The Syndicate

Consider this a check in and a hi!

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:52 pm How's everyone's day zero going?

Well, tonight a man came into the hospital who hadn't been taking care of himself and he had maggots falling out of a wound in his leg. I got the parts of the leg they cut off.

Other than that, I'm good.

Morning all, I'm in bed surrounded by cats. So far today is good.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:19 pm Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?

It's only 4 pages to read...

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:33 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:20 pm
Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:19 pm Can someone summarize noteable events from D0 in one hunch?
It's only 4 pages to read...
I expect more help from a "fellow civillian".

It's literally all the help I can offer, as I haven't read them.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:09 pm
Rej wrote:why you voting timmer now, you just pointed out he and me could be team mates

To comment on your post against me, Epig, you did see the part where I said I didn't read Day 0, right? And my post is the 2nd post of day 1, so... there was kind of literally exactly one post for me to comment on

I'd like to hear this as well.

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:32 pm
sounds reasonable, I like this thinking even if it risks mislynches

@Epignosis just wanted to be sure there is no convenience or sheeping in that vote. Some people might do so for chainreactions.

I don't mind the wagon on Timmer tho.

To be clear, you are still voting for me because I wasn't helpful enough in helping you understand the pages that you yourself had already read? Cool

Rej wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 8:32 pm
sounds reasonable, I like this thinking even if it risks mislynches

@Epignosis just wanted to be sure there is no convenience or sheeping in that vote. Some people might do so for chainreactions.

I don't mind the wagon on Timmer tho.

Also, since you know that you and I aren't teammates and that is the starting point for Epig's vote etc., you are saying that despite knowing that the reasons behind these other votes are incorrect, you are fine with letting a bad case ride, because, again, you don't like that I didn't help you understand the pages that you had already read?

So, by that rationale, if you are fine with letting a case that you and I both know is wrong ride, you would be ok with that same case turning onto you? Since that case is that we are teamies?

[VOTE: Vote: Rej] aubergine

Oh, I don't have to type the word vote, I see. Awkward.

And Epig, I'd like to hear a reply from you about my response to your "why did he comment on that?" case, please.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 10:36 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2019 9:55 pm And Epig, I'd like to hear a reply from you about my response to your "why did he comment on that?" case, please.
It's late and I'm having bourbon and watching Mike Trout.

Can you simplify your question please?

Me no read Day 0.
Day 1 start.
1 post made.
Me read that.
Me comment on that.

You.
Why he comment on that.

Now you go.
Where at now.

And I'm jealous of both the bourbon and watching Mike Trout. I'm stuck at work...

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jul 24, 2019 8:40 pm I think both Drag abd Sloonie are mafia and this back and forth is a conspiracy. Feels very manufactured.

So I decided to read up on this Dragomir guy since I don't know him and I like his style. I notice that he tangled with Sig, so I'll comment on this... Sig has taken pains to come up swinging with the "I always look bad" thing, and he is absolutely correct in his self-read, even I remember this. But then Sig goes and says things that just... seem shady, like the above. I'd love to hear how this feels like a conspiracy, I don't see it at ALL. And furthur... even though he is correct in his meta read, I'd actually that he seems... bad, lol.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:31 pm I don't know how to read Sloonei, but I'm pretty much following and/or agreeing with most of what he's saying. /shrugface

Sloonei knows their stuffs.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:16 pm 7-9

I'm actually town leaning on him more than I usually do (which isn't saying a lot lol). I think he's made stuff happen and also it looks like that is what he intended.

Epig knows how to make a game start and get convo going, there is absolutely nothing sus about his instigating talk tm about me or rej, and it's actually pulled some odd posts out of rej so yay benefits...

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:37 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:35 pmSloonei knows their stuffs.
Yeah. I know the stuff about Sloonei knowing their stuff. =p

Good stuff.

I... think maybe the next time that you ask the other players to tell you how you should feel about what you read, you should preface it with (Oh and anyone who doesn't answer in a way I approve of is bad and will get my vote because clearly not doing what I asked means you are bad)

Thank you, Sloonei.

The part that really confuses me about rej is that he doesn't even know me from a mafia standpoint. If epig or sloonei come at me, for instance, even if I disagree with whatever they might be saying, or I know they are wrong etc. I know that they would theoretically be working from a position of familiarity with my game. But rej is working from the 2nd post of day 1 which was me not helping him and he's just stood there on it, even after people called us teammates which he knows is wrong.

It's a very odd stance to take with a player whose style you don't know.

