The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:24 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:23 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:20 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:18 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:16 pm "Scrooge and Louie are town aligned and only win if town wins AND they possess the Lucky Coin."

what is the point of mac being scrooge or louie and voting off town if he says he has coin

Because if he DOESNT have the coin, he'd claim he had it anyways so we believe his reads (which will be aimed at protecting mafia for 1 more night)

Who did the mafia shoot last night?

The 3p

if mac is mafia then he didnt shoot 3p last night

What on earth are you talking about

Who's mafia

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:23 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:20 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:18 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:16 pm "Scrooge and Louie are town aligned and only win if town wins AND they possess the Lucky Coin."

what is the point of mac being scrooge or louie and voting off town if he says he has coin

Because if he DOESNT have the coin, he'd claim he had it anyways so we believe his reads (which will be aimed at protecting mafia for 1 more night)

Who did the mafia shoot last night?

The 3p

if mac is mafia then he didnt shoot 3p last night

this is what I'm on about. the logic arc is trying to use against mac doesn't make much sense. even if it's technically 1% possible to happen I think it's the wrong place to tunnel unless youre a panicked mafia right now

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:13 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:09 pm oh last post in quotes is just reasoning as to why ddl moved votes it seems?

Is Arc still the likeliest scum to you right now?

yeah maybe. I had a gut feeling about them earlier in game but if they are mafia they've been playing well and subduing my suspicions. but I listen to listen to my tummy reads

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:20 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:18 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:16 pm "Scrooge and Louie are town aligned and only win if town wins AND they possess the Lucky Coin."

what is the point of mac being scrooge or louie and voting off town if he says he has coin

Because if he DOESNT have the coin, he'd claim he had it anyways so we believe his reads (which will be aimed at protecting mafia for 1 more night)

Who did the mafia shoot last night?

The 3p

if mac is mafia then he didnt shoot 3p last night

okay i'ma type this thought process out for my sake

mac is town aligned 3p. doesn't have coin, but got shot. has to out since maf knows he is 3p now regardless. can get shot again tonight to die and not win. doesnt win today without coin, plays to get a town voted off so that he can get mafia out later when mac has coin to get wincon. lies about having coin.
mac is town aligned 3p. does have coin, and got shot. has to out since maf knows he is 3p now regardless. can get shot again tonight to die and not win. wins today with coin, plays to get mafia voted off so that he can wincon.
mac is mafia. lied about getting shot, but didn't shoot the 3p with a vest b/c otherwise they would have claimed they were shot and cc'd mac's claim. is trying to get arcbell off just cuz he's the unlucky townie.

I think third one makes the least amount of sense, arc

"Scrooge and Louie are town aligned and only win if town wins AND they possess the Lucky Coin."

what is the point of mac being scrooge or louie and voting off town if he says he has coin

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:14 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:13 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:11 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:09 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:07 pm This is probably a bad idea

So don't do it. Mac literally has less than half chance of having the coin, unless you think him claiming he has it means something.

He's probably dead if we don't hit mafia today, so why would he lie. I don't think this is relevant

This
For mafia to pop his vest and then not kill him, it would be a very dubious play. And I think if Mac didn't have coin he recognizes he's just lost, doesn't care, and hardly posts.

Bcuz mac can try to lead the vote on a town rather than a wolf if we believe he has coin

but what's the point of mac doing that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:03 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:00 pm If it isn’t Miz, the game becomes “I townread everybody” which is peak mafia fwiw.

Miz just doesn't vibe as the wolf to me.

I can't really shake Arcbell being it.

DDL did too much pro town and anti mafia stuff. Not just around Falcon but he also shielded me a fair bit.

I may be town, so obviously you want to yeet me today, but you're gonna need me in the coming days to... idk... keep order and stuff. Keep townreads alive. Better to pick a different townie to vote.

Like rly guy

agree with mac that arcbell insisting mac's sus on them is mac being wolf pushing a townie is extremely unlikely

oh last post in quotes is just reasoning as to why ddl moved votes it seems?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:16 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:10 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:02 pm light reads are LC town because of unecessary effort and falcon mafia because of the dumb dizzy case, but I'm not confident on either of those

Some praise & shade, then finished off with some uncertainty.




Hmmmmm

There are two types of people: the ones who know they can't be certain about mafia reads, especially on day 1, and the ones who are not as great at the game as they think they are.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:04 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:55 am What do other's say about me that makes sense? This post is just lazy, and your reads consist of "I don't know, I can't remember why, I beleive what others say"

Dude.

I am lazy.

This is as game and I don't want to present a freaking thesis every time I say something. Especially since I already said my own points twice. I can go and copypaste all the stuff they said about you, but feels like a waste of time.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 11:07 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:57 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:53 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:51 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 13, 2022 10:50 am falcon is bad because his interacting with LC and Mac was forced and uh... what other people say about him makes sense to me.

