The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:33 am Also I checked the poll results and now I can't vote.

I think that just happens with non changeable votes? IDK.

Also hi.

Honorable Tribunal for lyfe

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:56 am Ok so if I remember how to do all this correctly we all post memes and then spend the last 5 minutes frantically switching our poll votes as many times as possible

Is that correct?

You're thinking of days 1-LYLO

Day zero isn't like that.

linki: Ooh that's good to know

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:39 pm Aubergine: looks like a civ since vote power is OP for baddies, but restricted enough that could be bad
Blind seer: probably civ
Chevuschade Voidwing: bulletproof makes more sense to be bad
D’Abrutsi: obvious 3P
Daisy: probably civ
Dark Worshipper: looks like our hostile indie role
Darth Malignus: name aside, silencing is such a baddie ability. If you are civ think twice before using it at all
Dream Splicer: could be either way
Frost Knight: the "does not block kills" suggests an attempt to balance a civ, but could be bad too
Gentle Shepherd: probably civ
Glint Viper: sounds like a civ, baddies wouldn't want to sacrifice themselves to bring someone back. Unless it can change alignments maybe?
Grimlock Wolverson: could be either
Hollow Man: obvious baddie
Kraken: could be either
Lycantha: tracker type role feels like a civ
Portalman: could be either
Psionic Ninja: very civ-looking, also looks very powerful. I suspect the <secrets> might be something negative, or a indie wincon.
Quantum Key: support-like role, feels civ
Quintessential Cat: 3P
Random Animal: 3P... I think? Or alternates between civ and 3P.
Sakana Sashimi: looks like a good assassin role for baddies, but might be civ
Savage Pixie: most of the text suggests a baddie, but the watcher thing suggests civ
Spirit of the Living Statue: 3P, or someone who can be recruited into any faction
Spirit Wrangler: most spirits sound like civ abilities
Thaddeus Mechaspark: protection sounds like civ, the rest of abilities look neutral
Toxic Frog: vicious sounding role, probably bad
Trickster: very bad sounding
Waresman: sounds like a 3P
Yin/Yang: probably civ

1/3 of the roles in the game have secrets. Did you take these into account?

Also are we likely to have this many 3P, do you think?

Maybe I should have asked people before voting TBH

Will You Become More?
5
36%
Voters: DrWilgy, DharmaHelper, ColinIsCool, Kylemii, Jackofhearts2005

5 people want to gain weight.

I have company today so I won't be around much.

Is there any role playing element to this game? Can I search my location for immunity idols? :P

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 11:40 pm Hey guys, I'm sorry, but I'm absolutely not up for it this weekend. I've been half-keeping up and I don't think I'm that lost or anything (thought a few pages behind) but I really can't participate right now. I know it's kind of a cop out or whatever but suck it up you'll get plenty of me later.

You are not alone.

I think I can get 20 minutes in tomorrow afternoon. IDK if there's anything for me to weigh in on? @ me pls in advance

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:09 pm
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:07 pm idk how I feel about Sloondog suspecting Luna for essentially having the same suspicion as him but with less waffling. I think a baddie would at least be cognizant of how hypocritical that looks.
Hypocrisy is a staple of thr civilian playbook

But self-aware-ness is a staple of the mafia playbook.

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:02 pm So I guess if when sig said bloodthirsty, he meant aggressive, I can sort of see what he is seeing in SVS' posts, she did escalate to a vote against lunalee pretty quickly. Thing is, I remember SVS being like that, taking a stand and landing it firmly, so I'm not seeing a baddie inclination here. Also, SVS has asked several times for people to clarify whether this sounds like civ luna, and no one has responded, which echoes for me back to my last game where I had a lot of new faces to figure out and kept asking for advice on metas.

So I'm not suspecting SVS, but I at least see what sig had noticed.

Hmmmm yeah, I somehow remember this too. SVS being aggro is NAI. Or at least not mafia indicative.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:06 pm Btw Voted Sloonei/u]

On the one hand, Sloonei feels pretty scum to me. On the other hand, Mega Man Mafia. *cringe*

CLOSE YOUR TAGS HEATHER

HEATHEN

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:42 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:41 pm I don't understand how I can be anybody's "strongest town read."

It's okay. Scum never townread the people that suspect them.

Okay, I'm actually going to be able to play today.

[VOTE: Minor Injuries Are Hilarious] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:18 am Anyway I had a bad taste in my mouth for most of that lynch and I don't think we actually had good options on the table. Tranq or Speed would have been my preferences.

O dang where's the poll.

Who voted for Wolbre? Was Juliets one of them?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:47 am RIP Brennan, I was hoping to play with you longer. I read through EOD and understand what happened and I'm really sorry.

Here it is.

