The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:24 am GG all, this one definitely had some rough patches, but thanks for working through them.

Also thank you @Tilgarial for randing Marmot.

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:28 pm current votes

Alison - Ender, cham, santy, neon, nanook
cham - dya
dya - mac
milly - sean
rondo - illario, rondo
santy - alison

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:39 pm
If you're town the best thing to do is to vote Santy off. Since there's no way that Santy and you are both town, so...

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 5:27 pm I'm townreading both too.

I just think it's hard to visualize a world where Mac and Illario are both town and we don't get a wolf by D4.

It can happen (see finale) if they self destruct hard enough but I don't see evidence of that happening this game.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:47 pm Oh yeah and if we don't have a single pelt by D4 it is absolutely and completely guaranteed that there is a mafia between Mac and Illario. This is especially true if Tilgarial is town since he has been their shared punching bag.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:39 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:31 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:26 pm tilg I'll be honest I'm undecided on what you are. but I think pushing you for the not being to vote mechanic is bad

anything I did that makes you lean either way?
maybe something specific that makes it hard for you?

I think you're playing in a way that's harder to take fault with or call good solving. feels very middle of the road and I dont have meta with you to look at

what do you think of your play this game?

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:31 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:26 pm tilg I'll be honest I'm undecided on what you are. but I think pushing you for the not being to vote mechanic is bad

anything I did that makes you lean either way?
maybe something specific that makes it hard for you?

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:26 pm tilg I'll be honest I'm undecided on what you are. but I think pushing you for the not being to vote mechanic is bad

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:16 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:04 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:02 pm You are literally the least important person to spend energy solving right now.

it's not about solving me. it's about solving everybody else

no.

if I'm mafia, this would mean forcing my wolf buddies to choose a side and be accounted for
if I'm town, this means wolves need to come up with convincing reasoning either way they choose, and I don't believe they expected to need to be doing that today if me being unvotable is really a power of theirs

All fine and dandy, but people don't have unlimited time/solving energy. Spending it casing you is bad IMO. Others can do what they want, but I think this is an anti-town suggestion you've offered and I for one will not partake.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:04 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:02 pm You are literally the least important person to spend energy solving right now.

it's not about solving me. it's about solving everybody else

no.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:02 pm You are literally the least important person to spend energy solving right now.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 4:01 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:58 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:50 pm also, I had a sudden bout of regret for not doing it when I thought day was ending soon, so lets do it!

premise:
mafia chose to take away your choice to vote me.
this is likely for reasons people have said and that I think sound reasonable!
you don't like that. I don't like that either.
so let's do a little thing:
I wanna make myself a focus for the day by force!

let's divide thread into two sides.
Team Let's-Ml-Tilga-D3
and Team Let's-Not-Do-That

fun thing?
you can't exe me today anyways, so it doesn't matter too much which side you choose.
this is about reasoning & making yourself readable, and about not letting mafia choose what town does or doesn't get to do.

so to that effect, what I want from you is:

- Pick a side. either is fine.

- Explain why you picked the side you did. am I sus, why? am I not sus enough, why? am I town, why?

- Don't forget that you'll have to vote somebody out in 28 hours. you're welcome to use this and people's reasoning for that, but keep in mind it's not about which side people chose, it's about the reasoning they provide. town can be wrong, and mafia can be right!

- let's have fun. I'll be honest, I kinda enjoy this situation, even though this is most likely a super ego play right here. And regardless of what side you're on, we're currently playing a game together, so I hope you all are having fun too!

@Alison
@Belzy
@Chamomile
@dyachei
@EnderWiggin
@ilario
@Lilypetal
@MacDougall
@Millium
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Neon
@Porscha
@RondoDimBuckle
@santygrass
@Seanzie

ask me questions, chopose a side!
I'll be doing my best to get answers to any questions you have for me, even if I do not currently have them, so ask away. ask what you need to make your choice, ask what you want to know.
I firmly believe this is a pro-town move, even if I end up being the D3 exe.
Thank you for participating!

No.

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:50 pm also, I had a sudden bout of regret for not doing it when I thought day was ending soon, so lets do it!

premise:
mafia chose to take away your choice to vote me.
this is likely for reasons people have said and that I think sound reasonable!
you don't like that. I don't like that either.
so let's do a little thing:
I wanna make myself a focus for the day by force!

let's divide thread into two sides.
Team Let's-Ml-Tilga-D3
and Team Let's-Not-Do-That

fun thing?
you can't exe me today anyways, so it doesn't matter too much which side you choose.
this is about reasoning & making yourself readable, and about not letting mafia choose what town does or doesn't get to do.

so to that effect, what I want from you is:

- Pick a side. either is fine.

- Explain why you picked the side you did. am I sus, why? am I not sus enough, why? am I town, why?

- Don't forget that you'll have to vote somebody out in 28 hours. you're welcome to use this and people's reasoning for that, but keep in mind it's not about which side people chose, it's about the reasoning they provide. town can be wrong, and mafia can be right!

