay. Is it not for Sloonei?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:06 pm Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:08 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:06 pm Pretty sure we have scum Sloonei with us. Might as well end the game because nobody will believe me. Especially Nutella who perpetually lives in Sloonei's pocket.

That last sentence just isn't even close to any reality we've ever lived in.

Fuck off it is so lol.

It's just she's usually right.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:24 pm Sloonei/Mac/Nutella voting triumvirate on Long Con is such big dick energy though. All we need is Jack and Nanook and we can summon the fucking megazord.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:32 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:39 pm I would say there is probably a wolf between Nanook/Jack personally. It's definitely always Jack because Nanook is lock town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:42 pm Jack failing to summon the Zord means one of two things.

1. Jack is a wolf spewing LC TMI
2. Jack is a wolf and LC is his partner

The reality of the situation is that Jack refusing to vote for LC means he is always Mafia. This is not a meme read.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 3:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 1:11 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 27, 2020 11:17 am [VOTE: MacDougall ] aubergine

S P I C E

This is dumb but Mac knows my reaction to team ups and towncores tends to range somewhere between flat denial and restrained agreement with jokes in between.

So I kinda don’t think his treatment of me has been buddying, which makes me think he’s town.

So this is you trying to buddy him, right?

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:47 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:46 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:45 pm meh not seeing scum lc here

Quickly tell us why this is town LC and who we should vote for instead

Wtf when did sig post this? Lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:47 pm Eh I'm switchin'.

Oh fuck he voted LC.

Switchin' back.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:49 pm LC not being around makes me think it's just gonna flip town.

Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:52 pm Ugh, my comment ate itself. Gonna try posting this again.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:11 pm The next step is developing reads. So let's do that, myo! Who stands out to you so far, one way or the otehr?

I get good vibes from MacDougall. He talks a lot and it’s jokey and chaotic while still being *mostly* on topic. Chatter generates more chatter and a talkative town certainly has more momentum behind them, so I like that he’s been consistently active in the earliest phases.

The more talkative someone it, the easier it is to get a good feel of their affiliation so this kind of play-style is riskier for a wolf to take on without really getting the benefit of derailing the town, since he’s been mostly on topic.

I like the rapid-fire comments because it seems like he’s saying what’s on his mind here and now without bothering to think though how other people are going to read his comments.

Some of his comment come across as deliberately trying to get under people’s skin? I don’t love the tone of all of them but riling people up to see their reactions isn’t a bad way to get a feel for alignments, although a bit mean IMO.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:52 pm Good lord, four pages at the eod? I’m going with my gut based on my earlier reads. What’s the story with the LC wagon? Did I miss something or is it in these last four pages?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:17 pm Now vote for people to get scrap. There's a lot of it from the big boss.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:49 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 10:48 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:45 pm meh not seeing scum lc here

Thanks for this, sig, this post alone might have saved the entire game.

That post made me want to lynch you more tbh.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:45 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 2:32 pm I had multiquoted things that stood out to me as I was going and then my browser signed me out, so that’s annoying. I’m at work so I’m just going to try and recall as best I can atm.

1. I like the look of Jack atm. His vote for me, and subsequent move to someone else inactive is a method I approve of. This early in the game is the best time to vote for an inactive unless you have a solid reason to suspect someone else. I also felt like a jokey exchange between he and a Mac earlier made me feel like they are either civ/wolf or civ/civ combo. I’m leaning civ on both but more strongly feel civ vibes from Jack.

2. This might sound a little weird after #1, but I didn’t like the lengths sig went to explain that he wouldn’t normally vote an inactive but this time... etc. It felt a little like he was covering his ass before a controversial vote. Over explanation, if you will.

3. Soneji’s comment about sloonei’s “why does this exist” post felt kind of off to me. He called it clarifying, it didn’t feel like clarifying to me. It felt like an accusation. Also the rest of his post felt like a lot of questions that can make it appear like he’s doing more hunting than he actually was. Feeling a little bad about him, and possible he is covering for Sloonei?

Just a caveat, I was reading the thread at work, there is the chance I mixed up what was from which poster. I can’t look now because I’m headed to lunch and I’ve got a thing over my lunch. Those are my thoughts at the moment. I’ll vote after work.

In hindsight this post howls.

Soneji wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 12:01 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 11:49 pm Colin is a good bet to be the other one I'd guess.

I kinda think Myo is twtbw Soneji. Especially in the thread asking Jack directly for answers on things. I don't feel like Myo would do that if they were partners, but certainly not a strong read.

I would fully agree, but they're also in a considerably different environment then the norm for them so I think there is a higher chance than normal that they're clinging to the familiar. I'm getting stuck on how about ten minutes after I explain why I questioned Jack on his nutella comment, Myo makes a post justifying my suspicion with reasoning that mirrored my own, yet didn't actually accuse Jack of being suspicious. Combined with Jack's response saying my question didn't raise his suspicion on me, it makes me feel that there was a plan to pocket me which admittedly I hoped Jack if he was scum would think that he could pocket me, and held my cards close to my chest ready to likely come at him d2.

On the other hand Jack quoting Myo directly there looked like a pocket attempt, so

Spacedaisy should be the focus coming into d2, but I definitely want to see more reads from Myo because the only true read they gave was a town read on you after the day phase had ended, which doesn't inspire confidence.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:16 am Mac, can I have your scrap vote? I deserve a little scrap.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:24 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:18 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:16 am Mac, can I have your scrap vote? I deserve a little scrap.

