The Syndicate

Also big thanks to @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME for hosting the game, in retrospect I did really have a lot of fun this game!

(And sorry to anyone's toes that I stepped on, @Mizery @Lime Coke, you're both great)

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:24 pm Also I gotta give it to Lag for basically reading my mind all the time they were alive.

I would make a kill and then the day would start and Lag would go and describe why I made the kill.

Spent the whole game scaring the shit out of me. You are really damn good at scumhunting, my friend. If town had won you'd be the MVP imo.

Thanks for the shout out DDL!

I am admittedly a bit annoyed that I had your read pretty much spot on and was asking for you to be chopped pretty consistently but Mac + Jack kept hard shielding you! Argh!

Obviously though the props goes to you for setting yourself up in a way where you could snow those two so hard, well played! And congrats on the win! ^^

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 2:46 pm I think we lim exactly Mizzy, Duffy, and Jack for the win

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 6:38 pm Dizzy jack lag mizery

the wolf is probs in here

Borderline ready to just sheep this

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 4:07 pm Mizery and Lag have a weird beef with each other where they both claim they have wolf meta on each other, but because it's mutual, it seems like they are incapable of speaking in the same page and just keep repeating the same points against one another. Really makes me feel one is full of shit because otherwise I think they might have arrived at a common ground after all this time.

And I don't think it's Lag who is more likely to be full of shit.

This is ironic because Mizery and I are actually good friends.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:52 pm Jack, I’m probably going to vote you today.

No, you won't. Cause I'm town and I'm unyeetable and you're town and you're smart enough not to and I'm cute enough not to be yeeted and it's a silly thing to suggest in the first place.

Every time you claim to be unyeetable it makes me wolf-read you a little bit more.

Since if you're unyeetable as town, why do I have so many thoughts about "maybe Jack's the wolf?"

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:48 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:31 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:28 pm DDL’s posts today very towny. Rip my thoughts

Do they?

The first long ones, I think?

Yeah I guess, but also

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:49 pm Reading this day didn’t really help. Most are just towny.

mostly this.

This day feels like it didn't really move the needle at all compared to where we were yesterday for my reads.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:28 pm DDL’s posts today very towny. Rip my thoughts

Do they?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:17 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:09 pm Great game, ya’ll.

Max mostly goat.

I’m a little bit suss that you though the game was over when Arc claimed, and others were questioning if he was trolling.

Fake claiming mafia as you go down as town is one of the oldest tricks in the book. I’m sure you’re aware of that.

The very last game I played, Alison faked mafia when she was chopped as town on D1. Hally who was mafia pretended to buy it, which I called out the next day. Cause I was watching irt as it happened, and felt it was pretty obvious that Alison had faked.

I wasn’t surprised to find that Arc did the same.

I also bought the fake claim and was legitimately upset that everyone else had the correct read except me

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:15 pm you heavily misunderstand my last post then

stop just parrying the most recent post directed at you, please

You talked about have like a bunch of different thoughts on different slots, and then you have the thread and stage to yourself, and you choose to post none of them

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 3:08 pmlolok

You had plenty of time to analyze the game state given that it looks like you're about to get chopped today, but you just didn't...

It feels like your posting is just trying to parry the things that other people have said about you rather than actually analyzing the slots in this game.

Which makes it look like you care more about your own survival than a game solve.

I don't know anymore and I likely won't have much time tonight, and no one seems to be here right now

My feeling is still that DDL is the wolf, but I don't think the right play is for me to ignore the strong meta reads of like half the player list saying he's just town. Working on the assumption that DDL is town, I might be re-evaluating Jack/Porscha

Sleeping at F6 rather than F4 might actually be a decent play, except I can't help but feel I'd just be night killed

Maybe Mizery isn't wolf

Ugh, I get the feeling I'm going to be night killed

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:25 am Like that is my biggest problem this game with trying to solve you
I have seen you find me recently in the draft spec game and the only reason was because you assumed I wouldn't attack you as w

If you randed wolf then what's stopping you from trying to do the same play to get a townread

You've been waffling on your read on me where it seems to be that you want to town read me when I'm inclined to townread you, and you wolf-read me when I wolf-read you.

