The Syndicate

Oh swag. Am I speed man or chuck man?

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 9:18 am Just discovered the Mega Man Legacy Collection is on Steam for less than a tenner... Worthwhile investment?

I may have to check that out, actually. Had no idea the classics were so available.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:56 pm recruitment science fathers, please put me and speedchuck on opposite teams so i can inexorably cement my lead and finally retire from mafia forever

You mean you don't want a three way between me, you, and Quin?

Three way TIE*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:17 pm It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:29 am okay bye 4 real luv u all soooOOOOoooo muchz :-* :-*
good lord

ok imma throw you a bone buddy

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

*puts a pillow under jay's head*

You always do this lately.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?

Good way of look at whether people read the rules or not.

This isn't a closed setup, dude. It's an open setup with most details hidden.

Sprityo has been possessed: A diatribe on blasé happiness

DAY ZERO:

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 4:59 am *DUN NUN*

I am present.

Presence

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:03 am Megaman2 was the best mega man change my mind

Aggression

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 7:58 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:39 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 5:03 am Megaman2 was the best mega man change my mind
Have you made ample consideration?
Yeah. MM2 has the best music too

Doubling down

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:45 pm
Bullzeye wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 1:14 pm I would like to be recruited by whoever is going to win. Thanks.
JaggedJimmyJay

Humour

Then...
DAY ONE STARTO

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:23 am Hi everyone, we’re here to have a fun time and be friendly to eachother, right?! Let’s do our best to have a beautiful day

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:25 am
K-Ness wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:50 am I'll resist the urge to get into the technical definition of reploid (pings me a bit that it was used, but it's probably just an honest mistake).

Being completely frank, I have some gut feelings on a couple of players, but I admit that I am not familiar with most of the players here. There are a few standout interactions that are pinging me, though.
Don’t worry so much K-Ness. We’re all friends here! Let’s all get along and have a wonderful time.

Sprityo has been turned into a hugs and kisses bot by his alignment. Is it because he was recruited by Wiley or Light?

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

change my mind

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:58 am Light doesn't recruit. Just Wiley. The reason I know this is that I didn't get notified Wiley recruited me. The reason you don't know this...

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

"Thomas Light receives the remaining Robot Masters as civilian Robot Masters. The civilians win by eliminating Dr. Wily and his Robot Masters."

Read the freaking rules, dude.

And yes, I know I said recruited instead of received. Don't care.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:18 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?
Good way of look at whether people read the rules or not.

This isn't a closed setup, dude. It's an open setup with most details hidden.
So how many bad robots are there?

4 robots plus Wily

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:08 pm speedchuck why did you vote for me

"Gee guys, nothing at all happened at the end of day one and I never got a recruitment PM no sirree"

That was your first post of D1, paraphrased by me. Or something like that. Why did you vote for me?

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:27 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:29 am okay bye 4 real luv u all soooOOOOoooo muchz :-* :-*
good lord

ok imma throw you a bone buddy

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

*puts a pillow under jay's head*
You always do this lately.
i don't know what you're talking about. ive never put a pillow under jay's head before

(no really I don't know what you're talking about.)

You voted me in courage for bad reasons. Same in firefly. And now...

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:11 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:27 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:29 am okay bye 4 real luv u all soooOOOOoooo muchz :-* :-*
good lord

ok imma throw you a bone buddy

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

*puts a pillow under jay's head*
You always do this lately.
i don't know what you're talking about. ive never put a pillow under jay's head before

(no really I don't know what you're talking about.)
You voted me in courage for bad reasons. Same in firefly. And now...

Ok do you have a point or...

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:26 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:11 pm Good: Luna, Mac, Jack, Nutella, Speedchuck

Bad: Quin, Sloonei, Long Con, JJJ
mmm wrong about LC but otherwise k

I was gonna actually say this, though. LC is good fam.

I am sus of Quin yo

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 9:42 pm I am sus of Quin yo
it doesn't count unless you mention your quindar

Yeah, if it was a quindar thing, I'd vote you. I don't have a toneread from the quindar yet.

