The Syndicate

Hey all I'm here! It looks like I've missed a bunch already! Craziness!

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:56 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:55 pm Hey all I'm here! It looks like I've missed a bunch already! Craziness!
We got one folks!

Wouldn't be mafia without nova accusing me on my first post everytime we play together

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:59 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:57 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:56 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:55 pm Hey all I'm here! It looks like I've missed a bunch already! Craziness!
We got one folks!
Wouldn't be mafia without nova accusing me on my first post everytime we play together
Appeal to history, not a good look

Lolol indeed, hope you're doing well!

Haha yeah I'm used to it by now. If you didn't do it I would get suspicious. I'm doing okay hope you are too!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:01 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:55 pm Hey all I'm here! It looks like I've missed a bunch already! Craziness!
Oh hi who are your teammates?

Who are YOUR teammates mac?

I'm too old for all the new fangled abbreviations.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:57 pm bearded dragons are awesome tbh my friend has one and shes just like a silly grumpy cat

I had a pet beardie named merlin he was the best. He would cuddle up and fall asleep on me.

I have no idea how that emoji got there ugh this phone is so glitchy

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 11:03 pm Sahbs is in this game?? Hi sahbs

Ah yes Clam nice to see you

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 11:16 am Is Chuck even real?

Plot twist chuck is the only real person here and the rest of us aren't.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:31 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:30 pm we only have 24 hours for d1 not 48 hours keep in mind guys

Haha yeah day 1 reads are rough as it is and then in this setup it's going to be hard, but we can do it!

112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:54 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:50 pm
112 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:31 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:30 pm we only have 24 hours for d1 not 48 hours keep in mind guys

Haha yeah day 1 reads are rough as it is and then in this setup it's going to be hard, but we can do it!
scummy enthusiasm

Just trying to keep things positive and enjoy the game. I could be more snarky and pessimistic, but I'd rather not.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:27 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:46 am oh oh oh oh and also alison why did we drop thunal out of the towncore?
I picked the people that I thought were all town, and who also think that each other are town. Mac thinks Thunal is scum, so I have to pick one, and I'm slightly more interested in towncoring with him on the basis that I think he has the ability to act as a check and balance and ensure that we don't confbias ourself into orbit or induct a wolf into the core.

The reason I townread Mac is essentially that I see his "I'm lost and I hate this game" attitude as being believable for town!Mac and the way he's been circling around and around just seems devoid of agenda to me. LIke let's say Mac is scum, what exactly is he doing here? His play makes no sense to me if he's scum, he's not killing townies or ingratiating himself as a trusted figure, he's giving bold anti-consensus takes, but he's not really powerwolfing with those takes either. For players like nutella and me that he knows well specifically, I expect him to take firmer stances and either try to pocket or bury us if he's scum, and he's not really done either, which sells the "confused/lost townie" narrative to me.
I think Mac's reaction to Nutella calling his takes bad come from town more often than not since it shows he actually believes in those takes. I just reread some of Mac's ISO in Lend's Bastard Fiesta (where he was town D1 but then converted to 3p) and as town his takes were considerably further away from the consensus than as 3p.

I agree with this that I've seen mac be confident in reads as town even if its wrong or not the popular opinion and is more laid back.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:22 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:19 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 1:27 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 12:46 am oh oh oh oh and also alison why did we drop thunal out of the towncore?
I picked the people that I thought were all town, and who also think that each other are town. Mac thinks Thunal is scum, so I have to pick one, and I'm slightly more interested in towncoring with him on the basis that I think he has the ability to act as a check and balance and ensure that we don't confbias ourself into orbit or induct a wolf into the core.

The reason I townread Mac is essentially that I see his "I'm lost and I hate this game" attitude as being believable for town!Mac and the way he's been circling around and around just seems devoid of agenda to me. LIke let's say Mac is scum, what exactly is he doing here? His play makes no sense to me if he's scum, he's not killing townies or ingratiating himself as a trusted figure, he's giving bold anti-consensus takes, but he's not really powerwolfing with those takes either. For players like nutella and me that he knows well specifically, I expect him to take firmer stances and either try to pocket or bury us if he's scum, and he's not really done either, which sells the "confused/lost townie" narrative to me.
I think Mac's reaction to Nutella calling his takes bad come from town more often than not since it shows he actually believes in those takes. I just reread some of Mac's ISO in Lend's Bastard Fiesta (where he was town D1 but then converted to 3p) and as town his takes were considerably further away from the consensus than as 3p.
I agree with this that I've seen mac be confident in reads as town even if its wrong or not the popular opinion and is more laid back.
Would you consider Mac laid back this game? I don't think he is but I've seen some people say this is tame for Mac.