It feels like you're trying to assess if I'm pocketable rather than looking to solve.

If you think I'm the wolf, then go ahead and try to bury me.

If you think I'm town, then town-case yourself for me.

But this waffling in between just... no

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:13 am It's not the fact it happened
It's what specifically tilted me
And I think that that might be something you just don't look at
All of your arguments have been completely meta based
Like this one
You don't look at what specifically tilted me or what my reaction was
You instead look at the pure amounts of times you have seen me be tilted

And that is objectively wolfy

Great, vote me then

You've been tilted more often as town than as wolf, but that's by virtue of people rand town more often than they rand wolf

I don't think you being tilted is terribly AI

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:04 am

Lag wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:01 am

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:00 am This is a game in which if arete asked me what posts would be towny from me I'd be able to answer in a heartbeat

I'm not Arete, but let's pretend I am

"What posts have you made that were towny posts from you?"

For starters the one where I said that your post tilted me was towny

I've seen you get tilted as wolf before

Mizery wrote: ↑Fri Apr 22, 2022 12:00 am This is a game in which if arete asked me what posts would be towny from me I'd be able to answer in a heartbeat

I'm not Arete, but let's pretend I am

"What posts have you made that were towny posts from you?"

You say you're trying to townread me, and my argument against you is "confbiased" which both imply you feel like I'm town, but you don't want to read me as town for some reason? And you don't want to try to convince me that you're town either?

Your criticisms have been nebulous and vague accusations

Town-case yourself if you think I'm reading you incorrectly

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:54 pm I think it's pointless and yet keep trying to interact with you despite having known now for over two cycles that based on your interactions with me so far there's nothing I can do that you will townread regardless of reasoning by you st this point

And I keep trying to engage

Why

I was starting to townread you, and then rather than sticking to the DDL read when the wagons were tied 4-4 between DDL and Arcbell, you went and helped hammer Arcbell instead. Despite you not really believing in that wagon anyway

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:47 pm Lag I'm trying to townread you right now

Why not try and make it easy on me

Because I don't want you to townread me, I think you're the wolf. I'm not going over today, you're the one that needs to convince me that you are town.

If someone's read for their PoE on Day 6 was based on just the results of a reaction test from Arc on his way out, a reaction test that the wolf by definition would have known is just a reaction test....

I do appreciate Arc trying to make the most of his ML though since what he did is probably the best thing he could have done to try to get AI info from people, but it is admittedly like trying to squeeze blood from a stone in that case.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:40 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:32 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:18 pm Lag why did you come in today with a pool of me/dizzy when yesterday it was jack/me/ddl?

Because yesterday we had 3 ML's before losing

Today we have 2, with these kinds of cutbacks, someone's not going to make the team. Sorry, Jack

I was hoping for an answer along the lines of "well you both were the only two people to acknowledge that arc could be lying"

Why? That's a silly answer

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:37 pm Like especially because my day 1 consisted of voting two wolves despite the fact that I didn't elaborate on why its incredibly insulting for you to come in and first of all call me a wolf and second of all call me a wolf for specifically not having good reads

I didn't say you had bad reads, I said you had shallow reads

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:22 pm Because something lag said I suppose three days ago tilted me beyond measure and i have no clue if it was intentional or not

what tilted you?

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 11:18 pm Lag why did you come in today with a pool of me/dizzy when yesterday it was jack/me/ddl?

Because yesterday we had 3 ML's before losing

Today we have 2, with these kinds of cutbacks, someone's not going to make the team. Sorry, Jack

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:01 pm [VOTE: ddl] aubergine

Vote me, Dizzy, or no one. You have to know that DDL is never going over today.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:45 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:43 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:54 pm I simply can't believe that lag sees me vote both flipped wolves regardless of them being 3p or not and push absolutely nothing else and not even try to defend them one bit and still think I'm a wolf with such certainty

I've already explained this, votes on HK count for absolutely nothing since the mafia didn't know who he was.

And the vote from HK onto falcon just spews wolf onto the prior voters. Mac and Seanzie are dead, so it's either you or Dizzy.