Others... I don't know. Mizery feels like they havent done anything all game even though they posted. I don't like your pursuing of 3P winnning conditions. I disliked Arcbell yesterday but I need to reread to remember why. Everyone else is townie or neutral.

I am wolf right?

You are 3P, which makes you 1/3 chance of being wolf, and 2/3 chance of being town with a second condition that could collide with town's survival near endgame.

If that is so why did you get off me? Shouldnt you stay on me? Wouldnt that mean as a wolf you are trying to save your potential companion? After a half hearted push at me being 3P then back to falcon for easy wagon late in the day?

What does voting for you alone accomplish?

If more people decide to vote for you, I may go back, but if nobody does, so I'm making a stance about the only wagon that seems to have a chance of resulting in a kill now.

all 3 of these together don't seem w/w to me but I don't think i'm good at deciphering theater. what do you guys think

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:55 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:54 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:52 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:48 pm Nah I'm LHF right now and I think the 2 ppl willing to take advantage of it by only citing my idiocy yesterday and ignoring everything else I have said or done, contains the wolf. Misery or jack

@Porscha why are you still voting me when I'm nowhere in your foses?

hadn't decided if I wanted to move yet or not

Hadn't: Return of the Past Tense

truly had not decided ;(

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:52 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:48 pm Nah I'm LHF right now and I think the 2 ppl willing to take advantage of it by only citing my idiocy yesterday and ignoring everything else I have said or done, contains the wolf. Misery or jack

@Porscha why are you still voting me when I'm nowhere in your foses?

hadn't decided if I wanted to move yet or not

Which is why I believe NAA was random hit. Worth looking through NAA iso in case something was missed

Jack doesnt know me + NAA and I had little to no interaction. I dont think Jack has a serious reason to believe i would kill NAA he just doesnt know any anyone else would either

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:57 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:48 pm Nah I'm LHF right now and I think the 2 ppl willing to take advantage of it by only citing my idiocy yesterday and ignoring everything else I have said or done, contains the wolf. Misery or jack

as someone who often posts nothing with things in it, i have to ask what you've done

I'm not gonna sit here and quote my ISO to you

You know Jack you're right I should ISO you I'll get in my comp

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:51 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:48 pm Nah I'm LHF right now and I think the 2 ppl willing to take advantage of it by only citing my idiocy yesterday and ignoring everything else I have said or done, contains the wolf. Misery or jack

Lucky you. If you’re town, you get to figure it out.

And since you arent you dont need to participate?

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:50 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:25 pm Misery I dont hate your push on me but I'm not a big fan of how it seems only now you have decided to make this argument when your disbelief stems from posts that I dont remember you responding to. If you didnt believe my derp when you read it then why did you hold that opinion until now? Why are you still insisting that 1 post of mine from day 1 about pocketing is more telling of my slot than anything else I've done the rest of the game? Feels like you feel pressure and are trying to finally make a hard read on someone to get looked past by lag or something.

Like jack is straight up AFK and we cant get a grasp on the game? Might be because the wolf isnt here. I am raising an eyebrow that you are now scum reading my slot instead of what's probably the reason we arent confident on who is wolf

I think you misunderstand Lag's points against me because it's not about a hard push

Hard pushes are more in my scum meta

anyways you can look and see me pushing you throughout, it's not something that randomly started up out of nowhere

You brought me up when you voiced your opinion on my day 1 comment and maybe one other time passively but that's it. You're relying on same day 1 comment and now decided my derp was not genuine and ignoring rest of the game

Not sure you've pushed anyone harder than me right now (except HK? Which isnt allowed to matter since he was 3p) the entire game because your ISO is pretty lackluster so that's why I called it a "hard push". Its a hard push for you this game, I dont know you in general

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:47 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:46 pm Yeah I bet it is jack lol

Can’t yeet me because I also derpclearedyself by not knowing the wolves weren’t together D2.

Look jack you dont know me and I'm thrilled that you think I'm not an idiot, but I assure you that when I play 3 games and skip 6 pages explaining why I'm being voted, I will sound dumb defending myself

Nah I'm LHF right now and I think the 2 ppl willing to take advantage of it by only citing my idiocy yesterday and ignoring everything else I have said or done, contains the wolf. Misery or jack

There was a normal 2 mafia team the 3p acted as a godfather and when I'm playing 3 games at once I just forgot HK flipped 3p

Yeah I bet it is jack lol

Like in what universe do I derp clear and then shortly after, misery makes the post that she will sheep TR me + maybe mac is maf who hit 3p. I ask her to say why she TR me, dont think I got an answer, mac then gets confused on why I pressed her on how mac could be maf who shot 3p since mac is claiming 3p and real 3p could easily CC. No answers

And now I'm suspect #1? Ok lol

Misery I dont hate your push on me but I'm not a big fan of how it seems only now you have decided to make this argument when your disbelief stems from posts that I dont remember you responding to. If you didnt believe my derp when you read it then why did you hold that opinion until now? Why are you still insisting that 1 post of mine from day 1 about pocketing is more telling of my slot than anything else I've done the rest of the game? Feels like you feel pressure and are trying to finally make a hard read on someone to get looked past by lag or something.