Wrong quote, that first one was.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:24 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:53 am Summary of my suspects: timmer, Sloonei, Tranq, INH, Luna.
PLAYA SALAD!

(joking, sort of.)

Is it joking or is it not?

[mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] I'm not caught up, but I'm curious as to if whether you have elaborated on all of those people at one time or another or not.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:17 am Tbh I would say that the above posts look like preemptive TMI/ass-covering, but TMI isn't as much a thing in a two-scum-team game so idk and also sloonei's town but idk about luna.
Too much flip-flopping. I think nutella is bad.

Spoiler: show

You got me with this one.

Dana wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:39 pm Wow, I love this concept, I didn't realize it was a strategy. Lying stresses me out so much. How does it work out when that guy is bad and outs himself? Are his teammates just like "ok bye rip"? Do hosts try to give him good roles on purpose? Does he ever lie anyway and then everyone believes him? I guess that would defeat the purpose of his whole thing, but it's possible for him to do. This is a great thing to learn exists.

Spoiler: show

Truth meta off topic stuff

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:52 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:12 am Also again, asking people who were here eod to give their takes on what happened in here. That could help us who weren't understand it better.
The way I see, Wolbre made a direct challenge against a force no one controls and few really comprehend: people's will to make stupid wagons on Day 1. You don't challenge Day 1 like that. You must respect it, bow to it, do what it wants. It's an unforgiving mistress. If will spot a player making fun of its wrath and bury them under 10 bandwagon votes.

I don't blame anyone for voting Wolbre tbh. He literally begged for it. Though I'd still find it useful to figure out any people who did it while stating terrible reasons for it.

I skimmed that EOD and it was some of the most hilarious play I've ever seen. Terrible decisions were made, but it was hilarious. [mention]wolbre04[/mention] you are my hero this game. Please play more with us.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:56 pm What's your read on Sloonei? What's your read on anyone not named Sloonei?

Decent guy. His play reminds me of his Mega Man mafia play, which I dearly wanted to lynch him over at the time. Some isolated things about the way he defends himself seem scummy, but just based on what I've read I'm pretty sure he's town. He does have an odd way of talking in third person, though.

I also agreed with his case on Juliets. I was already looking at her because of a post after the D1 lynch where she apologized like, really hard. Looked like scum guilt. I don't know whether she voted on his lynch or not, though. Light-to-mid scumread there.

Epi is town.

Nutella is town.

DDL... I'm leaning town.

Leaning town on Luna as well. I think I'm starting to get a handle on her playstyle. It's mostly a gut feel based on how snarky and up-front she's been about her play, in the few posts I've seen. Very transparent in playstyle, in her defense of Wolbre and everyone's reaction to that.

So there's a few. I want to read over some Colin stuff next, I think. If you have any suggestions for me to skim ISOs of today (tonight?) then I'm game.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:14 pm Mac still looks civ. Quin also looks very civ, I think I have the same Quindar that Speed does (inb4 Speed thinks he's bad).

I have read almost nothing by quin, but haven't been pinged by his EOD stuff.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:55 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:55 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:52 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:12 am Also again, asking people who were here eod to give their takes on what happened in here. That could help us who weren't understand it better.
The way I see, Wolbre made a direct challenge against a force no one controls and few really comprehend: people's will to make stupid wagons on Day 1. You don't challenge Day 1 like that. You must respect it, bow to it, do what it wants. It's an unforgiving mistress. If will spot a player making fun of its wrath and bury them under 10 bandwagon votes.

I don't blame anyone for voting Wolbre tbh. He literally begged for it. Though I'd still find it useful to figure out any people who did it while stating terrible reasons for it.
I skimmed that EOD and it was some of the most hilarious play I've ever seen. Terrible decisions were made, but it was hilarious. @wolbre04 you are my hero this game. Please play more with us.
Lol u mafia

It wouldn't be a mafia game without you falsely accusing me early on.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:35 pm And when he has kind of taken stances (on you for instance) it's been worded in an indirect/backhanded way.

I'm curious as to what stances (other than Sloonei) you've seen that are indirect or backhanded. Cite your sources.
I'm also wondering why any of this would point to me being scum.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:49 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:48 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:35 pm And when he has kind of taken stances (on you for instance) it's been worded in an indirect/backhanded way.
I'm curious as to what stances (other than Sloonei) you've seen that are indirect or backhanded. Cite your sources.
I'm also wondering why any of this would point to me being scum.
So you admit that the comments regarding sloonei were. ok. Idk if I have other examples since you haven't said anything else besides thinking wolbre was amusing.

Wasn't he though?

I went over JoH's ISO on a whim. It was very bland and did not suit my palate. -1 points.

linki: Did you have anything to say about them, [mention]nutella[/mention]?
Wolbre was lynched for really silly reasons. That's on him as much as on the people that were after him. The counter wagons were... wilgy and Sloonei I think? One is a mislynch waiting to happen (or a lucky mafia lynch, IDK with lurker wilgy) and the other is Sloonei. Which no. Bad lynch.

