The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:36 am It isn't a new decade. You start counting at one. You don't start counting at zero.

One (2011), two (2012), three (2013), four (2014), five (2015), six (2016), seven (2017), eight (2018), nine (2019), ten (2020).

Happy new decade in 2021.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:45 pm

Hi Timmer, who is scum and why is it Sig?

No idea, my man.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:12 pm [VOTE: Timmer] aubergine

Cause it feels right.

Wow, man.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:27 pm How are we doing so far?
I think we have a scum team locked. Sig, Timmer, Sloonmeister and then it’s between you and Epi.

Translation... we aren't doing very well.

A quarter lynch?

It would be very Voldemort...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:02 pm

I am trying to do something.

Convince people how to fucking count.

Most people just wanna know when to party, though...

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:04 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Wed Jan 01, 2020 10:37 pm A quarter lynch?
Celebrating one correct lynch after three incorrect lynches

Oh, so most games? Yeh.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:10 am I’d probably give a slight town read just because who would ask a teammate why they ordered words in a certain way?

I kind of feel like Wilgy would?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:19 am
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:17 amI kind of feel like Wilgy would?
Let's flip Wilgy and see. If Wilgy is scum, I must be either scum or town.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

This... IS true...

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:24 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:22 am I'd like to lynch MacDougall Day 1. Can we all do that?
Why do you want to lynch Mac before Quin instead of Quin before Mac?

Is that... you, Wilgy?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:11 am
What are you saying? LC's comment about not being able to read you right stood out to me. Maybe because I thought he didn't have a read on you yet anyway. Did anything I or Wilgy said stand out to you?

What do you think of the idea of a player using their past success rate at reading another player's meta to try to wrap their head around the perceived strength of their thoughts of that player in the current game?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:18 am
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:16 am What do you think of the idea of a player using their past success rate at reading another player's meta to try to wrap their head around the perceived strength of their thoughts of that player in the current game?
Sure, I do it all the time.

So what about long cons post stood out to you, then?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:39 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:35 amLooking at these last two votes, LC’s is stupid and Mac’s is weird stupid. Weird stupid isn’t the most scum, but it gives off the tinglies.

Is this all a weird stupid reason to be voting Mac, thus rendering me scum by my own logic?
Simple. I am not bound by logic.
And neither is Mac imo. I'm pretty sure Mac is well aware that his reason for voting is silly. Do you think the vote is AI? (alignment indicative, not Al, lol) Cause I don't get much from it personally.

Hmm, interesting tone shift... you voted me earlier, then specifically and I presumed half jokingly called out to Tony to provide you with a new vote target, but when Tony moved to Mac you've suddenly replied with a pretty firm def of Mac.

What is it? That is... tingly?

Agreed... bringing up voting inactives early is a classic ping but bringing up NOT voting inactives when literally no one was suggesting it is kind of odd... and this after Sig has had vey little time to chew on the game.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:38 pm I don't think Sig's mention of "let's not lynch inactives" was very weird. I just found it informative really, cause I didn't know we had replacements waiting. So that's good. Also, no inactives had been discussed as a lynch option or even voted, so in the case he actually is scum and teamed with one, I don't see why he would be particularly worried about that.

I more so wish he fleshed out his thoughts on who to actually lynch. He's said two things about not lynching people with votes and also not lynching inactives. But who then? Why not vote and lead by example?

That's why it's weird. He's come in and made this little clump of odd statements that don't seem very focused. Like, no one was talking about inactives at all.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:58 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:51 pmThat's why it's weird. He's come in and made this little clump of odd statements that don't seem very focused. Like, no one was talking about inactives at all.
Weird is one thing, but is it scummy?

This is why we're talking about it, lol. I always struggle to remember how some people play because I'm so infrequently here. Its also why I don't throw votes around.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:14 pm bimbo 0/5
Creature 1/5
Dom 4/5
Dragon D. Luffy 1/5
DrWilgy 1/5
Dyslexicon 5/5
Epignosis 4/5
Long Con 2/5
MacDougall 1/5
Quin 0/5
sig 3/5
Sloonei 3/5
Sorsha 0/5
timmer 2/5

So here’s a rating of players and roughly how much they’ve left an impression on me. I’d expect this to correlate to post count.

