The Syndicate

Hey guys I didn't realize we started yet sorry about that. Looks like I have a lot to catch up on already. I'm excited for this game!

I lost my sense of smell which affects my taste so the lime one is the only one I can actually taste.

I finally had a chance to actually read through the champion game set up and the past few pages before going back to sleep.phone is dying so I'll check back in in the morning with some thoughts so far.

Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:20 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 am Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

Sabie Sabie. I didn’t get mislynched. I can even physically be mislynched.

I gathered a few votes and then told Nutella she better shoot me and claim the mafia was trying to frame her, which is exactly what she did.

I’ve correctly read Nutella like 8 games running on D1. She’s a baddie.

Oh right yeah sorry it was tony who also suspected nutella that game that got mislynched. Then I told everyone hey maybe they were right about nutella and she ended up being bad. Point is this seemed like a similar situation.



I'm heading home from work now and I'll catch up on what's been happening the last 8 hours. Haven't had a chance to read everything yet.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 6:19 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 am Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

Hi Sabie!

You and I often approach a thing from different directions, so you help me with perspective. I am looking forward to hearing your take on Jack and Nanook/Radishes when you get caught up.

I finally just got through everything I missed.
Sorry ever since my surgery my processing speed is a little slow so it does take me some time to read and process and understand everything. I'm not ATEing or whatever just letting people who aren't super familiar with me know that's why I'm not as quick to respond sometimes. I am trying to keep up as best as I can and respond to things as they come up.
I saw that dizzy was questioning me because of my slow start but I'm just not as talkative in the beginning of games.

I'm not sure what to think about the jack and nutella dynamic. I know Jack always jokes around about being unlynchable. If jack is bad I wonder what would be his motivation to go after nutella so intensely because if she flips town then that just makes him look bad. Nutella does also bring up a good point that jack sometimes will change his mind at the last minute and say he was just trying to see how people respond to it. I'll have to look back at that other game because it does remind me of that and jack had been right. Jack claims he has been right about nutella multiple times does anyone know of another example besides the Australian game?

Nanook almost had me fooled in all my circuits. He is good at seeming like town when he's not. I feel like he has been kind of aggressive in some points I am never a fan of calling people idiots or anything like that.
I don't know master radishes I'm not familiar with them and I missed where the case began on them. I saw some people saying it had to do with their usage of certain terms?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:01 pm Sabie is thoroughly underwhelming to me. I saw her as more to the point and involved as town before. Thoughts?

[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

You played one game with me that I can recall and you were mafia and I told everyone you were but no one believed me and then you killed me night one.


I'm terrible at day 1 reads and usually take a little while to get momentum going and be more involved. My playstyle doesn't make sense to some people but I still win games so I must be doing something right.

In looking through Jack's ISO his initial posts on nutella seemed pretty iffy but it quickly turned into his main suspicion. I know he was right about her before and I don't see how scum jack benefits from going after nutella because if she flips town that's going to look bad on him. I think nutella may have been a little more confident in the Australian game because she knew she'd show as town if checked. Too bad I figured out she was bad even after checking her.
We do have another 24 hours til end of day. Putting my vote on nutella [VOTE: nutella] aubergine I must go sleep.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:27 pm Maybe Dom and Michelle don’t see what me and Mac see because we are literally replaying Australian Murder Mystery and the scumteam is exactly Nutella, Dom, Michelle.

That would mean mac is also secretly hosting the game. Which would be a fun plot twist.

In looking through speedchucks ISO there really isn't much there. When he discussed the jack nutella dynamic he just says it was interesting which is a way to kind of seem involved and respond to what's going on without really putting in his own perspective or response to it. He hasn't really seemed like he's trying to figure things out or anything.

I guess I'm not surprised jack is kind of changing what he said before about nutella. It seems as though he is trying to see how people react to his accusations and I know he can be tricky like that. I don't see it as a bad look for jack right now. I don't know if it necessarily changes my feeling on nutella but I'm curious to see what her response is to that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:47 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:40 am In looking through speedchucks ISO there really isn't much there. When he discussed the jack nutella dynamic he just says it was interesting which is a way to kind of seem involved and respond to what's going on without really putting in his own perspective or response to it. He hasn't really seemed like he's trying to figure things out or anything.

I guess I'm not surprised jack is kind of changing what he said before about nutella. It seems as though he is trying to see how people react to his accusations and I know he can be tricky like that. I don't see it as a bad look for jack right now. I don't know if it necessarily changes my feeling on nutella but I'm curious to see what her response is to that.

Can you elaborate on your feelings on Nutella?

I saw you basically be like "Jack is good at reading Nutella" but I didn't see much in the way of what you independently think about her, given the posts I'm missing.

Sure so I'm not always as good at reading nutella as you claim to be. I thought she seemed similar this game to how she was in the Australian game with her responses to being suspected. I recall she strongly defended herself and threw suspicions in all other directions to see if it would stick. I thought that was kind of how she was reacting here. I think I've mostly seen nutella be mafia or indie in the last few games I've played with her though so that's what I'm used to seeing.

Just got home from work. That was an unexpected plot twist but bit a bad result with nutella being indie. RIP nanook. I was surprised he used the power so early in the game though I guess maybe he didnt want to potentially risk not getting the chance to use it.

