The Syndicate

Yeah okay.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:09 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2019 3:08 pm Yeah okay.
We got one.

aw heck

Hmm... we dont have any information to work on yet, so we should probably no lynch d1.

I voted for that just now

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:53 pm Upon further consideration I think they have some merit, but I want to hear it from other people. Mainly speedchuck

If you think they have merit, what's with the vote?

So for everyone who asks, I was (as assumed by some) trolling for reactions. I'll be moving my vote, but hey, started some discussion.

I would cite the number of times I've argued against No Lynch On D1 but apparently I am not able to search for those words in my post history.

DDL's knee-jerk reaction didn't look great, as someone who knows me. Ultra doesn't look bad for the reaction, though he/she seems a little focused on Nova for some reason when I look at the ISO.
JJJ reacted exactly as expected.

I'll just let everyone know I'm not going to be as active as you crazy devils. I'm in another game and I wasn't a top poster in that one either.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:18 pm Basically I voted you reflexively and now I'm trying to save face.

To add to Jack's above thoughts, DDL could have just voted as a disapproval and then moved on. A vote can be just as throwaway as the original line. But he's panicking, doubling down then retreating, trying to sound justified, etc.

I don't feel like I'm the authority on this, as I'm the one who baited the trap and might be biased, and DDL was the first to respond, but he definitely looks worst at first glance.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:55 am Gemma
Jackofhearts2005
novaselinenever
rundontwalk
speedchuck
Ultra

JessieKruger
Tsaiah

Dragomir
Dragon D. Luffy
Epignosis
Luxurious
M Plus 7
MacDougall
Owner
Soneji

It's like the flag of India.

That's a lot of scum pings. This is basically a GTH yes?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:28 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:26 am It's like the flag of India.

That's a lot of scum pings. This is basically a GTH yes?
Sorta in that it's [mostly] binary. I actually looked at ISOs though to construct it rather than shooting reads from the hip. It's closer to a... POE.

i will cut you

Went over Ultra's ISO. Got a few town pings from it, as he's finding his place. I think he knows Nova, and the only scummy thing I've found is that he's sorta using that as a crutch? Conversing with Nova, biting at him, trying to drag reads from him.

Nova isn't your wall, buddy. Come out here with the rest of us or I'll scumread you for hiding.

mafias cum . net

Sounds like a porn site. I'm at work thanks.

Dragomir is also too hesitant. Hesitance is more likely to come from being scum around new people than being town around them.

But what do I know about hesitance. I was a SK my first game here and it was a ball.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:57 am are games here usually this slow

considering the length of the dayphase, i have concerns

After playing a different cross-community game, this is a breath of fresh air. Gemma isn't afraid to take stances or make posts, not in any way.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 4:53 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:29 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:02 am What is the point of D0 if we can't lynch anyone?
Day 0 is a courtesy phase to ensure that everybody has time to receive their role and check in before the start of Day 1.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:08 pm @Sloonei MP needs an ISO link
Added. People with spaces in their names defy my black magic sorcery.
Can i make a sad request to please stop using yellow i cannot see it on white background

FELLOW WHITE BACKGROUNDER!

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:24 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 6:16 pm Alright I'm probably being too harsh. But explain to me why No Lynch is a good idea.
Either own the vote or dont vote bro

Luxurious wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:26 pm I liked the vote but the comment afterwards just left a sour taste in my mouth

I want to town read this because I agree with it really hard.

Don't really see an issue with the rest of the content in this ISO. Lots of off-topic stuff but that's cool.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:41 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:24 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:18 pm Basically I voted you reflexively and now I'm trying to save face.
To add to Jack's above thoughts, DDL could have just voted as a disapproval and then moved on. A vote can be just as throwaway as the original line. But he's panicking, doubling down then retreating, trying to sound justified, etc.

I don't feel like I'm the authority on this, as I'm the one who baited the trap and might be biased, and DDL was the first to respond, but he definitely looks worst at first glance.
What do you think of admission of messing up? That doesn't looking someone trying to sound justified.