I think the reason people suspect Quin is because his "what are tha rules " posts were the most fake-sounding

That's my reason enyway

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:22 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:20 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 1:14 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:59 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:57 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:48 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:44 am

If you insist.

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine
Why her?
Don't like her defence of speedchuck.
What don't you like about it? And what do you think of speedchuck?
She called a speedchuck lynch on day 1 lazy (as though he, over anyone else, deserves to live longer than Day 1) and gave me some crap about how she didn't want him to be lynched because of the 'speedchuck is always bad' rhetoric. Nobody has brought up the speedchuck is always bad rhetoric.

She wants to save speedchuck for disingenuous reasons. Not sure if buddying or w/w, but she's bad.
I can think of at least one reason why lunalee would be emotionally compeled to defend speedchuck and it has nothing to do with this game.
Is it because they're smushing booties?

Sloonei probably is town. Even if he is pushing me to actually hunt.

I'll probably devote an hour later today to finding someone. Busy day as is. Doubt I'll stay on Sprit, though I'm still weirded out by his buddy-buddy shtick.

Guess I'll go back and see why we lynched Eloh over Quin.

Hot takes on a skim read:

If Quin is town, JJJ is probably town

Quin doesn't feel genuquin though. Everyone wants to lynch him, which is a good sign for his alignment, but I'm just not getting it.

Eloh lynch was, in fact, garbage, and she was lynched for the same reasons she usually gets mislynched.

Nutella feels like she knew too well that the lynch was bad. She had Eloh early, then avoided the splashback.

Coliniscool is the towniest person. I will die on that hill.

People think I'm scum a lot. Actually, I WIN as scum a lot. I've got a bunch of town losses to make up for it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 10:24 pm I don't like it.
what's your concern about luna's reaction to the eloh flip?
It’s not the reaction alone that bothers me. It’s the whole thing. She was present but not active at end of day and all of her participation was geared toward quietly pushing the lynch of the inactive option.

For the record, the present but not active thing is NAI.

I'm on my phone RN. I'll comb the thread and hit up JJJ and Quin and whoever with clarifying replies tomorrow.

Way I see the setup, you have dr lite + mm + rejected robot masters versus wily + 4 robot masters. The other two are ???

Quin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:57 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pm Hot takes on a skim read:

If Quin is town, JJJ is probably town

Quin doesn't feel genuquin though. Everyone wants to lynch him, which is a good sign for his alignment, but I'm just not getting it.

Eloh lynch was, in fact, garbage, and she was lynched for the same reasons she usually gets mislynched.

Nutella feels like she knew too well that the lynch was bad. She had Eloh early, then avoided the splashback.

Coliniscool is the towniest person. I will die on that hill.

People think I'm scum a lot. Actually, I WIN as scum a lot. I've got a bunch of town losses to make up for it.
please explain

JJJ (from what I read) really pushed things over the edge to lynch Eloh. Rather than you. Could be a save if you're mafia, though I doubt JJJ would be that brazen.
If you're town, though, that would mean scum JJJ pushed the lynch over to Eloh for literally no reason?
(disclaimer: I could not see the votes in real time. This is from a skim read.)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:36 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pm Quin doesn't feel genuquin though. Everyone wants to lynch him, which is a good sign for his alignment, but I'm just not getting it.
these sentences confuse me. you don't get why he is a civilian, or why everyone wanting to lynch him is a good sign for him, or why he doesn't feel genuine, or something else?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pmEloh lynch was, in fact, garbage, and she was lynched for the same reasons she usually gets mislynched.
i don't think this is true at all, and i need you to expand

I don't get the same town quin as normal. Normally I feel like quin acts towny but gets suspected because his opinions are different from everyone else's. He's got the suspicion right now, got the different opinions, but I don't get a town-tone feel from him. Even if all other indicators point to it.

