The Syndicate

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 10:39 pm Wait, we don't have post restrictions, do we?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:52 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 30, 2020 4:47 pm The only Radiohead song I like is karma police

Hello again everyone

ok this guy is mafia

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:17 am Alright, I've decided I'm not going to get misexed again. Wolves, I hope you have your finger on the trigger to gun me down, because you sure as hell aren't getting rid of me any way else. I've worked hard to clear up my IRL distractions so I can focus on this game, and my WIM is pretty damn high right now.

Let's start with some raw facts.

The following players are town: DrWilgy, Dyslexicon, Hally, Herm, MacDougall, Master Radishes, Oddmerta, Poison Chan, sprityo, SPF and tutuu. You might be asking yourself how I've managed to confirm 10 people as town in 6 pages. If so, you didn't read the game. If you're skeptical about my reads, remember that in nearly half a dozen games on the Syndicate, I've only towncored 1 person wrong, ever. When I get killed N1 for my reads, remember this post and trust everyone I said to trust.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:25 am Hey guys Sprityo and JPIC are naked mafia.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:30 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:28 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:25 am Hey guys Sprityo and JPIC are naked mafia.

Sprityo has town energy tbh

Citation needed

I think sprityo doesn't care that he's being scumread, but JPIC makes a show of not caring while actually caring. (See: "I better get a good reason why I'm being scumread" -> "screw you guys I'm drinking coffee and definitely not caring about the game".)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:36 am Sprityo is outing by not omgussing me tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:40 am Come on Sprityo I must be mafia for scum reading you. Give it to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:40 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:39 am It's true, but i'll take me odds with town-town mac this time. I'm interested in the JPIC read you have

Interesting you say

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:42 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:40 am Come on Sprityo I must be mafia for scum reading you. Give it to me.

Imma let you skate day 1 but only if you promise to bus

But if I buss you then we'll lose our best power role

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am Now why is the JPIC read interdasting?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:00 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:59 amlol

I see you are taking the "hard claim mafia" defensive strategy.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:58 am [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:01 am [VOTE: spirityo] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:02 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:58 am [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

As if i'm actually gonna get lynched

Come back when you know me a little better pal

didnt u just lament your 50% mislynch record?

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:10 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:09 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:02 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:58 am [VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

As if i'm actually gonna get lynched

Come back when you know me a little better pal

didnt u just lament your 50% mislynch record?

numbers arent updated, dunno what it's at now

It's still impressive because i also have one of the highest win rates on the site. at least according to JJJ

i meant: why do u say there is no chance u are getting lynched when u also say u seem to keep getting lynched?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:19 am I have a genuine townread of Sprit

Someone send help

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:29 am

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:21 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:19 am I have a genuine townread of Sprit

Someone send help

It's because I smell like lavendar and bathe in honey

Silky smooth skin, etc. What's not to townread?

you are too smooth for being true. also bathing in honey? that's sticky and disgusting even for my imagination, sorry.

why are you different than Upick by the way? also are you always scummy?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:44 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:39 pm i also don't really get what's going on with spirit and jpic? Maybe it's because I don't know their meta?

I really think the way sprityo attacked JPIC was super scummy and it's one of the major factors that would make JPIC trend up in my reads (I'm ambivalent about it atm because there are good reasons to scumread him too and he didn't really do anything when I tried to reach out to him and get him to show me his towniness).

It was like, sprityo gets pressured by Mac and questioned, and then he immediately redirects with "actually let's not talk about this, let's talk about your JPIC read, I thought that was interesting". And then when Mac challenges him to specify what he found interesting about the JPIC read, he flails for a bit and then lashes out at Mac ("everything you've said has been bollocks", "your case is only based on your own word" etc).

To me that reads as though sprityo is very uncomfortable with Mac's pressure and wants to divert attention to someone else he thinks Mac will scumread just as strongly, and perhaps even townread him for finding JPIC scummy. Could scum!sprityo bullshit some fake reason why the JPIC read was "interesting"? I don't know. But I do know that the two towny responses to pressure are either folding and just receding from the game (because you can't take it) or trying to argue/fight back and show why you're town/why the person pressuring you is misguided or scum. It isn't townie to just grab some random player that's widely scumread and try to use them as a human shield.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:52 pm let's agree to disagree

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:10 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:07 pm Applejacks:
DrWilgy
dyachei
Justplayingitcool
MacDougall
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Poison Chan

Bran Flakes:
Alison
Samusamu
nutella
Juliets
ColinIsCool
Long Con
Oddmerta
staypositivefriend
tedxtr
Timsup2nothin
tutuu
Master Radishes
Dyslexicon
Hally
Herm

I think everyone has posts so I can at the least take out everyone listed as Applejacks. Im gonna OMGUS Alison until i prove to myself she doesnt deserve it. Everyone else is Bran Flakes

You’re voting your townread?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:48 pm Wait, this is like the one site I'm not always town. But I'm town this game. Super promise.