- let's have fun. I'll be honest, I kinda enjoy this situation, even though this is most likely a super ego play right here. And regardless of what side you're on, we're currently playing a game together, so I hope you all are having fun too!

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 3:00 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 2:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:51 pm

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Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:39 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:19 am @Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:20 am One part of me wants to just ignore Seanzie, but Im too much of a nice guy and totally dismiss their read on me would be rude methinks

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am Well, I'm not. So Skill Issue there

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:51 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:46 am

What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?

The way you treated your vote / approach feels natural atm, but its not something I can do much atm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:56 am To reply more to the approach part.

Feel like an approach that doesnt care to *explain* much why they think some stuff? And a kinda bold but not loud one.

I mostly refer to this with being kinda lurking and be obvious about it, how you vote but not make much of a push, and it feels *natural* because it is in lin with how you just put the colored list and also dont care to give explanations about ut.

So looking at the string of posts I see how the approach adds up and feels good, but not so much of how many is alignment indicative.

Like, the way you said 'I would vote santy rn' without voting me felt pretty based. And then you ended voting me. That felt kinda towny to me, but at the same time could be a misread and that just being your playstyle. Because at the end you are voting towm there /shrug

Read these posts and tell me this person does not know I'm town.

They are bending over backwards to find a way to cast my approach as "natural" without ever considering for a second that I'm a wolf trying to make them wolfprey.

"part of me just wants to ignore Seanzie" aka they do not consider my push on them possibly coming from a wolf, instead they just want to dismiss an incorrect townie.

"skill issue there" they do not consider that I could be purposefully reading them mafia to get them to flip, they only consider that I might be a wrong townie with a skill issue.

The final post I quote, almost every sentence is "Seanzie is townie, but I don't want to say that out loud".

They clearly know I'm town, and the fact that they do not include me in their towreads makes it so this is TMI.

@Lilypetal here. the perspective is quite comprehensive & to my eyes it looks like they actually believe this, so I'd be interested in what you think about this

also while scrolling through the ISO I saw them shielding Belzy. didn't read enough to figure out why/if it's still a thing, but it might interest you

It's interesting for sure. I'll keep this in mind ty

What do you think about it?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:58 pm damn tilg said i was a possible nk

what an honor

is that straight from wolfchat?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:58 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:39 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:34 pm whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

what do you think about porscha in general/in those quotes?

Porscha is south-of-null for me, but I don't feel so strongly about it that I'mma start canvasing for her elim.

I felt weird about the Porscha wagon as EoD was getting close yesterday and felt a bit better about Millium, but kind of think that if Millium is town, Porscha's wolf equity grows a lot.

As for those posts, I didn't think much about the at the time, but now I kind of think perhaps it could be wolf!Porscha trying not to draw my suspicion. She has usually had a good read on me in the past, being one of the few people who really caught me (and died for it) in my last wolf game, and usually finding me town, so it is possible she is bending over backwards to townread me there in order to not make me wonder why she is reading me wrong this game. If I put my confbias glasses on, the "????" kinda reeks of a wolf who is caught up via wolfchat (so no mention of masons in wolf chat -> surprised about me mentioning masons because they didn't read EoD1). I don't remember the other teal olored post and I am phone posting so meh no comment there.

So yeah, bad feelz about the Porscha wagon and general bad feelz about how EoD1 happened gives me pause, but on play Porscha doesn't look good. Still think solving Millium is the single thing that will do the most good though.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:56 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:14 pm I don't think we should use the not being able to vote tilg thing to say tilg is mafia. I think if you have an independent read there, fine, but not being able to vote there is not necessarily because tilg's a wolf

I think it is >>rand wolf because I think the poll ghoster would have claimed by now if they were town and mafia is way more likely to use their action on a scumbuddy.

But I have a scumread on Tilg independent of that anyway.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:54 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:49 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:35 am
1) Because you have to. There's no other viable nightkill.

2) You did nothing to influence the votes.

There's a lot of players here, and I'm not good at NKA/planning NK's, but I'd actually say it's relatively easy to come up with alternatives
you, for one, since you claim selfresolvable. mac, since they seem to be keeping the thread together somewhat and are townread enough. lily maybe, depending on how the thread actually reads that slot rn. pretty sure your current solve includes none of those? I dunno actually, but I hope your solve doesn't include yourself
and this is just what I can think of off of the top of my head, so meh

I'd say I voted aro at a pivotal point tbh. like yeah it was the wrong one, but I still very much claim responsibility for causing that cascade of votes there. had I voted porscha or millium there, both options that very much stood open to me - actually, if I were wolf!tilg, maybe even more than the aro vote - I could have put some more thread pressure on those wagons, and at the very least things would have developed very differently. Wolf!tilg would have also been in a position to defend aro there, actually, so I'd very much say that a wolf!tilg here directly chose to off both SPF and aro, which from my PoV doesn't make sense in part due to the very thing you bring up

(sorry for making wallposts)

It is silly to suggest Lily would be nightkilled over SPF unless there was mech in play. Mac and myself are possibilities but we had just spearheaded the aro exe while SPF did not. So she is strictly superior to us as an NK considering we all had similar reads.