Like jack is straight up AFK and we cant get a grasp on the game? Might be because the wolf isnt here. I am raising an eyebrow that you are now scum reading my slot instead of what's probably the reason we arent confident on who is wolf

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:30 am

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:22 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:16 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:14 pm Lag/Arc giving the vibes that it's in there for how supportive they've been of eachother and i dislike that read

are you sure this isn't just a solution to the problem of how to omgus 2 people at the same time?

no, lol

but I'm willing to sheep a TR on porscha rn. The wolf obviously feels comfortable if they're going after the 3p. Either that or the wolf is mac and they accidentally hit the 3p, but lol I'm not going down that rabbit hole until i have to which should hopefully be never lol

Mh.
This is the type of read that only I make and only I agree with. Buuut, I kind of think this makes Mizery not mafia. Cause if Mizery is mafia, I don't think she does feel comfortable. And it's rare for mafia to post boastful things when the game is ongoing. It would be kind of like saying "Well, I'm comfortable and not worried that you noobs would get me, so I shot Mac lol". I mean, it's not that, but that's kind of the mind frame behind it. And that is rare for mafia. MAYBE. Probably.

This is too bad, cause I was starting to think it might be her.

Would it make sense that misery who didnt realize there was 3p day 1 and said she should read set up would also miss that 3p mac would have a vest?

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:24 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:21 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:15 pm I have a burgeoning suspicion that the NAA kill was randed

I never have and probably will never rand a NK in my entire mafia career. And I've played some hundred games.

I don't know why you would rand a kill here or ever tbh.

I mean, I'm usually not that big on NK analysis. Because the answer is just unknown. This kill does stand out a lot though. I know I would never make it, regardless of whether people believe this or not.

Absence due to irl stuff is probably the only acceptable reason to rand a NK

100% what I think happened which points to jack more than anyone else

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 1:47 pm Watch Jack being the mafia who forgot to send in a kill N3

Mindmeld

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:07 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 4:42 pm In fact scam implies that you felt pressure from me asking you, which doesn't make sense considering my status in thread right now (which i kinda think is non-existant?) Which implies that you're a wolf.

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:26 pm LC is town because he's not townreading me- because he didn't put any sort of read on me. We've played a number of games as v/v and then recently a game as v/w ( i was the wolf) and I think if he is a wolf here he still townreads me as a pocket. not townreading me seems liek he's more scared of being wrong.

On the other hand. he hasn't even said a single thing about me. Which /is/ suspicious in that case. so. yeah. town idk ya know.

also @Lag

add to this i think porsche scumslipped by saying "I can't wait for the wacky pocketing"

It isn't scum slipping to joke about how potential pockets might form and flip. I was sincerely looking forward to something fun

eod is 4pm pst for me I think so I should be around unless something comes up

I put another vote on arc

I am willing to go back to an arcbell SR perhaps. they have been in the back of my head since I didn't really like them earlier. I try to read their posts for scum tell recently. I haven't been very successful so I'm not sure what to do about it

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:22 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 9:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:51 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:42 pm Porscha deserves a look too I think. I sense a bit of thread detachment.

I see we are in the Arcbell "look for possible mischops" phase of the thread.

Maybe we can shed the Dizzy wolf 3P possibility because it's more likely Screen or Arcbell wowee

Possible wolves: NAA, Porsche, Lag, Miz (probably not Miz)
Possible 3P: Arcbell, Screen, Dizzy (probably not Dizzy)

Interesting mechanic.

Why not mix

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:48 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:23 am

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 10:22 am Wait wait one of the 3p is a lost wolf??

Essentially.

I'm so lost maybe I should read the setup next time

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:18 am If Rondo or jack are wolves I'm spewed town by my nonchalance ggs

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:22 am

Lag wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:21 am

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:19 am Whenever lag wolfreads me I want to wolfread them back

Why do you think people have cleared you? You seem more in your wolf meta than town meta

Jack townreading me is bad though like ??

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:40 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:39 am

Arcbell wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:36 am I'm only not voting Axe because I don't think people will wagon there and I like don't have an actual case to argue there. I'd preserve Dizzy, Rondo or myself by voting there given the opportunity but I just don't think it's happening.

