The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:
Long Con wrote:So, do you think that LizKeen said the Eartubes thing about Zomba in order to deflect suspicion from her, because they're baddie teammates?

If so, do you think TH is a baddie teammate of Zomba, because he defended her?
Do you think that?

Not sure why he is playing coy. If he thinks you're bad I think he should come out and say it.

OK. I'm not sold on TH one way or the other right now.

Of course not, Dom.

Elohcin wrote:This has been a very interesting night. I don't have much to add now but I am looking forward to what the day brings.

You have not had much to add all game.

juliets wrote:Long Con and rabbit are you both able to talk today?

I am.

No Death, good.

Not having to listen to Golden and BF is the most logical vote that can ever be made.

I want to vote for Zomba, Liz, then maybe one of these low posters.

I do not have Epi down as civvie, but I'm not willing to lynch someone helping try to find baddies, Liz.

You seem to back peddle on everything you say Liz and that is very incriminating IMO.

Long Con wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:I want to vote for Zomba, Liz, then maybe one of these low posters.

I do not have Epi down as civvie, but I'm not willing to lynch someone helping try to find baddies, Liz.

You seem to back peddle on everything you say Liz and that is very incriminating IMO.
What is she backpedalling about?

If you don't think Epig is a Civvie, then what makes you think he's actually trying to find baddies?

Are these some sort of joke questions?

Read her posts, she is back peddling on a lot of things. I'm not your secretary. I f you don't think she is back peddling on what she has brought up I have to wonder about your sanity and or allegiance.

I don't have Epi down a civvie or indy or a baddie. I think he is looking for baddies as I agree with some of his thoughts. What's your point exactly?

Long Con wrote:Should I wait until you've had your coffee next time? Just saying Liz is backpedalling is very vague, I don't think it's a lot to ask for you to clarify your thoughts, especially after she just posted a large post.

My point on Epig is that he's my number one suspicion for being a baddie. So when I see you saying you don't think he's Civvie, but you don't want to lynch him because he's finding baddies, it raises my eyebrows.

You went very quickly from "I do not have Epi down as civvie" to "I don't have Epi down a civvie or indy or a baddie." Do you think we should read those two statements with the same meaning?

What? Did you read her long post, or what? She actually back peddled on me in that post? Reading comprehension an issue?

I'm sorry was my clarification confusing to you? I don't have Epi down as anything. I don't know if he's a civve or anything else. I think he is baddie hunting. They two statements are not in anyway different.

I don't have Epi down as a civve.
I don't have Epi down as a civvie, baddie, or Indy.

Still the same with more clarification.

That is what you where asking for, was it not?

I really don't know what you're looking for. If you think Epi is bad and come up with a good case I might listen as I don't have him down as a certain role of allegiance.

I do however think Liz is bad. Which would give me pause on voting for Epi. Though he did not claim Liz until after Golden did. If you think if after Liz comes up as a baddie I think it clears Epi, you would be wrong.

As I said, I don't have Epi down as a civvie. But I have not really looked closely enough to have him as a baddie or indy either. He plays a very vague game and if you have something, BRING IT UP. Stop the blah blah what do you think I have thoughts I'm not saying until I hear from you etc etc....Gah, its annoying.

I had a flat this morning and it's raining and etc, so.......

Long Con wrote:I've already laid out very clearly why I think Epig is a baddie. I believe he killed BR 1.0 on Night 1 in order to frame Metalmarsh. Although he was well aware of the recent history between MM and BR with regard to Night 1 kills, he chose to avoid mentioning what he knew about it. My (same) knowledge of that history led me to believe that MM did not and would not kill BR on Night 1 yet again.

While I was right about MM, Epig led the lynch train on him. It was a setup. I've stated all this before. Epig is a baddie, or he would have had something to say on the situation beyond a meaningless one-liner.

I'd rather lynch Epig to see if it clears Liz, than vice versa as you are suggesting.

It's something to consider for sure. I remember you mentioning this stuff but I don't remember you putting it all together.

I would like to hear some others weigh in on this train of thought and on Liz as well.

Also I would actually like to lynch Zomba before either Epi or Liz.

