The Syndicate

Picked none in the poll. Personal reasons.

Hi!

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:01 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:24 pm Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

Epi aren't the abilities used at night? We haven't had a game night yet. Or am I missing something (there were A LOT of things to digest in game Set-Up).

Hey all! Just want to point out that I find it difficult to believe that juliets was confused by this post. Like, even I can remember that people say shit like this on day 1. Thank you.

Oh and what the christ... as I went to post that, I got the "some posts were made while you were slow-ass typing on your phone" msg but the posts were all cut off and only the right hand side was visible? That a thing?

Seriously though, does the left half of the posts thing happen on all phones? Do I need a new background skin thing?

Owner, how many times have you played mafia with dh?

karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:13 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:09 pm
poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 pm Can't we just state we're Town so whoever have the Veritaserum can use it whenever they want to whoever they want without asking their sus about it (so not giving a hint/clue about them having the potion)?
This is obviously a good idea, right? Any objections?

I am town.
No, that's an awful waste of a 1-shot ability to tell the truth, just to get the same info as a regular ability (Divination). But because you've started this, I also have to say

I am a town.

Or else I'd look scum by not following along with it.

I'm catching up atm, but wanted to point out what could be a really weak attempt at following the I am town charge, but with a "typo" that invalidates it. I don't know this player, so I don't know if they would try something so clumsy as a baddie. But that extra word in their ld statement is noteworthy for a day 1.

Also, I am town.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:23 pm Kind of a pointless exercise anyway, for a couple of reasons.

1. Cop checks already exist.
2. If enough players say "I am town", the one-shot ability will be devalued to a cop check (if used in that way).

The above being stated, all that saying "I am town" does is give the person who said it towny points, regardless of alignment. There is little risk involved, especially if multiple people say it.

It might even be a scum gambit to be one of the first people doing it. "He suggested the thing, surely he wouldn't condemn himself."

Yeah. I was a participant for a bit, but I'm ignoring it.

linki: some neat ideas. I like them.

Also this was to be my next point. The I am town exercise tend to never pay the dividends it seems like it should. But here we are anyway lol.

Also I'm liking DH and Epig so far today, I'm neutral on juliets. None will getmy vote today barring a slip etc.

A bit more, befor I have to run. I'm liking the chatter for q day 1. Day 1 has always been weak for me, so im glad some players are so good at getting it going.

I asked Owner if he's played with DH before, don't think he answered? If I did, owner, please shoot out.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:41 pm You aren't 'town', you're 'timmer'.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:42 pm
Do you want Owner specifically to answer or can I

Hit it.

Okay, so reading owner's iso, I'd say he really and oddly blindered onto DH very early, and for what seems like entirely prev-game reasons. This allows him to talk a lot about suspicions towards sh, but without having to defend anything he says because, hey, is based on last game. And when pressed about it, he just versions of iunno I just feel it...

This can be a baddie move, but it can also just be blindering which ive done in the past. Those who know owner well, do you get any kind of alignment read from this angle?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:56 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:51 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:44 pm Also, what's a Player Salad? This terminology is new to me.
It's new to everyone.

A few games ago, we found a new scumtell. Scum players, in order to look productive, throw out some reads on other players. Not everyone, but also nobody specific. Nothing substantial, and little to follow up on. Just some light poking at some of the names in the thread, in a way that looks like it's generating content.

Something similar to that. I haven't seen it defined that well, but we've caught scum with it.

The smattering of player reads without substance was coined as 'player salad' by someone.
I wouldn't say it's new or just a few games ago. It's been part of common syndicate parlance for at least a year methinks.

That idea for catching scum has been around for years plural, its something I called people out for successfully several times. I just didn't think it had a name lol.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:49 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:52 pm Okay, so reading owner's iso, I'd say he really and oddly blindered onto DH very early, and for what seems like entirely prev-game reasons. This allows him to talk a lot about suspicions towards sh, but without having to defend anything he says because, hey, is based on last game. And when pressed about it, he just versions of iunno I just feel it...

This can be a baddie move, but it can also just be blindering which ive done in the past. Those who know owner well, do you get any kind of alignment read from this angle?
Sadly, I can read this post both ways. Slight town maybe if I try to not be paranoid. I guess I'm debating if you would question others about how to read me or if you would just come to a conclusion yourself.

Well I guess the real question is, what would someone who has barely played for years do in trying to read a player he doesn't know, but ask about them? And beyond that, where would an alignment tell be? Which brings me back to you talking a whole lot but really saying nothing much at all...

