The Syndicate

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 6:39 pm Oh yeah, Porscha, I owe you my life it seems. Cheers.

I will screech like a loud eggplant if ender flips t

yeah I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything cuz that's all it seems happened

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:44 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 01, 2022 5:42 pm well couldn't have ender just said he faked the cop claim to survive the eod vote and his green check read was on someone who he thought was town and had a better chance in thread?
It would probably look worse due to the fact that he made us vote out a town in order to save himself despite not being a cop.

It's entirely anti-town if he was fake claiming cop as a VT to get a town voted off at EOD.

okay if a real cop didn't know that falcon was town and then claimed for real that they are cop and green checked NAA. what's the difference between a lying mafia when we had no clear on falcon regardless. like it only turned out bad b/c falcon flipped town? couldn't that happen to a real cop who was avoiding lynch?

well couldn't have ender just said he faked the cop claim to survive the eod vote and his green check read was on someone who he thought was town and had a better chance in thread?

like even if wolves really thought mac was the cop, once he flipped on NK, ender could have just said he made the cop claim to live eod vote and tried something else. not sure why he kept up with the cop claim knowing he'd get cc'd...??

well I think ender maybe gave up on his claim or something. I feel like if ender had just ... not pulled out the red check comment and lied about using it to save himself at eod then he could have maybe slanked or put pressure on people without faking mech that could be disproven

I am the towniest eggplant to ever exist

technically the only ones after ender flips who are confirmed town are NAA, MR, and Fingers. me, you, and seanzie are not mech cleared

I think I might have an idea of what LC is thinking...

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 9:36 pm Now all Porscha needs to do is ask if mafia has a day chat, and that completes the trinity of townslips.

lol ... t.t

Can someone explain to me the venge kill. I dont see it listed in the set up

I have now voted ender btw

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 5:34 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 5:25 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am Guize.... Guize... I think I solved the game, and we're way off base.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
didn't age very well

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:52 pm My 2/2 guess is Master Radishes and FingerSplints at this current point.

FingerSplints as I said is typically busy and doesn't have much time to be in the game, so she could easily miss the claim at EOD and killed based on reputation/who is good.

Master Radishes also wasn't here at EOD, and could be killing the guy who was scumreading and voting him throughout the second half of the day.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:58 pm Ok, I'm the cop.

I have a green check on Master Radishes from N1 and a green check on Fingersplints from N2.
@Porscha

hahahhaa it be like that sometimes. I was scum reading MR for a while too

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:07 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:44 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:40 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine
See now I have an issue cuz like you've been right about me being mafia so many times and here you're sussing me when I'm town so like... what do I do with that? I think I wanna maybe town read you for it because I feel like if you were mafia you would want to project your correct godread and pocket me rather than tilt me and encourage me to omgus. So yeah I'm gonna town read you for this garbage. Happy days for you.
Have you not figured out that I just scumread you every game regardless of what is going on, and just by the luck of the rand we've only ended up t/t for 1 day of 1 game through all of the games we've played together?

Anyways, I am less confident on you, Fingers is super wolfy on how she was approaching Porscha re:Falcon. I think Fingers REALLY wants a falcon elim, and reading Finger's ISO your name pops up in many awkward ways.
Lol no I like to give people credit and make them feel good about themselves not invalidate their wins with hubris. I know it doesn't seem like that sometimes but I am all about the positive self appraisal lol.

You can have that read. I think Fingersplints has been quite pure. I am quite tunneled on MR and Ender being wolfy. I would probably need Fingersplints to accidentally slip their role card in the thread for me to be moved in that direction right now. Not ruling it out, but like ... I guess you could try to articulate your argument a bit more cuz I'm not going to go back and read all of it and try to confirmation bias myself into agreeing with you. I don't think anyone does lol. So if you actually want to persuade me or anyone probs do better I guess.
What makes Fingersplints pure? Is it tone or is it something game-related? Because from what I can tell all she's really done is talk about Falcon, and then give a few other throwaway takes. Now, sure the approach of just talking about a single slot in the game isn't the best for wolves, but idk how Fingersplints wolf game is in general, and tunneling someone is a good way for decent-but-not-top-tier wolves to generate content without having to digest the whole game.

