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by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:15 pm
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hey philosopals
by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm
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iaafr wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:21 pm didnt realize zack was a philosopher
only the best
by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:24 pm
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i will not be writing any treatises


i will not be thinking


i will not be
by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:25 pm
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oh shit my dude is actually a badass
by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:37 pm
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iaafr wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:36 pm jesus kza wtf is that avatar
it's PURUPU HAZE
by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:39 pm
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Timsup2nothin wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:37 pm shiptoasting
Did you mean: cruiseloafing
by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:43 pm
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iaafr wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:41 pmi have my ways
this man about to change the definition of a number, watch out mathematicians
by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:26 pm
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tutuu wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:12 pm my head is already spinning. i disagree with so much posts made posted itt already i dont even know where to begin lol
Wew wolfy post
by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:27 pm
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iaafr wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:15 pm
iaafr wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:14 pm i only wanted to call civ/civ for the postgame cred tbqh

and i actually know how to post towny as scum i just sandbag as town and post stupid shit because i always become obvtown anyway

we'll see if i live up to that next phase i suppose
is this a scumslip
lmao
by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:34 pm
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Alison wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.
I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far
by nutella
Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:28 pm
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Benson wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:45 pm
nutella wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:34 pm
Alison wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.
I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far
How much overlap is there between his townrange and his wolfrange?
he's kinda infamous for having insane postcount as town and for not being able to imitate his town meta well as scum, but I don't think him hitting the tiny cap early here is telling at all yet, and some of his posts do have an odd tone. however, I can easily see him doing the "I know my posts look scummy" thing as town, he did a sort of similar thing in a recent town game actually. I'm fairly confident that I'll be able to tell/have a strong townread of him by like halfway through d1 if he is town.
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:26 am
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Amy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 am and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?
I just brought that up in my post right before yours. It's not quite the same thing he did there, but you're right that he can easily be town -- it took a little bit into d1 in that game for me to feel quite right about him, and I suspect the same will apply here.
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:31 am
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Spoiler: show
...while writing that post I thought more about some stuff rabbit posted and realized he probably is just lock town lmao.
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:23 pm
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KZA wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:39 am
Benson wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:48 am Kza is probably mafia and I can read him with precision.
Hmm, try reading me with accuracy next
lmao

kza town for now
Master Radishes wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:13 am Scirrus' entrance also poor. Generic roleplay that attempts to disguise an uncomfortable thread entrance.
Hard agree with this, textbook scummy entrance.
Master Radishes wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:02 pm
WerewolfHunter wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:59 am
Alison wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.
From my experience playing, for me this isn't always the case. sometimes, evils will joke about it and actually turn out to be evil. Maybe, this site's perspective is different
Wait so this is your first post in the game huh.
Lol this too.
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:27 pm
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Alison wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:30 pm tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.

I'm gut reading proto town.

MR and tim have some W/W equity for a very "theater"-like interaction.

Benson seems like he's lonely and trying to reach out to people, which is town. Also Benson, my experience with proto has led me to feel absolutely no discomfort at his "self-conscious meta talk". I get why you feel suspicious about it - I had similar thoughts on iaafr. I'm just saying, from my own meta experience it's not something I'm concerned about.
good takes dot jpeg
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:28 pm
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Master Radishes wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:47 pm After about 30 seconds of thinking about it,
Alison wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:30 pm tutuu is town for that massive wall of text with incredibly convoluted reasoning about my alignment. Wolves don't put their mind so deep into the weeds for someone whose alignment they already know.
I'm gonna take this at face value and consider Alison town for it. It's hard for wolves to back down from an early game read they tunneled themselves in to. Not impossible, but hard.
Alison literally just identified this very thing as a scumtell of hers in a theory thread elsewhere on the forum. :goofp: :goofp: :goofp:
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:41 pm
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Alison wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:36 pm nutella/MR, talk to me about the Scirrus entrance. What makes it any different from the other "roleplayish" entrances in this game?
I'd say his is the most purely rp-based and feels detached from the game in a way that I think fits as a scum trying to appear casual upon entry
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:55 pm
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Long Con wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:32 pm
WerewolfHunter wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:38 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:36 pm
WerewolfHunter wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:32 pm Also, I am more of a post what I think type of person. Some people say that I play differently or opposite of how others do
What do you mean 'post what I think type of person'? Don't we all post what we think?
Sorry, if I didn't word this well. I post whatever is on my head at the moment even it may not be game related. I also rarely reconsider what I have typed.
I think I'm the same way. Do people ask you "why did you post this?" a lot?
why did you post this? :grin:
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:20 pm
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I didn't see a greeting post from you before that, are you sure you don't mean in the signup thread? lol
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:06 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:56 pm What is anxiety?
Tomorrow.
What's the difference between a duck?