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:58 pm Ok, this is the post:

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm Alright, I'm now caught up.

Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.

I don't recall inh getting so direct and on point early like this, but thank you for calling attention to this post. It mirrors what I was wondering about owner but i also dig the jjj thoughts as well, as I'm going to be relying on people's familiarity with styles, at least early on.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergineI'm voting Owner. He didn't really say anything to convince me gut was wrong on him, and I'm not enthralled with other options.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:51 pm JJJ, I wouldn't bother. I think they are going to lynch me today regardless of what I say.

Ahh, fatalism.

Dude, I'm here and willing to listen.

Ugh, bullzeye whiffs on trying to comment on the trains and votes a missing player?

Just did a quick skim on lunch break. My day is consisting of grinding chunks of people into pulp, so time is short.

Whoever had mentioned that my posts were hedgy, you are absolutely right. I always stress that my thoughts on day 1 are based on very little substance, because it's day 1, so I use a lot of mights, mays and coulds. Get used to it, my opinions don't form up better until about day 3.

I've only got a second, but a quick skim tells that Bullzeye may be getting set up for a lazy day 1 vote. I'll be able to properly catch up tonight, but for now, that's a development I'll be studying .

So... I did not like bullzeye's vote on Day 1 at all.

I now do not suspect Bullseye at all. In fact, he is my #1 CIV read. I'd rather not elaborate more on that. I'm not the player with the cop style item, though, to be clear.

Also, the logic I'm using is not foolproof at all, it isn't technically information based, so I'm not saying this in a "follow me, my people" way. I'm making too many assumptions to push for people to follow me, but that's where I'm at. I think bullz is CIV.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:07 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:56 pm Also, the logic I'm using is not foolproof at all, it isn't technically information based, so I'm not saying this in a "follow me, my people" way. I'm making too many assumptions to push for people to follow me, but that's where I'm at. I think bullz is CIV.
who die instead

Reading back now, many pages!

Ok I was ISO ing poutanko and noticed something I had forgotten about karavalenge, and moved over to Kara.

1. Botched wording in her I am town statement which may, depending on mod discretion, invalidate a lie detect on it.

2. Commenting on sus against owner with supportive "meh?" Style little defences of his play which feel team-y.

3. Too specific in talk of owners deathly Hallows comments.

4. General ping in my gut.

I'm going to vote Kara, but could vote owner easily as well. Will read more tomorrow morning.

[VOTE: karavalenge] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:37 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:21 pm I've only got a second, but a quick skim tells that Bullzeye may be getting set up for a lazy day 1 vote. I'll be able to properly catch up tonight, but for now, that's a development I'll be studying .
What are the alternatives to the "may be?"

I suppose the obvious alternative is that people truly took offense at his vote, and I seem to remember that happening in the past as well with bullz at times. I'm certainly not going to paint every bullz voter as bad.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:42 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:22 pm Ok I was ISO ing poutanko and noticed something I had forgotten about karavalenge, and moved over to Kara.

1. Botched wording in her I am town statement which may, depending on mod discretion, invalidate a lie detect on it.

2. Commenting on sus against owner with supportive "meh?" Style little defences of his play which feel team-y.

3. Too specific in talk of owners deathly Hallows comments.

4. General ping in my gut.

I'm going to vote Kara, but could vote owner easily as well. Will read more tomorrow morning.
Did you have anything to say about poutanko?

Not really anything ground-breaking. He? Has a particular posting style that is new to me, but he seems to put enough attempt at substance in with the emojis that it's all good for me at this time.

I'm heading to bed to the sound of the new Julia Holter...

Kyle, ISO the posts of the people with votes? Shouldn't take too long?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:15 pm Changing my vote to kara, because timmer's on board with it. And because no one shares my INH suspicions.

Do you have specific thoughts on Kara that mirror mine? Or you think strongly that I'm civ so will follow my vote? I'm hoping it's the former, as I am civ but it doesn't mean my reads are correct.

[quote=JaggedJimmyJay post_id=492031 time=1541179052 user_id=402]
@timmer, it is highly unlikely that you have information on Bullzeye. I know this. So please expand on whatever rationale leads to your civilian read no him.

I have inferred he is civ from information of sorts, and I won't expand on it, I'm sorry. If people don't trust me enough to follow me on that, I'll have to be ok with it, but I'm keeping those cards close. Like I said previously though, I'm not a player with a cop item, it's different than that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:20 pm Those voting for and otherwise suspicious of kara, please talk to me about this post.

