The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:[snipped]
I just thought it was interesting.

How?
That wasn't the reason for my early vote-- you are conflating two unrelated topics. That's a reason why my vote isn't suspicious, not why I voted early.
You know the difference.

But you didn't give a reason for voting when you voted for Zomba. When you voted for DP last night, you said you might have a busy day the next day and you wanted to make sure you voted. When you voted for Zomba early, you just said "I voted". And then after someone called you out on the possibility of you voting a teammate first, you responded with:

Dom wrote:Also-- starting the vote on someone on your own team that early in the day?

Your Day 3 early vote lacked a complimentary RL explanation for its earliness, but that's okay, you didn't need it because Zomba was going to flip bad, and you could say afterwards that you wouldn't have started the voting on a teammate that early in the lynch. This all leads me to believe that your early vote for Zomba was a calculated move, drawn up to arrive at this exact defensive strategy.

Now you are going after DP for voting Vomps late; you are harping on the importance of vote timing, but you won't acknowledge that Zomba's teammates might have thrown her under the bus yesterday. You think it's more likely that they tried to save her, that DP specifically tried to save her. I've pointed out that Zomba didn't even vote to save herself. Why would DP put his neck on the line to try and save her, when he didn't even place the tying vote? Epi later came in and tied the vote - I don't see you going after Epi at all Dom - and it STILL wasn't enough to save Zomba.

If Zomba didn't vote to save herself, judging by her behavior yesterday, I think there's a good chance that her teammates gave up on her early. Which brings me right back to Dom's vote for Zomba.

fingersplints wrote:

Sophie wrote:

LizKeen wrote:I hope you Sophie voters are right. My thing about DP is like I said earlier, unless that charm got stolen from BR before she was killed then it ended up in beasts hands. And if someone stole it from her they should know who the beast of Bremen is and I don't think I've seen anyone trying to impart that knowledge. I can see why someone would take my ear tubes and maybe a rare book but why an elephant charm?

They arent

They aren't what?

fingersplints wrote:

Sophie wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Sophie wrote:

LizKeen wrote:I hope you Sophie voters are right. My thing about DP is like I said earlier, unless that charm got stolen from BR before she was killed then it ended up in beasts hands. And if someone stole it from her they should know who the beast of Bremen is and I don't think I've seen anyone trying to impart that knowledge. I can see why someone would take my ear tubes and maybe a rare book but why an elephant charm?

They arent

They aren't what?

They arent right. Its pretty hard to erase part of a quote with my phone

I still don't get what you mean by "they aren't right" Who isn't right and what aren't they right about?

fingersplints wrote:Sorry thanks rabbit I get it now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who are you gonna vote today rabbit?

Sophie wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who are you gonna vote today rabbit?

I'm leaning Sophie right now. It's much better than the DP case. I also want to look more at Dom. I think TH brings up a some very good points.

Dont vote for me

fingersplints wrote:You guys must hate my posts. I misuse all the words!

Canucklehead wrote:

Dom wrote:But thank you to Canuck for being hilarious.

I hope it was hilarious, and not jerky....that's what I was aiming for, but sometimes I worry that I've been contaminated by all the pompous and humourless asses that populate my department/institution/profession and have lost my ability to tell the difference between "funny" and "dickish". Please feel free to tell me when I get it wrong. I emphatically do NOT want to become one of the annoying pendantic dipshits who roam the halls here and exemplify all the worst qualities of academia (and humanity in general)....

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I think we should lynch Epignosis today, regardless of curses. I actually feel a bit better about Dom after DP was NK'd. This will require some rereading though.

We now have three confirmed civs who want(ed) Epignosis lynched: blindfaeth, MM 1.0, and the poet.

MM does someone being a confirmed civvie make them know what he baddies are?

I'm not sure where I stand on Epi, but I am not sure that argument holds.

Yes it does actually.

No it really doesn't.

S~V~S wrote:Well, the reason DP had the charm would be clear IMO based on a theory YOU proposed about why someone would steal that object from BR night one.

I happen to think that theory makes sense. And Golden was already dead iirc by then.

Turnip Head wrote:what's a ringer

Long Con wrote:It should probably come as no surprise that I'm *voting Epig*.

S~V~S wrote:Just feels. Doms opinions, suspicions and thoughts have seemed less civ to me than Epis, anf the fact that Dom has *felt* like a low poster, but makes lots of posts I don't even remember (when I love reading Doms posts)... I dunno. Feels. And maybe I am trying to convince myself, especially re the buddying; sometimes I start a post with one position, but I end it with another. I talk myself in and out of things all the time. But I don't see myself talking myself into lynching someone who can't defend, snarky as i think that defense might wind up being.

