The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:02 pm mac, vote spf and trust me please. read my arguments and fucking assume i'm a the five head that's correct

@Porscha vote spf, you haven't, iso jack and me today for your catchup on mech if you are still confused and questions etc

I literally had my vote on spf earlier until fucking mac kept insisting it couldnt be her
Reading this shit getting @ by 4 different people begging me to do the "towny" thing by voting somewhere else is just aggravating me, I'm giving up and parking vote on spf whatever happens after that isnt my problem anymore. The likelihood mac has the answers more than lucy is too low at this point no matter how hard I tr him

Like I assume finding the zealot is a lot easier for lucy than trying to ascertain if/who used a specific card at what time so unless something comes up to change that perspective I'm ride or die on that part of the mech solve and it makes sense to me. Everything else does not make sense

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:05 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:31 pm let's just say i have a bad feeling

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:40 pm Falcon
Dennis
Porscha
SPF
Seanzie

Final guess lol.
mac do u think the vote will go through today?
@Dennis vote spf and iso me and jack today, if you have any questions beyond that then ask however i only have 25 posts left

@Bereft @sig @Porscha do you still question my mech?

@staypositivefriend @MacDougall same to you, explain these posts if my mech is bad or that i'm FPS'ing or that i'm confused or some shit

I am uncertain if we can fully trust that your mech has not been tampered with based on individual reads. This is what is causing me to yield

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:06 am @Porscha @sig sorry for all the pings, i hope it doesnt come off like im yelling or strangling you. im just invested coz i dont wanna randomly lose like this

can you please explain to me why you think trusting your own townread on macdougall is a better route to go for, than trusting the (both personal and potentially mechanical) scumread on macdougall by an innocent child lucy?

do you think lucy is dumb and doesn't understand how the game or her role works? u think that her being dumb is a more likely scenario than your townread on mac being wrong?

I dont know how you can think I think lucy is "dumb" based on what I have said today. That is clearly not the issue at play here
I'm also aware she difference checked me and sig. Obviously I'm not surprised sig ended up wolf but lucy also very specifically put our difference check as the dead last part of the solve due to the zealot mechanic so I'm not going to sit around and waste time on that today when we have a much bigger issue at hand
I voted spf and I'm still open to SPF being a wolf but try to think about it from my perspective
You likely wont be able to convince me today that mac is wolfing
Which leaves me between only you and spf
But the solve doesnt fucking make sense !!!
So what if mac is correct that some of Lucy's reads got messed with? I know lucy is confident but if there are cards that can influence who she sees at night for example then she might not know of another card affecting what she sees
And since i am unable to entertain a wolf mac world, all i can do is try to help him figure out if and where he may be wrong, which is what I've done today

Whatever I'm not caught up I wont be until tomorrow probs cuz I gotta work late and then hit up a friends birthday. We will figure this out

This game is mentally torturing me into sleep deprivation I have to go for real but
@staypositivefriend how are you feeling about creature today

But also mac like dont you think spf could potentially have just set up to bus creature from the get go

Ugh but then also like why would she bother doing all that yesterday when other wagons were viable

But also think of the cred

But also wolves are already ahead so why not take advantage of other wagon instead

Okay like I'm gonna pressure check it but by no means am I locked in

God sometimes youre so convincing
Okay lucy red alert I want to vote tutuu and not spf rn but like I know that's not what you said so I need you to be honest on how confident you are that tutuu cant be a part of the solve and if there is a chance spf isnt because maybe we are onto something here

Okay I made it to bed but the mental hamster wont stop running

Here is another thought
I am thinking about creature (derogatory) ((wolfy))
Creature has a simple tell. His media posting ratio to post ratio. And it is way off
He has had some mildly redeeming moments but also times where he desperately needed to be redeemed
Ultimately mac I did not consider that a town creature could have used judgment to save himself because I am not nearly as charitable in my reading of him as you here
So in my eyes it was
1) Creature was zealot, still dont understand any reasoning as to why he cant be
2) Creature was wolf who wolves saved
3) Creature was wolf who a town saved
4) Creature was town who a town saved
5) dont think creature would be town who wolves save
So since 3/4 of those options include him being a wolf I am still inclined to believe that's quite possible
And that also loops back into my issue with tutuu/spf, cuz I fear creature could have been getting bussed and that would point to spf and not tutuu in that world

Lucy and mac are there *any* players who you both could agree to on a flip today. As long as it isnt game losing, even if it isnt even ideal? Like maybe a shift away from the big 4 focus could be useful right now

Anyway goodnight

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:25 am I think it's probably a good thought exercise to consider whether mafia spf and mafia mac would actually interact with each other in this way. Where has been my effort to put distance between us? I've played nothing like my wolf game with her.