TH being quiet this long? Is there some way they could both be silenced?

If she does not post all day and TH does not who would fake it? Not sure but I doubt there are two silencer roles. Maybe an item could account for this?

Long Con wrote:I meant to add, that's a total paraphrase of the exact content of Ender's Shadow, but the meaning is accurate.

I always hated Bean.

So we are actually going to wait for the info dump now?

Chances the host allows baddies to insert into his host posts?

I have never played a Lama game before.

Epi's case on Epi is pretty epic.......

I can't stop. You people.

S~V~S wrote:
LizKeen wrote:[quote="Zombarella"]BTW - You are the only other person I've met who watches the Black List. It really is a great show. I covet Liz's hair.

Golden wrote:I watch the blacklist
I covet Tom Keen. I used to think he was nerdy but now that he's a bad boy he's kinda hot. I don't know anyone who watches it but you two.

SVS, you must be getting up as I go to bed.

I'm really stuck between a rock and a hard place here. If I don't vote Zombarella and she gets lynched and flips bad then I'm going to be accused of being her teammate. If I vote her and she flips civvie then I'm helping lynch another civvie. This really sucks.

I don't think I'm voting for her.

I just read her posts from last night again mainly for tone, and I don't think she has BTSC. One thing I know about Zomba from BTS with her her first 2 games is that she takes advice well. If you tell her she said something she should not have, she works her way back around it. Some people don't; you tell them in BTS that they are making a mistake, and they kinda blow you off. Not Zomba. And no where in her posts did I see that kind of influence. The only point where she backed off was influence from the thread.

She said a lot of things I think more experienced players would have told her not to say. The No U start, and the low poster finish are things a bad team would have told her was a mistake. I think this is her first non-BTS game.

I think parts of my theory are right, but the part where it points to Zomba being bad probably are not. I have to read back some more. I want to reread LC, and Bass.[/quote]

So no real experience player would tell her, fuck it you have so much heat be as obvious as you can?
If they did not I can't see how the mafia wins so much around here as people claim.
You know, because like now it gets gullible players to believe it.

I think we have a likely baddies with votes now and maybe a celestial two with the way the votes are splitting unlike any of the first lynches.

Didn't Epi actually say he thought is was finny BR was killed N1? How is that ignoring what happened? I must have missed something along the way.

Long Con wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:Didn't Epi actually say he thought is was finny BR was killed N1? How is that ignoring what happened? I must have missed something along the way.
Yes, he said that, and I've noted that. And that's all he said. He tried to lynch Metalmarsh instead of knowing it wouldn't be him. That's the point.

That's a really good point actually.

Pftt, Zomba.

S~V~S wrote:Dom knows how I feel about distancing.

Feelings can change ..........

S~V~S wrote:Changing ones mind does not make one bad.

I don't like your reasoning for changing your mind.......

Golden wrote:Well, it looks like I failed, but at least I feel like this lynch has finally told me some things

Do tell?

Golden wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Golden wrote:Well, it looks like I failed, but at least I feel like this lynch has finally told me some things
Do tell?
I think we finally may have had some people come out and vote zombs to protect teammates.

To save who, Vomp? Please tell me that's not what your think?

Golden wrote:Ok rabbit, but only because you said please.

I just see him with votes and you think a baddie team might actually save him? For what exactly? It actually makes more sense he would be the sacrificial lamb.

Golden wrote:It's not the votes I feel I've learned from, it's the posts.

Okay that would make more sense. I was getting confused by your thoughts. I know we don't see eye to eye but you had me worried about your sanity for a second. Or maybe you're bad.

:P

Nice. Im looking at Golden, svs and epi.

Go!

S~V~S wrote:Fell free to look at Golden & Epi.

I could actually look at all of three of you with you top of the list. I has multitasking skillz like dat.

LizKeen wrote:I think the simple solution is we're going to have to come up for new words for theory and Possibility, for clarification purposes.

Speaking of which, has anyone theorized the possibility the millionaire could gain more power to recruit?

I have a theory that Vomp may be the Millionaire.

Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.

fingersplints wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
LizKeen wrote:I think the simple solution is we're going to have to come up for new words for theory and Possibility, for clarification purposes.