For now yeah he's laid back for him, but day 1 also just started so that could change.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 2:53 pm Wow, tons of new players. Nice to meet ya’ll. I’m Jack and I’m unchoppable.

Is Chuck Speedchuck or nah?

Not sure if I’ve actually played a game with Alison or Tutuu yet so that’ll be fun.

Welcome to the game Jack.

That remains to be seen. I don't think chuck has posted.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 3:13 pm Hey hey Sabie.

How ya doing? Got any reads so far?

I'm pretty good you? Haven't seen you since uhhh awhile.

I'm not sure yet I don't feel confident about anyone in particular. I suck at day 1 reads. I liked the interaction between tutuu and sig I think that it seemed genuine. I think with the little bit of interaction I've seen from nova and nanook they seem okay just based on previous experience. I'm not sure what to make of the CDC thing but as alison said they seem to be quite familiar with each other so perhaps are able to sort each other out. I'm kinda iffy on your slot and the poison radish slot but shrug I don't know.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:14 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:08 pm literally what the fuck sprityo im going to miss the last six hours of eod what are you australian???!?!?!??
I miss 90% of EODs lol

Oh wait yeah I just realized the EODs are going to be when I'm at work during the week.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 4:42 pm Where I would like to vote right now in order
KZA
Sig
Nova
Poison
SlooneiOfHearts2005

Where I have bad vibes, but am not ready to vote (in order)
Nik
GrandScheme
Sabie

(Also idk if u remember me Sabie, but Hi!! I think we were btsc in my first game!)

Hey made! Nice to see you again! Of course I remember that was my first game ever too! Miss piggy and Kermit haha

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 5:51 pm so my understanding is that nik has actually scumclaimed several times lol

Hmmm I could see NIK as being scum after reading the ISO. Are you referring to how they said falc should trust their scum read on them? Or that they're slanking (which keeps autocorrecting to spanking on my phone) or something else?

I'm leaning towards NIK. It's not set in stone but I think some of the responses like seeming okay with being scum read and saying they're slanking as well as continuing to say they're catching up but then not. I'm not super sure but it seems like the best option at this time. Also, could maybe vote for radishes. My brain is hurting from trying time process everything I'm going to sleep soon and I'll be back later.

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

Some people feel it is important to be called by the correct pronouns. I typically use "they" unless I know for sure their preference.

Well awesome that was the best possible result. Welcome to the game chuck.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:08 am nice

so Nutella is basically 100% locktown, Alison very likely town as well. LC might have been openwolfing with that EoD, but I genuinely can't decide if he would be that obviously trying to save his partner as scum.

I wondered that as well but I don't know if he would have been that obvious about it

112 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:06 am [VOTE: Sabie12] aubergine

It's not me but I know I haven't played a great game so far yet. I sometimes take awhile to get going in games as it takes me awhile to process things and I know sometimes people think I'm sketchy because of it. I'm going to try to be more involved this day phase as much as I can be.

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:18 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:08 am nice

so Nutella is basically 100% locktown, Alison very likely town as well. LC might have been openwolfing with that EoD, but I genuinely can't decide if he would be that obviously trying to save his partner as scum.
No, I'm just that lame. I'm far more likely to bus if he's my teammate, not that very regrettable crap.

I don't think I have ever read jack right in any games I play with him.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:33 am
Made wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:16 am
Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:14 am
Made wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:12 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:07 am ANNOUNCEMENT: THE OBLITERATOR HAS TRIED TO KILL @Made AS THE TRACKER AND FAILED
To be honest, I thought I was playing this hand too hard, but nice to learn the rolebaiting worked
Nice work doc. Saved yourself and a towny!
obligatory WIFOM: Oblitorator would know the results of a wrong Oblitorator guess would be posted in thread (probably), so this does not really clear me
I get that. But from my pov your vote already looks good on you.