LC has been single minded about Epi. He acts like a person with info. Even Epi said he sounded like he had info. The fact that he said that makes me think if there is info, it is info open to interpretation.

What is your opinion on Liz?

Lini, no, lol, not to make you look bad. Make your votes fit with your posts, which they don't. You say one thing, and vote another. I want to try to see where you are coming from with those votes.

Why no votes for Vomps? Not just that one day; any day.

S~V~S wrote:I am not blowing him off. I am not sure I trust him, either. His weird little stab in THs direction before was, well, weird. I base my votes on my own thoughts, although if someone posts things I agree with I will follow their case. If they don't, well, then i won't.

S~V~S wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I am not blowing him off. I am not sure I trust him, either. His weird little stab in THs direction before was, well, weird. I base my votes on my own thoughts, although if someone posts things I agree with I will follow their case. If they don't, well, then i won't.

You did basically dismiss it and blow it off. It was weird.
TH is a civvie?

No I didn't~ but i don't have any reason to trust him either. And I don't think TH is a baddie. Just the way LC did not even recall that is was his own thoughts that led people to possibly believe DP could have been a Celestial, not BRs killer. It was odd.

S~V~S wrote:How come every time I wonder about LCs motivations, i wind up debating rabbit?

Epignosis wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I know LC has been on Epi for a while now. I think he might be more careful then BF was in making a rash decision. I think you blowing off like that is interesting.

I do plan to vote for Epi.

Think it over; time will heal your fear. Think it over.

S~V~S wrote:How come every time I wonder about LCs motivations, i wind up debating rabbit?

rabbit8 wrote:So me one time 1 time before this we have argued about LC this game. I dare you.

S~V~S wrote:Linki, I just did ha ha

S~V~S wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:So me one time 1 time before this we have argued about LC this game. I dare you.

Look at the post right above this one that you made

i did not say all game. that was the first time I mentioned LC. Never said the whole game.

Epignosis wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.

That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rabbit, real quick, what do you think of Golden? Civvie or Celestial?

S~V~S wrote:Well, you should care. that may give you a read on other people.

Epignosis wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.

That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

If you had even tried to explain yourself once this game I might really consider thinking different from how I am now. But you haven't. You have not made one effort to explain what you think.

Not a lot is missing
Every ounce of treasure found
And I believe that everyone should get what
They're allowed
Suspected of belief that comes suspended
In a sound
And everybody wants some

S~V~S wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:I think you have an agenda in discrediting LCs info.

That's what you say
Does it really happen to you?
Does that explain
This is the season for this display?

If you had even tried to explain yourself once this game I might really consider thinking different from how I am now. But you haven't. You have not made one effort to explain what you think.

Not a lot is missing
Every ounce of treasure found
And I believe that everyone should get what
They're allowed
Suspected of belief that comes suspended
In a sound
And everybody wants some

I think you and SVS are on a team.

Absolutely not. Like I said, vote away. I won't be voting for him, but i am not trying to talk you or anyone else out of it.

linki~ ha ha ha ha

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rabbit, real quick, what do you think of Golden? Civvie or Celestial?

I don't care. He was not a baddie.

What if I pointed out that Golden did not interact with TH at all this game? Not once. And he only mentioned him once in passing on Day 1.

Then what if I pointed out that Golden did want to lynch Epignosis on Day 1, and carried suspicion of him up until his death?



You suggested to me earlier that TH and Epignosis might be Celestial buddies. I think not.

S~V~S wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:Yes, you did try to save Zomba after you went after and got Golden to believe she was a civve then you changed your mind, convenient.

Because the Celestials have BTSC and are team who would obviously try to help the civvies in this game, why are you playing dumb?

Go back and reread, dear. Golden got me to thin she was a civvie.

Get your facts straight before you say these things

And I am not playing dumb~ but helping the civvies =/=being the civvies. The baddies have to outnumber the civs & Celestials. lots more civs than Celestials, and the baddies know everyone not them. So I am not the one playing dumb.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:But I don't see myself talking myself into lynching someone who can't defend, snarky as i think that defense might wind up being.

For the record, you voted for Hawkeye (Lizzy) in X-Men even though he specifically said that he would be gone for the day, and thus unable to defend himself.

Golden wrote:I'm actually feeling fairly good about both you and lizkeen now.

S~V~S wrote:

Zombarella wrote:I am going to vote for A Person right now. I don't want to lynch another active civ player, I'm going to go for someone who the baddies won't NK - either because he/she is one of them or because he/she is not playing and isn't a threat to them.