I know absolutely nothing about gossip girl.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:55 pm Just got home from work. That was an unexpected plot twist but bit a bad result with nutella being indie. RIP nanook. I was surprised he used the power so early in the game though I guess maybe he didnt want to potentially risk not getting the chance to use it.

I know absolutely nothing about gossip girl.

Spelling error *not a bad a result

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:10 pm @sabie12 I see a lot of things about nutella in your posts, but it's not clear why you voted her. Gimme the scoop.

Ive explained that I thought her playstyle was similar to what I've been seeing when she was mafia before. I'm also not the only one who suspected her. I also thought I had time to delve further into it before end of day.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 11:05 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:10 pm sabie12 I see a lot of things about nutella in your posts, but it's not clear why you voted her. Gimme the scoop.

Ive explained that I thought her playstyle was similar to what I've been seeing when she was mafia before. I'm also not the only one who suspected her. I also thought I had time to delve further into it before end of day.

Why does this matter?

Was wondering why you asked me about it when others were voting her as well. I mentioned a few times why I was voting her.
Voted a random character since I know nothing about the show.

Nice to see colin and tranq have come in. I haven't played with them in awhile I don't think.
Sloonei I hope you're feeling better
I guess since nutella and nanook probably wouldn't have info at this point they could sub in if they wanted to.

Guess we don't need a replacement then.
I agree with svs on the vote analysis that since the day ended early and we all thought we had more time it's hard to know for sure if that's how the result would have turned out.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 8:49 pm SVS and Colin are probably the people I want to kill the most tbh

Why's that?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:23 pm When did Jack back off nutella? I don’t remember that

He started to say he was rethinking his suspicion of her and maybe wouldn't end up voting her right before the day ended early.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:11 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:00 pm I would gamble on there being at least one mafia in Colin/g-man/drago/tranq

At least a nickel, maybe even a whole 7 cents.

I reread some of the quieter people today, and will add Colin, I already did G and Tranq. I don't see much alarming in Tranq, even though we don't seem to see eye to eye on people. @juliets probably knows Tranq best; Jules any opinion yet on Tranq?

I agree with tranq regarding his thoughts on TH but other than that I don't feel like there's anything substantial in any of his or drogos posts so far to go off of. I remember in world asunder tranq and I had btsc in the map and helped each other out til he got recruited by a mafia team and then he wasn't as involved. I think that is the only time I played with him so I'm not sure if his lack of involvement in this game is alignment indicative. Colin is meh. gman is...cursed? I'm used to seeing his spreadsheets and such but he did say he is super busy. I've misread gman for his lack of caring and participation before.

I feel bad for colin in that I feel like people often don't get me either but his ISO doesn't make me feel good about him. He doesn't seem to be interested in keeping up with what's going on and trying to figure things out. He asked about jack and then didn't give any further thoughts on it.

Does TH always have short responses and ask other people to make reads for him? I know I've played with him before but I don't remember. I feel like he's been kind of providing reads without much explanation and asking others to tell him why someone is scummy.

Nanook has had a big change in his tone since coming back so he must be excited about the role he got. I don't know if that's a good thing or not because he seems like he was hoping to be mafia but could just be a more exciting role. I find it weird he made it a point to point out he didn't get a mafia role.

I don't know if I've seen a bad jay before? I thought he looked like his usual self and getting discussion going and making reads. Is he different when he's bad?

Good to see sloonei seems back to his usual self. Just has to start asking more questions and have more long ISO posts and we got the old sloonei back. (Glad you're feeling better) good post on radishes I'm not familiar with them and they don't seem to be familiar with a lot of people here either so that's a good point.

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:33 am [VOTE: Turnip head] aubergine come and explain your reads

I would also like to hear more from TH about reads.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:41 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:33 am ebwop, proofread fail : Sloonei: civ, of the big three (Jay, Epi, Sloonei) I feel most confident in his civness. In their case I defeulted to civ not so much becasue I have seen their civ game as I haven't seen their bad. With Sloonei, I think I have seen his civ game as well as not seen his bad game.

Uh am i dumb for seeing a slip here? Why is sloonei in red but you have him green?

I was also wondering does this mean you think sloonei is bad?

I agree with a lot of svs' reads aside from a few things

People misunderstand me a lot which when I first came back made me frustrated but I realize now it's just difference in playstyle and interpretation of things and that's okay. I am kind of slow to start sometimes and have to talk things out to process them which people think is scummy but it's just how I figure things out.
I'm more iffy on TH and nanook than svs. THs lack of discussion and relying on others to do it for them gives me more of a scum lean. Nanooks major shift in tone and making it a point to mention the scum role thing makes me iffy on him.

I do know what she means about spirit and his "biting" personality that we haven't seen a lot of yet. Sometimes he gets more into it as the game progresses though.


I agree that mac's play so far has seemed more on the scum side and then he has disappeared after jack went from agreeing with him to suspecting him. As juliets said I'd like to look at him further.