I don't think your vote on aro was pivotal at all.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:52 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:51 am You are hard bussing Tilg who can not be yeeted and your Push on Porscha is close to non existent

I am currently the only person voting Porscha.

Why aren't you voting her?

If I'm scum bussing her then she flips red.

If you're wrong and I'm town then I'm probably correct about her.

Answer: because Porscha is your teammate and you want my green flip and not her red flip.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:51 pm

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Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:39 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:19 am @Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:20 am One part of me wants to just ignore Seanzie, but Im too much of a nice guy and totally dismiss their read on me would be rude methinks

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am Well, I'm not. So Skill Issue there

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:51 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:46 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:40 am Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .


So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh

What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?

The way you treated your vote / approach feels natural atm, but its not something I can do much atm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:56 am To reply more to the approach part.

Feel like an approach that doesnt care to *explain* much why they think some stuff? And a kinda bold but not loud one.

I mostly refer to this with being kinda lurking and be obvious about it, how you vote but not make much of a push, and it feels *natural* because it is in lin with how you just put the colored list and also dont care to give explanations about ut.

So looking at the string of posts I see how the approach adds up and feels good, but not so much of how many is alignment indicative.

Like, the way you said 'I would vote santy rn' without voting me felt pretty based. And then you ended voting me. That felt kinda towny to me, but at the same time could be a misread and that just being your playstyle. Because at the end you are voting towm there /shrug

Read these posts and tell me this person does not know I'm town.

They are bending over backwards to find a way to cast my approach as "natural" without ever considering for a second that I'm a wolf trying to make them wolfprey.

"part of me just wants to ignore Seanzie" aka they do not consider my push on them possibly coming from a wolf, instead they just want to dismiss an incorrect townie.

"skill issue there" they do not consider that I could be purposefully reading them mafia to get them to flip, they only consider that I might be a wrong townie with a skill issue.

The final post I quote, almost every sentence is "Seanzie is townie, but I don't want to say that out loud".

They clearly know I'm town, and the fact that they do not include me in their towreads makes it so this is TMI.

@Lilypetal here. the perspective is quite comprehensive & to my eyes it looks like they actually believe this, so I'd be interested in what you think about this

also while scrolling through the ISO I saw them shielding Belzy. didn't read enough to figure out why/if it's still a thing, but it might interest you

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:39 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:19 am @Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:20 am One part of me wants to just ignore Seanzie, but Im too much of a nice guy and totally dismiss their read on me would be rude methinks

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am Well, I'm not. So Skill Issue there

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:51 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:46 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:40 am Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .


So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh

What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?

The way you treated your vote / approach feels natural atm, but its not something I can do much atm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:56 am To reply more to the approach part.

Feel like an approach that doesnt care to *explain* much why they think some stuff? And a kinda bold but not loud one.

I mostly refer to this with being kinda lurking and be obvious about it, how you vote but not make much of a push, and it feels *natural* because it is in lin with how you just put the colored list and also dont care to give explanations about ut.

So looking at the string of posts I see how the approach adds up and feels good, but not so much of how many is alignment indicative.

Like, the way you said 'I would vote santy rn' without voting me felt pretty based. And then you ended voting me. That felt kinda towny to me, but at the same time could be a misread and that just being your playstyle. Because at the end you are voting towm there /shrug

Read these posts and tell me this person does not know I'm town.

They are bending over backwards to find a way to cast my approach as "natural" without ever considering for a second that I'm a wolf trying to make them wolfprey.

"part of me just wants to ignore Seanzie" aka they do not consider my push on them possibly coming from a wolf, instead they just want to dismiss an incorrect townie.

"skill issue there" they do not consider that I could be purposefully reading them mafia to get them to flip, they only consider that I might be a wrong townie with a skill issue.

The final post I quote, almost every sentence is "Seanzie is townie, but I don't want to say that out loud".

They clearly know I'm town, and the fact that they do not include me in their towreads makes it so this is TMI.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:39 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:34 pm whatever read the shitty post and tell me the teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

The teal colored posts arent w/w lmao

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:33 pm

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Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:01 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:49 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:49 am

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:42 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:40 am

Yeah it is

I love how people can just respond like this with a straight face
like everything is fine

if that is the case, what am I looking for in their posts to find their alignment

I'd recommend just checking if I have a pelt on D3 or not. If I do, you'll likely be able to tell it wasn't a bus, and so I'll be soft-cleared.

in catch up btw so i'm quite far behidn but

since how is this the best way to read you

I don't know if I fully understand what you're asking, but this has always been a good way to find me. There are other good ways too, but I usually have a pelt pretty early as town, and if I don't, I'm either wolf or wrong town, so killing me isn't necessarily bad.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:54 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:40 pm k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

I kinda hate your answers but based on the 1 game you wolfed against me I don't think wolf sean make these type of responses either, so

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:49 am

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:42 am

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:40 am

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:33 am is it common for Sean to post like this?