Question for Creature... when you called dyslexicon generic, was that from a very familiar pov, as in "i know his game and this generic style im seeing often means he's bad?" Or just a more generalized ""his posts are blendy"

I'm sorry man, I've explained myself pretty well, I think.

Could you offer some thoughts on other players in the game? Who are your other scumreads?

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:46 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:47 pm Rej, I went back over your case again and have re-printed it here below in the spoiler. I don't rule out changing my mind about you but I see a lot of things in your case about timmer that just don't make sense. Plus, I'm really stuck on the fact you voted timmer just because he told you to read the thread. It looked like an overreaction or as I said earlier, that ya'll are teammates. Please answer my questions after the spoiler about your case.

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Rej wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:12 pm @timmer
I am still convinced that you are bad, the way the wagon got turned on me is prove enough.

First of all: You were also one of those that didn't fully track D0, so in order for you to contribute you jumped on my bait question and threw shades on me for not reading up myself. But at that point you also weren't updated, so if you were a civ that didn't catch up in the thread, then you should follow the same interest as me.

What I see you being an extremly opportunistic player and that this doesn't follow a civillian mindset. First your jump on my bait, then you magically getting rid of my wagon is well played. But tbh only the baddies play like that.

I will tell you what will happen: I will get lynched this DP, while my vote stays on you. And after that it will be clear that our case is V/W case.
A V/W case where the wolf is totally opportunistic going against civillians.

I think I described it correctly, what do you think?
So here are some things I just don't get:

1. Why are you calling your question about someone summarizing Day 0 a "bait" question? Bait for what? It looked like a normal question from someone who was not caught up.

2. You said timmer threw shade at you but I didn't see his comment that it was just 4 pages you could read it as shade. You said "if you were a civ that didn't catch up in the thread, then you should follow the same interest as me." What does that mean, follow the same interest as you?

2. What do you mean when you say timmer "got rid of your wagon"? I don't remember there being a wagon on timmer. The paragraph did not make sense to me.

3. At the end you call timmer totally opportunistic. I don't get that - can you explain further? You voted for him first, not the other way around.
You are saying it for yourself, I was just asking a normal question. You are underlining this statement right? So this means a normal question deserves normal answers right? Normal answers that tend to help me get into and cooperate with people (civillians) right?
So again a civillian, especially one who hasn't cought up himself is telling me to read it myself. I still think it was timmer's convenient way in bringing his own DP forward to look like civillian. I tend to never townread people like him and it's often correct.

Especially when I am new in an enviroment it is good to have some quick summaries in order to get those people help the civs.

Timmer had a wagon of 3 votes on him, while I was offline the "wagon" got change on me. It was again opportunistic same as when he gave his convenient answer to my summary question. Would a civillian do that? I just had my eyes open and I am convinced I cought a bad guy. While timmer is playing opportunistic and turned everything against me.

So... here is how mafia works for me. You make a case against me. I defend against it. Everyone else reads both sides and judges for themselves. Their conclusions can range from "i think they are both civ" all the way to "i think they are both bad" and evening in between.

But you seem to think that my defending myself has been an opportunistic Mafioso move and that the players who have moved their votes off of me and/or onto you have all been bamboozled by me? What if... they simply don't agree with you? I mean, we are talking about some of the best mafia players I know, here, and while I maybe had a period of time where I was a good player, I've been largely retired and off my game for a long time. You really think that I've pulled a huge opportunistic play here and hoodwinked everyone, while meanwhile your case is uncrackable to anyone who will just read it?

Can I ask... where else have you played mafia, and for how long?

And rej, here is where i am trying to help you, but, as I've already asked you, what is your opinion on the other players? Who else do you suspect? I can tell you quite honestly, if you don't bother trying to study the rest of the game, I think you are toast.

So what else do you think?

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:45 pm Question for Creature... when you called dyslexicon generic, was that from a very familiar pov, as in "i know his game and this generic style im seeing often means he's bad?" Or just a more generalized ""his posts are blendy"

[mention]Creature[/mention]

Dom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:00 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:31 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:26 pmlol
Is this something scum!Rej would do? I've only seen them as town, and they claimed miller early and I trusted them pretty much the whole game.
No clue.

@timmer, don't love you downplaying your prowess. That doesn't have big civ energy.

Dude, I'm serious about it, the last three games or so I've played, which represents prob a year and a half, were mostly just me melting down and throwing hissy fits. I truly do believe I've been off my game for a few years now.