I'd be more likely mafia with Tutuu if I was.

Well since I refuse to believe you're wolfing the exercise is trying to see who is giving you the pocket fondle

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:24 am I've had moments of doubt towards spf. I literally ended d2 voting spf because I was having one of my patented come to God moments and spf mocked me and self voted in response and then the mafia ended the day lol.

I've just been locked into living in the world she's town the whole time because we've had almost the same reads nearly the entire time.

Quirky coincidence innit

Idk. I think just via style alone I probably find spf townier than tutuu in a lot of worldsbut since I lack spf skill I'm trying not to get confbiased because it's getting down to crunch time and I want to believe lucy has all the answers but the reality is we dont have a confirmed 5. And since you and her are at such odds with reads I feel like I am walking 2 dogs who are always trying to go in directly opposite directions and its causing me a bit of trouble

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:21 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:17 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:11 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:09 am Okay I am of the unsober variety but allow me to take your hand and try to lead you through a forest path of thoughts and confliction I am having. Sorry if any branches hit you in the face I'm not liable I dont own the forest I am simply existing in it

Okay. If I'm starting where lucy is ic, I thought tutuu was towny, I feel strongly about mac being town, and then following mac's read on spf
This is... ugh
There has to be at least 1 wolf in this solve between tutuu and mac and spf because the red sea might as well have parted with the way this became very divisive between 2 parties of thought, and very quickly
I cannot know how guaranteed Lucy's solve is but if I am stuck between you three based on what is occurring at this moment in time
And I insist on not starting with mac because of my personal read on him
If I'm looking at a possible tutuu/spf w/w world this is very good distancing and theater between them, or I'm more likely to lean into thinking that it's more likely it is a difference check
Now again I dont know tutuu and I am not good at reading spf so maybe a w/w world there is possible BUT just from post content I'm going to hazard its t/w w/t
Now from here I am unsure how to best discern who is most likely the wolf between the 2
Mac I will acknowledge that your point that tutuu appears to have opportunistically jumped on pushes or wagons is... not a good look. And I cant speak on the pocketing. But does a wolf tutuu decide to power wolf by doing nothing other than hopping reads at especially egregious times? And then instantly align with lucy with extreme confidence in lucy? We are getting to the point in the game where numbers are reaching critical levels and wolves will start losing knowledge advantage and be likelier to lose a member. Even if there ends up being a miss today, I think there is a very high chance tomorrow hits a wolf. The way the threadstate is becoming more polarized points to this.

Mac lemme ask you something.... how many worlds do you believe in where you and spf are both town and at no point have you scumread her? Like what would the chances of that be
Yes Tutuu would hard wolfside as a wolf.

The last question doesn't make sense.
Okay but in such an obvious way? Is what I'm trying to point out there
And let me rephrase, I am trying to ask ... okay let me preface my question with the memory I have of you and spf in games together that I have also been in. Not once have you both been town where you also never scumread her
So I am wondering if maybe you should consider that perhaps you have been pocketed not by tutuu but by spf?
How likely do you consider this world
I consider it possible. But spf being mafia with tutuu seems very unlikely and tutuu is very very outed to me. I was literally playing eod yesterday confirmation biased that all the sig voters were mafia and I was trying to bait the last wolf or two to out and try to win there and then by voting sig. But then Creature started posting at the last minute and got super townie himself and kinda threw a spanner into my scheme.

I see. We both think it's likely t/w but you're hard sold on tutuu... I will proceed with caution on tutuu

Having lucy as #1 town and mac #2 town with this kind of fighting is pain

Anyway it's like 4:30 am I am being depression gremlin so I need to sleep for work tomorrow. I'll try to check in throughout the day

Well. Gamers. I have gotten nowhere since being here
I want to believe lucy has at least some answers that include mech she is confident on but like. Her solve is significantly [redacted] mine and now all of my reads feel like eels in my hands

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:15 am I actually don't think it's possible SPF is mafia. Tutuu is outed fmpov and there's no reason for them to be doing this distancing routine if they are w/w because there's no way town wins in that world and it's too winmore for both of them.