Nutella be already up in this shit

Nutella has plenty. LC needs scrap love.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:09 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:08 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:07 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:47 am I actually just discovered something really insightful in my play that I'm never sharing with anyone.

I wouldn't put too much stock in it. You're vastly overstating your quality of play right now.

What is Mac's play lacking?

Cred for civ LC. That fact that he's "pretty sure" I'm bad is a glaring negative on his quality record.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:28 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:24 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:21 am Well, he's lucky on Day 1 that I wasn't around near day's end, because I probably would have been trying to self-preserve by the time he clued in that Jack was bad, and Jack wouldn't have gotten lynched. He did well to follow my lead on the Jack vote, so that's a positive on his record. He immediately jumped to the idea that I'm bad, both before and after I was key in the Jack lynch. So far nothing is blowing my skirt up here.

I'll say that anyone who is dead right about everyone in the game is doing well.

What was your contribution to the Jack lynch that you felt was key? This is not rhetorical: tell me as the newcomer.

I was the first to call him out as bad, and the first to vote for him. I never changed my vote, and never intended to.

If I weren't voting for Jack, he almost definitely wouldn't have been lynched.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:49 am I get that it doesn’t fit your style, but it’s a little grating to have a pretty solid scum kill on D1 just for jay to come in and kinda low key shit on the D1 play.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:40 am Interactions of Jack and Soneji

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Jack

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 26, 2020 12:56 am I figure we should give the bonus scrap to Soneji because we miss playing with him or a new player as a welcome present/wolves probably don't shoot the new players early anyway. There's three of them though, so I'm just gonna vote Soneji for scrap.

Good sentiment. Not super inspiring.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:58 am

Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:12 am Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

I mean, I think salad is a more useful tool against specific players who tend to do that, especially ones who don't know about salad and can consciously not do it. For Sig, it's maybe -5% off his townieness score. Not worth lynching for alone but relevant after being like "lol people are voting for Sig."

Soneji's question is a fair one. This dialogue is soft though so whatever.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:59 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 8:56 am Soneji just claimed mafia

Morethepeopleseyebrow.gif

Yawn

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:28 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:47 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:51 pm

Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:12 am Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.

I think this is a fair take.

I don’t suspect Soneji for asking me to clarify or think it was pointless.

This post is extremely beep boop, more than any other I see from Jack, and on that basis it bugs me for Soneji.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:33 pm

Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:31 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 9:28 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:47 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:51 pm

Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:12 am Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.

I think this is a fair take.

I don’t suspect Soneji for asking me to clarify or think it was pointless.

Those posts didn't age well though, given nutella is actually in the game now

nutella

Is this a salad?

Meaningless

Soneji

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Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:38 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 3:54 pm

Soneji wrote: ↑Thu May 28, 2020 7:12 am Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Asking questions to get a better grasp on Jack's position, rather than let him hide behind what other players would say about a post. This is called trying to establish someone's alignment through questioning, and is a good way to get both townreads and scumreads. Jack gave a solid if overly long answer to my question, so now I slightly town lean him.

The rationale is fine. Cramming "if overly long" in there isn't my favorite thing, as it adds negative energy to an otherwise positive comment -- negative energy that would seem to have no bearing on the final read. There might be some discomfort evident in that -- also in that dang word "slightly".

~~~~~

Conclusion:

I think there's room for concern about Soneji, albeit stemming from very little content.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:18 pm RIP Nanook. What happens to his scrap? Maybe the people who voted Nanook for scrap are suspicious. Maybe baddies vote scrap for each other. Not when there's three Big Swinging Dicks in the room though. What was the final tally? I should look.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:27 pm Someone bought Teleportation from the Store. It roleblocks. Someone's gonna be roleblocking each turn and knowing who isn't killing. This is good, even though they can't infodrop. Let's be aware of any funny feelings in that direction... ah the nebulous line of infodropping. Sometimes, one is just 100% sure of things and darned if I can't see why!

Myo wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:33 pm

Hacking: You may redirect your target's target to the target of your choice. (12 scrap)

Expensive mod. Would a Civ choose this? Maybe. It's a little like a self-protect from a specific person. I guess it gets more powerful the more Assumed Civs you have.

It could be used as a pseudo-role blocker to search for the killer? Redirect the person you are the most sus of back to themselves to see if the kill goes through (or if they kill themselves). Obviously depends on the OOO, but I don’t think it’s an unreasonable assumption that the kill comes later.

Myo wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:37 pm

Myo wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 11:35 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2020 10:33 pm

Hacking: You may redirect your target's target to the target of your choice. (12 scrap)

Expensive mod. Would a Civ choose this? Maybe. It's a little like a self-protect from a specific person. I guess it gets more powerful the more Assumed Civs you have.

It could be used as a pseudo-role blocker to search for the killer? Redirect the person you are the most sus of back to themselves to see if the kill goes through (or if they kill themselves). Obviously depends on the OOO, but I don’t think it’s an unreasonable assumption that the kill comes later.

Ah, wait no, nevermind. I misread the item description. I though it was a puppeting action, but it is one degree removed pupetting.That doesn't actually work then.