I don't have time to go through a detailed case because I need to get in the shower or I'mma be late for a meeting, but looking through Finger's ISO, D1 all she did was give a light townlean and soft defense of Falcon. Then on D2, Falcon said her slot was null (which 3 posts deep, yes her slot was null), and Fingers flipped on Falcon because of this, and then immediately was encouraging a Falcon elim and aside from some shade thrown at LC and some soft defense of you and Ender, Fingers has really just pushed Falcon without furthering that read. Then Porscha comes in, suggesting that maybe we look at some of the wagons that haven't gotten a lot of heat, and then Fingers starts accusing Porscha of being teamed with Falcon, which sure, surface level that would make sense, but I think falls apart pretty quickly upon inspection. It feels like Figners choose a target at D2 (Falcon) when it felt like the wind was blowing in that direction, and has locked on and they aren't really considering alternatives, but they aren't like hardpushing the idea the way I'd expect from a tunnelled town.

And like posts like this:

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:50 am I don’t get your stance at all. More than just falcon has been talked about. More than just falcon has been voted for in the past. The thread has been in this state the entire game. It’s a small game.
Just make it feel like Fingers is kinda aware that all they've done is push Falcon, and is trying to be like "There is nothing to see here, this is normal. Falcon isn't clearly the day's designated miselim. There is no war in Ba Sing Se".

I dont hate this post though tbh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am Guize.... Guize... I think I solved the game, and we're way off base.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

didn't age very well

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:26 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:15 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:12 pm Seanzie, I will vote you out if all you do this game is make a joke at daystart and fuck off.

And I won't even feel bad if you're town.
Seems kinda hostile. I missed one day, one instance does not make a pattern.
Is a pattern necessary for you to be Maf? I don't think so.

You did have a nice pun to start this RD, but I need more than awesome jokes from you plz
The point was that while I did miss most of D1, I literally made an effort to actually show up at D2 and give a crap just to get accosted right out the gate.

w/w interaction?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:36 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:00 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 8:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Mar 27, 2022 6:38 pm I think that Fingersplints, LC and Porscha are all pretty much just town here. Porscha a tier below the other two. Seanzie I think is likely to be town too.
Why do you think I'm town? I've done fuckall thus far.
ender voted you lol
Eh, kind of a weak reason but okay.

Mac pointed out ender voted seanzie day 1

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:18 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:58 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 12:32 pm honestly i'm pretty convinced DADV happened day 1 votes so here is who had no votes. at least 1 maf has to be in no votes IF NOT BOTH HAD NO VOTES

Ender
Finger
LC
Mac
Porscha
NAA
Nanook (not applicable)

(and obviously not me hehe) so between NAA, Mac, LC, Finger, Ender. what's the thoughts? Mac started day by pushing Ender. Falcon getting a lot of attention all game, not sure if someone day 1 kept him from becoming wagon if he was actually wolf up with votes

NAA cracking the whip with his pushy and stand offish posts / pushes idk what to do with it

Mac might be just giving me brain worms and tricking me

LC is *big chilling* from what I can tell and this makes me quite suspicious of them despite my day 1 town read. LC also voted with NAA on Falcon so I don't see any of those 3 paired cuz I think there is 1 mafia between the 3

Just waiting on Finger to get into the game to be able to assess the vibes

also don't know what to think of Ender. think they were high poster day 1. dont know if this was talkative maf who is shmearing the confusion cream cheese on the toast or just a townie trying to cast a wide net to figure something out. idk
as voting stands right now, there are no votes on:

Ender
Finger
LC
Mac
NAA
myself

*LITERALLY THE SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE* and I think we should consider wagoning someone from this list to start putting pressure where it's missing imo
I don't necessarily agree with this post as I like where my vote is at, but I think this is a good look for Porscha. Unless if it is exactly Porscha/Falcon, this is completely unnecessary from wolf!Porscha, and if it is exactly Porscha/Falcon, Porscha is powerwolfing here, and if Falcon goes over, I think it will just expose the whole team. So, probably just not wolf!Porscha.

trash response. of course you liked where your vote was. whole point was to challenge that b/c maybe your vote needed to be somewhere else. nice fake explanation of "if its exactly falcon porshca wolves then I can't come up with a valid reason that wolf porscha would do this. so *probably* just town porscha. idk this post seemed somewhat performative or forced to somewhat discredit my push to get off falcon while also leaving it open to me maybe not being wolf in case I flipped at some point, you could say you never read me as wolfy. and obviously falcon flipped town so what do I look like to now you seanzie

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:38 pm Eh, nah.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

seanzie asks if he he should tie it again but right after that, fingers puts her vote on falcon. seanzie now has the pressure relief of being able to put his vote on falcon without looking too wolfy about it. can't help but wonder if fingers had voted someone else, if seanzie would have picked another vote.

can someone please link me seanzie's ISO

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:19 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 3:15 am Is Seanzie paired then with his last day sudden push on me
He probably is because I doubt Porscha is mafia here.

If Porscha is mafia here I'm bingewatching whatever show she picks out and I'll write a full review on it.

lmao

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:43 pm I'm going to point out that NAA hasn't even voted me despite me being "confirmed" mafia from his perspective. He's FPSing because he's concerned about the night kill.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:47 pm [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:47 pm [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

I was going to try baiting other people by making them think I got a red somewhere else.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:01 am The clear mech play is to believe the cop that was green checked by the other cop. If I am VT derailing a red check, you can report me for game throwing, and the mods will side with you.

- this of course makes sense

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:12 am And yes, if Ender flips cop, this is a gamethrow.

- ender couldn't flip cop based on mech and would just be a wolf. that's the only real possibility based on him clearing NAA. I could see ender targeting fingers as an eeeaassy lynch target and maybe hope fingers is the actual cop who doesn't come around fast enough and gets hammered? seems like a lot of what ifs to go through. my guess is just targeted fingers as low hanging fruit as final mislynch for wolves to win

so NAA is like "oh not only did you randomly lie about being cop to save your ass, you also are continuing the lie by calling out a red check? lmao ok" but seems to hold off on revealing this UNTIL AFTER he has confirmed with you, LC, that you both think i'm town. ender has now not been in thread for a couple hours and comes back with his read. LC, you also flip between believing NAA, then believing Ender, then back to NAA once NAA convinces you that mech wise this is the most likely outcome. do you actually agree with ender or LC

um okay so from what I understand, this back and forth is NAA is already calling Ender's cop claim fake just to not get voted off; ender says hes worried people will think that; NAA says, haha well cop would cc you since he's still alive" and then like 2 hours later when ender falls off NAA just randomly throws that reveal out there

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:43 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:39 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:38 pm TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.
I half suspect this is what people are trying to make it out to be but leaving me uncced doesn't actually accomplish that so idk what's going on.
I mean, if you're mafia, someone will CC. We know the cop is alive.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:36 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:33 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:22 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:30 pm I will say later today what result was. But I'm just gonna keep it under my thumb for now.
Why?
Because outing redchecks ruins people's reactions.

I want to see everyone enter thread.
Fair enough.

Do you have a fixed idea of what you think you might accomplish? No need to answer in the thread, just curious about what you're expecting to get out of this.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:38 pm TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:39 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:38 pm TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.
I half suspect this is what people are trying to make it out to be but leaving me uncced doesn't actually accomplish that so idk what's going on.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:43 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:39 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:38 pm TBH, when I saw Mac flip, I thought this was just a play to live one extra day via fake claim. So the red check is pretty surprising, but I'm curious to see how this plays.
I half suspect this is what people are trying to make it out to be but leaving me uncced doesn't actually accomplish that so idk what's going on.
I mean, if you're mafia, someone will CC. We know the cop is alive.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:49 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:46 pm I don't get Seanzie making that kill though, I doubt he'd be suboptimal about the kill?
I don't understand the logic of the Mac kill from any perspective at the moment...