Yeah it is

I love how people can just respond like this with a straight face
like everything is fine

if that is the case, what am I looking for in their posts to find their alignment

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:42 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:33 pm can literally anyone explain to me why aro sr'd me past my read on lily

Was there any reason to not scumread you past that?

it's a BS reason to ride my ass for 25+ pages, undoubtedly without a doubt no shadow of a doubt

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:28 pm Could also vote Aro's mason partner.

?????

These read very w/w to me. I am pretty sure porscha is struggling to not TMI Seanzie as a wolf.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 8:10 pm The best way we can honour the memories of our fallen loved ones is to maintain a pleasant environment of caring for ourselves and each other.

Deep breaths.

Trolling and insulting, even jokingly, and chaos posting will provoke irrational responses from townies. Calm lines of questioning, an open mind and kindness in all things.

This is the way.

Namaste.

Please don't approach me with anything but warmth and love or I will deny you access to my being.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:17 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:52 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:37 am Think its discussion for D1 , but it was an empty sheep on an already hallow argument from spf.
You said the thing about forcing yourself to vote, and I confirmed that indeed it looked forced fmpov and I cant read that as towny

what about it was wolfy, though?
not towny =/= wolfy

agreed idc abt ur vote

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:05 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:02 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:56 am Also Tilg you aid something about acting on someone and maybe them giving that condition to you. Did you act on some of your sus or nah?

one of my targets was someone, where I wouldn't be too surprised if they're a wolf, but that's not really what I'm talking about
I meant more like a passive ability targeting people targeting you
which isn't /shouldn't be alignment limited?
but yes, I dunno how realistic it is, I'm not nearly good enough with mech to speculate about roles in a hidden power heavy setup

If they were town , seeing people lockwolf you for something that their role did and not say anything would be... Kinda crazy ngl. So I think it would be alignment indicative .
In the sense that I dont think it comes from town at least

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:01 pm

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:57 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:54 am The fact that I strongly think Lilypetal is town makes it wolfy

how?
like
explain it. at the time where lily had 5 posts, were you already thinking lily was town?
are you saying town never votes town?
neither of these seem reasonable to me, so I want to know what exactly it is you are suspecting me for.
also, as a sidenote, do you have other reasons, or is that the only one?

I think that a shallow vote= wolfy .
You had no good reasons to sheep there and still think that.

I weigh in my townread on Lily that its from later to solidify the read , so that vote is more wolfy knowing that.

That is the reason that made you appear on my radar as wolfy.

The EoD attitude I think its highly likely paired with one in Millum or Porscha because I felt like you were really insecure about who to vote, in a sense that felt more preoccupied in how it will look later rather than scumhunting

The role targeting you to make you unyeetable today is like the icing on the cake to me

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:56 am Also Tilg you aid something about acting on someone and maybe them giving that condition to you. Did you act on some of your sus or nah?

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:54 am The fact that I strongly think Lilypetal is town makes it wolfy

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:51 am You are hard bussing Tilg who can not be yeeted and your Push on Porscha is close to non existent

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:37 am Think its discussion for D1 , but it was an empty sheep on an already hallow argument from spf.
You said the thing about forcing yourself to vote, and I confirmed that indeed it looked forced fmpov and I cant read that as towny

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:35 am
1) Because you have to. There's no other viable nightkill.

2) You did nothing to influence the votes.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:31 am

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:30 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:27 am More than 'I wasnt an obv yeet' I think it looks bad because is super -ev using a role like that on town for mafia.
Because if you are town, they are literally removing a misyeet candidate and make it more likely for another mafia to get yeeted

...for today, yes. what about tomorrow? if this makes me an "outed wolf", then I'm the obvious yeet tomorrow, no?
is that really -ev for mafia, then?

Yes. Because you could be self solvable or towny it up this day. Mafia dont have control over that

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:30 am You are projecting Alison .

Speaking of which.

@Tilgarial @Alison what are your reads on dya and seanzie?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:29 am You two can stop the theatre it isn't convincing anyone.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:28 am

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:27 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:25 am

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:14 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:07 am

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:02 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:34 pm

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

you're... kinda stretching logic?
I don't know what SPF's actual stance on me was, to be fair, but simply from what you're saying
aro wolf -> town tilg =/= aro town -> wolf tilg in terms of the reasoning you're presenting here

My reasoning was that
Spf voted you at one point.
But also said that she didnt believe you and aro were partners.
Aro flipping town made it likely that spf would reeval you fmpov

okay. I'll be honest, I don't know what SPF would have done. I don't know them nearly well enough to make that assumption/argue about it
but why are you sheeping those reads? what about them makes you think they are good reads?