NIK showing up D2 and actually contributing would help my read here, but I really feel like the scum jumped on the NIK wagon.

Something about a group of outsiders playing and having one of that crew be singled out seems to call wolves to the wagon.
I experienced that in a big way in the Simpsons game. Slightly different circumstance, but I think the scenario applies.
It's an easy out for any of the locals. "These new guys know eachother and thought NIK is trash, so I voted there because I HAVE NO READS ON ANY OF THE PEOPLE I NORMALLY PLAY WITH"

Something like that. I'm looking at Thundrpants, Grand Scheme, that rando 112 just voted for, and Mac.
I think Mac is fucking with us.

Guess I should have done a sock puppet account entitled "that rando". I voted for NIK because I thought they were sketchy. That's how the game works is it not?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:43 am apologies for missing the vote, i read "7" and assumed it meant "7PM"

I realized that somehow I never set my time when the time change happened and I thought ended an hour later than it did.

I don't want to give away my role but nutella you didn't do anything by role blocking me. If that's why you think I'm mafia then that's incorrect.

Though it would seem I'm not even worth the respect of anyone asking me anything or even calling me by my own name.

I think the NIK voters may be a good place to look but also there were people who voted off wagon perhaps to avoid suspicion all together.
I'm going to bed and I'll come back to this later

What I'm saying is no one was giving any reasons why everyone was voting for me and then nutella said she role blocked me which sounded like that's why she was voring for me. I'm just saying its not a good reason.

I did not vote for jack because as i said I always read him wrong and I didn't feel I had a good read on him yet. I also messed up EOD time because of not fixing the time on my account. I also thought NIK was the right way to go at the time and I wasn't the only one to think that. I do have to sleep though for real.
I'll be around more tomorrow

Okay so jacks teammates may not have even known who he was? And if they didn't then we can't assume NIK is town and vote analysisis a bit more difficult. I've never played a game where the jailor was deciding but I guess the potential issue is the jailor would have to out themselves if they were going to try to out another person's power so they can't they just have to decide in talking to the person if they're believable or not. So the person would pick from a consensus list of people and decide? I don't know my brain hurts trying to process. So like the jailor idea may not move the game forward or may end up getting town people killed I think it has the potential to give the obliterator more info.

I get why people want to try and come up with creative ways to game solve but I also do agree just playing the game would be nice too

Yeah polypies probably scum. I looked at their ISO which is pretty much them having a conversation with themselves saying jack and nik were scummy but also towny? Then that's about it. So yeah that's not great at all.

Also have nova and nanook been around anymore? Chuck was here for like 5 minutes and myo?

Where did everyone go?

Lawl Jack just hanging out in the poll still voting himself is kind of amusing.

I'm still at work but in catching up I see not much has changed. Still nothing from polypies or NIK to help their case.

I feel like the game in general is kinda low energy right now. Like I feel like there's a lot of players that haven't come back in, in awhile. I'll be back in for a bit after work.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:14 pm
112 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 11:05 pm Martin looks good on the surface, but is he bringing the big ments?
Not really tbh in both aspects, if you compare to some of my other town games

It may sound a bit lazy, but honestly I don't want to delve further in a 24-player game-state with my current reads because I don't know where to set my "town" bar just yet; or I'll start overthinking things and start scum-reading people who should (or arguably) be obviously town if you look at things on the surface level.

On a smaller scale game its much more easier to handle for me, idk how else to put it.

I'm also waiting to see more content from people who I suspect such as Sig since he hasn't popped up for D2 yet.

I can relate to this sometimes bigger games are harder for me to process especially with a lot of people I'm not as familiar with.
I was also wondering what happened to sig and nova as well. They kinda disappeared.

NIK could be 3p maybe? I still feel like the case against them is strong though. Does anyone know polypies? Is this normal for them to like talk to themselves and post a couple times and then not do anything else?

If there's been a pill this whole time that makes you better at this game I've been missing out.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:03 am why do you say nik could be 3p sabie? talk me through that thought

Well under normal game circumstances I feel like sometimes a person who is widely suspected by most players ends up being 3p. I recall that happening a couple times in previous games. I feel like NIK is more likely to be scum or 3p than town at this point based on their posting and gameplay so far. Though with the weird setup in this game I guess maybe that logic doesn't make as much sense I don't know.