Speaking of which, has anyone theorized the possibility the millionaire could gain more power to recruit?

I have a theory that Vomp may be the Millionaire.
Is this serious that you think Vomps is the Millionaire?

Thinking about it. I think maybe the baddies saw the train coming on Zomba and wanted to save her if possible. If they could get Vomps lynched since he has not really been involved Zomba would look really good in a lot of players eyes when Vomps flipped as the Millionaire and then the badies could really create some chaos. Now if Vomps is not lynched and he is the Millionaire, he just got pretty powerful. It's something I would have done if I was in the baddies position. A win win situation.

Just a working theory. He could also be a civvie they decided to go after because it was easy as well.

Pending on the

ness of our baddie teams I could see either one of these being true.

Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.
Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.

rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.
Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.

Also you have voted in all the polls except the two lynched civvies. I feel like maybe your team made sure you voted for Vomps..............................

RIP Golden.

Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:WOT= wall of text

I'm starting to wonder about you.
Why?

Because you have been wishy washy about everything all game and not really invested in finding baddies. Then out of no where you really want to lynch Vomps.
Nah. I was pretty wishy washy on wanting to lynch Vomps, actually.

Oh I'm sorry. Who posted this then:

Canucklehead wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Canucklehead wrote:I thought Epi's case on LK was....not convincing, but I'm not sure why a bad Epi would push so hard against a player so early....considering a vote there.
LC is LC and I have no particular reason to think he's bad right now, but I don't know if I've ever read LC correctly. I'm not voting there unless something really compelling comes up.
That's all you have to say about Epig? What about other cases that have been made against him?
Yes, that is all I have to say about Epi right now. None of the cases brought against him have stuck in my mind enough for me to comment on them.
You don't find it suspicious that Epignosis would ignore what he knows about MM and BR and instead go for the easy lynch of Metalmarsh? What he knew should have led him to believe Metalmarsh was being framed, except the thing is, Epig was doing the framing. Not to mention, the italicized portion sounds suspiciously like what LizKeen heard through the ear tubes, AND it sounds like something Epig would say. Cocky and believing people can be easily led.

I want to understand why no one else can see this. Is it that they don't believe that Epig knew that it was VERY unlikely that Metalmarsh would kill BR on Night one for the third or fourth time in recent history? I did quote something in my original case that clearly indicated that Epig was involved - Donner Mafia, Epig tells MM that he killed him for BR. And believe me when I say that I know every detail of this subject due to BR being my wife. I know what happened, what Epig knows, how MM felt about it. This is the truth, I just need enough people to see it and understand what it means.
I didn't say I didn't find it suspicious, I said the case didn't stick in my head. Which is true. Nothing is sticking in me head right now, because my entire brain is utterly saturated with crippling anxiety and fear of failure because I have a career-defining series of examinations beginning in two weeks.

But now that you've very kindly reiterated your points: I mean, I guess what you're seeing as damning isn't quite as evocative to me. I'll take your word for it that the whole MM/BR rivalry is something that Epi is aware of, even acutely so. I guess where I don't quite buy your argument is that knowing that MM would be very unlikely to kill BR does not mean that other people on MM's team might have overruled him. I mean, obviously this WASN'T the case (since MM was good), but prior to that revelation I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for someone to simultaneously believe that MM would not personally vote to kill BR, but could still be a member of a team that would do so.
I guess maybe because I'm not as intimately involved with the details and intricacies of the BR/MM/Epi triangle that his willingness to vote MM just didn't set off alarms bells like it does for you. But I'm not discounting your assertion here, it's just not one I would have come to on my own. I actually also feel uneasy about Epi, so your insights are interesting.

Mostly, though, I want to lynch Vomps.

You post I quoted above about wanting to Lynch Vomps comes before both these posts below.

Canucklehead wrote:
Long Con wrote:Vomps' crime is being Vomps, right? Not contributing much, acting weird? Low posting?
Yes. Being Vomps is a serious crime.

I know this is a joke. But you lay it out there nicely. I think you're trying to persuade a few people.