Dont you think that the fact that mafia killed them makes it worth to at least look at their reads?

Like, what is this question

well
my stance to sheeping is very much "sheep the read, not the player"
so I'm asking you what about these reads seem sheepable to you. is the reasoning good? did you just like that they exist?

Based on the fact that I was scumleaning you because of your Lily vote.
And that spf reasoning had that involved.

You think I wouldn't sheep that? What is the point of this questioning?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:27 am The flip makes you look bad because Aro had you in his POE, you are the last surviving member of Aro/SPF/Tilg which has been logically theorized to contain a mafia and the other two have flipped town, and in a world where Aro and Wisp are both town you are one of the top suspects for eating popcorm as T/T wagons get run up.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:27 am More than 'I wasnt an obv yeet' I think it looks bad because is super -ev using a role like that on town for mafia.
Because if you are town, they are literally removing a misyeet candidate and make it more likely for another mafia to get yeeted

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:25 am

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:14 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:07 am

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:02 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:32 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:31 pm

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

you're... kinda stretching logic?
I don't know what SPF's actual stance on me was, to be fair, but simply from what you're saying
aro wolf -> town tilg =/= aro town -> wolf tilg in terms of the reasoning you're presenting here

My reasoning was that
Spf voted you at one point.
But also said that she didnt believe you and aro were partners.
Aro flipping town made it likely that spf would reeval you fmpov

okay. I'll be honest, I don't know what SPF would have done. I don't know them nearly well enough to make that assumption/argue about it
but why are you sheeping those reads? what about them makes you think they are good reads?

Dont you think that the fact that mafia killed them makes it worth to at least look at their reads?

Like, what is this question

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:24 am

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:22 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:10 am

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:09 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:06 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:04 am Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

what game mechanics? that I can't be voted?

I deduced that it was almost certainly a mafia effect yes.

alright. from my PoV, that doesn't hold up, because it's not my action. although, I'd actually agree that somebody being unvotable is a very sus thing, so I understand this PoV somewhat.
but I still very much think I can clear up the sus on me, so for what reason would I want that? was I actually at a point where I was suspicious enough to be basically the guaranteed D2 exe, or at least likely enough to put a target like that on my back?
actually, when I talk about it like that, it does really sound like a mafia power
just, used on town to make them look worse
not sure how much of that comes from me knowing I'm town though, so meh

The flip made you look really bad so yes I think you would have been run up if you had not been removed from the poll.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:20 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:06 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:04 am Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

Setting up lynches

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:10 am

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:09 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:06 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:04 am Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

what game mechanics? that I can't be voted?

I deduced that it was almost certainly a mafia effect yes.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:07 am

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:02 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:32 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:31 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:36 pm [VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

you're... kinda stretching logic?
I don't know what SPF's actual stance on me was, to be fair, but simply from what you're saying
aro wolf -> town tilg =/= aro town -> wolf tilg in terms of the reasoning you're presenting here

My reasoning was that
Spf voted you at one point.
But also said that she didnt believe you and aro were partners.
Aro flipping town made it likely that spf would reeval you fmpov

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:06 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:05 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:04 am Santygrass has now joined Wisp in the "either mafia or mafiasiding" tier. Bye for now.

Look back at your D1 then. Explain your progression on Tilg

Tilg did townie things D1 so I townread him. Later on he was outed by a combination of the flip and game mechanics so I scumread him. It is not difficult to understand.

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 11:02 am @Tilgarial
Why can't u be voted?

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:34 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:32 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:31 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:36 pm [VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

Spf specifically said that if aro flip scum then it would make Tilg town. Like , she was taking into account the sheeping of the lily vote too irt to Tilgarial. I think it washighly likely that spf went for Tilg .

Aro also said Tilg was one of their suspects iirc


Also, I am hard townreading you since EoD 1 for the derp and I think you arent mafia /?

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 10:19 am

Spoiler: show

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:18 am I think that if Alison is town almost always one in Ender/nook should be mafia tbh.

So like, if you want to be more fair and without bias from my own read.
Nanook/ender/alison doesnt feel like a pure group so solving in there might be good

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:38 am

Spoiler: show

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:40 pm My role gives me a bonus if I have no vote at EOD. Therefore I will not be voting in the poll. I will not be claiming exact details or flavor in order to avoid a soupkill. I will still use the vote tags to indicate my strongest suspicion.

Anyway Rondo is mafia.

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:52 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:00 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:41 pm Milium town Seanzie town.

Why am I town?

You are out of your scum range.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:53 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:06 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:41 pm Milium town Seanzie town.

I think ur probably town but can you explain these two reads ?

See above for Seanzie.