One leg is both the same.
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:11 pm
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Eh it's a reach because we don't have private threads like on MU, it's usually only on discord, so I don't think she'd confuse it. unless maybe replying to the host pm? More likely she's talking about the signup thread.
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:12 pm
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Or yeah it could be the linki (post preview) thing came up and she didn't realize she had to resubmit. we've had new users get confused about that feature lol.
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:24 pm
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amy sus sounds good to me

inb4 i'm called out for sheeping again
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:31 pm
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iaafr wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:28 pm iaafr also noticably turned off his online indicator so that might be scummy idk (is this an angleshoot on this site?)
we mostly ignore them, a lot of people (myself included) just leave the thread open all the time so it doesn't mean anything. as a mod I can see invisible people but I don't pay any attention to it
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:44 pm
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Amy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:41 pm This is the one and only post I'm gonna use for self-defense unless this wagon sticks.

Consider this post largely addressed at Rabbit.

I'm multitabling. I'm pooped from Anni. I tend to intentionally use light games to decompress and not tryhard. And perhaps most pertinently, I'm pretty damn capable of faking joie de vivre as a wolf. It'd perhaps be harder if I was burned out from wolfing, but I've had a healthy mix of rands thus far this summer and if I were a wolf here I don't think we'd be in for a mountainado repeat. Go take a peek at my ISO in Voxx 9er if you don't believe me, but early tonereads aren't a good way to catch me.

You're correct that nothing I've posted yet is out of my wolfrange. If you're expecting me to leave my wolfrange in... 9? posts on day 0, you have unrealistic expectations for my towngame.

I was always entering this game with Zackpasta regardless of rand, it's a good pasta. I considered making a joke at proto's expense about not realizing it was a pasta but honestly I was afraid he wouldn't get that one either. Having people not realize jokes are jokes gets old.

Hopefully my future body of work will speak for itself, but I'd prefer to nip any misguided tunnels in the bud; like I said, Anni was exhausting. Will be around to post more content later tonight.

The worst vote on me is Nutella's.

1/60
I buy this for now and also I am not voting for you lol (for now :P)
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:47 pm
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zOmG eVeRyOnE iS ToWnY
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:13 pm
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goddamn postcapped games all the posts are too damn long :|
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:18 pm
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tutuu wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 10:43 pm
nutella wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:26 pm
tutuu wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:12 pm my head is already spinning. i disagree with so much posts made posted itt already i dont even know where to begin lol
Wew wolfy post
please explain yourself, member of the mafia

11/60

it was a wolfy post


your recent posts haven't been wolfy tho you seem pretty town gj
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:25 pm
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tutuu wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:18 pm lets see if i finally understood how to read long con. dont think ive ever read him right.

i think this "gotcha" post is town. ill be honest, im heavily biased to tunnel my early gut townreads and never reevaluate so idk if i can claim in good-faith that i will ever re-evaluate Long Con from this moment on (not trolling btw. sorry thats just how i am. maybe confessing of ur sins is the first step). but yeah. UNLESS he's maf/maf with Scirrus. yeah. ok. long town is con unelss maf/maf with scirrus.
i like this take

iaafr wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:19 pm i actually dont agree with that post being wolfy btw

could u spell out why you found it wolfy

it was awkward wording imo, not quite a shroop but like. "so much posts made posted itt already" idk felt wordy in a nervous way. might just be more of a personality thing from her
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:38 pm
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not chopping today
iaafr
alison
tutuu
tim
nanook
benson

probably not chopping today but need more from to be sure
scirrus
radish
lc
kza
proto

poe ish
dizzy
amy
colin
cbob
wwh


....bad sign for dizzy that i didn't even put him in the middle tier, he really needs to show up and be dizzy
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:43 pm
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already tinfoiling tutuu again rip
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:44 pm
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the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum
by nutella
Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:53 pm
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tutuu wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:45 pm
nutella wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:43 pm already tinfoiling tutuu again rip
interesting. its like i poked u with a stick and u reacted