Pulling something out of that rapid-fire linki-filled mess in which the guy who got lynched was daring the thread to lynch him doesn't seem like the best use of my time.

Tranq is okay in my book right now. There's a lack of solid content there, but it's very blunt. "Yeah I'm not looking at that right now." He's very comfy in his boots.

Colin's ISO gives me so many mixed feelings it's like I'm starring in a Hallmark movie. I don't like that his list of suspects doesn't have explanations. I looked back for those explanations to check on them. Two of them were simply quoted with a "LMAO" added. Another one or two were "I agree" on someone else's post.

I don't really have a sight line into Colin's think hole, but that's the very problem. I can't tell what the dude is thinking. -1 points

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:02 pm Tranq is okay in my book right now. There's a lack of solid content there, but it's very blunt. "Yeah I'm not looking at that right now." He's very comfy in his boots.
Hmm yeah I guess you're right as long as he's comfortable blending into the background and avoiding any suspicion and not helping the civ cause at all, Tranq's good to go.

Authenticity is everything.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:13 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:10 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:02 pm Tranq is okay in my book right now. There's a lack of solid content there, but it's very blunt. "Yeah I'm not looking at that right now." He's very comfy in his boots.
Hmm yeah I guess you're right as long as he's comfortable blending into the background and avoiding any suspicion and not helping the civ cause at all, Tranq's good to go.
Authenticity is everything.
Yeah Tranq seemed really authentic when he was like "wow golly gosh is everyone voting randomly for these meaningless poll options shucky darns"

... Wild?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 3:59 pm I went over JoH's ISO on a whim. It was very bland and did not suit my palate. -1 points.

linki: Did you have anything to say about them, nutella?
Wolbre was lynched for really silly reasons. That's on him as much as on the people that were after him. The counter wagons were... wilgy and Sloonei I think? One is a mislynch waiting to happen (or a lucky mafia lynch, IDK with lurker wilgy) and the other is Sloonei. Which no. Bad lynch.

Pulling something out of that rapid-fire linki-filled mess in which the guy who got lynched was daring the thread to lynch him doesn't seem like the best use of my time.
I sure did, I made a multi quote post or two after the lynch. And wait, I thought you suspected sloonei??

I saw some things that skeeved me out but they were the same things that me and Sprit hammered on for three days in Mega Man. I don't want to do that again.

Sometimes I learn from my failures.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:27 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 4:12 pm Colin's ISO gives me so many mixed feelings it's like I'm starring in a Hallmark movie. I don't like that his list of suspects doesn't have explanations. I looked back for those explanations to check on them. Two of them were simply quoted with a "LMAO" added. Another one or two were "I agree" on someone else's post.

I don't really have a sight line into Colin's think hole, but that's the very problem. I can't tell what the dude is thinking. -1 points
Lmao = “You’re deflecting to the thread to cast your vote for you? And people are giving me shit?”

Somehow, it happened twice.

Somehow the nuance of context disappears when I ISO

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 5:48 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 2:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 1:56 pm What's your read on Sloonei? What's your read on anyone not named Sloonei?
Decent guy. His play reminds me of his Mega Man mafia play, which I dearly wanted to lynch him over at the time. Some isolated things about the way he defends himself seem scummy, but just based on what I've read I'm pretty sure he's town. He does have an odd way of talking in third person, though.

I also agreed with his case on Juliets. I was already looking at her because of a post after the D1 lynch where she apologized like, really hard. Looked like scum guilt. I don't know whether she voted on his lynch or not, though. Light-to-mid scumread there.

Epi is town.

Nutella is town.

DDL... I'm leaning town.

Leaning town on Luna as well. I think I'm starting to get a handle on her playstyle. It's mostly a gut feel based on how snarky and up-front she's been about her play, in the few posts I've seen. Very transparent in playstyle, in her defense of Wolbre and everyone's reaction to that.

So there's a few. I want to read over some Colin stuff next, I think. If you have any suggestions for me to skim ISOs of today (tonight?) then I'm game.
Can I please have some of that salad.

It's a quiche, fool.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:04 pm @speedchuck seems to be having a real problem actually being active in the game, due to real life or whatever. I'm not sure how much that affects his actual activity. He hasn't done anything to make me feel like he's a civ, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to call him bad yet either.

Try not to take it into account.

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I should still be able to be around this afternoon.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:47 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:45 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 3:04 pm @speedchuck seems to be having a real problem actually being active in the game, due to real life or whatever. I'm not sure how much that affects his actual activity. He hasn't done anything to make me feel like he's a civ, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to call him bad yet either.
Try not to take it into account.