Eloh hasn't been mislynched before for being inconsistent with reads and directions or throwing out wishy-washy attempts at scumreading a few players? (player salad)
I don't have any examples offhand, but that seems like the kind of thing she gets mislynched for. It's the kind of thing I've seen her do as town. But hey, I wasn't here, and hindsight is a heckofa bias.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 9:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:50 pm Eloh lynch was, in fact, garbage, and she was lynched for the same reasons she usually gets mislynched.
i went back and counted how many times you mentioned eloh's name prior to her being lynched.

it was pretty easy.

zero

RL stuff got me sidetracked. Take my word for it, I'm not bringing details into the game. You'll find my lack of Eloh-talk consistent with my lack of ANY talk in the last half of the day.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:06 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 11:28 pm JJJ (from what I read) really pushed things over the edge to lynch Eloh. Rather than you. Could be a save if you're mafia, though I doubt JJJ would be that brazen.
If you're town, though, that would mean scum JJJ pushed the lynch over to Eloh for literally no reason?

I weigh in on T/T trains when I’m scum just so people will say stuff like this.

There’s your reason. Having reads doesn’t make someone probably town.

So WIFOM

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 12:38 pm Hot take: Jay is bad and I'm ready to fight about it

Let's go m8. You first.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 2:20 pm I feel like I was the most vocal opponent to the very brief Quin counterwgon, for what it’s worth. Make of that what you will, but for me that reduces the anxiety that he was saved. I just wasn’t convinced by the words people said against him. I tried to read Quin as bad in the moment and wasn’t able to do it.

As I’ve already expressed today, though, he’s someone I plan to look at moving forward.

Sloonei/Quin/JJJ w/w then?

Hard to read jjj when he's like this

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:10 pm This was not well received as comparisons to his Sloonei treated a mafia partner would necessitate Colin also being mafia in this game. Ergo, Colin’s case on Sloonei is fake. Ergo Colin is scum.

Is that what that was about? Psh. You can have a bad case, or a contradictory one, without being scum.

I'm still firmly in the ColinIsTown camp.

Dood no

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 11:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Sep 24, 2018 7:32 pm This is an even worse result than the Day 1 result.
You are so evil and villainous and it offends me that you survived day one.
Please move past this.

This reminds me of when Mac was all like "SPEEDCHUCK IS SCUM" for the entirety of a game. He was right, but I got him to "move past it" by showing him my love and support. This after getting him killed in the first phases and having him rezzed.

Anyway my point is that Mac has good instincts.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 10:20 am So how do you evaluate Mac beyond lynching his suspects and assuming he’s bad if they are town?

Btw, who is bad?

There is another terrible way to read Mac. If Mac is town, he'll get himself nightkilled.

Man I hate that method of reading people.

I didn't play AssClass. Mac is a good player. I don't know what his scumtells are. I don't mind playing the odds and valuing his instincts, that is, until we don't.
On a side note, he thought Eloh was scum.

I'll get back to you on who is bad in a bit. linki: I know, I'll get on it.

[mention]Kylemii[/mention] What is a scum game of yours?

Jack blaming everyone else for all his lazy null reads. /s

These ISOs are crap

[mention]Marmot[/mention] I ask you to give me a single read on a person. Or more if it pleases you.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:16 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:14 am These ISOs are crap
Would you recommend doing ISOs? I'm asking for a friend.

Not while pregnant or nursing, and not if you have a serious heart condition.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:17 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:17 am
Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:15 am Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though
Probably trying to avoid the obvious conclusion that he was recruited.
Why is it obvious Jay would be recruited? The sign-up thread mentions that the baddies recruit roles, not players.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?
Somewhere between 1 and 24.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:50 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 21, 2018 6:17 pm It was a nice quiet Day 0. Nothing happened.
Jay said this, which can mean one of two things:
Something happened to him on Day 0
OR
Nothing happened to him on Day 0.
OR
Something happened to someone else on Day 0.

I wish something had happened to me on Day 0...

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?
Good way of look at whether people read the rules or not.

This isn't a closed setup, dude. It's an open setup with most details hidden.
I was beginning to think I was the only person who had done this!

The above are some quotes and replies from a single Bullzeye post. I cut some irrelevant stuff out.