Milium is town because they are a completely fresh face in the middle of an extremely insular playerlist that all know each other and have lots of experience with each other and still come off as the most relaxed and comfortable person in the thread.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:54 pm I rescind my townread on Seanzie because he didn't get offended enough when I said he was out of his scum range.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:56 pm Rondo is being reasonable and townie and solvey which means he is lock mafia.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:58 pm Just to be clear I have a bonus if I don't vote but I can still vote if I want so if voting is more important than getting the bonus (eg. tie between me and my scumread and I need to self pres) I will.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:54 pm Wisp is town clearing me for claiming my role in post 1?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:58 pm Okay well that's weird and suspicious because I don't think Wisp's knowledge of me should lead him to do that.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 11:59 pm @Millium Haven't you seen me do bold fakeclaims before?

Alison SoD I think was the towniest by far in regards to how they were giving reads and that sort of stuff. Even if alison is a wolf their SoD was the more pro-villa one with how they were just putting their reads out there imo
Also I think likely unpaired with Wisp

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:41 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:06 pm Currently at the Neon post.

Aro
Wisp
Seanzie
Neon
Rondo

My scumreads

Mac shielding Aro and Rondo

I trust Mac so take the other three as my immediate POE

There are good odds that this is all town fwiw.
Is alison a power-wolfy type of player?
Like, I only see from there rondo or Seanzie being Wolves. And if Porscha is a wolf f.e, then I think Rondo is less likely. Same stuff in W!dya V!seanzie scenarios .

Or maybe Rondo is mafia there and they are using Mac shield too tbh

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:43 am Btw the power-wolfy type of player I need answered by people who know Alison because if not I think usually a list with various names as PoE without any wolf I usually indicate it more towards lack of TMI tbh

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:47 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 2:13 pm SPF progression on Illario was decent

Tilgarial feels like they're working alone.

Townleans for both.

@Alison is this your first time playing with Tilg btw? Have you read champs sf2 or finale?

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:49 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:33 pm Millium, Porscha, Santy, Lily, Aro.

Of those with votes, these are the wagons I can tolerate.

Aro and Millium are both a step above in preference (ie. I want them dead more).

Here are minimum 4 Town too btw.

I think Porscha likely a wolf there but Idrc them pushing Porscha or going there ? We'll see later in the ISO i guess.

But anyways Alison is super off irt to reads and its worrying

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:51 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:49 am

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:18 am I think that if Alison is town almost always one in Ender/nook should be mafia tbh.

So like, if you want to be more fair and without bias from my own read.
Nanook/ender/alison doesnt feel like a pure group so solving in there might be good

Why?

Because doesnt feel like town violenece onto Alison at all imo. I dont vibed much with the way Alison was pushed maybe.

But now I am rereading and vibing less with alison as a whole so on hold

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:52 am And also like, the way alison reacted to the push maybe add onto my feeling that it isnt full of Villa's there?

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:55 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:06 pm Porscha is an ok exe. Would prefer Wisp or Aro but this is fine.

Wowee post if Porscha is mafia

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:12 pm I feel apathetic because I am set in my reads and short of someone towning it up super hard or outing themselves I doubt I'll change them. Everything I am reading has made me more and more certain in those reads. I know it is confbias but I love being confbiased so that's fine.

I'm not gonna vote unless it's a really dire situation. So there's not much point in me sitting around here arguing with people for the next 7 hours especially since the current wagons are very okay with me anyway. I'm just going to do what Nook does and post my reads and then chill. Ping me if someone towns it up super hard or outs themselves. I will probably check in in the last few minutes just in case I need to self pres or if the wagons are tied between Mac and Aro or something silly.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: Lilypetal, EnderWiggin, Porscha, santygrass
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Rondo, Neon
Shrug: dyachei, Chamomile, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

If you're not on here it means you're meh.

And like .. if Porscha/Tilg are indeed W/W , this amount of wolfsiding of Alison is crazy LOL

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:28 pm There is about an 80% chance that I will be mechanically locked town by D2. It's not deterministic since there's potential stuff that could mess with it (esp in a closed setup) but it exists. So if there's a doctor or similar they should be on me.

Displeased that nook voted Alison still smh

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:26 pm Actually I'm going to drop some respect to Lily and trust her Santy shield.

Lower POE (more scummy): arogame, Millium
Upper POE: EnderWiggin, Porscha, Rondo
I scumread but Mac is shielding and I trust him: Neon
I scumread by Lily is shielding and I trust her: Santygrass
Shrug: dyachei, Nanook
Town: Belzy, SPF, Seanzie, Lilypetal, Chamomile
Confident town: Illario, MacDougall, Tilgarial

This is a bit better cuz they moved a kinda PoE slot to town and trusted a shield on another town player, that goes a bit against the PowerWolf Alison Perspective I was making ik my head while thinking of how W!Alison approached this game

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:02 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:37 pm SPF could you explain your votes on me and then Tilg? Do you genuinely think those are the most likely to flip mafia?