*votes A Person*

Low posters?

Do you have any actual suspicions? When you came in last night you tried pushing a suspicion of me, and it didn't take; do you suspect anyone?

I trust Golden's judgment; had I listened to him earlier, I would have backed off of BF. I am going to reread this AM and consider whether to listen to him now.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:OK. I don't really care about you as a baddie target. All the civvies and Celestials are targets. It should be easier for the BTSC team to find baddies.

But you don't seem to care whether Golden was in the BTSC group or not or for who he wanted to lynch.

I'm trying to point out that perhaps he was onto something.

rabbit8 wrote:This is a post by Golden in response to Zomba.

Golden wrote:I'm actually feeling fairly good about both you and lizkeen now.

This is SVSs next post.

S~V~S wrote:

Zombarella wrote:I am going to vote for A Person right now. I don't want to lynch another active civ player, I'm going to go for someone who the baddies won't NK - either because he/she is one of them or because he/she is not playing and isn't a threat to them.

*votes A Person*

Low posters?

Do you have any actual suspicions? When you came in last night you tried pushing a suspicion of me, and it didn't take; do you suspect anyone?

I trust Golden's judgment; had I listened to him earlier, I would have backed off of BF. I am going to reread this AM and consider whether to listen to him now.

Who has their facts straight, now?

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Changing ones mind does not make one bad.

I don't like your reasoning for changing your mind.......

Epignosis wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:MM, I'm still eager to hear your case. Even if you don't think it's worth it.

We must have waited all our lives for this
Moment

S~V~S wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

LizKeen wrote:You've made no bones about the fact you won't vote Epi. Which says to me you know who he is, which means you're both either mafia, indy, or you're bad and you know he'll flip civvie and you want to give yourself some cred. What is your take on him tying up the vote on Day 3?

I'm snipping this part because even if I am sober I bet it wouldn't make sense.

I am quoting this bit that Mm quoted because it is manageable. I have no idea who Epi is, I do know that I don't think both he and Dom are bad, and I am a bit more leery of Dom. I also know that he is incapacitated and it is unsporting to vote for him, IMO. No knowledge.

And like you, Liz, I suspect Vomps. Did then and I still do now. So I don't think he was trying to save Zomba since she made no effort to save herself and she could have.

Long Con wrote:And S~V~S, you referenced my theory from way back closer to the beginning of the game than now. Theories change. I've been watching TH for a while now, and though I want to see how the Epig lynch turns out first, I've got some more fine theories to share with you about your trusted Turnip Head. Your reactions this very day have been very interesting as well, to be honest.

I thought that theory had as lot off merit, as well as your occasional advice to the Celestials. About Zomba will, and asking them to steal your item. You had a lot of good thoughts re the Celestials. You may have changed your thought, but I think you were spot on about those items. If you changed your mind on that, maybe you could change it back

When it comes to Epi I am not sure he's bad. When it comes to TH, I am more sure that he isn't bad.

I will read the long posts after I get up, I am sure I have to respond to stuff in them since OMG I disagreed with LC and I don't want to vote for someone I am not sure is bad.

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

I'm going to try and switch up my playstyle going forward, hopefully it will frustrate me less.

MM, no comment at all about the way Epig was gunning for you 1.0 even though he definitely knew that you killing BR night 1 was extremely unlikely at this point?

Turnip Head wrote:LC if you accuse me, I'm not going to accuse you of having info. That's a silly thing to worry about. I'm just going to tell you how you're wrong.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm really surprised anyone wants to hear anything from me about Turnip Head tbh. I don't really know how to put my thoughts on him, S~V~S, and others out there in any sort of complex fashion because I'll likely get accused of infodropping and 99% ignored by the thread. Unless that's just special treatment that only Epig gets.

LC, you do not have info on me, because I'm not bad. Whatever you're working with, an error must have been made somehow. People have thought they've had info on me before and they were wrong. Is this about the bottle still?

TH, LC said that he did not have info, and that he was trying to figure out how to convince people you're bad without hinting as such. I don't know why you think he could...

What do you mean? Why can't he convince people I'm bad without hinting he has info? What am I supposed to do when the guy who accuses me says he can't build a case on me without seeming like he has info? How am I supposed to react to that?

If LC wants to accuse me of something, I'll be here.

S~V~S wrote:What I think my problem was, was that I had totally the wrong idea about who cursed me the other day. And when I flipped it in my head, reading things without that bias I started to get a better understanding of what people were saying. Things kinda clicked, so thanks MM for making me reread with a different mindset.