As far as svs herself it's been awhile since I've played with her I think I accused her because she didn't say RIP when a civ died and she made me feel bad about it and then she ended up being bad. This game she made it a point to say RIP to nanook and point out that she said it. Aside from that she seems to be putting in effort I could go either way on her.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:43 pm Stuff in Sabie's ISO:

I know it's a lot, but I would appreciate it if someone took a look. Only need to follow my comments and what I highlight.

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Her very first two posts are "I'll catch up later"-posts. I especially don't like the putting off things when she also mentions she's excited for this game in the first post. And there's a lot of what reads like excuses in her ISO, highlighted in cyan:

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sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:28 pm Hey guys I didn't realize we started yet sorry about that. Looks like I have a lot to catch up on already. I'm excited for this game!

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:41 am I finally had a chance to actually read through the champion game set up and the past few pages before going back to sleep.phone is dying so I'll check back in in the morning with some thoughts so far.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 am Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:32 pm Oh right yeah sorry it was tony who also suspected nutella that game that got mislynched. Then I told everyone hey maybe they were right about nutella and she ended up being bad. Point is this seemed like a similar situation.


I'm heading home from work now and I'll catch up on what's been happening the last 8 hours. Haven't had a chance to read everything yet.

Here's the posts that Sabie talks about Radish.
Sabie talks a lot about Jack/Nut, but very little about Radish. These two posts are the only on I can find that she even mentions Radish.
And what she says is Belgian waffle. Highlighted in pink:

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sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:17 pm I finally just got through everything I missed.
Sorry ever since my surgery my processing speed is a little slow so it does take me some time to read and process and understand everything. I'm not ATEing or whatever just letting people who aren't super familiar with me know that's why I'm not as quick to respond sometimes. I am trying to keep up as best as I can and respond to things as they come up.
I saw that dizzy was questioning me because of my slow start but I'm just not as talkative in the beginning of games.

I'm not sure what to think about the jack and nutella dynamic. I know Jack always jokes around about being unlynchable. If jack is bad I wonder what would be his motivation to go after nutella so intensely because if she flips town then that just makes him look bad. Nutella does also bring up a good point that jack sometimes will change his mind at the last minute and say he was just trying to see how people respond to it. I'll have to look back at that other game because it does remind me of that and jack had been right. Jack claims he has been right about nutella multiple times does anyone know of another example besides the Australian game?

Nanook almost had me fooled in all my circuits. He is good at seeming like town when he's not. I feel like he has been kind of aggressive in some points I am never a fan of calling people idiots or anything like that.
I don't know master radishes I'm not familiar with them and I missed where the case began on them. I saw some people saying it had to do with their usage of certain terms?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:44 am I feel bad for colin in that I feel like people often don't get me either but his ISO doesn't make me feel good about him. He doesn't seem to be interested in keeping up with what's going on and trying to figure things out. He asked about jack and then didn't give any further thoughts on it.

Does TH always have short responses and ask other people to make reads for him? I know I've played with him before but I don't remember. I feel like he's been kind of providing reads without much explanation and asking others to tell him why someone is scummy.

Nanook has had a big change in his tone since coming back so he must be excited about the role he got. I don't know if that's a good thing or not because he seems like he was hoping to be mafia but could just be a more exciting role. I find it weird he made it a point to point out he didn't get a mafia role.

I don't know if I've seen a bad jay before? I thought he looked like his usual self and getting discussion going and making reads. Is he different when he's bad?

Good to see sloonei seems back to his usual self. Just has to start asking more questions and have more long ISO posts and we got the old sloonei back. (Glad you're feeling better) good post on radishes I'm not familiar with them and they don't seem to be familiar with a lot of people here either so that's a good point.

Like, what does these posts about Radish say?
@sabie12 What is your opinion on Radish? Should he be lynched or no?


Other posts I don't like, and why:

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sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:14 pmYou played one game with me that I can recall and you were mafia and I told everyone you were but no one believed me and then you killed me night one.

I'm terrible at day 1 reads and usually take a little while to get momentum going and be more involved. My playstyle doesn't make sense to some people but I still win games so I must be doing something right.

^Here she's referencing a game where she read me correctly as scum on D1 and says that she's terrible at D1 reads.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:16 pmSure so I'm not always as good at reading nutella as you claim to be. I thought she seemed similar this game to how she was in the Australian game with her responses to being suspected. I recall she strongly defended herself and threw suspicions in all other directions to see if it would stick. I thought that was kind of how she was reacting here. I think I've mostly seen nutella be mafia or indie in the last few games I've played with her though so that's what I'm used to seeing.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:10 pm @sabie12 I see a lot of things about nutella in your posts, but it's not clear why you voted her. Gimme the scoop.

Ive explained that I thought her playstyle was similar to what I've been seeing when she was mafia before. I'm also not the only one who suspected her. I also thought I had time to delve further into it before end of day.

^When she talks about Nut and votes her it reads both waffly and like she's distancing herself from the read or like she's trying to not be responsible for it.