Their posts are mostly filler. They have like 3 posts with reasoning of any sort and one of them is just attacking a random list of players. I really don't understand this invisible barrier stopping us from voting Axehole

I don't either.

What's stopping us from voting off Lag?

Manners

What's stopping us from voting of mizery?

Mizery wrote: ↑Sun Apr 17, 2022 5:50 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:07 am I isoed Lag and I feel absolutely nothing from his iso, btw.

e m p t y

mizery these are most of your posts in relation to jack. what do you think about jack right now

maybe I'll join some FM back on sc2 mafia site. i've been inactive on there for a long time

yes lag, we should

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:39 pm Porscha I'm the 3p and I have the coin lol.

I believe you are 3p and I was questioning mizery's thought on the matter since it didnt make sense to me

Lag wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:38 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:33 pm oooooooh no I'm really just this dumb and derp clear myself in like 50% of the games I play in FM

I haven't played a lot of the mafia 2.0 map but god I used to play so much of sc2 mafia. surely you remember goatse? he tried getting me into FM years ago and I never did it. but then gavial approached me and I was like hell, i'll give it a try. now here I am 5 months later, still bad at FM

I played the map a ton in the 2012-2015 era, then got busy with university. Graduated and had free time during the lock-down and felt nostalgic for the game and got back into it in just over a year ago!

The fact that you've played the game a lot does explain why you seem to have uncanny strong play at times despite being newer, and derp-clearing other times. A lot of the skills are transferrable

yeah I just get pretty lost in the sauce with the ever-changing setups in FM and lot of the jargon. I get the general concepts tho

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:19 pm I want to take mizery, porscha and luffy off the table today. Sorry if wrong.

like as if you TR us so don't need to think about or want to K I L L?

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:22 pm

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:16 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:14 pm Lag/Arc giving the vibes that it's in there for how supportive they've been of eachother and i dislike that read

are you sure this isn't just a solution to the problem of how to omgus 2 people at the same time?

no, lol

but I'm willing to sheep a TR on porscha rn. The wolf obviously feels comfortable if they're going after the 3p. Either that or the wolf is mac and they accidentally hit the 3p, but lol I'm not going down that rabbit hole until i have to which should hopefully be never lol

1. if mac was wolf and hit 3p why wouldn't the 3p just cc him?
2. how does the words after saying you wanna sheep me mean anything in regards to why you would TR me?

remember my last list of town to scum, you were on the bottom. I did not read the 6 pages I missed that made me look like an idiot. did you change your opinion of me during those?

@MacDougall right so then why would mizery say the wolf is you and that you accidentally hit the 3p

oooooooh no I'm really just this dumb and derp clear myself in like 50% of the games I play in FM

I haven't played a lot of the mafia 2.0 map but god I used to play so much of sc2 mafia. surely you remember goatse? he tried getting me into FM years ago and I never did it. but then gavial approached me and I was like hell, i'll give it a try. now here I am 5 months later, still bad at FM

yes 99% of my mafia experience comes from sc2 mafia. I always use in game name Agent Lana Kane. maybe we played before haha

lag I do love this attention but are you doing this to assess my possibility of being wolf in this situation or because I really do sound that stupid

b/c lucky is gavial and we've played on colusseum and here before... ahem... he stopped being allowed to exist here lmao

I pretty much live in constant brain fog so constant jargon and acronyms just miss me sometimes

Lag wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:06 pm https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/prehis ... s/1550/521

You seem to have remembered the term just fine here?

no I just used it cuz someone else used that word as a description. if it made sense i just got lucky

Arcbell wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:05 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 10:04 pm no but really wtf is illithids lmao

Anyone could be an illithid really

I am screaming into the void and pulling my hair out

no but really wtf is illithids lmao

and here I thought it was mist in LA! what a mix up

sorry if I learn an acronym once and then dont' play a mafia game for a month and it doesnt get used I just forget. I have some short term memory issues so I need to repeatedly use / see something to remember what it is later

Lag wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:59 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:58 pm I played game of champions here as my 3rd ever mafia game and I think I had like upwards to 10 posts just asking what jargon meant and i think I got responded to twice, so

You asked what LAMIST meant, someone immediately responded to you, and then you used LAMIST in a sentence immediately after.

wish I could like posts on this site

okay well I found crichards explanation of lamist and omgus to me so that's good now I know

Lag wrote: ↑Tue Apr 19, 2022 9:58 pmThat you?

yeah that's me I dont' remember what LAMSIT means I guess

I played game of champions here as my 3rd ever mafia game and I think I had like upwards to 10 posts just asking what jargon meant and i think I got responded to twice, so

I dont know what LAMIST means either

a lot of times when I ask what something means, I get ignored, so I try to just figure it out from context instead of getting ignored repeatedly but I still haven't figured out NAI / AI

oh no I see it all the time. I usually just read it and shrug