"I read the rules!"
"I dunno how many bad bots there are."

(Maybe being cheeky, idk)
"Gee, pity I'm not mafia..."
"Guys I totally read the rules!"

I'm getting two pings from this post. Forced ignorance and a... I don't even know what to call that middle thing. Tonally fake role regret?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:28 am speedchuck, I notice you took it for granted that Sloonei didn't read the rules while accusing Bullzeye of feigning ignorance. Why?

I don't think I did that. It doesn't really matter why Sloonei asked the question here, does it?

Explain, and I'll try to clarify.

Are you talking roles or players? Because we still have at least one woman playing.

Lots of people just dipped into the thread a few minutes ago and then left without saying a word.

I will lynch all of them.

Specifically Sloonei and Sprityo. I will have your heads on a pike. (I actually don't remember who all was here, but I think at least one of you were.)

I townread Infected Alien, LC, Mac, Nutella, and then maybe Quin and JoH.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:43 am Which ping from Bullzeye are you calling forced ignorance?

The 1-24 player bit.

If it's cheekiness, that part is null-ish. But for someone saying "I read the rules" you'd thik he'd just say 4, like a reasonable person who read the roles.

I'll get you in a minute, Jack

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:44 am Why do you townread Alien?

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:15 am Very initial first impression of the thread: Jay feels off, don't know why though

Jay was using a different playstyle. I read this as genuine. Alien is new to the site, new to Jay, but noticed the meta difference.

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:45 am He has a town read on me?

Also is talking about what we were told in our role PMs allowed? Using that as an argument?

Ignorance of the best kind. Site-specific rules, and something the mafia wouldn't want to talk about.

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:53 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:51 am
Quin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:49 am JaggedJimmyJay

What's up with your alien town read?
He’s played one game with me. I was a stencil-drawn factory-built version of JJJ with all of the fixings. To start this game I am nothing of the sort. He is still new enough to my play to genuinely wonder if this is my meta:

Civilian: go ham

Mafia: dick around
Why do you think me pointing out you're off makes me town though?

Doesn't just accept a townread from JJJ as pacification. Pushes for answers.

Spoiler: show

Infected_alien8_ wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 3:15 am Reads: Jack is town, sloon is mafia, mac is slightly suspicious but not as much as sloon, same with eloh

Sloon stuff all in one place, sorry if it's not in order (probably isn't):

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:34 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:16 am I think the reason people suspect Quin is because his "what are tha rules " posts were the most fake-sounding
How has your read on Quin progressed since then? Who else are you looking at besides sprit? Thoughts on the Sloonei bandwagon?
Again feels like he's trying too hard. I don't believe this comes from a genuine place, asking how the read has progressed since then - he's only just said the read, why is he expecting it to have progressed at all? Just not buying it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:10 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:00 pm I never suspected you, Long Con. I just wanted to make conversation happen.
Why didn't you ever suspect Long Con?
Because I just saw him as a player working on his understanding of the game and/or trying to get others involved.

I encouraged discussion of luna’s points about him because I wanted there to be a new avenue for the conversation to flow in. The posts she highlighted did reflect a pattern, so I didn’t want to deny the discussion of them. I don’t find the pattern suspicious at this time.
If you just wanted discussion out of it, why did you vote him?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:08 pm i just don’t know about you sloobei
What would you like to know?
are you trying to do good sloonei things or to look like a good sloonei thing
both
Feels unnatural somehow? It seems silly since it's just a post saying 'both' but this post really pings me lol

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:01 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:19 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:51 pm [VOTE: Quin] aubergine
why?
He's giving me funny feelings
Can you describe these funny feelings? Or tell me which posts they come from?
Feels like he's trying too hard? I just don't buy that he genuinely wants to know the description of the funny feelings or which posts they come from - I think he'd just accept it as a townie and put it down to a gut feeling or something so the fact he's trying to dig into it feels like he's just trying to look as townie as possible by questioning everything he can

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:42 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:10 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:01 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:00 pm I never suspected you, Long Con. I just wanted to make conversation happen.
Why didn't you ever suspect Long Con?
Because I just saw him as a player working on his understanding of the game and/or trying to get others involved.