So I know you're not super familiar with me. IRL I work a somewhat stressful emotionally draining job so my lack of posting sometimes just is related to my not being able to. I think my way of going about things is different than others so a lot of times my playstyle comes off as scummy to people who don't know me that well. I used to get upset and defensive about it but I've been trying not to be like that anymore. I just say what I'm thinking about things and give my honest opinions. I dont like to make up reads if its not how I feel
With radishes I'll be honest in saying I am not good at reading people who I've never met before and I don't have a frame of reference to read them. I don't feel particularly strong either way about them. In all my circuits therealet was new and everyone was aggressively going after them and I ended up following and then they ended up being civ and I felt bad about that.
This game has been hard because it's so big and you cant even do a lot of vote analysis with the day ending early and no one was night killed. So I've been focusing on things that make sense to me and trying to get reads on people I feel like I can read. My playstyle seems weird to people but it works for me and that's all I can do.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:39 pm Ok I just read through @sprityo and almost all of it seems like fluff. He voted Jack on Day 1 making a point of saying it was just gut, but then also voted Jack on Day 2. Sprityo, are you still voting on just gut? I know you just got home and there is family to see and such so I don't want to push too hard but what's going on? You are capable of really great play as Jay pointed out but I can't say I see anything towny in your posts, and the vote for Jack on Day 2 is uninspiring or worse without a reason. Hope you are able to talk some more about this today.

Is anyone else having this same reaction or am I missing something?

Yeah I had the same feeling about spirityo so far. He hasn't done his usual amount of posting and accusing. Seems kinda blah.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

Which people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:20 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:17 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

Which people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?

I mentioned bad vibes from sloonei and sprityo before they defended Colin, so this adds to my read of them. Idk if they'd be so bold as to defend a teammate but I'm willing to put pressure there

I don't think their defense of colin makes them sketchy as much as maybe their not being their usual scum hunting selves so far this game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:03 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:43 pm Stuff in Sabie's ISO:

I know it's a lot, but I would appreciate it if someone took a look. Only need to follow my comments and what I highlight.

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Her very first two posts are "I'll catch up later"-posts. I especially don't like the putting off things when she also mentions she's excited for this game in the first post. And there's a lot of what reads like excuses in her ISO, highlighted in cyan:

Spoiler: show

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 25, 2020 8:28 pm Hey guys I didn't realize we started yet sorry about that. Looks like I have a lot to catch up on already. I'm excited for this game!

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:41 am I finally had a chance to actually read through the champion game set up and the past few pages before going back to sleep.phone is dying so I'll check back in in the morning with some thoughts so far.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 am Hey svs! it's been awhile since we've been in a game together.
I see the votes on jack and I'm not sure. I thought i had a good idea of Jack's gameplay but I've been wrong a couple times. I feel like he tries really hard to blend in and look civ when he's bad and has been a more aggressive and jokey player when civ. He accused nutella in another game and ended up getting mislynched early on and was right about her. Nutella can be difficult to read at times but I have been able to read her correctly before. When I have more time later I'll have to read through their ISOs

Nanook was bad last game I played in and he was good at seeming like a civilian for awhile. I actually only started suspecting him towards the end. I haven't had a chance to look over his civ gameplay style to see if it is similar.
I saw JJJ put me in the bottom part of the reads when I haven't even done anything yet or is it because I haven't done anything yet? I didn't even know the game had started and it's a lot to catch up on. I'm not super talkative in the beginning of games sometimes but I'm trying to get better at it.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 5:32 pm Oh right yeah sorry it was tony who also suspected nutella that game that got mislynched. Then I told everyone hey maybe they were right about nutella and she ended up being bad. Point is this seemed like a similar situation.


I'm heading home from work now and I'll catch up on what's been happening the last 8 hours. Haven't had a chance to read everything yet.

Here's the posts that Sabie talks about Radish.
Sabie talks a lot about Jack/Nut, but very little about Radish. These two posts are the only on I can find that she even mentions Radish.
And what she says is Belgian waffle. Highlighted in pink:

Spoiler: show

sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:17 pm I finally just got through everything I missed.
Sorry ever since my surgery my processing speed is a little slow so it does take me some time to read and process and understand everything. I'm not ATEing or whatever just letting people who aren't super familiar with me know that's why I'm not as quick to respond sometimes. I am trying to keep up as best as I can and respond to things as they come up.
I saw that dizzy was questioning me because of my slow start but I'm just not as talkative in the beginning of games.

I'm not sure what to think about the jack and nutella dynamic. I know Jack always jokes around about being unlynchable. If jack is bad I wonder what would be his motivation to go after nutella so intensely because if she flips town then that just makes him look bad. Nutella does also bring up a good point that jack sometimes will change his mind at the last minute and say he was just trying to see how people respond to it. I'll have to look back at that other game because it does remind me of that and jack had been right. Jack claims he has been right about nutella multiple times does anyone know of another example besides the Australian game?

Nanook almost had me fooled in all my circuits. He is good at seeming like town when he's not. I feel like he has been kind of aggressive in some points I am never a fan of calling people idiots or anything like that.
I don't know master radishes I'm not familiar with them and I missed where the case began on them. I saw some people saying it had to do with their usage of certain terms?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:44 am I feel bad for colin in that I feel like people often don't get me either but his ISO doesn't make me feel good about him. He doesn't seem to be interested in keeping up with what's going on and trying to figure things out. He asked about jack and then didn't give any further thoughts on it.

Does TH always have short responses and ask other people to make reads for him? I know I've played with him before but I don't remember. I feel like he's been kind of providing reads without much explanation and asking others to tell him why someone is scummy.