Sorted:

Dizzy - 69 (nice)
Epi - 21
Dom - 10
Sloonei - 41
Sig - 12
Timmer -18
LC - 18
Wilgy - 10
DDL - 7
Creature - 28
Mac - 3
Quin
Sorsha
Bimbo

The idea with this is I tend to get the idea that scum players get in less fights or leave less an impression. That’s not foolproof, but whenever I get a “meh” feeling about someone it’s usually because they’re posting but I don’t feel like I remember what they’re saying or they seem to have just a few set goals in mind.

Standouts: Creature is low but that’s semi-expected on meta. Dom is high, probably town look for him. Sig is probably high on recency bias. Everything else is mostly in line.

Result: slight town read on Dom, no other changes

I'd be curious to see how this works without day 0. I find some people are happy to chat when it doesn't count but then clam up

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:34 pm Who here has a strong read?

I usually don't get what I would call a strong read until about day 3. I was contemplating a dys vote but I'm feeling like this level of moving votes around and changing focus is their norm?

Sig is Sig, which means I'm vaguely feeling like he's bad. The last game I played I had the same feeling and he was indeed bad, so I'm chewing on that...

I've thrown a vote on long con. Mostly to get him to give some opinions, I read his posts in the game so far and they're pretty empty of content.

Sloon, much of your post just mirrors what happens to me every time I play now, which is rarely. I post complete honesty about my thoughts and how my perma-damaged memory works, people find my working odd, I get lynched, I'm town. Rinse, repeat.

I've had multiple concussions in my life, one bad enough to hospitalize me. I had posted back in the start of my mafia career about it on the piano and made the Pont that I would never hide behind it as a baddie, and I never have.

My posts aren't contradictions at all, they are a reflection of my reality. I can remember some players' tone and posting style perfectly... others I can kind of remember but im unsure if I trust that memory... and others I can't remember damn thing, it's like they don't exist before this game even though ive played with them before.

But it's ok, I get it, and it's why I don't get ruffled as a civ much, I understand this very well because it happens over and over. I get ruffled as a baddie though, because when I'm bad I try to find a sort of persona and run with it and if things go haywire I get pissed off because it's a lot of work to keep focused on a persona.

Take that as you will.

And I realize all of a sudden that I'm unsure if my daylight savings settings are correct as I haven't played in a bit, am I correct that as of this post there is about an hour and 20 minutes ish to go?

To show how my thoughts on Sig carry some history, here's my post from the last game I played about him:

"Sig has taken pains to come up swinging with the "I always look bad" thing, and he is absolutely correct in his self-read, even I remember this. But then Sig goes and says things that just... seem shady, like the above. I'd love to hear how this feels like a conspiracy, I don't see it at ALL. And furthur... even though he is correct in his meta read, I'd actually that he seems... bad, lol."

He was indeed bad. So I get prickly about him, and when he seems bad, I notice.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:50 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:46 pm Sloon, much of your post just mirrors what happens to me every time I play now, which is rarely. I post complete honesty about my thoughts and how my perma-damaged memory works, people find my working odd, I get lynched, I'm town. Rinse, repeat.

I've had multiple concussions in my life, one bad enough to hospitalize me. I had posted back in the start of my mafia career about it on the piano and made the Pont that I would never hide behind it as a baddie, and I never have.

My posts aren't contradictions at all, they are a reflection of my reality. I can remember some players' tone and posting style perfectly... others I can kind of remember but im unsure if I trust that memory... and others I can't remember damn thing, it's like they don't exist before this game even though ive played with them before.

But it's ok, I get it, and it's why I don't get ruffled as a civ much, I understand this very well because it happens over and over. I get ruffled as a baddie though, because when I'm bad I try to find a sort of persona and run with it and if things go haywire I get pissed off because it's a lot of work to keep focused on a persona.

Take that as you will.
timmer, what's your read on Sloonei right now?

Sloonei seems like sloonei to me right now. Unafraid to try to put together at least SOME kind of case on Day 1 even if it does mean trying to string a lot of things together that are wobbly. It's better than most people's (including myself) tendency to just shrug at day 1.