I encouraged discussion of luna’s points about him because I wanted there to be a new avenue for the conversation to flow in. The posts she highlighted did reflect a pattern, so I didn’t want to deny the discussion of them. I don’t find the pattern suspicious at this time.
jesus christ can this get any worse

"I wanted to steer the discussion in a new direction, namely into a possible bandwagon on a player I actually don't suspect at all!"
Literally get accused of this on Day 1 of every game that I play. I want to steer the discussion in directions that I think might prove fruitful. It doesn't matter who I suspect or don't suspect off the bat, what matters is that discussion takes place so that there is something substantial to work off of in the present and future. The discussion is not intended to reflect solely on the player being discussed (Long Con in this case), but also all of the people who will participate in it afterwards (lunalee, nutella, potentially everybody else in the game). This is yuck.
If you get accused of this in every game, why did you suspect the person who found you suspicious for it? Surely you're used to it and don't see it as scummy?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:50 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:44 pm Reading the thread back, I don’t like any of you motherfuckers.
Aggressive (re)-entry. This promises to be good. Right?
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:51 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:23 am Hi everyone, we’re here to have a fun time and be friendly to eachother, right?! Let’s do our best to have a beautiful day
Absolute fucking scum here
Okay. Why?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 5:54 pm I’m kidding you guys, you’re all swell. But some of you are bad.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:19 pm Long Con's posts strike me weird. He apparently didn't read the rules or his role pm, and instead askes all game-mechanic questions in thread. Concerning the mafia recruitment aspect, he asks: It's still up for grabs?
Then posts a bunch of questions on how to approach this game: What are we dealing with here? How do we even mafia in this game?
Then asks, "have recruitment decisions been made?"
But then suddenly understands everything well enough to place a vote on speedchuck based on his game mechanic questions.

I don't view Long Con as being an ignorant player, which is why all his questions confuse me. Is he bad and trying to look like an ignorant townie? Or is he really that bad at reading the rules? I would be okay with voting Long Con today.
Luna’s not bad though.
Walks back the prior aggression and assigns a "not bad" read to Luna. Why?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:03 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:07 pm it’s kind of fascinating to play like a goober because i have read nearly everything and still have no clue what’s going on. the only difference is my general apathy and it affects all of my reasoning and intuitive skills.

cool
Jay is apathetic because Jay is scum and he doesn’t have to put any effort into solving or reading anything, even — he just has to live or confuse the hell out of people if he can’t. I’ll take one (1) winner’s banner please
This is not a thing I could see JaggedJimmyJay doing as scum. I don't agree with this post, but I don't know if I dislike it either. I could see reason for scum Colin to want to provoke town Jay, but it doesn't have to be the case.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:11 pm Good: Luna, Mac, Jack, Nutella, Speedchuck

Bad: Quin, Sloonei, Long Con, JJJ
Why? x8

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:14 pm I can elaborate on any of those reads upon request but my laptop is vomiting all over itself so it’s a little hard to be thorough on mobile
I see. I'll wait for all the elaboration.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 7:47 pm [VOTE: SLOONEY] aubergine

I'll try to keep tabs on this tomorrow

In conclusion: nothing here that is explicitly bad, but there's also an absence of things that I'd say are definitively good. Imma keep an eye on Colin for now.
This whole thing felt like busy work - why did you post this if there was no conclusion from it, and no substantial takes that could generate discussion?