Mmmmmmkay never mind I feel like this answers my question I just asked lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:11 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:09 am Okay I am of the unsober variety but allow me to take your hand and try to lead you through a forest path of thoughts and confliction I am having. Sorry if any branches hit you in the face I'm not liable I dont own the forest I am simply existing in it

Okay. If I'm starting where lucy is ic, I thought tutuu was towny, I feel strongly about mac being town, and then following mac's read on spf
This is... ugh
There has to be at least 1 wolf in this solve between tutuu and mac and spf because the red sea might as well have parted with the way this became very divisive between 2 parties of thought, and very quickly
I cannot know how guaranteed Lucy's solve is but if I am stuck between you three based on what is occurring at this moment in time
And I insist on not starting with mac because of my personal read on him
If I'm looking at a possible tutuu/spf w/w world this is very good distancing and theater between them, or I'm more likely to lean into thinking that it's more likely it is a difference check
Now again I dont know tutuu and I am not good at reading spf so maybe a w/w world there is possible BUT just from post content I'm going to hazard its t/w w/t
Now from here I am unsure how to best discern who is most likely the wolf between the 2
Mac I will acknowledge that your point that tutuu appears to have opportunistically jumped on pushes or wagons is... not a good look. And I cant speak on the pocketing. But does a wolf tutuu decide to power wolf by doing nothing other than hopping reads at especially egregious times? And then instantly align with lucy with extreme confidence in lucy? We are getting to the point in the game where numbers are reaching critical levels and wolves will start losing knowledge advantage and be likelier to lose a member. Even if there ends up being a miss today, I think there is a very high chance tomorrow hits a wolf. The way the threadstate is becoming more polarized points to this.

Mac lemme ask you something.... how many worlds do you believe in where you and spf are both town and at no point have you scumread her? Like what would the chances of that be
Yes Tutuu would hard wolfside as a wolf.

The last question doesn't make sense.

Okay but in such an obvious way? Is what I'm trying to point out there
And let me rephrase, I am trying to ask ... okay let me preface my question with the memory I have of you and spf in games together that I have also been in. Not once have you both been town where you also never scumread her
So I am wondering if maybe you should consider that perhaps you have been pocketed not by tutuu but by spf?
How likely do you consider this world

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:01 am it's funny really, mafia are going like lemmings off a cliff arguing about about a specific mechanical aspect, spf/sabi/mac all had the same argument to dissuade me about a specific piece of info and spf/sabi overextended and mac is using the same argument not understanding that they're outed. unfortunately for them a mechanically slight of hand occurred and the next 4/5 lynches are now mafia

If mac was wolfing with them wouldnt he understand you read them as outed and just be hard defending? Saying he "doesnt realize " reads to me like you're kinda tr'ing him as if he is naively wolfsiding but you include his name in the lemmings

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:55 am Tutuu had wishy washy nonsense reads on Jack and Wilgy early. She townread Dennis for nothing then out of nowhere started tunneling him (cuz he's Zealot).

So you think tutuu hard wolfsides until she decides to try very suddenly bus the zealot?

Okay I am of the unsober variety but allow me to take your hand and try to lead you through a forest path of thoughts and confliction I am having. Sorry if any branches hit you in the face I'm not liable I dont own the forest I am simply existing in it

Okay. If I'm starting where lucy is ic, I thought tutuu was towny, I feel strongly about mac being town, and then following mac's read on spf
This is... ugh
There has to be at least 1 wolf in this solve between tutuu and mac and spf because the red sea might as well have parted with the way this became very divisive between 2 parties of thought, and very quickly
I cannot know how guaranteed Lucy's solve is but if I am stuck between you three based on what is occurring at this moment in time
And I insist on not starting with mac because of my personal read on him
If I'm looking at a possible tutuu/spf w/w world this is very good distancing and theater between them, or I'm more likely to lean into thinking that it's more likely it is a difference check
Now again I dont know tutuu and I am not good at reading spf so maybe a w/w world there is possible BUT just from post content I'm going to hazard its t/w w/t
Now from here I am unsure how to best discern who is most likely the wolf between the 2
Mac I will acknowledge that your point that tutuu appears to have opportunistically jumped on pushes or wagons is... not a good look. And I cant speak on the pocketing. But does a wolf tutuu decide to power wolf by doing nothing other than hopping reads at especially egregious times? And then instantly align with lucy with extreme confidence in lucy? We are getting to the point in the game where numbers are reaching critical levels and wolves will start losing knowledge advantage and be likelier to lose a member. Even if there ends up being a miss today, I think there is a very high chance tomorrow hits a wolf. The way the threadstate is becoming more polarized points to this.