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:58 pm Ok, I'm the cop.

I have a green check on Master Radishes from N1 and a green check on Fingersplints from N2.

I dont understand this progression from NAA tbh

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:49 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 2:45 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:36 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:31 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:28 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:12 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:50 am I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.

My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.
Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?
Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.
MR can you please help me understand whether ender or NAA is cop b/c like i'm struggle bus
Ender claimed cop at the end of the day yesterday while he was wagoned, with an inno on NAA and claimed to have a guilty check on Finger today.

NAA claimed cop today and said that MR and Finger are his innocent checks both nights.
okay yes I understand but I am unsure of what to believe here is my issue

did Ender have majority wagon and then reveal cop literally just to save himself or what was the context there
Ender was the leading wagon at that time, which was when he decided to claim. Which, if Ender is mafia then he did it to 1. Save himself and yeet a town member and 2. Possibly get the real cop to out so that the mafia can target them and waste the body guard/the cop themselves the next night.

okay I like this thought process --

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:36 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:31 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:28 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:12 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:50 am I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.

My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.
Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?
Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.
MR can you please help me understand whether ender or NAA is cop b/c like i'm struggle bus
Ender claimed cop at the end of the day yesterday while he was wagoned, with an inno on NAA and claimed to have a guilty check on Finger today.

NAA claimed cop today and said that MR and Finger are his innocent checks both nights.

okay yes I understand but I am unsure of what to believe here is my issue

did Ender have majority wagon and then reveal cop literally just to save himself or what was the context there

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:28 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 1:12 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Mar 31, 2022 12:50 am I mean, I came into today ready to tunnel Ender anyway, regardless of the claim. So I'm ready and willing to believe NAA here, despite accepting if anyone is FPSIng it would be him.

My D2 take is that LC is probably Ender's partner. Maybe Seanzie.
Have you not read my day so far and realized I might be towny as hell?
Not really. I was more focused on NAA and Ender. All I noticed of you was suggesting me not being here at EoD meant I wouldn't have seen Ender's last minute claim, which apparently also means I didn't read a handful of posts in a slow game over the 24 hours since then, which is just quite silly.

MR can you please help me understand whether ender or NAA is cop b/c like i'm struggle bus

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:58 pm Ok, I'm the cop.

I have a green check on Master Radishes from N1 and a green check on Fingersplints from N2.

why did you choose to reveal here instead of in your previous posts. was it only to defend fingers since I brought them up?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:12 pm Oh wait, no because mafia venge kill will end me today, so you all actually have to find the last mafia.

what is venge kill. how does it work

and does FPS mean like ... first person shooting or something else LOL

okay the cop and counter cop claim just gave me whiplash

like i'm actually considering that killing mac was the literal worst option for wolves but idk

i'm also not surprised mac flipped town here tbh but I really would have thought that if wolves didnt go after ender, they'd at least go for NAA. game state between NAA and falcon was already putting pressure on mac as pocketing so keeping mac alive could have possibly resulted in a vote on mac or at least further discourse trying to make mac sound like he's wolf

I want to aggressively say fingers is a wolf but it feels hard to confirm with the little interaction there has been from them unfortunately

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Mar 30, 2022 6:47 pm Like who wasn't here is the people we gotta look at.

Possibly FingerSplints being one mainly because she's typically super busy so I could see her not checking what's going on and selecting a kill based on who the stronger players are.

Possibly Porscha because she's new to the site and also might not have checked the game and just saw who died and picked a kill...again though not sure why she'd make that DADV argument though in the middle of the night as a wolf.