Standing Emoji

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:39 pm Flipping Porscha is a win win because she has the most entertaining reactions when she is wrongfully killed for no reason so even if she is town we get some value out of it.

OTOH we should vote the guy that is actually mafia if we want to win.

This is a lowkey shield on Porscha fwiw

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:41 pm I expect Porscha to catch at least 2 wolves by D3 if we let her live.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:43 pm Voters: Millium, arogame123, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, EnderWiggin, ilario

Two lock wolves, a permanent memver of the POE, a top town, and a shrug slot.

Catch me on this wagon never.

Okay I am turning a new leaf

[VOTE: Alison ] aubergine

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:08 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:54 pm I just got a clarification for my role, it's not that I get a bonus if I don't vote, I get a bonus if nobody votes for me

jeez

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:54 pm Nobody is allowed to vote me now or town loses a PR

I still kinda townread the derp. But looking at Alison reads and people stating that Alison tends to fakeclaims I am not going to weigh that much fwiw. At least not so much looking at the Tilg confident townread or the lowkey shield on Porscha. Or how they talked to spf with why they voted her / Tilg.
Like, that post explains quite a bit why spf was killed and perfectly makes sense in a world where Alison is worried about the spf godreads tbh

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:18 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:56 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:54 pm I just got a clarification for my role, it's not that I get a bonus if I don't vote, I get a bonus if nobody votes for me

jeez

[VOTE: Millium] aubergine

Intresting. Well my mech town read is gone now lol

Don't worry if everything goes right you'll have me as mech town by tomorrow anyway.

@Alison are you 3p? Like ffs you should be more salty at nook for their vote. Specially considering that you said your role was clearing, and you are okay with being a wagon?
Like I expect you to say 'get off me stop throwing I can clear myself easily' but you not boosting that or using it as much makes me think it isnt clearing and you were being performative.
So I would like for you to expand on what is your approach to your wagon and what do you think of your role

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:03 pm Wisp has just moved from "top scumread" to "policy exe".

This read didnt hold up.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:23 pm Ok I did an ISO of dyachei and now I think they should be in the upper POE because I didn't like their approach to Seanzie. Asked me why I was townreading him, I gave a strong meta reason which Illario +1'd, and they didn't seem to take that into account at all... plus their suspicion of him stays even after he demonstrated the behaviors that they were suspecting him for not demonstrating. Such as having strong opinions on who is mafia.

The rest of their posts are shrug. Flat one liners that don't move me much one way or the other. If it wasn't for the Seanzie thing I might well come back and still have a shrug read on them.

If we think Dya/Seanzie is a diff check. I think the wolf is most likely Seanzie in a W!alison world . My thoughts just looking at the ISO tbh.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:31 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:27 pm Personally I would vote Wisp even if he's town because he's a liability.

And if he flips town, how does that change your perspective?

Chamomile moves into my lock towns, and I have a long talk with you. Then I start hunting for who I miscleared on the Wisp wagon.

I think the approach alison was stating near EoD like... Didnt hold up at all today? And makes me lean more into it being fake.
Like, I dont remember alison pressuring much Wisp at all and its just keeping them in sidelines tbh

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:54 pm What reason do you have to suspect Tilg?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:55 pm Tilg has treated me in an incredibly townie way.

Standing Emoji. The amount of confidence in the Tilg read is lynch worthy.
Because they either
A)Havent played with Tilg before so they shouldn't have this confidence
B)Have played/spectated Tilg before and should know that their reasons for clearing Tilg are bad ones IMO

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:25 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:13 pm

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:06 pm According to you voting out a town Wisp would immediately out half the mafia team when people aren't willing to follow you on them... why are you reluctant about it?

Bruh, I don’t vote my tr to prove a point.

It’s a win/win because either wisp dies due other people voting him and then whoever is town on the wagon will realize or, Porscha dies and likely flips mafia which will change a lot of people’s minds as well lol.

Like a Porscha flip also helps people realize that wisp is likely town based on gamestate thread with voting movemengs

hahahaha no

if porscha flips mafia I am gonna shoot wisp in the night regardless. He is a liability and must be killed

Alison felt SO strongly about Wisp and I feel like Alison didnt tackle or pushed Wisp today and I think that is kinda outing ngl.
In a sense that the perspective Alison puts in the thread doesnt holds up + wolfsiding

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:27 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:29 pm

Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:16 pm

Chamomile wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:14 pm @Millium give someone a gift to not vote you and vote Alison unless she unvotes you

Actually vote Alison unless she votes Porscha.

I have hard claimed that I have a powerful townsided PR that is unlocked through me not getting any votes.

Anyone who votes me is essentially outing as scum... so if Millium votes me I'm going to vote him 10x as much and see it as a last ditch effort for scum to try to take away a town PR while going down.

Alison not slapping nanook for their actions, or signal boosting this irt to their wagon today, just makes its far more likely that it was indeed a fake claim.