I won't vote sloonei today unless it's to save my own life.

Long con is here and has promised some thoughts.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:16 pm There is something to be said about timmer in that most of his post have been directed towards Wilgy and sig's weirdness, both of whom are notorious for being WeIrD. It's not his fault for having memory problems, obviously, but I can't know for sure how easily one can forget their typical Syndicate behaviour.

That's just it, sig and wilgy are people I DO remember as being weird in these ways, that's why I can talk about them. "Wilgy would do that", etc.

As for this vote, long con didn't deliver so I'm good with leaving my vote on him, but I'd be game for a creature vote as well as there is nothing there I can point to to speak up about.

Dom... this doesn't seem like a strong Dom game yet but im not sure what a bad Dom game is, this early.

I have zesty read on ddl, wilgy has seemed a bit twitchy but he had also been talked about and that can cause that reaction... I won't let the lynch tie, if I have to do I'd pick wilgy to move my vote to rather than ddl as it would at least allow something to study.

Zero, not zesty

Actually I wil move off of long con because the other voters are on him from way back and they are dead votes based on little game posting, it feels weird to lynch him on that. I'll move to wilgy.

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine

Oh, lol. I'll stay put, then, thank you.

[VOTE: remains long con] aubergine

I count 5 votes in the poll that feel like they are based on a read of the entire day 1. The rest are dead eight from earlier.

The only other option I would consider this close is wilgy because a wilgy lynch would give us reads as he had been talked about by a few people and he has taken a stance here and there.

I can do creature.

Christ that was 3 seconds from deadline.

Long con was a crapshoot too, I'm ok with this

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:15 pm you know G-Man probably had a customised lynch post ready and we just ruined his day

Actually that's a good point, that will be hard to follow for people later, for clarity I ended with a [VOTE: creature] aubergine.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:31 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:21 pm Actually that's a good point, that will be hard to follow for people later, for clarity I ended with a [VOTE: creature] aubergine.
This was after poll ended correct?

My vote was before the poll, by like 3 seconds. I'm posting that to be able to find it easier for when people do reads

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.

Being unhappy with the only people who were around trying to make something happen is just not a good look.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:36 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:34 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.
Being unhappy with the only people who were around trying to make something happen is just not a good look.
No you are bad. Don't be in sync with me!

Sorry Wilgy, you are just wrong about me. But what are you, to me? Not sure yet.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:34 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:30 pm I'm not happy with you people, not happy.
This is some shade.

If whoever is it flips town, this may be some pre-emptive attempt to take town cred by shaming others.
Or maybe I just like shaming people. Also hey your name was up there to this could've just as easily been a Wilgy lynch.

Timmer, being around is a meaningless note here. Scum could've been around and led the switch, which is what I think happened. I don't see what that has to do with it tbh.

So you... know creature's alignment already, prelynch? How about we wait to see how this goes before you declare it bad, hmm?

If creature flips town, who do you think was being saved, Sig?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:41 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:38 pm Sloonie and LC are mafia i'm like 20% sure of it.
Not I'm, not. WTF makes you 1/5 of sure of it? I've barely been here.
Sloonie did shenanigans, which I'm currently interpreting as an attempt to save you. Now normally I'd ire on the side of caution here and say mafia wouldn't be so obvious, but this feels pretty good.

I'll summarize my thoughts after the lynch post, just in case i'm wrong.

I actually see your point. 4 voters present, 4 votes moved. If we aren't all town, then creature has a good chance of being town because a baddie wouldn't have moved there but would have tried something else.

The one thing that counters it is how close to deadline it actually was. When I voted and my screen reloaded it said that we had reached deadline but my vote went through, so its possible that a baddie moved to a teammate to cause a tie, since a no lynch is the best result right now for baddies.

Your... scumteam?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:53 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:51 pm Your... scumteam?
My guess at EoD was a Creature/Sloonei/LC team.

Oh! Lol I read your post like "I was talking to my scumtram and if they are correct in btsc..."

I was like... does no one else see this?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:04 pm ScumTram™

Because even the mafia needs reliable public transport!

Ah damn, that could have been better, great writeup though!

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