That post comes down a lot on his meta. Does Kara get agitated when he feels people's eyes on him? Is that agitation an alignment tell? I didn't answer this but alone of you maybe can.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:25 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:17 pm timmer, it is highly unlikely that you have information on Bullzeye. I know this. So please expand on whatever rationale leads to your civilian read no him.

I have inferred he is civ from information of sorts, and I won't expand on it, I'm sorry. If people don't trust me enough to follow me on that, I'll have to be ok with it, but I'm keeping those cards close. Like I said previously though, I'm not a player with a cop item, it's different than that.
I blocked you.
You really didn't need to throw that out there, JJJ, I'm not inferring from anything I did, but from what I think others did.

What is with these tags?

Ugh Luna, gurrrlll... you are all over the place and now you are bailing?

Oh wow... bullz, you could request replacement and hang on until one shows up as best you can? Requesting getting lynched isn't really the right way to go, imo?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:11 pm I looked over Luna's posts in U-Pick and Mega Man (mafia in both). It's difficult to identify any tonal differences with this game. In terms of content, I do observe that in her mafia performances she was inclined toward individualized player analysis, in the forms of large quote compilations, ISOs, or thorough reads lists, in a way that isn't quite as visible here. Her hunting activity is more reactive and less self-constructed.

Luna is definitely reactionary right now. It reminds me of my earlier mafia career where I would freak out once I realized that I was being eyed. But she seems to be flailing with no idea of an overarching goal. Vote bullz. Don't vote bullz. But vote bullz. But maybe Kara. But no bullz... it's dizzying.

Oh I overread her posts, she started with comments to owner voters, not bullz voters, but that just adds to the scattershot nature.

I don't think I'm voting luna at this time.

I just noticed jack has a vote on glorfindel and realized that I know nothing about that, so Im off to ISO them both.

So... Jack comes across as someone who honestly doesn't seem to give a shit what is happening in the game, he posts a ton of flippant stuff and overtly tried to grab a deathly Hallows by voting LC in a lynch without having ever said he even suspected him... this is not someone trying for a civ win but... is this how Jack is? I can't remember.

But I don't like how he's just idly commenting on things without really trying to push the thread or promote his ideas.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:39 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:11 pm I looked over Luna's posts in U-Pick and Mega Man (mafia in both). It's difficult to identify any tonal differences with this game. In terms of content, I do observe that in her mafia performances she was inclined toward individualized player analysis, in the forms of large quote compilations, ISOs, or thorough reads lists, in a way that isn't quite as visible here. Her hunting activity is more reactive and less self-constructed.
Luna is definitely reactionary right now. It reminds me of my earlier mafia career where I would freak out once I realized that I was being eyed. But she seems to be flailing with no idea of an overarching goal. Vote bullz. Don't vote bullz. But vote bullz. But maybe Kara. But no bullz... it's dizzying.
This. Her 3 targets that she's focused on, Bullz, Kara, and me, have all been easy suspicions to come by, and mostly feel like her hopping onto easy suspects already mentioned by others. She criticized me for having too few/weak reads, and only providing "commentary" to the thread, while she herself has been guilty of all of that.

I always read willful hypocrisy as a scumtell. Other folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.

[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

I won't argue against a Luna lynch, I think she's dug a hole with her play, but I'm not convinced it's a scumtell just yet.

I am reading glor next.

Hmm... glor has a sort of theatrical way of posting that I can't read much into. I'm leaving glor and Jack for another day. But while I'm ISO ing purple with votes... soneji! Holy interesting case!

TH suspects soneji. Soneji suspects luna. Luna votes owner. So soneji uses this as an excuse to vote for...TH. who suspected soneji . So soneji pulled a clever no U.

Now today soneji is back on Luna, but with no apparent attempt to break down how the lynch result may have affected the case. If soneji felt strongly that Luna was protecting th with a vote on owner, where are the thoughts now that the lynch went how it did?

I think I may join jjj on a soneji vote. Yes, in fact I am.

[VOTE: soneji] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:05 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:11 pm I looked over Luna's posts in U-Pick and Mega Man (mafia in both). It's difficult to identify any tonal differences with this game. In terms of content, I do observe that in her mafia performances she was inclined toward individualized player analysis, in the forms of large quote compilations, ISOs, or thorough reads lists, in a way that isn't quite as visible here. Her hunting activity is more reactive and less self-constructed.
Luna is definitely reactionary right now. It reminds me of my earlier mafia career where I would freak out once I realized that I was being eyed. But she seems to be flailing with no idea of an overarching goal. Vote bullz. Don't vote bullz. But vote bullz. But maybe Kara. But no bullz... it's dizzying.
Check out Nutella and lmk what you think.