Mac lemme ask you something.... how many worlds do you believe in where you and spf are both town and at no point have you scumread her? Like what would the chances of that be

I didnt want it to be like this

and also I read it, not super closely tbh but it was read

torn between saying "ayo what the [redacted] is going on in here" and

just holding my head in my hands in silence

I have to leave for real now, I dont gaf about moving my vote, I'm happy to find a creature / sig / dennis flip regardless, they all will provide good post flip info
May we flip a wolf, inshallah

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:11 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:08 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:03 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:03 pm If Sig is town and Seanzie is faithly representing things then I'm lost, that's really all there is to it.
Why with regard to me?
You claim Creature is not zealot, so that would mean mafia should be doing anything to prevent Creature from going over. Either that or Creature is town as well.
Do you not believe some mafia could bus a slot that is in extremely hot water when the cw started turning up the "townie" dial?
Ok so Jack is a wolf as well then.
I do believe they could but its unnecessary and I've learned not to overlevel myself.

I assumed sean was referring to sig and not jack here

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:09 pm Jack: susses Wilgz, porscha and I for following Mac lead

Also jack: never susses Mac who is leading

Make it make sense

So is jack not allowed to have suspicions on people who might just be playing follow the leader for pocketing points or tmi bussing purposes?

I dont really see the issue.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:06 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:05 pm Lol why is Porscha voting Sig? She was scumreading Creature. Bad look without actually looking at it.
Mac asked her to.

Jack are you capable of having real reads.

You keep sussing me and wilgs and Porscha, who all followed Mac lead, But never sus Mac.

@MacDougall do you see this

Tbf if jack threw shade at me earlier I never saw it so to me i think hes just not paying attention? I'd be surprised if jack was actually trying to make me look bad when i was one of his biggest defenders before cuz like that's just counter intuitive for a wolf jack to do lol

Anyway sabi i feel like you're implying something but not uh, not saying it

Spoiler: show

Not like I've been tr'ing sig at any point anyway... nice read jack very informed of you!!!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:05 pm Lol why is Porscha voting Sig? She was scumreading Creature. Bad look without actually looking at it.

Clearly since I popped in to sheep mac and left

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:34 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:33 pm But I do think real quick sig or creature should go over today
And mildly weird bereft had me so lock town

That's it bye
Saying you mindmelded with my posts gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling inside my heart.

I love giving warm and fuzzies but I'm surprised it was worth that much in terms of reading me
Idk
Maybe one of those things that would be less pinging to me if I knew who you were
I simply do not want to believe you would tmi me so I wont!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:55 pm The chances of mafia not currently voting Creature are too damn low.
If Sabi is actually town, Creature wagon is pure.

Huh?? Like statistically there almost always has to be at least 1 if not more wolves on creature rn

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:55 pm The chances of mafia not currently voting Creature are too damn low.

Its pert near impossible for there to not be

I lied I apparently get to be here for 20 minutes

But I do think real quick sig or creature should go over today
And mildly weird bereft had me so lock town

That's it bye

Wont be back for eod confirmed so I wont be moving vote or contributing to eod

Farewell soldiers and good luck in the upcoming battle

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:34 pm @Sabiplz @Porscha move to sig plz.

Done

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:18 pm @Jackofhearts2005 I need you to find SPF for me then as I think that slot is counter to your argument on creature.

The players I think I currently trust the least are in the order of Creature > Sig > SPF.

None of these are on Sig and it just feels better because of that.

Your argument is very damned if you do damned if you don't and I don't really see why you'd take that approach. The Ethos you put into your argument feels misaligned.

Counter to argument? Havent jack and spf both been SR'ing creature...?

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:05 pm sabi invitational flashbacks

I've been having same thought lol

Unlikely I'll be around for the game much or at all up into eod
Glad we collectively decided to stop being naive towards creature I feel validated

Sorry for low presence this gameday, was depresso from my stuff yesterday
Game maybe barely salvageable

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:18 pm Hmmm I wonder who Seanzie thinks is bad

Do you guys know

?????

Bereft wrote: ↑Thu Jan 12, 2023 12:06 pm If Sig and Creature are partnered, then I don't see any point in tutuu calling them out immediately.

This only assumes all 3 would be wolves here, no

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:20 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:28 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.
Is it being ignored?

It's definitely a possibility, but I think it's a gamble I'd be very shaky on.

Tutuu's conviction towards alot of slots could very much be TMI.

The thing that may support this is that all of the slots Tutuu wrs are what I'd think are very *safe* and apply to people that are 1 unfamiliar or 2 often misread.
who in the wr's are you thinking of here? and how do you mean "safe"?
I've seen a wr on you, Roxy, Sig, Creature, and even I'm on the list in a 50/50.