MR wasn't here I believe and I could see attempting a weird play, hoping for a good PR read...also Mac was voting him second half of the day so just give priority to killing the guy scumreading him.

I mean I think it's pretty clearing of me to get votes off falcon b/c it was obvious he was town with the thread not moving at all. we get votes off falcon mid day, and they end up back on him. I didnt like it

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:39 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:24 pm How would you even know that Mac isn't guaranteed to be mafia if you're town in the current game state? Yes, we started from rand, but if I'm right, certain actions have dictated that one of you MUST be mafia. How could you even presume that's false when you don't even know what you're objecting to?
I'd object to someone calling me mafia based on their own science they will not reveal. If I was town. Or mafia for that matter. I can object if I think the answer is wrong no matter how someone got to the answer.

Like I get that's your world view atm but just because you arent willing to share and someone isnt privy to the exact reasoning behind your conclusion doesnt inherently mean it cant be objected to
Ok, sure... He's objecting in principle, but not because he actually understands whether or not what I said is plausible.

Well from what I understand you insist on making about your own personal tells/reads that you wont explain. So what else do you expect someone to do. Blindly follow you?

Okay I think I'm just going to decide to get over MR, mac, falcon, and what I believe is a well intentioned NAA

That leaves me with seanzie, LC, Fingers, Ender

I townread LC day 1 and early day 2 but theyve quietly slipped out of convo
I didnt like fingers interaction with me but there is also only so much to go off of
Seanzie and Ender I'm not sure what to do with, I think I need to get out of bed and actually ISO them or something

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:24 pm How would you even know that Mac isn't guaranteed to be mafia if you're town in the current game state? Yes, we started from rand, but if I'm right, certain actions have dictated that one of you MUST be mafia. How could you even presume that's false when you don't even know what you're objecting to?

I'd object to someone calling me mafia based on their own science they will not reveal. If I was town. Or mafia for that matter. I can object if I think the answer is wrong no matter how someone got to the answer.

Like I get that's your world view atm but just because you arent willing to share and someone isnt privy to the exact reasoning behind your conclusion doesnt inherently mean it cant be objected to

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:46 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:46 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:28 am

Because it has to be, and the circumstances allow it to be. I would argue that my world view isn't sufficiently limited to have a winning record, even under the assumption that it's correct.
I think your first 2 points in this post are only true if you're Maf
What..? No..? You do realize this is a set up with only 2 miss elims right?

So... Even a PoE of 4 is losing right now. Basic math..?
So who's Maf when I flip green?

You've got static world views that don't have to be true...like, you're not even truly considering them to possibly be wrong.

You have MR as lock town. That's absurd
I've answered this question repeatedly & Seanzie recently mentioned it too - which basically tells me you're pretending to be here, but you're really not paying attention to anything I've written, or anything that's been discussed in the thread as of recent.
I'm sorry, but I read your answer of a world w/o me as Maf as "Mac + 1", and that's pretty damn narrow, static, and superficial IMO

There's a difference between pretending to be here and just not buying your explanation.

Also, "pretending to be here"...like your superficial (and self admittedly so) read on me? That's not pretending?
Ok, so your plan is to tell me you're going to flip green, and ask me to form a larger PoE (which is also losing)... I'll stick to my original reads & my own game solving process tyvm. If I'm wrong, I'll look to see why my reads were wrong in post-game like I do every time.

I'm giving my perspective and asking for someone to convince me of another world that makes more sense and that has the possibility of being winning, Mac says too tired, and Falcon arbitrarily says my reads are too specific and I need to revert to a guaranteed losing stance. I don't really know what to make of it other than /ignore.

Are we just waiting for the cop to come in and save us? That's a plan, not a very good one... But as long as we're rolling dice, I don't see anything else netting the win.

If LC flipped red first, where would you go from there

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:14 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:11 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:06 pm Can you flesh out your sus a bit?

Also, why are you so (seemingly) comfortable w NAAs lock town read on you? I'd think it would make you wary of his slot, no?
Fleshing out would involve reading back and I'm on my phone right now and refuse to so it. Ask again later.