Also you should consider signing up for my job after this one

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:49 pm I take back what I said about sprit reading the game correctly.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:53 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:51 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:49 pm I take back what I said about sprit reading the game correctly.

Is it because you're Master Bran Flakes now?

I love bran flakes!

Nah I love the effort, and I think you built a good case. I just think it's predicated too heavily on making her posts fit a narrative you've gotten into your head.

I'm not closing the door in Alison being a wolf, but I'm definitely not ready to go there yet. Not on D1.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:57 pm Does sprityo have the sheer cojones to hard thunderdome consensus town when under pressure as wolf?

I think no.

Does sprityo have the desperation required to hard thunderdome consensus town when under pressure as wolf?

...maybe? But it would be a weird time to do it now, and not while Mac was calling him out.

IME big ass walls filled with quotes and line by line analysis occur when someone really wants someone else killed and wants to get everyone else on board for real. Hard to see wolf sprityo picking me as the D1 misexe. It would be more on brand for him to try to throw someone else under the bus and float to the top of the POE.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:06 pm I looked at sprityo's wall to see what all this "scummy logic" stuff was about and the criticism of my case boils down to four main ideas. Here is my response to each of them.

- You flipped your read on me too quickly!

I do that sometimes.

- You're trying to make me look bad!

I often do that to people I scumread, so that other people will vote them.

- You're trying to pocket JPIC!

He's literally in my bottom 2 POE.

- You said you were sheeping ___ for reads, but later on you didn't!

When I say I'm sheeping someone, that doesn't mean I'm copying every word of their readslist.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:27 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 5:23 pm The exclamation points are unnecessary. I'm not some shrill crybaby. You still havent addressed not having any backing to your reads or points. especially me

It's not clear to me what kind of backing you're looking for. Do you want quotes? Links? Academic citations? When I say "sprityo did this" or "sprityo did that" I assume you know what I'm talking about. If you have some specific point I made that you want me to back up, tell me which ones.

Here's the cliff's notes on my case on you.

a) MacDougall said you'd scumread him if you were town, but you refused to.
b) I think this is scummy.
c) Then, you redirected the conversation from you to JPIC.
d) I think this is you trying to goad Mac into attacking JPIC and either forgetting about the case on you, or townreading you for also scumreading JPIC.
e) I think this is scummy, too.

Feel free to specify a letter and why you don't think that point is adequately supported by logic and I'll get back to you on it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:29 pm Nanook feels like he's floundering amongst the overt towniness of the game.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:46 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:45 pm Well, heck.

I have played the mow intensity goof off game I wanted to play, but now it is three hours to the midpoint of the day, where I post my day one reads, and I got nothin' in particular and haven't taken any notes from which to come up with anything.

Low intensity goofing off turns out to just be procrastination and now I have to make up for it.

Not amused.

Come sheep my wagon on Samu! I have actual reasons!

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:50 pm Alison: makes a well thought out case on Samusamu

The rest of the town: but what about lobster bisque

Ive had lobstert bisque once. It sucked and was too thick for my tastes

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:35 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:33 pm [VOTE: Samusamu] aubergine

let's go

what he's so pure though

I stanned him in g9 and I'm stanning him now

I actually agree! It was why I was townreading him at first!

But, like, his reads are so bad and disagreeable, and then there was that really, really weird accusation that came totally out of the blue of Mac being Rogue.

Has anyone else even mentioned Rogue besides that joke claim at the very start of the game? No, we've all forgotten that the 3P exists. We're focused on the town vs mafia aspect of the game. Not Samu though! He remembers Rogue exists. Rogue is on his mind, to the point where he rejects much more natural conclusions ("Mac is a mixed bag" "Mac is null" "I can't sort Mac") in favor of a real reach to call Mac 3P. I genuinely believe that this is a >>rand 3P tell, and I can show you a game where 3P outed their alignment exactly like this.