Also the "Walks back the prior aggression and assigns a "not bad" read to Luna. Why?" pings me because it's like he felt the need to include the "Walks back the prior aggression" part to make this line seem more noteworthy/thought out when it doesn't really mean anything to me

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:13 am I could see this is a scum dipping their toe in the waters. There's a half-serious implication that Jay's behavior is out of character, which carries with it the potential suggestion that Jay is anti-town, but nutella is not directly taking a stance. Instead she's just floating the possibility that something is amiss here without actually addressing it specifically.
Or, you know, she's just observing that Jay said a weird thing.
Again feels like busywork, no conclusion, just two different interpretations so I don't really understand the purpose if he's town

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:13 am I kinda like this post even though it's not entirely clear what she's saying at any point. She seems to purposefully conceal her reason for suspecting Quin earlier, and gives a vague, but not empty, explanation for her speedchuck vote. I don't take her vagueness here to be the sort of hesitant waffling that I'd associate with scum players. Rather, I see it as a player who's drawing from a real train of thought and not bothering to fill in all the blanks for the thread. There's nothing wrong with that and her words look sincere here. Townie point.
I don't understand why you think it comes from a real train of thought as opposed to hesitant waffling (personally I don't have an opinion on it) so this read feels fake as well

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:30 am [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine again. Because his posts don't offer anything strong to hold onto and if anyone's an opportunistic bad guy of those 5(!?) voters on me right now, it's him.

Holy shit 5 of you decided to vote for me? Get those off. Shameless emotional appeal incoming: I've been screaming for this game to start for a month. Don't lynch me on Day 1. Not to mention that I'm town.
This worked on me

--

Jack stuff

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 11:18 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:30 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:47 am How many bad robots do we think there are?
Good way of look at whether people read the rules or not.

This isn't a closed setup, dude. It's an open setup with most details hidden.
So how many bad robots are there?
Hottake: Only one scummed is pretending to not know how this game works and it’s probably this guy.
I like this post, town read it, don't know why but I just do

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 2:17 pm Hottakes: Nutella (in spite of SC vote) and Mac are town.
I think Jack is town, I guess I'm a sucker for his hot takes

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Eloh stuff:

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:54 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 22, 2018 12:52 am So, what are we dealing with here? Closed setup, and we don't even know which roles are on the bad team.

So, what is the method of catching someone on Day 1? Ask questions and hope someone slips up?
Create a whirlwind of a thread by facilitating maximal activity. Ask questions, make comments, and hurl accusations at every opportunity. The thread needs to be a pressured and even stressful environment.

I ain’t got no time fo’ dat today so y’all get busy.
So in other words, "y'all get started and get the dirty work done and I will come back in here before the vote and make my assessment on which bandwagon I should jump on." Sounds bad to me. My first accusation is on YOU. Not only just this post. But, this post was given at12:54am. You then go on posting frequently until 3:08am. That is over 2 hours. And you have no time to ask questions, make comments, hurl accusations? There was no opportunity for that? Then you must have slept or something because you came back in the early pm posting exactly 9 hours later. At 1:48pm you talk about what you will do once you feel like actually playing the game. Again, you post frequently for 1 hour (1:48pm-2:42pm) not really saying anything. I do NOT like Jay in Mega-Man, I do not like him, Sam-I-Am.

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@Jack - I always post early on and often. I just don't often say much game related crap because I am too busy trying to keep up with the reading in the little bit of time I have to devote to mafia.

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I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have noticed this unless you were specifically eyeing jay, and I don't understand why you'd do that so I'm suspicious of this - feels like a targeted attack, agendary

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Mac stuff:

Don't have the quotes but his attention seems to be on nitpicking what, to me just seem like grammatical errors, and poking at them from the 'scumslip' angle. It feels slightly like an easy way to sink his teeth into the thread as mafia - a bit too easy/simple, and I haven't seen anything to make me think he's making any in depth reads yet, and from memory he did that pretty early on last game

But my memory sucks so

Effort. Genuine reasons for read. Reads good tone-wise.

And such. The rest of his ISO looks pretty good. He voted for Mac, and Mac could easily look scummy to someone not used to his playstyle.

He's also playing by the seat of his pants, rather than being organized. That's the kind of thing that can get you caught as scum, and based on the recent scum game he's played, I don't think he's capable of faking it that well. (No offense to Alien.)

DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm I know if I try to catch up from the beginning I'm never going to catch up, so I'm just coming in now and will go from here. Does anyone know why Day 2 might have been skipped?