True. The quoted post is pretty decent. DDL's going for a hard reset there, not trying to sound justified anymore.

That's the problem. I DID set a trap. Traps can catch town too, and DDL often looks scummy as town.

For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s

[VOTE: Ultra] aubergine

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:58 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:57 am For my next performance, I'll suggest lynching a no-show on D1, which is a little more palatable. /s
too late

novas already did that

Is that so, [mention]novaselinenever[/mention]?

30 hours left and you want to lynch a no-show? Scum.

Oh. I just realized I'm starving.

Later.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:00 pm [VOTE: Ultra] aubergine
did you forget that you were townreading that player

No. Because I'm not.

I have some town pings from them, but I mentioned something scummy as well. If it continues, their need to cling to and buddy Nova will easily outweigh any town cred they have.

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:29 pm [VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I don't know speedchuck or his meta or whatever but he town read and defended him far too soon. Also switched his vote to a player who isn't active instead of pursuing DDL

Do you believe that JJJ was defending a teammate, or that he knows I'm town because he's not?

Ultra wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:19 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:39 am The whole no lynch thing is hilarious, and I'm more intrigued by DDL jumping on Speed than the latter making that claim. I took it as him messing around, 'cause I don't believe for a second that he's serious about it.

I can't say I'm a fan of you calling out the vote on DDL, nor throwing around fancy words like "chainsaw defense". Feels like over-compensating
If that was a bait post it's a pretty bad one. A player with low presence makes a very bad suggestion and then leaves. I can't reflexively blame someone for voting for that. I will blame a player for jumping on that player without explanation.

I thought it was pretty good. It might have worked even.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:14 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:07 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 12:00 pm [VOTE: Ultra] aubergine
did you forget that you were townreading that player
No. Because I'm not.

I have some town pings from them, but I mentioned something scummy as well. If it continues, their need to cling to and buddy Nova will easily outweigh any town cred they have.

can you explain how you got to the opinion that ultra is using nova as a clutch and how that makes him more likely to be mafia

At the time I'd posted that, 30-60% of ultra's content was about or directed at Nova, another 25% was filler. Leaving about 1/3 of their content at most directed at other players. And even that content was more 'about' them, very distanced reads, rather than addressing or prodding them.

It is my opinion that it makes them more likely mafia, as mafia often has more trouble being bold in the thread.

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:28 pm do you all not have the powerwoof on this site

Of course we do.

What is that?

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 1:38 pm it's ok we don't have it on dlp either really

makes things easier i guess

Oy, dis bird's being cagey.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:39 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:57 am are games here usually this slow

considering the length of the dayphase, i have concerns

After playing a different cross-community game, this is a breath of fresh air. Gemma isn't afraid to take stances or make posts, not in any way.
Expound

I recently played a crossover game with another forum, which I won't name directly because it feels like badmouthing. They weren't able to keep up with a game that traveled at slower than normal syndicate speed, and some players were upset about how much posting was done and how it was too stressful.

I'm... a little cooler on Gemma now because of the "What" and "Why" and "How" posts that keep coming, drilling for repetitive info instead of supplying some. But I like their moxy (and the comics).

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:16 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:15 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:39 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:57 am are games here usually this slow

considering the length of the dayphase, i have concerns

After playing a different cross-community game, this is a breath of fresh air. Gemma isn't afraid to take stances or make posts, not in any way.
Expound
I recently played a crossover game with another forum, which I won't name directly because it feels like badmouthing. They weren't able to keep up with a game that traveled at slower than normal syndicate speed, and some players were upset about how much posting was done and how it was too stressful.

I'm... a little cooler on Gemma now because of the "What" and "Why" and "How" posts that keep coming, drilling for repetitive info instead of supplying some. But I like their moxy (and the comics).
Okay so for someone who doesnt know Gemma’s play

Why does that make them town if they arent actually doing anything

I don't know Gemma's play at all. I have no meta on them.

All I know is that they are playing with some amount of boldness, which is indicative of a town mindset, but are also beginning to ask repetitive questions, which is a stand-in for content that indicates a scum mindset.