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

nutella is my top town. (now say something)
lmao ok
tutuu wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:46 pm
nutella wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:44 pm the strength of her insistence on the proto meta read is rubbing me the wrong way, maybe it's too easy to call it tmi but it does kinda remind me of how i sometimes whiteknight townies as scum
wrong. wrong. wrong. logical fallacy for at least 50 reasons.

its a scumtell if proto was under pressure. he is not.
maybe right

maybe not

idk
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:02 am
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Scirrus wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:56 pm
nutella wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:31 am
Spoiler: show
...while writing that post I thought more about some stuff rabbit posted and realized he probably is just lock town lmao.
what post(s) made you feel that way?
tbh it was at least partially due to the stuff he said about how many posts he was going to have lmao. and just his general attitude/approach


also I just had a similar moment in thinking about protocultures and decided he's prob just town too, partially from what tutuu just said about him
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:04 am
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:59 pm
Benson wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:51 pm Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.
You're gonna be pretty disappointed!
hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:01 am
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:06 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:08 am
nutella wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:04 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:59 pm
Benson wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 11:51 pm Nanook I'm probably going to have trouble reading because of how he plays. I think and hope he'll do more elaborating on his reads today.
You're gonna be pretty disappointed!
hot take my dude you have been playing up your nanookness to such a cartoonish extent that i think it's a facade
I don't even know what this means

What is my nanookness???
@nutella still waiting for an explanation what this even means
should be obvious tbh since youve only done one thing in your posts this game and thats what im referring to

you're playing up your character of not doing shit d1 and yes you have done so a fair bit in recent town games but your tone is different here and so i have a gut read that you're faking/emphasizing it a bit unnaturally

idk it's not a strong read i'm just concerned that you don't feel quite right
Timsup2nothin wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:45 am
Scirrus wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:24 am
Spoiler: show
iaafr wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:21 pm
Spoiler: show
Amy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:06 am
Alison wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:32 pm I actually think iaafr thinking his own play is scummy, and scrutinizing it, and half-jokingly(?) calling it scummy is pretty sketchy. On average, wolves tend to be far more aware of how scummy their posts look (with some exceptions), and they often see those posts as scummier than average because they're biased knowing their own alignment. Scumreading his own play is I think a pre-emptive thing to get ahead of people who might want to call those posts out and make them feel silly for doing so.
i want it known that he did something similar in his last non-mash towngame and kept it up for all of d1. this is NAI for him
nutella wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:34 pm I agree with this yeah, I think he's deffo in wolfrange so far
and you should know this, because you were in that game. what's different about him here?

3/30
Amy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:10 am
tutuu wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:52 pm 24/30

tr on tim, i think its towny that he spent a post saying "wait did X rly do Y?" instead of taking 5 secs to scroll back and see for it himself. and im kinda feeling like he still didnt bother going back to look for it, he just assumed what im saying is true and went along with it and made a joke
this is a bad read on tim, because tim is a player who's generally extremely cognizant of his own posting and able to deliberately fake stuff like this as a wolf quite well

that said i think it's kind of villagery to make this read, maybe?

i'm torn on tutuu in general because i think the way they kinda jumped us out of shitposting phase by taking a jokepost seriously is something i've seen both alignments do and i'm not entirely sure which one i'm looking at here. gth probably v off tone but far from sure

4/30
Amy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:14 am
Alison wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:09 am If we're reading alignment based on avatars then a Your Name avatar has to be lock town right? Like that movie is on par with Madoka Magica.