Nanook has had a big change in his tone since coming back so he must be excited about the role he got. I don't know if that's a good thing or not because he seems like he was hoping to be mafia but could just be a more exciting role. I find it weird he made it a point to point out he didn't get a mafia role.

I don't know if I've seen a bad jay before? I thought he looked like his usual self and getting discussion going and making reads. Is he different when he's bad?

Good to see sloonei seems back to his usual self. Just has to start asking more questions and have more long ISO posts and we got the old sloonei back. (Glad you're feeling better) good post on radishes I'm not familiar with them and they don't seem to be familiar with a lot of people here either so that's a good point.

Like, what does these posts about Radish say?
sabie12 What is your opinion on Radish? Should he be lynched or no?


Other posts I don't like, and why:

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sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:14 pmYou played one game with me that I can recall and you were mafia and I told everyone you were but no one believed me and then you killed me night one.

I'm terrible at day 1 reads and usually take a little while to get momentum going and be more involved. My playstyle doesn't make sense to some people but I still win games so I must be doing something right.

^Here she's referencing a game where she read me correctly as scum on D1 and says that she's terrible at D1 reads.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:16 pmSure so I'm not always as good at reading nutella as you claim to be. I thought she seemed similar this game to how she was in the Australian game with her responses to being suspected. I recall she strongly defended herself and threw suspicions in all other directions to see if it would stick. I thought that was kind of how she was reacting here. I think I've mostly seen nutella be mafia or indie in the last few games I've played with her though so that's what I'm used to seeing.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:16 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:10 pm @sabie12 I see a lot of things about nutella in your posts, but it's not clear why you voted her. Gimme the scoop.

Ive explained that I thought her playstyle was similar to what I've been seeing when she was mafia before. I'm also not the only one who suspected her. I also thought I had time to delve further into it before end of day.

^When she talks about Nut and votes her it reads both waffly and like she's distancing herself from the read or like she's trying to not be responsible for it.

This convinces me to lower my opinion of Sabie in this game. Yea multiball.

This post is old and I responded to it already.

I've been out of town at an event for the past few hours so I haven't been able to be here much today.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:02 am

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 9:55 am Sorry, S~V~S I am jumping in the shower and out the door to the gym. Quickly though, there were debates about Colin and Mac so I would look at them in ISO's if you can.

Thanks, Jules. I tend to have better comprehension reading thread exchanges than ISOs in general, I find I miss less nuance that way, but I will ISO them as well. Colin was a red read for me, but only as a default since I did not remember much of what he had said, and Mac was a red as well since he had not had anything to say after nutella flipped non-baddie, and his whole thing there reminded me of bad Mac (although I tend to baddie read him in general, so my opinion is not always the most valuable there), so they were both on my list.

Also, if there is anything I have to address, let me know.

Also, can anyone give me their take on why sprit voted for Nanook? Out of all the votes I see up there, that is the one that surprises me the most.

I was also busy yesterday but I had a chance to read up on what's been happening. Colin has been getting suspicion for not doing much of anything. A few people namely sloonei and spirit said colin often gets mislynched for this so they were wary of voting him so soon. TH said they're suspicious for defending him. I didn't see that as defending him as much as just being cautious of voting him too early without giving him a chance. I understand this because I get mislynched for my weird playstyle too sometimes but I haven't seen anything from colin that convinces me he's town. I had pointed out that sloonei and spirit haven't been their usual selves in the beginning of the game but I feel like sloonei has been more towny than spirit. Sloonei questioned me on my post and what I meant was if TH was suspecting him because of his difference in playstyle I could have understood that more than sayi g he's bad fir defending colin. I realize I worded that weird.


Sig had a big long post saying he was limited to one post and he thought mac did it. Mac disappeared for awhile and when he came back to find suspicion on him he was in full force mac mode and saying he's going to be mislynched and saying he won all these sockys so he is a good player and how could anyone accuse him and usual mac jokey stuff. He gave some reads and threw some suspicion at jack. I plan to read through his ISO and compare to some other games. He can be pretty tricky to read and as he pointed out he is a good player. I'm wondering if the more emotional mac is a scummy mac that got annoyed he was caught or just a civ mac being annoyed that anyone would suspect him.

I'm trying to enjoy my weekend but I plan to read through the ISOs and I'll be around in and out.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:05 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:57 am Question to everyone:

What role do you think targeted G Man with this curse? Uncle Fester?

Out of curiosity, why would baddies target a low poster who had very little topical content up to the point he was cursed with a curse of this nature? I would expect them to curse someone with a strong town read and a high post count.

Targeting G Man with this makes little sense to me.

linki, thanks Jules, I was about to go there myself, I am still flitting around the thread. I just like hearing other peoples interpretations of things, it helps me sort them as well as the subject of the opinion, if that makes sense.

Oh ok I won't copy it in here then. It's part of the whole Colin debate.

The only role I saw that had secrets was the Indie that's still in the game, but doesn't that feel odd, that an indie would have a cursing power? I didn't see anything else that looked like a cursing ability. And I have to agree with your logic, it doesn't make much sense that he was targeted.