My thought process was I recall in a couple of games there were situations that ended up with unanimous everyone felt the person was scummy and they ended up being 3p that's all. People always want to way over read into the things I say and it was just a thought. If I'm way off and that makes no sense then never mind. I know people think I'm weird and I say weird things but its just my way if processing what's happening and trying to make the best decision about who to vote for.

So I guess I'm going to vote NIK. They say they always bus as scum and they voted for jack who was scum. In this game though with the uncertainity about whether scum knows thier teammates the idea that they would have bussed wouldn't make sense as a defense.

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

I had a crazy day yesterday and ended up missing a lot in EOD I guess. Nova came back and MR got tons of votes in a short period of time and wasn't even here. Aaaaand no one is talking now *crickets*.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:14 am Day 3 and not one townie dead

Yeah weird but I guess the game does seem to be more town sided so that's good. I just hope we're able to keep it up.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 3:08 am Just popping in before I go to sleep

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 2:51 am I told GD to offer a bargain to Martin by the way. Who did you roleblock Martin?

I think GD should probably offer a bargain to Falcon tonight.
Assuming I got the role-block ability the instant I agreed to the deal, then I role-blocked Towny McTownFace (aka NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME).

They only had 3 posts for the D2 phase. While they could have valid reasons for not being active much on that day phase, its his last two posts that bothered me:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 9:24 am
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 12:54 am Nanook tried to shield sabie, thats a yuck from me dawg
Yeah cause she’s probably town

Besides that Mac is TRing me and has yet to get me wrong, so either you think he’s town and should sheep his read or you think he’s mafia and we’d be playing more in sync thus making me town, either way I’m town and you’re just gonna have to deal with it

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 5:04 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:28 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:27 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 6:23 pm Towny McTownface? More like Stupid McStupidface amirite
They're Nanook btw, ditched the sock-puppet.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 10:47 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:23 pm
Towny McTownface wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:36 am Am I the only one that used a sockpuppet?

Towny McTownface wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 8:41 am I was under the impression that sock puppets were going to be the default, but now I just feel kinda silly
hi LC
Actually it’s me

Sprit said I could ditch the sockpuppet account and just use my normal one, so that’s what I’m doing. Feels kind of silly when there’s only three other sock puppets in the game lmao

Oh, that's useful info, thank you.

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Nanookthegreatandfearsome? More like Nanookthestupidandstupid.
WOW fuckin rude man
These had nearly 300 posts-in-between, and nothing new. Not to mention the last post here being from #2563 (it has been 400-ish posts since then).

Now, I don't know what Nanook does (or if they say anything) when they get busy, but it feels wrong to have this statement out there.

Of course, I don't know Nanook a whole lot but I can't really look away from this and say "its not scummy".

Not to mention Nutella didn't seem to like them earlier in that first quote but that's beside my point.

From what I've seen in other games nanook is way more talkative so him being quiet is out of the ordinary for him.

I re read Alison's post and I realize now that I must have misunderstood the gambit demon thing with the role vlocka and all that. Makes more sense now.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:22 am And yes I fully intend to continue slanking for awhile this is my preferred approach to big games

I feel this. I know I haven't been playing my best game. Sometimes in big games like this it takes me awhile to process everything and get going. I'm trying though.

Wow this phone does some weird things with autocorrect sometimes I meant role blocks

I see nanook voted for NIK. I had been scum reading them before but they keep being saved by votes elsewhere. Day 1 it was to get jack who was mafia so not as much to be gleaned there but day 2 towards the EOD the whole thread shifted to MR. Are we going with the assumption that mafia does know each other or not? If they do would they be trying to save a teammate or have we been wrong about NIK? Does NIK seem compatible with anyone if they do know each other?

Gah I have to get to work I'll pop back in later.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:59 pm it used to be that you could just get through a mafia game only reading half the posts and people would just like help you catch up and tell you what you missed and then you'd just be like "i don't trust your firsthand account of these events which i haven't experienced personally" and then you'd just lynch Dr. Wilgy and win.

what happened

Haha yeah the good ol days. Though good ol wilgy always ends up being town.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:24 pm based on my iso of NIK, slanders is town

Are you saying NIK is town or Flanders is town?