I could vote for Liz or Epi. I do think he is probably bad. Don't love voting for the cursed, but I could still vote for him.

I would prefer a Liz vote but the time I had hoped to spend pulling quotes went to arguing with Rabbit. An old and fun pastime that I have missed

Gotta say that Juliets Coffee thing was weird. Like someone said JC in chat and had to explain what it stood for. I know people suspect slips more than they actually happen, but that was very odd.

S~V~S wrote:Liz has said she has not played with this group, iirc when she first joined she said she stumbled on us in a search engine or something to that effect.

She referred to Juliet's as Juliets Coffee. She has not used that name here. The explanation LiZ gave did not ring true to me. So where did she hear that? In a chatroom? It was just an odd thing for her to say.

LizKeen wrote:

juliets wrote:I did not play games at Lostpedia as Juliets Coffee. I played as ImaPisces. And how many games did you read at Rev?

I was trying to quote and paste and answer on my phone and posted the wrong site. I didn't play at Lostpedia that meant to say Hedville. And probably 2 or 3. I decided not to play there because people looked like they were being really nasty to each other. It's one of the reasons I quit all together. I played at The Piano once or twice too. Can't remember the name of the site before that.

S~V~S wrote:Lini, no, lol, not to make you look bad. Make your votes fit with your posts, which they don't. You say one thing, and vote another. I want to try to see where you are coming from with those votes.

Why no votes for Vomps? Not just that one day; any day.

Okay my votes: Day 1 I voted Zombarella because I didn't feel bf would have been so bold if he was a baddie. I voted Zombarella because there wasn't much to go on and I thought that comment she made might have been outing herself.


Day 2 I didn't think MM was bad most especially based on those posts the last day. But I missed the vote. I was less sure about Zombarella because from the ear phones I knew the mafia planned to put the doctors ability on whoever Zomba voted for. I took that to mean they were going to set Zomba up to look suspicious. Hence, why I told her to be careful where she put her vote. I wanted to vote you that day but that didn't seem to be where anyone else was looking and I didn't want to vote MM.

Day 3 I still wasn't sure about Zomb, especially with those posts she made right before I voted but as I've explained more than once I thought the lynch the next day might come down to her or me and I wasn't going to vote myself. Had I had a chance to be around closer to the vote I probably would have voted Zompatti because I already pointed out his posts were less than useful. I know its easy to say after the fact. I can say if I had been a baddie teammate with Zombarella I would not have voted her that early even to save myself. Again I have no way to prove this.

Day 4 I voted DP because I couldn't wrap my brain around him having that elephant charm unless he was the beast. Yes, it's been said the celestials might want it for something and yes it's also been pointed out all sorts of game mechanics could have accounted for it. I wasn't willing to chance a duck is a duck.

Vompatti as I've said twice now seems to want to be voted for. Which could explain his useless odd posts. No, I won't vote for him at least not right now because either he's the millionaire or for some reason wants us to think that. If he is is the millionaire then by my count he has 8 votes already (that could explain the day 1 self-vote) and who knows how much power and if one of those powers is the ability to avoid a lynch I don't want to waste a vote AND give him more power.

You've made no bones about the fact you won't vote Epi. Which says to me you know who he is, which means you're both either mafia, indy, or you're bad and you know he'll flip civvie and you want to give yourself some cred. What is your take on him tying up the vote on Day 3?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:What is your opinion on Liz?

My opinion on Liz is that I think you're right, and she's as bad as they come. I'm surprised she hasn't been lynched yet.

Wow really? No reciprocal benefit of the doubt? Ok then.

Epignosis wrote:
I see you
I see you though your eyes can tell lies I sympathize

Well that's creepy. What am I wearing?

S~V~S wrote:
And I was tryig to disguise myself in a sock puppet game. And gone for the day =/= insanified. At Rm & LP, generally lynching those unable to defend was not done. I still don;t like to do it, and I know there are others who feel as i do. Call us old ladies.

I don't like to do it either. But I refuse to grow old and as to whether I'm a lady it depends on who you ask. :P

However, Epi seems to do quite well posting in song.


Or maybe not. I have no idea what this means:

Epignosis wrote:
Sol, Dhoop
Sun
Ilios
Naytheet
Ah Kin
Saule
Tonatiuh
Qurax
Gunes, Grian
Surie
Ir
Samse

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I'm losing the motivation to make a case right now. I've already made two (on other players) this game to no avail. And my ideas here keep getting stomped on.

I feel your pain.