I just read through nutella... there is some jokey content but also a strong gameplay going on. And unlike soneji who didn't rehash their day 1 vote reasoning in light of the lynch results, nutella DID, and has remained consistent in her General thoughts. I won't be putting nutella on a list of baddies anytime soon.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:52 pm Lunalee, I am unclear why you are suspicious of karavalenge. If you've already explained in detail just direct me that way, or please do so now. It strikes me as a very easy selection (as does Bullzeye).
See my response to Timmer. I suspected Kara, but then found a post of theirs that made me want to back off. That's why I moved my vote to Bullzeye instead. As far as Bullzeye being an "easy" selection, that may be true. And if that's the case I don't want to join an opportunistic band wagon. I'll be around for the next hour or so and hope to have a confident vote by then.

But you've said previously that you think there is at least some thread/game evidence to support a bullzeye lunch, so if you believe in it, why be hesitant about your vote just because it may also appear opportunistic? I mean, if you think he's bad... why would you move your votr, potentially?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:35 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:12 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 9:50 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:15 pm @Lunalee I missed that you had voted INH so I guess he is one you think has been laying low, much like I thought.
I also suspect Kara, because he hasn't said much.
I'm just catching up...

Lunalee what about Kyle or lapluie?
Kylemii impressed me with his scum game last time we were all scum together. I got lynched early on, but Kylemii survived until the end with hardley any suspicions. He mostly laid low, hopped in and looked good when he needed to, and sat back and won the game. Because of this I do not feel confident in giving Kyle a town read.

As far as I can tell, Lapluie isn't playing. She posted "hello, checking in" and hasn't been back since to post or vote. I'd rather she get a replacement than us resort to lynching an inactive.

Who has suggested lynching lapluie? They have no votes?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:40 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:36 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:52 pm Lunalee, I am unclear why you are suspicious of karavalenge. If you've already explained in detail just direct me that way, or please do so now. It strikes me as a very easy selection (as does Bullzeye).
See my response to Timmer. I suspected Kara, but then found a post of theirs that made me want to back off. That's why I moved my vote to Bullzeye instead. As far as Bullzeye being an "easy" selection, that may be true. And if that's the case I don't want to join an opportunistic band wagon. I'll be around for the next hour or so and hope to have a confident vote by then.
But you've said previously that you think there is at least some thread/game evidence to support a bullzeye lunch, so if you believe in it, why be hesitant about your vote just because it may also appear opportunistic? I mean, if you think he's bad... why would you move your votr, potentially?
See, I'm hesitant because if Bullz is civ, and he just came in a voted Nova at EOD because he was absent, and there was no other reasons to it, then after Nova flipped scum, there's this nice opportunity to build a case against Bullz, and mafia might jump all over that.

Right, so I guess what I'm getting at is... which do you think it is? Is bullz a civ who came in late and lazy-voted and the baddies will attack it? Or do you think he was bad? You seem to want to vote him, but also not? I'm confused.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:47 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:46 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:44 pm the difference between this game and the last game as far as number of opinions from me goes is that in the previous game the few opinions I had were confident and also correct with little basis required up until maybe like day six.

I defended players I knew were civs and voted for my own teammates because I could, and because it was easy, and it made me seem trustworthy to basically everyone except long con. In this game I have few opinions because I've only read like 1/3 of the pages
Did Kylemii just scum-slip?
whaddya mean
He gives a comparison:
Last game (scum): confident opinions, defended players who were civ, voted for his teammates, acted trustworthy
This game (unknown): I have few opinions because I haven't been around.
Not: I have few opinions because I'm town.

So... Ugh... Luna, is that a serious case? Like, you legit think his word choice here is a scumslip? Or is this a desperate attempt at a case to take pressure off of you...

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:12 pm every time i go on this website I get a big red triangle icon in the upper left corner with an exclamation mark, is this website viruses now

Whoever owns the domain needs to get a security certificate thing to upgrade to https, and then that will go away.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:07 pm Jay, PLEASE tell me you are not going to call people by those names. Also, my real name is in that group of names and I would probably answer to it.

I always knew you were a Penelope, somehow...

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