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In the five or so days this game has been running, I had company constantly for 36 hours, then got a fever/bug right afterward that's been plaguing me off and on. I'm sitting home now, seeing if the food I just ate will give me what I need to get a half day in at work.
I should still be able to be around this afternoon.
Get better soon, man.

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:54 pm While I do my reread I will note here that speedchuck seems to have caught up but has made zero mention of my case and attempts to get people to vote for her. This doesn't help my opinion of what is still most an iso of discussing game mechanics and no sense of trying to find baddies.

I'm not caught up. As of right now, there are like 18 pages earlier in this game I have not and probably will never read. @ me when you want me to address things.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:05 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 1:54 pm While I do my reread I will note here that speedchuck seems to have caught up but has made zero mention of my case and attempts to get people to vote for her. This doesn't help my opinion of what is still most an iso of discussing game mechanics and no sense of trying to find baddies.
I'm not caught up. As of right now, there are like 18 pages earlier in this game I have not and probably will never read. @ me when you want me to address things.

Also I am very male.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 2:29 pm I never trust flavor posts out of habit (speedchuck and I probably share this) this is a role that can make anyone else they kill reveal as something else. It’s not like I can ask long con “did the trickster for real for real die?”

I'm always auto-defaulting to "ignore all flavor impact" mode. GoC this year was a rude awakening.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:00 pm Also slightly ot, but I hate this player salad nonsense.i don't see a problem with giving lots of reads at once if it makes sense or is asked.

Player salad is a great tell that very few people know how to define.

Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:21 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:23 pm I'd rather lynch sprityo, he's low-key lurkin

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am CfD G-Mang
I'm putting sprityo and G-Man down as not likely Corrupt Remnant for now.

Since when do the night posts reveal alignments?

Something I saw while skimming.

I'd clear neither of these. G-man worse than Sprit. TH left a vote on G-Man and did nothing with it as far as I know. Seems like easy distancing cred, and you're giving it to him.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:21 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:23 pm I'd rather lynch sprityo, he's low-key lurkin

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am CfD G-Mang
I'm putting sprityo and G-Man down as not likely Corrupt Remnant for now.

Since when do the night posts reveal alignments?
Something I saw while skimming.

I'd clear neither of these. G-man worse than Sprit. TH left a vote on G-Man and did nothing with it as far as I know. Seems like easy distancing cred, and you're giving it to him.
speed are you saying the comment about sprityo is also distancing cred?

No, I don't think so. TH is the one possibly distancing. Tranq would be the one allowing it or falling for it or enabling it or whatever. NAI for Tranq IMO.

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:47 am RIP Brennan, I was hoping to play with you longer. I read through EOD and understand what happened and I'm really sorry.

This sentence bugs me. It's overly apologetic and... like, IDK why it's there. "I understand what happened."

He got lynched is what happened. Of course you read through EOD, that's how you know what happened.

Can you elaborate on why this sentence is here?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 9:47 am RIP Brennan, I was hoping to play with you longer. I read through EOD and understand what happened and I'm really sorry.
This sentence bugs me. It's overly apologetic and... like, IDK why it's there. "I understand what happened." He got lynched is what happened. Of course you read through EOD, that's how you know what happened.

Can you elaborate on why this sentence is here?
It means I understand it all happened at the last minute and was a surprise and I was sorry that happened to him. I talked him into playing so I felt bad.

Okay, that's the context I needed. I didn't see a reason for you to feel guilty, and that's what it looked like.

Catching up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 10:19 pm If you named those five cats and said "who of these are most likely to kill nutella" I would say Lunalee.

I think Sloon's info is helpful, but I think this isn't a very good way to use it. These are team kills, not individual kills. I'd rather look at the Sloonei Five and lynch based on merit instead of NK analysis, especially in a setup like this.

I got linki'd and apparently this has already been said. I'll shut up until I finish the thread.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:00 am I don't know anything about baddie SVS but I know civ SVS has the biggest tinfoil hat of the entire internet.

She is capable of arguing back and forth with someone for 20 pages because she wants to lynch the same person they do, but for a much more complicated reason that involves a long string of ability combos, and she won't accept the simple reason.

She is the deity people pray to when they need inspiration to tinfoil.

Still waiting to see that tinfoiling in this game.

I haven't been mod-confirmed as town yet.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:00 am I am actively trying not to tinfoil becasue I feel people were laughing at me last time and making fun of me. It is actually why I went back on break. Sorry if this disappoints you, but I am going to do my best to avoid a repeat of being called the diety of something stupid on the whole internet full of stupidity.

TBH that whole event was mostly my fault. It just so happened that I stayed alive loong enough after for things to start getting farcical.

I get snarky when people suspect me. Soz.

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