I was thinking the same thing and I know I played one game where someone pretended to be cursed to avoid suspicion. I don't know if that's something gman would do.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:13 pm Oompa loompa doompadee durst,
When did I ever say I was cursed?



More after I eat some lunch.

I never thought you were cursed, but when the assumption went around, you didn't correct it earlier, did you?

Self imposed posting restrictions are a great way for a baddie to hide out, and your content is slim. I will be here on and off all day, give me some of those sweet accountant analyses, G Man.

I want you to make me believe you, you know I do.

That's what I said earlier that he could be pretending to be cursed. It was done by mafia to pretend like they were targeted by mafia so people would think they were civ

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:07 pm Yeah I don’t think a reasonable scum player is going to see they’re the top wagon and go “oh shit I guess I better admit I don’t have to post like this, that’ll convince people I’m sincere!”

I don't see a civilian motivation behind it though either. Unless he's just like I don't have time to play so I'm gonna look sketchy so people kill me and I don't have to but why not just ask for a replacement? When I've played with gman before he has done more scum hunting and participated more with providing reads and input.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:20 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:32 am I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.

Ew.

I also thought this was ew. Tranq seems to be not at all interested in this game.



What happened to jack? Ever since nutella got lynched he hasn't been around as much. I feel like he is around more and more aggressive with the scum hunting when hes a civ. It was like he mainly cared about accusing nutella and then mac and now he's just whatever about it.

I havent had a chance to read gmans huge post yet.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:03 pm Upon reviewing the whole of Mac's re-entry into the thread last night, I find myself uninspired by essentially all of it. Someone please tell me why Mac is a civilian.

I can’t, and for once I feel like I have a tangible suspicion against him as well: his “joke” about Dragomir that we had a short spat over. It was bizarre and of of nowhere, and after sleeping on it I feel like it was an attempt to slide the conversation back to a previous discussion (lynching a low poster, which both nanook and I had expressed tentative support for a little while earlier) without directly endorsing it or making it too obvious what he was doing. It looked like an awkward attempt at a transition disguised as a joke. If he genuinely wanted us to look at a low poster, he just needed to say so.

I think this is where I'm leaning with mac as well. I feel like he is trying to lead the thread in a different direction but in a sneaky way. He is a tough one to read but I'm leaning more scum on him.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:47 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:36 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:32 pm Am I blinded to scum Mac? I'm not seeing the behavior I saw in Inception and his response to being scum read is different here than he was there.

Dizzy can you talk about Jack if you're here?

How would you describe that difference between the two games? I do believe Mac is not a binary character, but I am open to whatever you have in mind.

I was trying to not talk about what I saw when he was bad because he'll just not do it but that is hampering me being able to discuss him. In Inception his style was chaos posting. He was all over the place with his reads and thoughts and at one point even said that when he's bad he tends to post like iaafr (who is a chaos poster regardless of alignment). I haven't seen him doing that here. He flipped on nutella/Jack but someone - I can't remember who this game is so flooded - walked through that flip and it made sense to me. Anyway, it wasn't chaos posting.

In Inception when I finally confronted him he didn't make jokes that I recall like he did here. He was more "serious" (if I can use that word in relation to Mac) than he was here when he was arguing about his innocence.

The primary difference though is his posting style. I just see a different Mac here.

What do you mean when you say he is not binary? Do you mean his meta is not clearly "good" Mac and "bad" Mac?

Do you think his more recent posts after responding to suspicion seemed like more chaotic posting? Where he was all over the place

I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

Mac I voted you because I think you're bad. Ive been out and about today trying to phone post and get all my thoughts out while keeping up with tons of posts happening at once. I have to vote somewhere so I voted where it made sense to me. I don't know why dizzy has it out for me this game. They keep pretending like they know me or are familiar with my playstyle when they don't. I think they are just trying to defend you and get suspicion off you by going after me because they've I'm any easy target. Maybe you guys are teammates trying to move the lynch in a different direction.

I also think TH is bad and dizzy is defending them as well so...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:15 pm I have a concern about sabie:

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sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:13 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:39 pm Ok I just read through @sprityo and almost all of it seems like fluff. He voted Jack on Day 1 making a point of saying it was just gut, but then also voted Jack on Day 2. Sprityo, are you still voting on just gut? I know you just got home and there is family to see and such so I don't want to push too hard but what's going on? You are capable of really great play as Jay pointed out but I can't say I see anything towny in your posts, and the vote for Jack on Day 2 is uninspiring or worse without a reason. Hope you are able to talk some more about this today.

Is anyone else having this same reaction or am I missing something?

Yeah I had the same feeling about spirityo so far. He hasn't done his usual amount of posting and accusing. Seems kinda blah.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:17 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

Which people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:39 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:20 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:17 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:58 pm I think the people discouraging us from a Colin vote look suspicious af

Which people? I recall sloonei and spirityo saying they were wary of a mislynch. Do you think his teammates would be obvious in defending him? I'm not a fan of colin this game either so far. Do you suspect them for any other reason or just that?

I mentioned bad vibes from sloonei and sprityo before they defended Colin, so this adds to my read of them. Idk if they'd be so bold as to defend a teammate but I'm willing to put pressure there

I don't think their defense of colin makes them sketchy as much as maybe their not being their usual scum hunting selves so far this game.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:36 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:29 pm

G-Man wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:13 pm Oompa loompa doompadee durst,
When did I ever say I was cursed?