It would explain all the stuff I found confusing about him. He seems so agenda-less and his tone is so pure because he really doesn't have an agenda (or at least not the kind of agenda we expect from scum), and he really isn't trying to manipulate anyone. He's doing something completely different from the war between town and scum. He's giving reads like they're obligatory, because he isn't really invested in solving. They're bad reads because he doesn't put thought into them and he doesn't follow up on them, but they aren't constructed to feed a certain narrative or undermine certain players because he genuinely doesn't care.

To me this read makes a lot of sense and it ties all the threads of Samu's behavior together neatly. I'd really like to sit on this wagon and see how far I can ride it.

i actually like this read because it's incredibly common for mafia/3p to project their roles onto other players without realizing it

Poison Chan wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:41 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 4:48 pm

Spoiler: show

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am Okay, I'm convinced, sprit is scummy. I want you to tell me how that suddenly changed. I don't think we've ever played together for starters.

Specifically what persuaded me was the way sprit declined multiple opportunities to earn Mac's townread by saying "yeah I think Mac is scum for misreading me". Regardless of how accurate the meta tell is, I think town are generally a lot more likely to just be like "yeah, yeah, I'm town, here's what you want, now leave me alone so I can slank/solve/lead/whatever", whereas mafia tends to be naturally be inclined towards being more self-conscious and less likely to "blatantly" try to grab towncred because they're paranoid it looks bad or it could be a trap.This is hypothetical, what is normal means nothing and meta is a useless word to justify an agenda. What town cred am I trying to grab?

Naturally this doesn't apply if the scum player in question is good enough to do audacious things to get townread but sprit doesn't seem like a particularly audacious player so I'm just seeing this as scum. Audacious? hahahahAHAHAHA

Flimsy at best. Made even less solid given your sudden change in alignment. Then of course we got-

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:43 am Ok you're town

wow, this is your second bait and switch of the day

removing linki was a mistake

(I stand by my read though)

If your excuse would be youre just following mac and that now youre not because you've "developed your own opinion" it's still not enough to justify what youre trying to push. You couldnt go back either way after that big post because it would make you look bad. Yet you had to justify it with "i stand by my read though.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:45 am [VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

I'm sheeping my towncore.

side note unrelated to me and all my glory- Tutuu just says JPIC and FallenPrince are mafia with no backup. You only pushed this (ever so slightly) later

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 8:51 am [???]
Colin
dyachei
Fallen Prince
Long Con
Samusamu

[Mafia]
JPIC
sprityo
tedxtr

If you're just sheeping tutuu for reads then why's FP up in "???" ? TL;DR is telling me: lazy town applying logic to something unsubstantiated....at best. Or you're scum and making these loud bold statements on purpose to look good. since textwalls = town right? (no it doesnt)

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:00 am Your "let's talk about JPIC" thing feels like an awkward attempt to redirect the subject to JPIC now (probably because JPIC is one of the people perceived to be scummier than you) that you've admitted there's actually nothing legitimate to talk about.

Also "Mac's reads are all wrong, Mac's case on JPIC is bullshit, but I'll go ahead and sheep Mac onto JPIC anyways" is super bad.

Also I don't think JPIC and sprityo can be wolf together now so I'm wrongly scumreading one of them.

Okay, here's something I will give you credit for. You're not wrong. I had just popped into thread, saw my name in Mac's mouth. Reacted. I was assuming something noteworthy had actually happened, but no it's day 1 where we all shout how ugly your christmas sweaters are and then you get locked in the closet for being not ugly enough. Second line is true, true, and true but why is it super bad? you just saying so doesnt make me believe anything. Finally a backpedal on the scum read just before. This post is really good at throwing shade and that's about it.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:26 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:23 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 9:14 am Okay JPIC, here's the good news. I think sprit and you both look bad but I also don't think you can be wolves together and the way sprit tried to turn the subject to you when under pressure indicates that you're the town of that pair. Here's your chance to show me you're town. Tell me where your head is at with the gamestate atm. Do you feel optimistic about the mass of people all heavily townreading each other? Do you have any reads you feel strongly about?

/looking at powerwolfing article from thingy

*ahem*

Spirit is clearly a wolf. I see the wolves have no shame and once again are trying to get me mislynched like U-Pick. Disgraceful behaviour.

Do I feel optimistic about everyone townreading each other? Not really. My strongest townread is myself.

I feel like you're referencing something about that article but it's long and many parts of it could theoretically apply to this game so I'm going to need you to spell out what it is you mean exactly.