Nook was right all along and I had the skill issue !?!?
Stop this I want to leave

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:32 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:26 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:24 pm also alison the only reason i wasnt burying aro with you and mac earlier is because i wasn't here. i was pinged by his posts in the last few pages the moment that i actually read him

Ok i trust u

I will be shot tonight so if spf is mafia this is just me giving her the usual d1 pass and u are all bad for not listening to my warnings to make her do stuff

If she is town i was right to trust her

I think these type of posts + them kinda bothering spf for not being there and 'burying wolves' just speaks to me as Alison clearly being wary of spf this game LOL

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:36 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:07 pm Good evening. EnderWiggin is now my strongest mafia read.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:07 pm Porscha, Santy also good exes. I'll give Nook a day.

Also. Seeing this I would say that Alison had their vote on Porscha most of the day. And its a point against tha PowerWolfy Alison with Tilg/Porscha as partners.

But like, I dont recall them doing much to push Porscha? Idk I'll keep reading onto this day.

And also, good odds of Nook/Cham being a difference check too in a W!Alison world just because they treated them like night and day Lol .
Cham> Outed scum you should die
Nook> Weh nook thing. I'll give him a pass today

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:50 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:17 pm why is cham very likely town btw al?

I don't know if they're very likely town but I am very open to the possibility that they are.

Reasons would include:

1) I think Porscha is likely to be mafia and Cham wanted us to kill Porscha.
2) Wisp is more likely to be town (shielded hard by Aro + a significant reason to scumread Wisp, ie. the tag teaming with Aro and other assorted partnery interactions, is gone), and Cham wanted to shield Wisp.
3) Aro thought Cham was town (iirc, correct me if wrong).

This progression on Wisp doesnt feel right /shrug.
Or at least it rubs me as not expected from alison reading how strongly they felt about Wisp D1 lol.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:23 pm I have a townread on dya because I thought their EOD treatment of Aro isn't as likely to come from a mafia.

Idk I think I missed the quote, but later Alison said that they didnt had a strong read on dya when Mac asked. Thats prob a non w/w treatment lf dya fwiw , because Alison could easily try to slide this specific read to throw light onto a partner .

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:32 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:31 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 3:36 pm [VOTE: Tilg ] aubergine

Naked vote scary and menacing. Tilga was FROZEN and CRYING in wolfchat and went for the kill

She naked vote me before this. Why aren't you suspecting me?

When I asked her about the naked votes she said she was just vote hopping to random people and will eventually just vote with her townreads. Why do you think Tilg felt threatened?

In hindsight bolded feels like an... Obtuse question? Like, the reason is obvious that a wolf would feel threatened by a player voting them . And I reached to sus both of you in the end so you were kinda right in the end alison hmmyes

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:36 pm Tilg being on both SPF and Aro scum lists is a bad look for them.

Bye bye the confident townread. Never talked about it again when thread started suspecting Tilg. Their read on tilg was FAKE

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:07 pm I do agree that you should be permitted to attempt to mech self resolve yourself and that you were disallowed that on day 1 was a misplay.

There's a random element to my role which means I only self resolve 80%ish of the time (plus minus some % in case there's role shenanigans at play) but 80% is a pretty big number so if you want to policy me if the 20% hits I don't mind. Since that would be a pretty unlucky scenario and I'd have to play as someone who failed to self resolve for the rest of the game... I don't mind a policy in that case.

Alison is... So quiet about this. Like ffs if I were in their shoes I would be screaming at town for misplaying and not just let me resolve? Like wtf Mac even signals it too and she just 'agrees' and even says its okay to be policied or something?
Feels less and less genuine lol

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:54 pm Porscha is probably volume tell outed

This is the most aggro post irt to Porscha. Compare how Alison is treating Porscha/Tilg to how they were pushing Wisp and aro yesterday and its kind of night and day tbh .

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:05 pm @Alison if you had 3 dayvigs who do you flip for max mafia death potential?

Tilg Porscha Santy

Be surprised if that doesn't yield a ripe harvest of pelts

I agree with this tbh. But Alison even tho it seems to be on the correct read of Tilg/Porscha isnt pushing much for it at all and only seems like a standby vote on Porscha.
Also smh killing me you bish die

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:53 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:35 pm My logic is that Cham is committing suicide if they were mafia but not if they were playing to an alt win con. Like look at how they have played. D1 they went all in defending Wisp. D2 they went all in attacking me. They are playing to an agenda that does not seem dictated by the natural desires and boundaries that a mafia operates by and they clearly don't give a shit about self pres.

I have bigger fish to fry than them. You think I am more of an OMGUSer than I actually am.

I think this most often than not is a read that comes from a scum mindset tbh.
And like, I am not even sure its clearing for Cham and could be easily be W/W theater lol. But I'll think about that later

Putting my posts about Alison ISO in one post, for easy referencing purposes. And pelt purpose ofc .

@Tilgarial lmk your thoughts on it when you have time