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Oy vey nova is scum

Nova and ddl are scum easy win

Thanks for playing guys

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:57 pm Iffy about DDL's entrance. Calculated ice breaker using the theme and highjacking the write-up. Something's fishy about it.

Linki - high five!

Agreed.

I didn't like how quick nova was to fill the thread. Felt like he was preempting discussion with 'good feels'. But I like him since the rest of the party arrived.

I didn't like how quick nova was to fill the thread. Felt like he was preempting discussion with 'good feels'. But I like him since the rest of the party arrived.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:27 pm I didn't like how quick nova was to fill the thread. Felt like he was preempting discussion with 'good feels'. But I like him since the rest of the party arrived.
Crafted this post carefully using 2 tabs which resulted in the double post?

That was a phone post.

I don't even know how to select-open tab replies on my new phone.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:35 pm What is the right angle?
It’s rvs and Mac’s a big boy that doesn’t need your help.

You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?

Considering voting Jack here for the "Actually" tell.

But DDL ends up looking just as bad in this exchange.

What I'm saying is Leetic is town.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:59 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:27 am Considering voting Jack here for the "Actually" tell.

Did you have something to say about that?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:59 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:27 am Considering voting Jack here for the "Actually" tell.

Did you have something to say about that?
Tell me about this tell. It seems pretty random. Like the "interesting" tell that got pinned on myself onetime when I was town.

Disclaimer: I have never heard of the "Actually" tell. I made it up. That said, let's take a look.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?

What is the purpose of this word in the sentence? Without 'actually' in there, the sentence reads:
"You or Juliets think I scumread Mac from one post?" which is a question.

Putting in "actually" turns this question into an attack on their alignment or reasoning, one of the two. It insinuates that either DDL/Juliets don't believe what they are saying (therefore scum)... or they do, and that it's ridiculous. Painting their inquiry as scummy or ridiculous is an aggressive, defensive measure that pushes them to back off and shuts down the line of inquiry without actually answering their query.

In short, it's an unnecessary word that comes from a possibly-bad and blustery perspective. I see this post and hear a ten-year-old Overwatch player yelling into the microphone "You actually think this is my main account? You're seriously stupid if you think this Silver account is my main account. I'm actually ranked Diamond."

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:59 am hm, fair point. You're not allowed to coin this as a tell though unless jack flips scum.

The "it's not a tell yet" tell.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:55 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:40 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:59 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 10:27 am Considering voting Jack here for the "Actually" tell.

Did you have something to say about that?
Tell me about this tell. It seems pretty random. Like the "interesting" tell that got pinned on myself onetime when I was town.
Disclaimer: I have never heard of the "Actually" tell. I made it up. That said, let's take a look.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:39 pm You (or Juliets) actually think I scumread Mac from one post?
What is the purpose of this word in the sentence? Without 'actually' in there, the sentence reads:
"You or Juliets think I scumread Mac from one post?" which is a question.

Putting in "actually" turns this question into an attack on their alignment or reasoning, one of the two. It insinuates that either DDL/Juliets don't believe what they are saying (therefore scum)... or they do, and that it's ridiculous. Painting their inquiry as scummy or ridiculous is an aggressive, defensive measure that pushes them to back off and shuts down the line of inquiry without actually answering their query.

In short, it's an unnecessary word that comes from a possibly-bad and blustery perspective. I see this post and hear a ten-year-old Overwatch player yelling into the microphone "You actually think this is my main account? You're seriously stupid if you think this Silver account is my main account. I'm actually ranked Diamond."
Lol you caught me.

Spoiler: show
April fools!

Dammit.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:09 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:51 pm That's fair. If you had to comment on each player's entrance, what would your thoughts be?
I can't really make a good read off of one post but I didn't see anything I really didn't like or thought was off, though there were some I didn't understand. I'll go one by one though:

nova - your post "hello" looked fine to me though I would expect someone to bring up the emoji scum tell.
Mac - I don't know what "I'm ready to fudge" means but I figure its probably just some Aussie slang for "ready to go".
leetic - his post made me smile, I'm glad the depression is better. No problems with his entrance.
Jack - pictures of Wednesday with instruments of death. Not sure what this means other than maybe role hinting. Maybe he just means let's get us a baddie. Did not make me suspicious of him.
sable - looked like typical sable to me, so looked fine.
speedchuck - "nova is scum" too early for me to believe this is real but seems in line with the way we play these days and your GTH pre-entrance thing which I kind of got a kick out of.
DDL - talked of drinking the potion and liked the story. Didn't see anything wrong with this post either.
Luna - just got here, read nothing yet. It was typical Luna and I didn't see a problem.