I'm not sure which direction I lean toward at the moment.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:24 pm Do you have any scum reads outside of, like, DDL

Haven't read the whole game, probably not going to. Finger of suspicion right now is on:

Gemma
Owner
Ultra
Dragomir
DDL

Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:32 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:29 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:24 pm Do you have any scum reads outside of, like, DDL
Haven't read the whole game, probably not going to. Finger of suspicion right now is on:

Gemma
Owner
Ultra
Dragomir
DDL
I dig it.

I dont really know Dragomir, nor can i remember any of their posts so meh there.

What’s your thoughts on a potential JJJ/Gemma/Owner team

I don't know Dragomir either.

I don't have any reason to scumread JigglyJunkyJam

Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 8:42 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:15 pm
Luxurious wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 5:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:39 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:57 am are games here usually this slow

considering the length of the dayphase, i have concerns

After playing a different cross-community game, this is a breath of fresh air. Gemma isn't afraid to take stances or make posts, not in any way.
Expound
I recently played a crossover game with another forum, which I won't name directly because it feels like badmouthing. They weren't able to keep up with a game that traveled at slower than normal syndicate speed, and some players were upset about how much posting was done and how it was too stressful.

I'm... a little cooler on Gemma now because of the "What" and "Why" and "How" posts that keep coming, drilling for repetitive info instead of supplying some. But I like their moxy (and the comics).
what

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:06 am So for everyone who asks, I was (as assumed by some) trolling for reactions. I'll be moving my vote, but hey, started some discussion.
This feels a bit too scripted. Not sure, if this was planned for some motive or what, but generally talking or getting the conversation going is a good thing, unless there's some hidden/scum motive involved..hmm

How soon do you think you'll be moving your vote? / Who are your currently suspicious of?

I have moved my vote (and answered this question), so I'll assume you get to that

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 6:06 am I could see an Ultra/Owner connection if I squint.

I haven't seen it yet, but I'm not caught up. I suspect both of them separately.

My old forum used +EV and -EV all the time

I don't particularly townread any of the Nova voters. Going to stay far away from that wagon.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:54 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:09 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 30, 2019 12:04 am
Gemma wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 11:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:44 pm @Gemma

Why should I move my vote off you?
if you scumread me you shouldn't obv
Oh so I should mislynch you?
whichever response gets you to scumread me more
Okay Gemma I have officially decided that I dont wanna lynch you today

[VOTE: owner] aubergine

I don't mind the switch, but I don't follow the train of thought here. Why's that?

linki: So that's why the owner at least.

I'm sick and am not going to post too much at the moment.

Reading though.

@ me.

Gemma wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:03 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:14 pm I saved JJJ last night.

That you've blurted this out promptly despite the ambiguity of a non-kill in this setup strikes me as a genuine instinct.
This setup is honestly crap lol.

This setup is great

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:31 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:24 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:09 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:03 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:14 pm I saved JJJ last night.

That you've blurted this out promptly despite the ambiguity of a non-kill in this setup strikes me as a genuine instinct.
This setup is honestly crap lol.
Agreed.
Agreed.

wtf

I came into this day planning to go after Owner.

But as it turns out, Jack is scum. So there's that.

I'll try to figure out how to explain why.

linki: You're a lot more bold about this kind of thing than I am, mac

linkilinki both

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:50 pm Somebody give me a progressive rock album to listen to.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:37 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:32 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:14 pm I saved JJJ last night.
Or someone roleblocked the killer.
Or the mafia chose not to kill.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:03 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:41 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:37 pm I caught up this morning and found myself having to realign my reads.

Nova looks super solid in light of the ultra lynch.

Epi looks a little fishy for trying to piggyback on my nova case.

Still don't like Owner.

Not getting a good vibe from Soneji. Him having a low post count is normal, but he normally comes at the end with a bunch of attacks against players and is sure of thing. Here he feels more... basic.

Mac is giving me a civ vibe. Compared to the other game where he was very tame, here he's pissed off. I like pissed off Mac.

RDW needs to come down to the playground.