Anyway even if the "call your own play scummy" thing is NAI for him I think the rest of my points are still valid.
i haven't seen madoka magica but i'm already pocketed gg

i think your disliking the use of the word "tunnel" there is again somewhat NAI for iaafr; i think there may be something to your point on potential TMI on you/tutuu but i'm not willing to go anywhere near that until people start flipping, i think

idk i guess i just struggle to see anything iaafr's really done so far as being anything other than "iaafr being iaafr"

5/30
Amy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:17 am i guess honestly given that it's d0 and doesn't matter, and that the threadstate mostly reflects this, it's probably lightly villagery in a vacuum for anyone to be actually Playing The Game at this point

which i think looks best for alison because she's taking it the most seriously

6/30
Amy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:18 am
Timsup2nothin wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 12:15 am Premature. Not bad. It was reasoned. Amy is correct that there was absolutely nothing outside my wolf range there, but as long as you give solid reasoning you aren't making a bad read. Just don't count it as a conclusion.
yeah perhaps better phrasing would have been "bad way to read tim specifically"

side note ctrl+i not italicizing on this forum is yet another reason why phpBB needs to go away

7/30
Amy wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 4:23 am
protocultures wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:23 am framing their introduction
background state of mind
this person comes to meme
and be excused for this mentality later in the game

do you not find it scummy?
it's a copypasta. i didn't write it
amy posts enclosed

these are all scum posts

first is scum post, meme copypasta that's not particularly original or fitting is >rand scum (based on experience with wiggles doing it once as scum, n=1 reads goat)

everything amy's posted so far is easily postable as scum. like scarily easily. i can't find a single thought by amy that makes me want to town her, and i don't think she'd be QUITE this underwhelming as town. think she's just low wim scum because she didn't particularly want to rand scum here and can't find the motivation to put her pride on the line by trying particularly hard. clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest). amy is just completely transparently joyless in this game, and i think that's because of her alignment.

might not be a particularly convincing case, but i feel pretty good about this scumread.

sorry if wrong, this is my d1 tunnel.

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

townreads:

nutella, tutuu, protocultures

townleans:

tim, scirrus (guttest of gut), werewolfhunter, alison, long con

null/scumlean/flipfloppy:

nanook, radishes, benson, dyslexicon, coliniscool, kza, colonialbob

scumread:

amy



not giving deep reasons for any reads except the scumcase i wrote on amy for now. will start writing towncases sometime during the day, after more stuff has happened.

tempted to put benson in townleans, but... just a bit sketched by a few little things. similar thoughts with nanook/radishes. the rest of the people in that group don't seem to be playing to be read any townier than null regardless of actual alignment, so i feel like they're pretty understandable placements. also slightly sketched by alison, but i mildly mindmelded with the early tutuu sus (before i decided it was civ/civ) and thats enough to make me gth her town.
why is nutella so high up on the list? i'm not really sure where to place her, she just seems like...kinda there to me.

Why the town lean on long con?

all other reads seem aight to me. I would personally put Benson in town tho
ColinIsCool wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:26 pm I agree more with the suspicion of Scirrus’ entrance than with the suspicion of Amy, at this point in time.
Why do you find the suspicion on me more valid than the suspicion of Amy?
Timsup2nothin wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:28 pm
tutuu wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:18 pm
iaafr wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:21 pm clarifying that the first post was a meme (and therefore invalid reason to sus) is a bit on the flatly defensive side; that sort of sus couldve been handled in a lot more playful manner (this point might be the weakest).
i mean, in my personal opinion this is a reach. i saw it as clarification for the sake of clarification, ive flatly clarified a bunch of stuff already this game i feel like (and reminder im town) altho maybe they werent flat and i just cant accurately recognize how i come off as but. mm. idk, like, ... nvm actually u do say it yourself that this point might be weakest

i like the person with the whale avatar. was it benson? i like alison's tr on him alot.

looks like im in the minority but i kind of dislike nutella? (in the sense of not townreading her obviously!). i think that shes hard to read, finding her as town in pyre mafia wasnt easy, a lot of ppl were scumreading her but i managed to do it. and in this game i feel like if she's town it's ... even harder to find her? and everyone townreading her is just making me paused. am i in the wrong here to perceive nutella this way, or am i not? that is the question

1/60
So much for doing more reading than posting, but...

I added at least some explanation to all me early feelies except Nutella, and that was just because I ran out of free post time and then spaced it.