So, not much there in the first posts for me - what about you? What did you think of the first posts.

I would scumread this post if it were unprompted.

Next post:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:19 pm Juliets is looking good... too good. I'm suspicious.

I'm doubly confused by this post.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:47 pm DDL is a wolf.

Spoiler: show

Tell me something new.

DDL - bad
JoH - playing inconsistently inconsistent, reminds me of don't-care-me from that other game I was in. But I was scum that game. Maybe scum.
juli - good
leet - good
Luna - Maybe scum.
Mac - missing
nova - good
sabie - bad
speed - good

POE: Sabie, DDL, JoH, Luna, Mac

If we lynch scum once early on, we'll end up having four lynches. I only need to remove one person from this POE.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:01 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:49 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:09 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 8:51 pm That's fair. If you had to comment on each player's entrance, what would your thoughts be?
I can't really make a good read off of one post but I didn't see anything I really didn't like or thought was off, though there were some I didn't understand. I'll go one by one though:

nova - your post "hello" looked fine to me though I would expect someone to bring up the emoji scum tell.
Mac - I don't know what "I'm ready to fudge" means but I figure its probably just some Aussie slang for "ready to go".
leetic - his post made me smile, I'm glad the depression is better. No problems with his entrance.
Jack - pictures of Wednesday with instruments of death. Not sure what this means other than maybe role hinting. Maybe he just means let's get us a baddie. Did not make me suspicious of him.
sable - looked like typical sable to me, so looked fine.
speedchuck - "nova is scum" too early for me to believe this is real but seems in line with the way we play these days and your GTH pre-entrance thing which I kind of got a kick out of.
DDL - talked of drinking the potion and liked the story. Didn't see anything wrong with this post either.
Luna - just got here, read nothing yet. It was typical Luna and I didn't see a problem.

So, not much there in the first posts for me - what about you? What did you think of the first posts.
I would scumread this post if it were unprompted.

Next post:

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sat Mar 30, 2019 9:19 pm Juliets is looking good... too good. I'm suspicious.
I'm doubly confused by this post.
how is that confusing? When someone puts a nice read list out early without generating much discussion before hand, it looks like they may just be doing it to look good.

She was asked to do that specifically. How does it look good? Or how does it look bad?

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:31 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:59 pm DDL - bad
JoH - playing inconsistently inconsistent, reminds me of don't-care-me from that other game I was in. But I was scum that game. Maybe scum.
juli - good
leet - good
Luna - Maybe scum.
Mac - missing
nova - good
sabie - bad
speed - good

POE: Sabie, DDL, JoH, Luna, Mac

If we lynch scum once early on, we'll end up having four lynches. I only need to remove one person from this POE.
speed I can understand your ratings except for sable and Mac. Are you reading sable bad because she hasn't been around or is there something about one of her two posts that makes you suspect her? Mac seems like the same Mac I saw in Always Sunny in the beginning. I'm not saying that must mean he's good but I haven't seen anything from him that says "bad".

Also, I have a splitting headache for some reason so I'll be back after I take something and lay down for a bit.

Same here on the headache, but I'm pretty sure it's the wisdom tooth.

I read Sabie bad because her only contribution, as I can tell, was an unprompted nothingburger of pseudo-reads.
I didn't read Mac as bad though.

Why did you assume I read Mac bad?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:34 pm Do people "actually" use certain words depending on whether they're bad or not?
So looks like its between ddl and jack currently.
Jack usually is overzealous when hes good and puts out a lot of random thoughts and jokes and things. When he was bad he seemed more chill. Right now I'm not sure. DDL for some reason I don't know how to read him. I just felt this game so far he could be bad.
Maybe they're both bad and trying for the town cred of voting one another so either way one of them can lead the game in the wrong direction. It happened in shock headed peter with jack and in world of flags sloonei killed a teammate for town cred so it's not unheard of.
As of right now though I'm leaning a DDL vote. He puts a lot of stock into the random vote thing when it seems like that's what a lot of people tend to do early game before they make a final decision.

Softest defense of Jack ever.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:42 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:34 pm Do people "actually" use certain words depending on whether they're bad or not?
So looks like its between ddl and jack currently.
Jack usually is overzealous when hes good and puts out a lot of random thoughts and jokes and things. When he was bad he seemed more chill. Right now I'm not sure. DDL for some reason I don't know how to read him. I just felt this game so far he could be bad.
Maybe they're both bad and trying for the town cred of voting one another so either way one of them can lead the game in the wrong direction. It happened in shock headed peter with jack and in world of flags sloonei killed a teammate for town cred so it's not unheard of.
As of right now though I'm leaning a DDL vote. He puts a lot of stock into the random vote thing when it seems like that's what a lot of people tend to do early game before they make a final decision.
Softest defense of Jack ever.
What does that tell you about Sabie if I’m scum? If I’m town?