More after I eat some lunch.

I never thought you were cursed, but when the assumption went around, you didn't correct it earlier, did you?

Self imposed posting restrictions are a great way for a baddie to hide out, and your content is slim. I will be here on and off all day, give me some of those sweet accountant analyses, G Man.

I want you to make me believe you, you know I do.

That's what I said earlier that he could be pretending to be cursed. It was done by mafia to pretend like they were targeted by mafia so people would think they were civ

(the above is in conjunction with this post)

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:20 pm

Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:32 am I see sabie12 and Michelle share my suspicion of TH (maybe others too, i did not read everything, and probably won't get around to it), so i'm glad to see i'm not the only one. I'm putting a vote there.

Ew.

I also thought this was ew. Tranq seems to be not at all interested in this game.

What happened to jack? Ever since nutella got lynched he hasn't been around as much. I feel like he is around more and more aggressive with the scum hunting when hes a civ. It was like he mainly cared about accusing nutella and then mac and now he's just whatever about it.

I havent had a chance to read gmans huge post yet.

(the above post is where this concern crystallized for me)

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:03 pm Upon reviewing the whole of Mac's re-entry into the thread last night, I find myself uninspired by essentially all of it. Someone please tell me why Mac is a civilian.

I can’t, and for once I feel like I have a tangible suspicion against him as well: his “joke” about Dragomir that we had a short spat over. It was bizarre and of of nowhere, and after sleeping on it I feel like it was an attempt to slide the conversation back to a previous discussion (lynching a low poster, which both nanook and I had expressed tentative support for a little while earlier) without directly endorsing it or making it too obvious what he was doing. It looked like an awkward attempt at a transition disguised as a joke. If he genuinely wanted us to look at a low poster, he just needed to say so.

I think this is where I'm leaning with mac as well. I feel like he is trying to lead the thread in a different direction but in a sneaky way. He is a tough one to read but I'm leaning more scum on him.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:12 pm I've also not been a fan of TH this game I just read the ISO. My first issue with them at the beginning of the game was making reads with no real explanation. Then their treatment of colin was weird to me like they were so sure its gotta be colin and anyone who thought maybe give colin a chance must be bad too. Now all of a sudden since no one was following that he's onto something else. Shrug idk I don't feel great about him so far.

I think right now though I feel worse about mac. I'm not seeing him as civ and in looking back at other games I could see his responses as a scum mac. He is trying to get people off himself without trying to make cases elsewhere. His blindly following jack on nutella was meh. I know he has a way of trying to sneakily get suspicion in different directions without directly saying it.
[VOTE: mac] aubergine

It is starting to feel like sabie is simply agreeing with/supporting or encouraging every suspicion that gets voiced in the thread. That would be opportunism at its most glaring.

I've never had success at identifying mafia sabie, and I've misidentified town sabie as mafia multiple times in the past as well, though I think I've gotten slightly better in that regard (or perhaps more hesitant to suspect her) in more recent games. But this is a patter that I'm observing in this game that I have not recognized before. To be clear, I've seen sabie latch onto other people's suspicions plenty of times as a civilian in the past; who doesn't do that? But I'm also used to seeing her generate unique opinions and state her disagreement with cases now and again. I feel like she is disproportionately voicing support of other people's suspicions in this game, and that worries me.

I've had a hard time making reads this game it's such a big game and so much going on while also balancing real life things. I have a hard time keeping up sometimes and I respond when I'm able to to things that make sense to me. I think mac is going after me because I am easy to go after. I'm not a strong player early game and I know that's a weakness of mine because it takes me awhile to get into it. Also I'd like to point out that mac was town reading me and didnt have any problem with me whatsoever until I voted for him. Then all of a sudden I'm bad because I accused him.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:22 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:20 pm I've had a hard time making reads this game it's such a big game and so much going on while also balancing real life things. I have a hard time keeping up sometimes and I respond when I'm able to to things that make sense to me. I think mac is going after me because I am easy to go after. I'm not a strong player early game and I know that's a weakness of mine because it takes me awhile to get into it. Also I'd like to point out that mac was town reading me and didnt have any problem with me whatsoever until I voted for him. Then all of a sudden I'm bad because I accused him.

My mind is far from made up at the moment. It would help if you could identify a few town reads that you have so far in this game.

tony because he is way more involved and trying to appear civ when he's mafia from what I've seen.
Juliets seems like she's been putting in effort and trying to figure things out.
Epi seems like his usual.
You now that you've gotten more into the swing of things.
Ted seems okay so far aside from being a little less talkative than I've seen before.
Dom seems more towny this game to me.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:41 pm I'm back.

@sabie12 did you see the question I asked earlier about what scum games of mac's you are comparing him to here? I didn't see an answer but maybe I missed it.

I was thinking of world asunder and the fallout game. In the fallout game he was on my team so I felt like he's been acting similar here in this game. As opposed to when he's been town like in all my circuits.

I don't feel like spirityo has been his usual towny self. He hasn't been as involved and sometimes has a tendency to come off aggressive when he's town.