(See my epic flameout ragequit back in December in world asunder)

I need a new avatar, then because the last 6 months have transformed my life quite drastically...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 9:34 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:54 pm I need a new avatar, then because the last 6 months have transformed my life quite drastically...
I have lots of busy avatars available for lending.

Why are people voting Rej?

Mostly because he made a weaksauce case against me and has refused to budge on it or to examine any other part of the game.

So, throwing in the towel, which I assume rej has done with that vote... I gave him a few tries at an out, thinking that if he was civ hed snap out of it, but he never bit, so... I'm not moving my vote.

Plus, tomorrow I have a cuddle party to go to so I may or may not be able to check in tomorrow anyway.

I've tried to check up on a few players when I had the time. There really isn't much going on that I can point to as interesting. All of you who I know just seem like yourselves so far and the newer names didn't strike me as weird except for rej, obviously.

I'd actively like to hear from mr. Dragomir...

I wanted rej to open up a bit about the game, because we've all blindered ourselves as civs at least once, and I thought posts about others might give us a better picture.

Well here he says dragomir should be able to read his meta and know that this is a civ rej move... So, id like to hear about this from dragomir, who sure went quiet after it seemed like this Lynch was a done deal.

The flip side to this? Rej finding only something to say about someone who is voting him is s bit self serving and calculated, so I'm definitely not moving my vote at this time.

I'm leaving my vote where it is. Reasons in a moment.

This: "does it mean that this are mostly civillians jumping over to look and make right decisions or could it be baddies who approach to save someone?"

This: "On the other side I don't know if mafia profits from mislynching Dragomir, when Dragomir approaches me or other people agressively. "

This: "I heard nutella can perform far more impressive"

The first two statements have a real calculation behind them. I don't think a civ would care this much about trying to define the makeup of a Lynch train. It's day 1. Stuff happens and we vote. But why worry about how a mislynch would look? A civ shouldn't care how a Lynch would look to baddies at all, and a civ seems less likely to use the term mislynch here because a civ rej doesn't know what drag is.

The third statement makes me wonder about btsc.

So I'm staying put.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:16 pm Wait, is day ending in like 2 hours?

I believe so yes but I may have my DST wrong.

Im off to a cuddle party, I hope this ends well

So Sig was bad, lol.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Jul 28, 2019 4:50 pm @timmer, who's bad?

No idea. I never get good reads early in a game. Tonight I want to study the days vote patterns a bit.

Today was unexpectedly busy, I will have to tune in late in the day tomorrow

I'm here, doing a read back. Started with Luna as she has votes and seems crucial to judge.

So it seems like the crux of the case on her is that ok day 1 she basically said eww don't like this creature post and also supported rej a bit but then came in at the last minute and quietly voted rej which essentially lynched him?

If she had more posts on day 1 I would agree that this looks bad, but we are talking about a single mention of creature and a single mention of rej so I'm not sure I am on board.

So looking back at charter about sig, the two people who most supported him on day 1 were creature and sloonei. Creature fairly directly, and sloonei a bit more indirectly. I will concentrate on reading them.

I've placed a vote on creature as well, he was directly supportive of Sig in the thread. I'm reading sloonei next

Hmm so sloonei did sort of support sig a bit, but a lot of the chat with Sig then came down to deflecting sig's ideas about sloonei so id say this is more null.

I'm comfortable labelling creature as a strong possible teammate of sig's, and from that I can admit that there is at least a bit of a chance that Luna could be, as well. But I'd rather Lynch someone with supportive posts than someone in luna's position, personally

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:47 am
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 30, 2019 11:45 am he was directly supportive of Sig in the thread.
Yes, because scum will directly defend each other.

When there is a slight danger early on of Sig getting noticed and called out for his meta stuff, I believe a bit of easy early support in the thread would indeed happen. Nice and easy, just nip it quick.

Forgive me, all, my week is unexpectedly super busy, i see the quick logic on luna and voted there, I'll try to tune in tonight.

I'm here, I'm just busy. But I'm following the conversations pretty well, I'm just not posting a ton as it would just be a string of I'm not sures. Tomorrow my kids head back to their mom and I'll settle in for a read.

[mention]dragon d. Luffy[/mention], can you clarify this, in the roles?

"Once per night, she can use her expertise in violence to make her night kill a super-kill, allowing to bypass all defenses."

So, this person can superkill every night?

Ok I'm not touching this long con case, trying to judge hidden reasons that may or may not exist for saying that having a bad role die is good is just.... no. Maybe in a brand new player but not in a Long Con.

I'm about to lay down a bit of a juliets case.

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