If you're scum, it nudges the odds of her being scum up the meter by a smidgen or two.
Not appreciably, though. It may just be that she thinks DDL is the slightly scummier option, like she said.

I haven't ruled out a Jack/DDL team yet, anyway. Sabie hasn't said or committed enough to anything to be compatible or incompatible with anyone.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:16 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:58 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:42 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 3:34 pm Do people "actually" use certain words depending on whether they're bad or not?
So looks like its between ddl and jack currently.
Jack usually is overzealous when hes good and puts out a lot of random thoughts and jokes and things. When he was bad he seemed more chill. Right now I'm not sure. DDL for some reason I don't know how to read him. I just felt this game so far he could be bad.
Maybe they're both bad and trying for the town cred of voting one another so either way one of them can lead the game in the wrong direction. It happened in shock headed peter with jack and in world of flags sloonei killed a teammate for town cred so it's not unheard of.
As of right now though I'm leaning a DDL vote. He puts a lot of stock into the random vote thing when it seems like that's what a lot of people tend to do early game before they make a final decision.
Softest defense of Jack ever.
What does that tell you about Sabie if I’m scum? If I’m town?
If you're scum, it nudges the odds of her being scum up the meter by a smidgen or two.
Not appreciably, though. It may just be that she thinks DDL is the slightly scummier option, like she said.

I haven't ruled out a Jack/DDL team yet, anyway. Sabie hasn't said or committed enough to anything to be compatible or incompatible with anyone.
Cool. Let me bus DDL.

Go for it, dude. Then kill me and ride out the credit to endgame.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:16 pm Cool. Let me bus DDL.
Go for it, dude. Then kill me and ride out the credit to endgame.
Lol but why would I kill you?

Becuz I'm onto you

Mac what are you up to this game?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:34 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:20 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:23 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 11:55 am

Disclaimer: I have never heard of the "Actually" tell. I made it up. That said, let's take a look.

What is the purpose of this word in the sentence? Without 'actually' in there, the sentence reads:
"You or Juliets think I scumread Mac from one post?" which is a question.

Putting in "actually" turns this question into an attack on their alignment or reasoning, one of the two. It insinuates that either DDL/Juliets don't believe what they are saying (therefore scum)... or they do, and that it's ridiculous. Painting their inquiry as scummy or ridiculous is an aggressive, defensive measure that pushes them to back off and shuts down the line of inquiry without actually answering their query.

In short, it's an unnecessary word that comes from a possibly-bad and blustery perspective. I see this post and hear a ten-year-old Overwatch player yelling into the microphone "You actually think this is my main account? You're seriously stupid if you think this Silver account is my main account. I'm actually ranked Diamond."
Epi famously says the use of adverbs is a scum tell (which has proved true in some cases) but I think this ievel of detail is much more convincing.
It is? Tell me about that.
The fact that usually an adverb is an unnecessary word in a post has been voiced before but I've never seen the argument extended to say it changed the meaning of the sentence. In this case it did Imo turn the sentence into an accusation and seemed blustery.
You feel that I accused you and DDL in a blustery way?
It's like the example speed used - "actually" turns the sentence into "You actually believe that?" with the emphasis on the actually, Blustery is the word speed uses, I could also say incredulous in an accusing way if it makes it any clearer.
You feel I accused you and DDL in an incredulous way?

[VOTE: Jackofhearts] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:38 pm Nice April Fools joke, Chuck. Be serious.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:44 pm I’m seriously having a hard time with the idea that I’ve “accused” Juliets in a “blustery” or “incredulous” way.

I do agree with one thing in Speedchuck’s literary analysis, the implication that I have a problem with the idea that people actually think I scumread Mac when I said no such thing.

I have more problem with DDL basically declaring rvs votes without strong reasoning are scummy (I don’t think I’ve ever seen him go after say Mac on D1 and Mac explains maybe half his D1 votes) than I do with Juliets awkwardly sheeping a grammatical read.

TBH I was considering posting a vote for DDL, but then you started repeating stuff back at Juliets without the 'actually's just to make a point and I was like

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:47 pm Also, this is a boring ass D1 since maybe 80 of the conversation is about me and I’m waiting for something else to happen.

If you wanna make something else happen, don't spend a whole page focusing on the thing you don't want to focus on. Nobody has ACTUALLY asked you anything about the grammar scumtell. You are free to not address it and to do something else. You just said you don't take much issue with Juliets' stuff.

Move on? We have 90 minutes. What do you think of Mac? Anything else on DDL other than weird game philosophy (the guy has apparently never heard of RVS, how even?)