I don't think that these players carry a thread weight as much as others we've had and still do (Mac and Seanzie for example). I.e. they are safe.

well i'm also tr'ing mac and sean. sig and creature i've expressed less than town reads on. so why are you using this against tutuu and not me?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:37 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:16 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:20 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:17 pm @Seanzie @Creature talk to be about SPF
If there aren't at least two wolves in SPF/Mac/Bereft, the game makes no sense.
What makes this list possible?

I think that there's one wolf between them, but I'd be very surprised to see 2 in these 3.
I don't see the game going the way it has if that group is mostly town.
how do you see the game going then?
I have talked in length about this, and it is not a good idea to rehash it for threadhealth. My eye is on you. This is the second time I've gotten weird feels from you trying to interact with me.

I was obviously in catch up so you can get mad about me not reading ahead all you want but it's pointless

Anyway I had a mortuary event today not in the mood to play atm I'll be around later tonight

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:46 am I don't know why tutuu turned on Dennis or why Dennis turned on tutuu.

I don't like jack disappearing.

Idk I'm kinda doubting my Wilgz read atp. I don't feel like he would converse and question me like that if he wolf? Maybe? Kinda idk.

I would like to sort Seanzie/mac because I think one is either wolf or at least wolfsiding.

I haven't read berefit iso and just read d3-4 posts. Who are they?

i'm still struggling to determine what I think about wilgy but I dont think that specific comment was wolf ai from him

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:24 am oh yeah you did, you're lock town

i missed that oops haha

how does that make me lock town to you

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:19 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:17 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:07 am im at this now

creature, sig, bereft, dennis, falcon
weren't you sr'ing jack before?
nah i think i always had him as town, then at some point at d3 i conceded that he could be wolf, i ended the day saying he's my least confident townread, and its still like that. he's chilling

okay I must misremember then. i'm really not thinking it's falcon or bereft right now. it's possible i'm being blindsided by bereft here but their logic and explanations behind the logic always make sense to me. it feels genuine and bereft doesnt fear changing their reads when they feel like they are relatively calculated which to me reads as a towny tone

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:33 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:23 pm Seanzie and Falcon, sell me on SPF being a wolf.
I'm not going to do that. I know I can't outargue the heavy hitters out there, and I've learned enough from mafia that when I'm the underdog in these sorts of situations, I shouldn't even try to case them, it will be torn to shreds and it will be written off by the town.

I leave it to you to convince yourself, or them to slip up.

this is like, pointless. how about you dont "sell" me anything but I'd like to know what you think you're seeing so that maybe I am able to see it too

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:07 am im at this now

creature, sig, bereft, dennis, falcon

weren't you sr'ing jack before?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:30 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:27 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:25 pm i'm like....a player that exists in the game. you can interact with me. you can figure out my alignment by talking to me about my reads and asking me questions.
You can brush my hair, undress me everywhere
Sorry I couldn't resist.

Still found myself agreeing with Seanzie that there's something wrong with our rockstar towncore.

okay so what's wrong with it? aren't *you* a part of the general towncore? for reasons i'm not understanding

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 am Btw

Temperance - Balance, Moderation, Patience, Purpose. If the player who draws this card chooses to play it, a number of living civilians equal to the number of living mafia members will be randomly chosen. The posts made by each during the following day phase will be added up and compared. If the totals are balanced within 5 posts of each other, the player who drew the Temperance card will be granted one alignment check. If they are not in balance within 5 posts of each other, the player will only be told how many total players were tallied. As this card has no useful purpose for the mafia, if a mafia member draws it, their night kill becomes a strongman kill for the following night.

Town should probably try to coordinate to ensure this card is playable moving forward.

so... this is only useful, literally, if the 5 mafia total posts is within 5 total post count of a randomly selected group of 5 town? (5 is the example since right now that is the case, obviously if used later in game and wolf count has decreased, the town amount does)

cuz otherwise if they aren't within 5 total posts of each other then the person who used the card only gets to know how many players were tallied. but since we have all flips... we already know how many maf are alive, and therefore how many town would be included in that count. I'm understanding this correctly, yes?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:28 pm Like if I'm jetisoning a strong townread, it's Mac, not SPF or Tutuu. Mac has been erratic and thrown out random accusations.

But why aren't any of those three dead? I didn't miss another mass redirect did I?

you sure this isn't omgus on mac? lol

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