Nutella is just a straight feelie of "forum management" that is different from when I played with her before on MU. This is a not ideal source for any kind of feelies, but I just can't help but have it. To me Nutella is juggling her position and the game, not her position, the game, AND wolfing. That is extremely soft, but if nothing else it is something I need to keep track of for my own awareness of bias. In no way do I expect to be followed on this, and in fact people who have played with her here are encouraged to tell me I'm wrong if you think I am.
i'm kinda confused, what do you mean about her "position"? Like as a moderator of this forum? And how that would bleed into her town and wolf play? Or am I just misunderstanding lol
Yeah. Mod/admins playing on their own forum are biting off a chunk that can be hard to chew. In a situation like that randing wolf is like a gut punch, because wolfing is a LOT more intensive effort. Nutella seemed to be goin' along and gettin' along and I kinda took that too much at face value there at that time. But current ISO read is telling me I may have made a mistake there.

Amy progression in particular is really bad I think.
I.....really don't understand the point you're trying to make with this? I thought maybe it was since I was being helpful and informative about site functions and stuff to the new users but I don't see how that would have anything to do with alignment or gameplay. And whatever you're saying here probably wouldn't apply anyway -- being a moderator here is really nothing like on MU, it's extremely low key, basically all I ever have to do is approve new accounts and send welcome PMs. I don't view being a mod as any kind of burden or influence on my playing mafia games on the site, I consider myself a player first and foremost and my mod status doesn't have any relevance. I get that you're used to different site cultures around that but whatever you're trying to say about me doesn't make any sense fmpov.
by nutella
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I mean we've had to deal with like four elijah alts this week and that's the most moderation stuff I've done in the whole time I've been one lol
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:52 pm
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NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:20 am I also DO do shit D1, I explicitly believe in catching mafia D1, and, most importantly, I've been doing shit on D1 this game
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:25 am Help I’m being M I S R E P R E S E N T E D

butterflyisthisamafiatell?.jpg
dude chill

yeah you've given reads. I guess more what I'm trying to say is your tone feels fabricated to me. I know that's not a productive thing to defend against but it's there in the back of my head. I said I'm daypassing you anyway, don't get your boxer briefs in a knot.
Amy wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:52 am Actually, a quick note about rabbit.

I'm not 100% sure how good I am at reading rabbit. Last game I played with him (excluding Anni, which isn't a game) I townread him very early, but largely because I had a very strong PR read on him - one which turned out to be wrong. So I may just be shit at reading him.

That said, I was hoping that his seeming inability to get his volume under control would be an indicator that I'd be able to find him obvtown and move on with my life, but I haven't. I have Concerns.

In essence, I think his reads are stickier than he'd care to admit. I think v!rabbit maybe doesn't bother to explain in so much detail why he swapped from me to nutella to me in the span of 2 minutes. And I'm concerned about the fact that he apparently feels strong enough about my wolfiness that he's willing to start making preflip associatives about it.

I also know for a fact that rabbit hates D1 wallcases, because I made an (incorrect) one in said last game we played together and he didn't let me hear the end of it. It's entirely possible that this is just his way of getting payback, but it still concerns me.

I don't wanna go here today, though. Rabbit is a slot that gets easier and easier to read as the game goes on. We check in around D3 or D4, see if there are still Concerns, and then dunk his ass if the answer is yes. Otherwise he hard clears himself and we all move on with our lives.
good post. the long post about the tim reaction test thingy was p good too. amy can be v for now


inb4 rabbit calls this w/w
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:54 pm
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Amy wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:00 am actually yeah huh nutella never actually makes a post about my slot between saying she buys my defense and dropping me in the PoE. talk to me about myself nut. where am i at for you

also nutella/iaafr never w/w ever, if nutella's a wolf she absolutely TMI'd him v