Neutral on the rest.
Why is Nova super solid? I’ve played two days of another game and read most of Nutella’s champs D1 since this thread closed.
It's not like I changed my mind about the questions thing being fishy, but vote analysis > how many questions the guy is asking.

Nova was the name of the Ultra wagon. He pushed it more than everyone else. I bet he's the one mafia tried to kill tonight.
The wagon was the towncore (Speed/Jack/Lux), Jay (who Ultra was after and who was probably the nk), and Nova.

You think there were no wolves on Nova’s wagon?
You're rewriting D1 here.

"Towncore" Jack didn't do anything to push Ultra's wagon. He jumped in after Speed and I.

"Towncore" Lux magically understood the case on Ultra 5mn before EoD.

"Who was probably the nk" Jay was very all right with Ultra going after him. Liked his "assertive tone", had him green and jumped in not long before EoD after being prodded.

What are you trying to do?
You can’t make me take back my reads!

Defense played for overeggageration, laughs

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:18 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:17 pm Lux I suspect you are getting bias from your initial sight of Jay exploding a thread.

If you look around you, you'll notice there are people who think Jay is not exploding the thread hard enough.

Laughing at the same old things.

Just feels off to me. Like... Jack is funnier when he's town, instead of having these jokes that defend him and prod at normalcy.
Screw it, call this a toneread. Jack trying to play too casual after two phases of tremendously bad luck

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:54 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:51 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:50 pm Somebody give me a progressive rock album to listen to.

I said "progressive rock."

Wow, three minutes. Sure gave that one a chance.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:54 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:50 pm I came into this day planning to go after Owner.

But as it turns out, Jack is scum. So there's that.

I'll try to figure out how to explain why.

linki: You're a lot more bold about this kind of thing than I am, mac

linkilinki both
Does that mean you also think DDL is scum

I've been entertaining the possibility since early D1, when I trapped him all weirdly. I scumread, but I am not sold on it. Looking forward to the mac attack.

Luxurious wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:58 pm
Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:56 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:37 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:32 pm
Gemma wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:14 pm I saved JJJ last night.
Or someone roleblocked the killer.
Or the mafia chose not to kill.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:03 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:51 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:46 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:41 pm

Why is Nova super solid? I’ve played two days of another game and read most of Nutella’s champs D1 since this thread closed.
It's not like I changed my mind about the questions thing being fishy, but vote analysis > how many questions the guy is asking.

Nova was the name of the Ultra wagon. He pushed it more than everyone else. I bet he's the one mafia tried to kill tonight.
The wagon was the towncore (Speed/Jack/Lux), Jay (who Ultra was after and who was probably the nk), and Nova.

You think there were no wolves on Nova’s wagon?
You're rewriting D1 here.

"Towncore" Jack didn't do anything to push Ultra's wagon. He jumped in after Speed and I.

"Towncore" Lux magically understood the case on Ultra 5mn before EoD.

"Who was probably the nk" Jay was very all right with Ultra going after him. Liked his "assertive tone", had him green and jumped in not long before EoD after being prodded.

What are you trying to do?
You can’t make me take back my reads!
Defense played for overeggageration, laughs

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:18 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:17 pm Lux I suspect you are getting bias from your initial sight of Jay exploding a thread.

If you look around you, you'll notice there are people who think Jay is not exploding the thread hard enough.

Laughing at the same old things.

Just feels off to me. Like... Jack is funnier when he's town, instead of having these jokes that defend him and prod at normalcy.
Screw it, call this a toneread. Jack trying to play too casual after two phases of tremendously bad luck

Why does everyone use meta give me something on Gemma’s Level 1 scale that i can understand

It's not really a meta read. It's a toneread with a small nod to meta. I pointed out motive and emotion.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:59 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:58 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:54 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:51 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 9:50 pm Somebody give me a progressive rock album to listen to.

I said "progressive rock."
Wow, three minutes. Sure gave that one a chance.
I own the album. The triology, in fact.

Wait there's a third one?!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 10:10 pm Thanks speedchuck- I'm enjoying this way more than I did when it came out.

I bought this for my dad this past Christmas. It's really good.

[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

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