Asked and answered about NAA. The whole thing is typical him. I've never seen him wolf so dunno the flavour difference but he often has reads like the one on me. If he's pocketing he picked a bad choice to do it to. He recently misread me so might have double checked his algorithm or whatever. My one concern on him is unrelated to his approach to my slot.
To add on this, there's a reasonable argument to be made that MR should be more concerned about people pushing him. I know some people here are fond of TMI reads, but they are seldom right.

To be fair, MR gave me some words when I was questioning his slot early

well my vote on mac feels useless now since i'm back to town reading him so 'ill park on MR for now

so do we prioritize falcon flip for info and NAA solve or do we try and push MR

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:11 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:08 am I don't really know what to do about MR with NAA insisting he has perfect the MR read and claims he's town and you strong reading MR as maf
I don’t believe anyone can perfectly read anyone. We are all make mistakes and we are all capable of fooling one another.

I mean ... yeah but I'm relatively new to everybody else here so I don't have as strong of a foundation and am less willing to make super confident reads. my opinions are generally swayable by a good player.

anyway that post is just where i'm standing about MR right now.

I really didnt think there were any good townie posts which was I was on him to begin with but NAA had me doubting myself and MR followed up on it calling me out for misreading him in another game. I guess I could move my vote to MR to spice it up a little with 3 votes on him

I don't really know what to do about MR with NAA insisting he has perfect the MR read and claims he's town and you strong reading MR as maf

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:03 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:59 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:58 am I struggle to understand how you can call MR one of the nullest slots in the game in a game that contains Seanzie, Fingersplints et al. If MR is null then everyone is null. MR has produced as much readable content as anyone in the game.
I thought you went on MR after he popped in to say pretty much nothing and then leave. maybe I misconstrued that interaction
Perhaps you somehow missed the part where I outlined by game solve at the start of this day in which I implied that I read day 1 and spent most of my backread tunneling MR until Ender usurped his position. I am not coming at MR from a place of "you are mafia for these two >rand posts". Those two potentially null looking posts were just enough for me to shift my quite fixed worldview back into the inverse direction. Particularly in light of Ender's improved day 2 contributions.

you're right I forgot about that

okay mac who are your top 3 town reads

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:58 am I struggle to understand how you can call MR one of the nullest slots in the game in a game that contains Seanzie, Fingersplints et al. If MR is null then everyone is null. MR has produced as much readable content as anyone in the game.

I thought you went on MR after he popped in to say pretty much nothing and then leave. maybe I misconstrued that interaction

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:57 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:32 am @MacDougall @falcon45ca explain yourselves. so many words and you end up on one of the nullest players in the game
I do not believe MR to be null. Certainly not one of the "nullest" players in the game. Perhaps you think MR to be null in the sense that he's a difficult read. My view on MR is that yes he can be difficult to read, but also similar to myself, that if his reads are simply bad and his play largely does not vibe with me that it is because he is not town and also specifically a mafia that is very focused on the game at hand.

Porscha I appreciate your attempts to push the game forward and encourage you to do so but you are very much barking up the wrong tree going after me if you are town, which at this juncture given how little effort anyone but you is putting forth I have little choice but to take as a given. If you wish to put the mafia in a worse situation it would be a good idea to solve my slot to your contentment first and then work with me, as opposed to beginning at a random point of "let's vote" Mac, which is practically the absolute best possible thing for the mafia at this point in the game that you could do.

okay fine. why did you give up on ender vote

i'm trying to push falcon too. i'm not just saying "okay everybody off falcon for funzies i'm bored"

I already have my own suspicions that I believe are founded and I'm trying to do something about them

You could make that argument for literally any vote at any point. what makes me trying to stir the cold pot mafia behavior

I'd like to believe we just caught falcon red handed and sit here on our hands whistling the rest of the day but I dont think that's productive even if we still end up voting falcon

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