The timing of HK's vote like immediately after your vote is also kind of a hilariously convenient

Uh... shouldn't Mizery be cleared for not knowing that since you are willing to clear porscha for the same thing?

Porscha derp-cleared with it, whereas this Mizery grasping at straws for a TR.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:09 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:02 pm I still think it’s Mizery. If her scum meta is that she lacks a town spark and doesn’t do anything, the last page of her iso has like 2 posts with content if I’m generous.

I can definitely see a Mizery wolf here too. She got me off of her on the basis of her not having a bussing meta.

But like, that's probably the single easiest type of meta-tell to break, since you just vote your teammate and call it a day.

Didn’t Mac or somebody say he’d seen her buss before?

Lol I've bussed before
I'm not saying that it's a trust tell and I will never bus and therefore if I vote off a wolf then I'm town

I'm saying I wasn't absent from the first half of d1 and was active when Falcon was getting votes and did absolutely nothing with the situation. I dropped a vote on Falcon and talked about everything but.

Another meta read for you:

You are very bad at deflecting trains off of your wolfmates. Probably the weakest part of your wolf game as I've seen you time and time again be teammates with wolves and you've yet to powerwolf a game off of them.

The claim that you "did nothing with the situation" is not clearing at all, and all it would take for you to bus Falcon is Falcon telling you to in wolf chat. Which HK's vote timing suggests happened with either you or Dizzy.

Either that or the case I made on DDL was 100% right and everyone told me he's in his town meta is 100% wrong.

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:54 pm I simply can't believe that lag sees me vote both flipped wolves regardless of them being 3p or not and push absolutely nothing else and not even try to defend them one bit and still think I'm a wolf with such certainty

I've already explained this, votes on HK count for absolutely nothing since the mafia didn't know who he was.

And the vote from HK onto falcon just spews wolf onto the prior voters. Mac and Seanzie are dead, so it's either you or Dizzy.

The timing of HK's vote like immediately after your vote is also kind of a hilariously convenient

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:09 pm

Lag wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:06 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:02 pm I still think it’s Mizery. If her scum meta is that she lacks a town spark and doesn’t do anything, the last page of her iso has like 2 posts with content if I’m generous.

I can definitely see a Mizery wolf here too. She got me off of her on the basis of her not having a bussing meta.

But like, that's probably the single easiest type of meta-tell to break, since you just vote your teammate and call it a day.

Didn’t Mac or somebody say he’d seen her buss before?

I said it, I've seen Mizery bus before. Not in a game I've played with her directly, but in games I've spectated where she was wolf she would bus.

I'm hard shielding literally everyone other than Dizzy and Mizery today, idc

If I'm wrong, I'll just blame you all for killing Arcbell post-game anyway

[VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

This is probably a hit more often than Dizzy is

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:02 pm I still think it’s Mizery. If her scum meta is that she lacks a town spark and doesn’t do anything, the last page of her iso has like 2 posts with content if I’m generous.

I can definitely see a Mizery wolf here too. She got me off of her on the basis of her not having a bussing meta.

But like, that's probably the single easiest type of meta-tell to break, since you just vote your teammate and call it a day.

I am also doubling down on the prior read that I don't think HK busses falcon without the other wolf being safely on the bus already.

Dizzy + Mizery are the two that were already voting on Falcon at the time of the HK vote

I wanted to kill DDL, I was overruled by half the town telling me he's in his town meta, followed by Dizzy + Mizery pushing for a DDL flashwagon only to chop Arcbell at the last second.
If DDL is mafia, I'm just giving him the win and telling you all that I told you so anyway.

I trust the derp-clear on Porscha. I trust my town-read on Jack's day 2 catch-up less, but now with F6 I can't PoE all of Jack, Mizery, and Dizzy. So Jack gets a pass.

Dizzy and Mizery can die though

I'm retiring

Arcbell wrote: ↑Wed Apr 20, 2022 7:06 pm Yeap I'm the wolf

I can never trust you again after this game, two games in a row now. Stop pocketing me with your mech talk - it's like the worst reason to get pocketed because most people wolf read it