Canucklehead wrote:I'm going to do (another) 180 and vote for Vomps.
I reread Epi's case on LK, and while I still didn't find it convincing, I can't come up with a scenario where it would be beneficial for baddie Epi to go hard against a player that (until he and Golden mentioned her) didn't seem to be on anyone's radar.
I'm not sure that I'm un-suspicious of Epi, but I'd rather not vote for him today since I can't really ask him to clarify some things about his LK case and LC's comments on the MM lynch while he's cursed.
I'll vote Vomps, though I think it's a 50/50 chance he's a civ.

This is not a 180 after you have already declared you want to lynch him and that being him is a serious crime. You throw in the I think there's a 50/50 chance he's a civ. I makes you look wishy washy like you have been trying to portray this game. But your posts before this one prove this one is complete bullshit.

juliets wrote:So I guess SVS is under a spell where she has to praise Epi profusely. I wonder how many times she has to do this. Hopefully not many.

Convenient.

fingersplints wrote:
Dom wrote:
Long Con wrote: Thank God I ain't too cool for the safe belt
They tipping the scale for these crackers to win
Lupe steal like Lupin the Third.
Screams from the haters, got a nice ring to it
people talking shit, but when the shit hit the fan
Would that require that person to have a safe, though?

I'm finding it hard to not suspect DP for the record.
Also, I'm eyeing MM, I guess? Because he has MP's old role?
What specifically do you find suspicious about DP? I am not suspicious of him at all for the record.

I'm thinking about voting for either Canuck or FS today.

fingersplints wrote:Do what you want. voting me would be a waste of your time

Care to give a reason why?

No, I don't care too. I think you're bad though.

fingersplints wrote:I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

How would I know that you have really not done much all game but agree or disagree with people.

OK, Canucklehead.

Canucklehead wrote:
rabbit8 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I forgot to say I'm also eyeing MM and bass because I'm a little confused about that situation. I doubt I would vote either.

My strongest suspect atm is Sophie. A civvie Sophie is generally much more vocal than this. also, I am a little suspicious of how she has twice now asked dfaraday for his opinion. just his. She claimed it was from knowing him from RM but there are several others she knows better or as well that she hasn't interacted with at all.

Linki alright rabbit I'm pretty sure you know I am not bad

How would I know that you have really not done much all game but agree or disagree with people.

OK, Canucklehead.
Is there something else to do in mafia other than agree or disagree with people? what exactly would you like fs to be doing that she is not already?
Do you think fs and I are both Zomba's teammates? Who else do you think is on our team?

I don't know? Who else is on your team? You actively bring things up that's what else you can do. The reaction game is a baddie hiding tactic. Make a case, do something. Not just a few two liners here or there.

fingersplints wrote:APerson is easy to lie low as a baddie because he doesn't post enough to give anyone an idea either way usually. MP had a similar outburst like he just did in RR. I think it's unlikely he would pull that twice in a row, but I didn't have either of them down as a civvie so I have my eye on both you and bass as I said. I also said I doubted I would be voting either of you.
People don't regularly change places, so that whole situation is weird to me. I wouldn't say either of you are high up on my suspicion list, but I don't have strong civvie vibes yet either

Linki rabbit is every person making a case? I haven't seen you laying down massive cases either. mafia is people reacting to one another

I never said make a massive case. Reading what I write would be nice.

Speaking of you suspicion list, what is it? You never actually accuse anyone but low posters, well done. Anyone can do that.

Long Con wrote:Doubtful about it all
It is said that terror lives behind the wall of privacy
Always knew that one day, they'd try to bring me down
I'd rather argue with you than to be with someone else
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Real bad news
My face turned to stone when I heard the news
Hey, I'm good

This I agree with. I'm trying to figure out which one.

Well done.

fingersplints wrote:
LizKeen wrote: I was giving Sophie some time becuase she had a lot to catch up. But she's had plenty of time now. She suspects DP and Epi as do I so I'm not finding her all that suspicious yet. I do find fs defending DP and calling out Sophie interesting though.

Someone else has replaced in since Sophie has been killed and have already caught up. She isn't catching up. She is bad and using that as an excuse to not have to post.

I think you might be right.

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