11/60 remembering to include these is hard but remembering my post total without them is going to be harder
liking your defense didn't necessarily earn you a spot outside the poe, mostly because almost everyone else is so villagery. however your post about rabbit that I just quoted did move you up
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:58 pm
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I don't really get why I'm at the bottom of everyone's list but okay, yeah I didn't explain my amy read very deeply, yeah I sheeped people's early reads, yeah maybe I'm not as obviously villagery as people who are writing more. but I'm lazy. sheeping reads and flip flopping is firmly in my town meta. i'm like a hybrid of hally and iaafr. Amy in particular may have higher expectations of my town meta based on the spec chat game because I put significantly more effort into it than games here, I almost treated it as a real champs game so it's not really a fair basis for how I play here -- Ranmilia made the same mistake in speccing the pyre game and scumreading me because I was lazier in it
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:12 pm
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has dizzy still not done anything? that's not a null read at this point. that's a straight up scumread. unless he really has had no time or anything, but I really think that if he rolled town he'd be excited enough for game start that he would have at least tried to post a few times. a silent dizzy is not a town dizzy.

[VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine



unrelated but trying to save posts: liked radish's long reads post but it's absolutely not out of his wolfrange. I value his reads on benson and kza and perhaps even more so his read on nanook based on wolfing with him, but those are all definitely "reads" he can state while not being town. and of course I value Benson's concern there as well.
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:20 pm
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Master Radishes wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:52 am
Benson wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:19 am Maybe I need to go further into what the others are thinking but my position on nutella is this:
- Noticeable lack of original thoughts/ideas that are from a villagery mindset. I've seen basically one so far. I expect a lot more.
- Following/sheeping the reads of others. I suppose this isn't *that* bad, because a wolf nutella probably knows to be careful here anyways.
- She's not really pushing in any direction either other than the ones that have already been established. But I realize I'm getting a little redundant.

Eh, it's not the worst. But I'll wait until it gets better before I take her out of lynch contention. If she's town, she'll likely get there.

What do you think of the wagon dynamic between Amy v Nute. That's what I wanted to explore today. I like the way those have developed, as in there's information there. I don't know what info, but info nonetheless. :p
This is all basically saying the same thing – she’s following, not leading. In my limited experience that’s not a scumtell for her (or, rather, I see her do that when she’s town). She’s a little less forceful than usual, e.g. I don’t recall a posts where she just says like ‘this is a wolf’ which I often see from her.

As I said in my readslist I’m waiting for the day I get fooled by her (she owes me one anyway, since I did that to her in, uh, I think it was Assassin’s Creed). But atm when I read her posts I nod in agreement and in general I think I’m pretty good at not being full-on pocketed by wolves, or at least I like to think so.

Re: Amy vs Nutella, I’m not sold on either one myself. Or do you mean specifically the wagonomics of it? Two of my stronger townreads are voting for Amy, but so is my top scumread. His was a very bussy vote though so that doesn’t sway me either way. The people on the Nutella wagon are varying degrees of ??? for me. All hesitant, uncertain townleans. In my experience that grouping contains wolves but I never find them on D1. Basically right now the wagon formation enforces my read that Nutella is probably town being nudged by at least one opportunistic wolf, but maybe Amy is someone I need to look at harder.
it was covid where you hard pocketed me and i swear to the god of vegetables if you're doing it again... :disappoint:

thanks for defending me though :P
Benson wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:40 am
protocultures wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:30 am So did a partial re-read of day 1.

Think I'm not so sus of tutuu any more. Shes probably town. Which also means Alison is more town.

I also now read Scirrus as towny.

Also can people stop reading me as town so much. I don't want to die in the night. Thank you.
Lol. I know this POV could be faked but it's how I feel as well so I want to call it towny.

---

I'm overly focusing on radish because I know him the most, but he still truly doesn't sit well with me. Like I wouldn't expect a full reads list out of him this early before he's really done significant investigative work; and he evidently hasn't done that. The list just looks like work for the sake of work. Sorry, MR, if you're town and I'm disrespecting you right now.
My new spicy take is that if we're just totally on point with nutella, then maybe he's wolfing with her. Or maybe it's a TMI read so he can salvage some town equity is she's miselimed.