No idea here.

I recommend looking at the end of day 1, or checking some of the short ISOs. It's not too much.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:22 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:43 am Which ping from Bullzeye are you calling forced ignorance?
The 1-24 player bit.

If it's cheekiness, that part is null-ish. But for someone saying "I read the rules" you'd thik he'd just say 4, like a reasonable person who read the roles.

I'll get you in a minute, Jack
I'm a very sarcastic person.

Oh, suuuuure you are.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:05 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:43 am Specifically Sloonei and Sprityo. I will have your heads on a pike. (I actually don't remember who all was here, but I think at least one of you were.)

I townread Infected Alien, LC, Mac, Nutella, and then maybe Quin and JoH.
I'm a busy boy and will make no apologies while I have the most posts in this thread.

Why do you townread Mac?

Three reasons.

1. Mindmeld
2. No pings
3. It's easier to read people in a Mac-town world for now. I can rely on his intuition and see what I find.

Happy to rethink that read when I have reason to.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm I know if I try to catch up from the beginning I'm never going to catch up, so I'm just coming in now and will go from here. Does anyone know why Day 2 might have been skipped?
My first guess would be that one of the roles of a dead player (Eloh, Jay, Colin) had a condition which would skip the following day phase upon their death, but I have no direct evidence of that. This is just the most common condition I've seen for skipped phases in my mafia experience.

Skipping a day phase is a mafia/anti-town power, yes?

So... either Mega-Man dying caused a bad guy's condition to trigger (way to rub salt in that wound), or Jay/Colin were townies that died and caused the bad guy to trigger (still sucks), OR one of Colin and Jay were somehow bad and their role let them hit us hard when they were vigged. I had a scum role once that would roleblock every townie in the game the night after I was killed. Something like that.

OOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Maybe some arrogant townie said COLIN IS DEFINITELY SCUM and had a one-shot power to trade a day phase for a free kill, sort of like a lynch controller but without the facadarce of votes and wasted day-phase time.

I've been ruminating.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:57 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 2:18 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:59 pm
DFaraday wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 1:16 pm I know if I try to catch up from the beginning I'm never going to catch up, so I'm just coming in now and will go from here. Does anyone know why Day 2 might have been skipped?
My first guess would be that one of the roles of a dead player (Eloh, Jay, Colin) had a condition which would skip the following day phase upon their death, but I have no direct evidence of that. This is just the most common condition I've seen for skipped phases in my mafia experience.
Skipping a day phase is a mafia/anti-town power, yes?

So... either Mega-Man dying caused a bad guy's condition to trigger (way to rub salt in that wound), or Jay/Colin were townies that died and caused the bad guy to trigger (still sucks), OR one of Colin and Jay were somehow bad and their role let them hit us hard when they were vigged. I had a scum role once that would roleblock every townie in the game the night after I was killed. Something like that.

OOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Maybe some arrogant townie said COLIN IS DEFINITELY SCUM and had a one-shot power to trade a day phase for a free kill, sort of like a lynch controller but without the facadarce of votes and wasted day-phase time.

I've been ruminating.
I've seen it (primarily on RYM, though) as a town role which, when killed, triggers the next day to be skipped. It's a negative ability meant to emphasize the importance of that player being kept alive.

But Epi never played on RYM and I'm not as familiar with the traditional application of this mechanism in his experience. I wouldn't doubt that it could be an anti-town ability, although this is complicated by the nature of this game in particular: none of our roles are designated GOOD or BAD. The Robot Masters all were given roles without alignments. Alignments came later.
But, of course, we don't know for sure that any of our dead players were robot masters.

Or robots at all.

K-Ness wrote: ↑Tue Sep 25, 2018 3:26 pm Day 1, Quin and Sloonei were probably the leading players pinging me hard. Jack, while giving me a town lean, has also been pinging me.

I find it really hard to believe that so many people wouldn't bother to read the rules.

Also, can I get an understanding as to why Elohcin was a viable lynch candidate?

What has pinged you about Jack?

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