I don't mind a DDL lynch either. Jack has made a salient point, and it's certainly a more conventional tell than what I spotted. :P

Plus I scumread DDL first.

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

April Fools!

Okay. Cool.

Now don't forget the next step in the plan, Jack.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:16 pm Cool. Let me bus DDL.
Go for it, dude. Then kill me and ride out the credit to endgame.

The game plan for Jack, in case anyone was wondering.

POE: Luna, Jack, Mac, Sabie?

I'll need to think about it.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:00 pm Good job people.

Linki - Not so fast

They call me speedchuck for a reason

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 8:02 pm I'd like everyone to tell me who the most suspicious living player is por favor.

Mac/Jack

Haven't decided for sure.

Put me down for Mac.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 9:21 pm Which makes Mac’s response to this not the best. ESP since Speed is majorly easy to push. The running joke of Speed always being mafia plus a similar thought process to mine and I always gather early votes regardless of my alignment. Like if I had to pick a player to try to mislynch from the word go, I pick Speed. Not cause he’s an easy mislynch but because the suspicion is easy to justify. Of course, Mac doesn’t even try to justify it so...idk.

I am greatly offended.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:15 am Wait a minute

*waits*

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
leetic
Lunalee
Macdougall
novaselinever
sabie12
speedchuck

These ISOs are backwards.

DDL
Jackofhearts2005
juliets
leetic
Lunalee
Macdougall
novaselinever
sabie12
speedchuck

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:21 am http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/search ... mit=Search
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The 'I don't want you to ISO my teammate DDL' tell.

(kidding, but why isn't DDL's ISO here?)

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:33 am Thank you speed. I don't know how you did them so fast.

Copy-paste, my friend. Copy-paste.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:38 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:34 am
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 02, 2019 11:33 am Thank you speed. I don't know how you did them so fast.
Copy-paste, my friend. Copy-paste.
How fast are you?

I'm pretty good at clicking the "Isolate posts by XXXXX" under people's names, then copying the URL from the top of my browser.

TBH I don't even know how you made those backwards ISOs.

Jack will kill me. :nod:

I got nothing.

Why Sabie?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:11 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:49 pm I don't mind a DDL lynch either. Jack has made a salient point, and it's certainly a more conventional tell than what I spotted. :P

Plus I scumread DDL first.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:05 pm [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

April Fools!
This is the worst DDL vote I believe

What's my scum thought process in choosing to vote DDL, Nova?

I know these posts look bad with a lack of context. But with the particular timing being what it is, what do you see in there?

Jack is still bad IMO

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Explain this.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 12:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:29 am 7 players. Assuming 1 wolf and no extra kills or stopped kills, POE is 3.

Mac, Speed, Juliets.

Case on Mac: Ignores DDL case, promotes alternative suspects, N1 target is super convenient

Trust fall Mac: Probably 1-2 town PRs and 0-1 scum PRs. Just claiming PR is good.

Case Speed: Treats DDL like he’s bussing him ie pushing the same way until it isn’t viable and taking undeserved credit. Acts like I’m going to kill him for suspecting me makes it look like he knows I’m town.

Trust fall Speed: Idk. I had a decent reason but I forgot it. Will update.

Case Juliets: Quotes the post immediately following the DDL case but when Nova basically restates the DDL case, acts like this is new information. Votes DDL after momentum has turned so this comes across as fake.

Trust fall Juliets: Going to find a specific game where DDL did something that makes him look scummy here is not effort I expect to see from a goon that decides to bus late in the day.
Speed and Jack are sooo teammates. I can't take off the tinfoil.

Luna is town. I don't see her faking this.

There's only one scum left, Luna.

I believe Mac at the moment.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 11:52 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:51 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:11 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:49 pm I don't mind a DDL lynch either. Jack has made a salient point, and it's certainly a more conventional tell than what I spotted. :P

Plus I scumread DDL first.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2019 7:05 pm [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

April Fools!
This is the worst DDL vote I believe
What's my scum thought process in choosing to vote DDL, Nova?

I know these posts look bad with a lack of context. But with the particular timing being what it is, what do you see in there?
The though process of "let me not be on the counter wagon to my scum buddy".

What context are you talking about? They look just as bad within the context and the timing. I tied the wagons, and was trying to get Juliet to switch which she was considering. The optimal play for a scum buddy on Jack's wagon is to switch to DDL 'cause the best they'll get is a coinflip, especially for one that allegedly scum read him.

Or I could have just stayed on the counter... wagon...

Nevermind, I forgot when I voted. Fair enough.

[VOTE: JackofHearts] aubergine

The culprit is either Jack, or Mac is lying.

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