Where did everyone go?
i am afraid he could be TMIing/whiteknighting me yeah

and your take on the reads list being overly busy for this early is a good one. my very vague sense of radish's meta is that he can be a bit more go with the flow as town and not do a ton of work early on and it's why he's been d1ed a few times recently, while as scum he can go pretty deep by looking villagery through some effort and developed reads. this isn't black and white though, certainly in his champs game he did a lot of high effort solving, but then again of course that's champs. but by my rough paradigm of "I should read radish the opposite of how I think I should read him because I've literally always read him wrong" he feels like a potential wolf here.
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:21 pm
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tutuu wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:19 pm Fwiw lion king just ended. He was mafia there in lylo so maybe that explains his absence
dizzy? alright that helps I guess. that's a valid reason to have low energy in another game starting. still need some kind of presence from him
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:43 pm
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Benson wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 12:58 pm Actually, I realize nutella has (and just did) follow up her Amy reads, so you can disregard that point in my previous post. I guess if anything, nute, I want to know what was your *initial* read on Amy when you voted? What specifically about her subsequent posts made you think town?
I never voted lol why do people keep saying that XD my vote for dizzy just now was my first vote!

but yes when I initially agreed with rabbit's case on amy, I thought that it made sense amy looked most generally wolfy out of the people who had participated much at that point. as she's posted more and especially with her longer posts about the tim stuff and about iaafr I think she's much more in her town meta. and I particularly mindmelded with her iaafr read.



other stuff from the remainder of page 10
-wwh seems pretty towny now, sort of a vague tone thing but the way she's trying to put in some independent work and the way she expressed her take on each tutuu quote, generally feels like her perspective is genuine.
-radish's case on scirrus made me feel worse about radish and better about scirrus.
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:46 pm
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Timsup2nothin wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:38 pm @iaafr
@Amy
@tutuu

My corner of the SS Nutella has developed a large hole and we are taking on water. It may be time to look for a different boat. Either that or some arguments as to why we should stay on board here because as I said my own argument for having gotten on in the first place has come unglued.
you don't need their approval to move your vote off me :meany:
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:36 pm
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Dyslexicon wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:29 pm Lol, Scirrus? What did you do? Did you rand scum or are you just so incredibly scummy again? =p
not the kind of entry I was hoping for :suspish:
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:18 pm
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hmm upon a very cursory glance at lion king i'm leaning slightly townier on dizzy and slightly scummier on scirrus
hmmmm
by nutella
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:17 pm
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iaafr wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:11 pm his read on me is currently correct

and if we're in the easier world where sc scum amy town (easier because its more consensus rn)

then his sus of benson might have something to it too

cuz if rabbit/amy are civ/civ, i am potentially the pocketed civ who has wolves following me when im wrong

idk he's still null to me overall though without associations
interesing, how do you feel about Benson's 544 re: scirrus? could that be w/w?
by nutella
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:11 am
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sup hally! :D
Hally wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:05 pm
Alison wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:53 pm Hi Hally! A lot of people think your slot is scum, including me. How do you feel about that?
whaat, what did you do scirrus :evileye:

it’s ok, i’m about to be so blindingly villagery that i will soon become unmislimable, so if any wolves are voting me you just got unlucky :p
wolfy post tho :|
Hally wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:12 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 11:32 pm I wasn’t actually planning to pay attention to this game until like D3 but are you guys nutso IAAFR is like hard clear

He’s also probably town


Tutu is also pretty town based off the three posts of hers I read


I’m doing it dad I’m doing a mafia
nanook my dude are you wolfing
Hally wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:17 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 3:43 am Three town (IAAFR tutuu radishes) down, too many more to go
wow ok so you are wolfing :p

seriously nanook, there is no way you have a town read on radishes for what he posted up to here

just... no
....townier posts
Timsup2nothin wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:42 pm @Allison

Is straight to "how dare you"/OMGUS/AtE the usual way for v!Nanook to deal with suss? Because this looks a lot like how he pushed off suss from Nutella earlier.

I'm kinda torn because at the time Nutella was top wagon and here we are with Hally top wagon...and both look around and say "hey how about Nanook?" But it isn't like they are making a big reach to suss Nanook I don't think. His reaction isn't really jiving to me, but I don't know him.

@nutella is this as familiar as I'm thinking it looks?
not sure what you're asking me here? just that nanook is responding aggressively to being called out and not to much else?
by nutella
Wed Jul 22, 2020 12:13 am
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[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] can you explain why you TR radish?

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