This post is good because Alison is trying to be "nice" to JPIC and win their trust so that she can bag more votes or at the least more negative attention to me. It makes her previous "IDK which is a wolf and which is town" even more odd. If she somehow changed her opinion of JPIC between her readwall and now why all the confusing text? If anything I think JPIC posted that article in reference to you or even mac because of how he was feeling
To summarize what I think about this post: There was no need for this post.

Two more posts just tunneling me in particular and then a bunch of non game relevant posts and then we get here:

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:44 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:39 pm i also don't really get what's going on with spirit and jpic? Maybe it's because I don't know their meta?

I really think the way sprityo attacked JPIC was super scummy and it's one of the major factors that would make JPIC trend up in my reads (I'm ambivalent about it atm because there are good reasons to scumread him too and he didn't really do anything when I tried to reach out to him and get him to show me his towniness).

It was like, sprityo gets pressured by Mac and questioned, and then he immediately redirects with "actually let's not talk about this, let's talk about your JPIC read, I thought that was interesting". And then when Mac challenges him to specify what he found interesting about the JPIC read, he flails for a bit and then lashes out at Mac ("everything you've said has been bollocks", "your case is only based on your own word" etc).

To me that reads as though sprityo is very uncomfortable with Mac's pressure and wants to divert attention to someone else he thinks Mac will scumread just as strongly, and perhaps even townread him for finding JPIC scummy. Could scum!sprityo bullshit some fake reason why the JPIC read was "interesting"? I don't know. But I do know that the two towny responses to pressure are either folding and just receding from the game (because you can't take it) or trying to argue/fight back and show why you're town/why the person pressuring you is misguided or scum. It isn't townie to just grab some random player that's widely scumread and try to use them as a human shield.

Which I've already quoted and talked about. This is the same post as above im saying is just shade throwing, only with more wording. This is more a direct attempt to get a single person to have a bad image of myself starting off. I'm sure any regular who's been in a game with Mac and I and we always have this rivalry goin on. I recognize mac is a good player, better than myself in my opinion. And mac recognizes i am a good player but a easy mislynch/lynch depending on what team we're respectively on. To which I will say yes, I am afraid of mac. Now you know. This isn't new so go figure that this post is NAI

Aaaaaand That's all I really have. Let's wrap it up outside the spoiler:

Alison has been making a lot of posts about past games, mechanics kind of? and of course pushing me and really only me. I saw something about Odd and ted here and there but really nothing to support her town reads or her two scum reads. I think Alison is trying to be a deepwolf with minimal effort to be honest. As for who could be her partners I could definitely but down JPIC, Mac, Tutuu, and Hally as potential partners.

-JPIC for how she suddenly scum read them, then didnt, then tried to help them not be scumread
-Mac couldve just been sheeped but there's also the possibility of "lol watch me get sprit mislynched, i've done it before. Just follow my lead"
-Tutuu and Hally are similar to mac, could just be buddy buddy with them and not actually partners.

Was this "you are scum for scum reading me"? sprityo

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:22 am ok i have to sleep i’m so tired here have a list

town:
mac
tutuu
alison

town lean:
odd
tim
spf
dizzy
wilgy
poison
radishes
dya
herm
samu

idk/poe/whatever:
nanook
nut
ted
sprit
colin
fallen/jules
lc
jpic

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:16 am Also I have no fucking clue what the Rogue does so I'm just going to treat Rogues as scum and kill them as eagerly as I would any scum member. If they're SK or some shit, I want to dispose of that as early as possible.

Sloonei wrote:Roleclaiming and infodumping may be legal for some, illegal for others.
Mechanics exist which make roleclaiming and infodumping potentially dangerous. Proceed with caution.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:16 am Also I have no fucking clue what the Rogue does so I'm just going to treat Rogues as scum and kill them as eagerly as I would any scum member. If they're SK or some shit, I want to dispose of that as early as possible.

Sloonei wrote:Roleclaiming and infodumping may be legal for some, illegal for others.
Mechanics exist which make roleclaiming and infodumping potentially dangerous. Proceed with caution.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 9:29 am Why has sprityo vanished off the face of the earth

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:16 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:13 pm Hey im caught up

Tutuu is mafia, please tell me why they are not.

i am mafia and you're the only townie who realized this and i have enough clout to make fun of u openly and still coast by and win

what are u gonna do about it cowboy

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:14 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:13 pm Hey im caught up

Tutuu is mafia, please tell me why they are not.

They bleed town

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:16 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 5:13 pm Hey im caught up

Tutuu is mafia, please tell me why they are not.

consistent tone and solving