Awesome glad we got a good result! I hope radish comes back to play again sometime. Now I can go enjoy the rest of my evening.

This game has been so hard for me to follow It takes me at least a half hour to catch up on reading everything after I leave and come back. I don't know why me voting for nutella who did not flip town and mac who is not confirmed town must mean I'm bad. I voted for mac because I thought his gameplay matched his other mafia gameplay before. We still don't know that mac isn't bad. I can see why people think I'm not playing well this game and that's a fair assessment because I'm having a hard time keeping up and making reads there is so much going on. So yeah I am trying my best and I always think it's better to be honest and to at least try to put my vote somewhere that I think makes sense than to make up fake reads or not vote at all. People always think I'm scummy because my posts are weird and my gameplay style doesn't make sense to them.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:55 am

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:21 am This game has been so hard for me to follow It takes me at least a half hour to catch up on reading everything after I leave and come back. I don't know why me voting for nutella who did not flip town and mac who is not confirmed town must mean I'm bad. I voted for mac because I thought his gameplay matched his other mafia gameplay before. We still don't know that mac isn't bad. I can see why people think I'm not playing well this game and that's a fair assessment because I'm having a hard time keeping up and making reads there is so much going on. So yeah I am trying my best and I always think it's better to be honest and to at least try to put my vote somewhere that I think makes sense than to make up fake reads or not vote at all. People always think I'm scummy because my posts are weird and my gameplay style doesn't make sense to them.

It’s more that your vote pattern fits a radish teammate

You also voted mac over radishes so what does that say about you? I have said before I'm not familiar with radishes and had nothing to compare to. I know they are newer here and don't know a lot of people and I didnt know if they came off as scummy because of that. When I played in all my circuits this happened to therealet and everyone gave them a super hard time and they ended up being civ. I didn't have any real read on radishes so I didnt vote there. When I made my post about mac and TH the reason I included both of them is because they were the wagons with the most votes so I put my thoughts on both. Then I saw slooneis post town reading TH which led me more in the direction of voting mac over TH at the time. Then I wasn't around because I was busy IRL. That's about it. I always think it's so funny when people look way too far into what I'm doing when there isn't anything behind it.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:12 pm I'm like 80% sure sabie flips scum, and it's not only because of the wall I've made but that's pretty fabulous. I've taken into account her surgery and this is why I'm currently not haphazardly pushing her to reply to my post, I'm sure she will, I'll give her the time she needs.

I do have one question, nutella, do you have a history of correctly reading sabie? Any reason why she would fear you if she were scum? stuff like that

Ohhhhh ted I haven't gotten to your tldr post yet I'm at work but I'm checking in here and there. Are we going to go through this whole thing a third time? Where you accuse me of being scummy because you don't understand the way I play and then mansplain how I should be playing and then you find out you were wrong about me and then I help win the game. It's always so fun

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:03 pm sabie, i declare you my arch nemesis on syndicate. i have an arch nemesis on MU which I always scum read and it's not anything that you can do about it, unfortunately, so maybe we could work on switching the frame to a more positive one. you can like laugh at me and then reminisce at these games when we will hopefully be playing in the future and go



and having a grin on your face

i have much respect for my arch nemesis

Awww yes I considered you my arch nemesis too! Its official we are now arch nemeses! Much respect to you as well

(Spirityo would probably be my other one we've had some fun arguments too. World asunder was cray)

I will read and respond to your post when I get home.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:10 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:21 pm sabie created a dichotomy between Jack and nutella

sabie said jack wouldn't push nutella because him doing that as scum and being wrong will make him a suspect. she votes nutella.

jack backs out. sabie says "well that doesn't change how I feel about nutella cuz I would've expected jack to do that anyway"

"I", as in, her own read. sabie didn't say anything about nutella before that.

Therefore, Sabie is scum and I am town.

Why does this make me scum? I was trying to say that Im not just following your votes around and I'm making my own reads based on her in other games. I thought she was playing how she has in games where she has been mafia. Also, the day was ended before I would have had a chance to consider voting someone else. Also also nutella ended up being not town also also also I just hate anyone telling me how to do something that I know how to do I just go about it a different way. Going back to work now.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:04 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:03 pmCuz I know how to think like people who play differently than I do

Then think like me and suspect her.

You stopped suspecting me though. Like I asked why you are so hard on me and why you've been pretending like you know anything about me or my playstyle and you're like eh idk. You suspect me for being waffley when you yourself have been waffley.
I'll openly admit that I've been waffley because I don't know for sure who is bad and I'm doing the best I can to figure it out.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:15 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:12 pmYou stopped suspecting me though. Like I asked why you are so hard on me and why you've been pretending like you know anything about me or my playstyle and you're like eh idk. You suspect me for being waffley when you yourself have been waffley.
I'll openly admit that I've been waffley because I don't know for sure who is bad and I'm doing the best I can to figure it out.

Radish flipped scum and you look like his teammate. Is that not clear? If you want to clear yourself, find Radishes teammates.

I'm working on it at my own pace. I could see gman or nanook at this point. And I did read Ted's tldr post about me but you're right me sitting here defending myself over and over about voting mac isn't helpful so ima focus more on isos and figuring things out this day phase.