Made wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 8:36 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 1:50 am Been re-reading the movements at the 4 hour mark and my come back to the thread last EoD. Falcon was the first to switch to Poly giving me room, the wagon then picked up with 112, me, nutella switching to it in quick succession and in that order. All 3 of them are already consensus town, this just strengthen that. Like unless Nik is also mafia, a wolf amongst them doesn't give me room by switching to a third wagon that is their teammate especially with how easy it'd be to bury Nik there. Even in a wolf!Nik world, doubt that happens 'cause Nik would be the more efficient bus with them being much more suspected than Poly and likely to die in the very near future. Martin switched not long after as well, shielding me too with Nik as their second choice. Good guy Martin. A few peeps were present and didn't entertain it, not sure if it just happened too quickly. Think thunal was one.

Made's post 2781 is extremely ugly. It does nothing except shade the wagon, it doesn't reflect someone wanting to figuring out what's going on and the reasoning behind the switch or the suspicion on Poly. Weird tone, kind of like they're disappointed lol.

Second shift started after I mentioned Poison/MR. I promise this wasn't to save Poly lmao, I just failed successfully. Was sharing legacy reads and snap takes since I thought I was still likely to die at the time. Definitely a good look for me combined with earlier trying to survive through a Poly exe rather than Nik which was the easier option. Unless of course, one thinks we're all 3 teamed. Lock me town and throw away the key. Also it got us a fucking SK/Cult indie, come on now.

"Catching up" Thunal is the first one down for a CFD there, not a big fan. I chalked her not entertaining Poly initially as catching up so being late, but she immediately jumped on this one. That coupled with an earlier grouping of me and Poly as LHF and meh docks a few townie points from her that I gave last phase. Still in the positive I believe.

Thundercat jumps in on Poly, I think at this stage Nik and Poly are neck to neck while my wagon trailing. Good look. He's also not immediately sold on the MR wagon when it picks up, noice.

Thunal, Nutella and I switch to MR. Martin switches later, then Made. Kind of got tired, so will do the rest later and flesh out conclusions rather than narrate lol. Meh.
I'm seeing what you're saying with Nova, moving to
[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

So you were voting nova and then nutella accused you nova me and nanook. Then you post a giant post from nova that doesn't mention me but accuses you and now that's why you moved your vote to me?

Grand Scheme wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 9:53 pm So one of these players is not the Oracle, and is just trying to get a gun? A suicide gun? Do we assume the liar is bad? Maybe it's some town who just wants a gun real bad.

It sounds like the plan is if kza is being truthful for them to get a gun shoot someone and then reveal another players role because the gun kills them and they reveal someone upon their death.

I have not seen where there is any actual case on me just a bunch of people piling votes on me. Cool. I'll assume it's because I haven't been super involved which I get because the timing of things hasn't worked out great for me in this game so like I haven't gotten super into it.
I didn't realize it was okay to just vote people and not say anything as to why but that seems to be the trend now. That makes this game so much easier then.
So in that case [VOTE: made] aubergine I don't understand his motivations behind some of the things he's said and I find him scummy. I'm going to sleep and enjoy my day and not think about this game anymore because I don't want to.

NIK wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:05 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:03 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:01 am NIK could be 3p maybe? I still feel like the case against them is strong though. Does anyone know polypies? Is this normal for them to like talk to themselves and post a couple times and then not do anything else?
NIK is still mos def a worthy lynch. No idea about polypies, but they're not the only player doing that.
Sure if its for being useless i agree. For being scummy i think your case is lacking
Im not getting lynched tho..well its a possibility but i dont think so

Well I hate to keep going down this same road but like NIK posted this and then towards EOD the poll moved away from them and they didn't get chopped. Did NIK have teammates that helped? I don't know I still think NIKs ISO is scummy.

Hate to go down this road again but

[VOTE: NIK] aubergine

I think scum must be having fun getting everyone to vote for me because I'm an easy target since I haven't been around much. It's funny how one or two people just said hey vote sabie just because and then a bunch of people hopped on. Easy way for mafia to jump on to a mischop.

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