The Syndicate

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 9:52 pm Hiii I've been at Friendsgiving wtf is happening rn I have eight minutes

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:18 pm @Lime Coke sanity check me on my long con read

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:32 am lime coke is probably my top town after skimming some of his more recent stuff, not sure if ill be able to catch up by today but if i cant ill probably just be his double voter until i can get more time to sort this out for myself

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:37 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:35 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:30 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:57 am Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

I agree with the cape tr i just need to tr him, don't have luxury to consider chopping him imo. We have room for 1 mistake only

I don't exactly know what this means considering your readslist a day ago looked like

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:44 pm DM
tutuu

Long Con
PSV

Scotty
Alexy

Cape
Lime Coke

Wilgy
Delta

this

Yeah and?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 2:52 pm lol, Delta's fine, but if they flip anything other than scum can we yeet Tutuu off a cliff?

they fr didn't ack any of the things I had to say about them, was like 'I'll case wilgy' and then 'oh wow, I cased wilgy and they came back scum!'

All seems very reactionary/premeditated and slightly omgusy as they seemed to ignore what I had to say about them being suspect last cycle. Not to mention it's just silly.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 11:30 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:57 am Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

I agree with the cape tr i just need to tr him, don't have luxury to consider chopping him imo. We have room for 1 mistake only

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:44 pm DM
tutuu

Long Con
PSV

Scotty
Alexy

Cape
Lime Coke

Wilgy
Delta

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 7:15 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 4:32 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:56 pm Glad I did that real quick, I feel more acquainted with the game once again.

In terms of the VCA based PoE of Scotty > Cape > Brad, I don't know how accurate that is. I have a fleeting memory of it being Scotty who proposed Ilario suspicion earlier on D2?

Things for me to check when it's not turkey time: Scotty's position on PSV in spite of Ilario suspicion and the incorrect vote.

Cape's poor vote record.

PSV's position of 'just town based on VCA'

Ignore the binary ‘who voted whom’ for a sec.

I made a full case against ilario; begged others to go there, no one bit, said 20 min before eod that my ideal lynch would be ilario, left to make dinner, ilario was suddenly a wagon.

So…I should be towncore. But I’m not, because everyone e else couldn’t make their minds up

I dig it. Like I said, I just need to validate this was really the case.

As it stands Confident PoE is cape and brad. Not confident PoE is you and Tutuu.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:54 pm 1 in Brad, Tutuu, Cape

PSV has town equity based on Ilario D1

Scotty looks pretty bad d1 being on PSV

Ilario wagon looks pure based on PSV's equity

Cape and Scotty continue looking bad being on LC

Brad minor equity being on PSV with a 3p and Ilario, PSV continues to be town

Scotty wagon was at least 'pure'

JUST VCA in isolation, Scotty > Cape > Brad

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 2:56 pm Glad I did that real quick, I feel more acquainted with the game once again.

In terms of the VCA based PoE of Scotty > Cape > Brad, I don't know how accurate that is. I have a fleeting memory of it being Scotty who proposed Ilario suspicion earlier on D2?

Things for me to check when it's not turkey time: Scotty's position on PSV in spite of Ilario suspicion and the incorrect vote.

Cape's poor vote record.

PSV's position of 'just town based on VCA'

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:03 pm @Alexy @Cape90 @DarlingMonroe @potentialsheltervet

Can y'all do me a solid and vote out Scotty with me, please?

Would be highly appreciated.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:02 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:00 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 10:59 pm It's okay Tutuu just give me G2H who you think you vote the most today I'll try to help you with that.

Scotty or alexy should be optimal for today, i laid out a ton of arguments at sod, i couldnt catch a chance to even read scottys responses tho, i saw he replied to 5 things

I think I go Scotty more than likely at that rate the redirector claim and then absolutely 0 good results coming out of it feels bad.

Alexy might still be town IMO.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 12:29 pm Alexy
Alexy has had many moments this game not being in the know on a lot of posts.
The good:

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:44 pm I don't know how much I'm going to be around today so since I'm on folks' poe I don't want you to waste time on that. I'm a town watcher. I had 2 opportunities to watch someone during separate night phases. Night 1 I watched psv, and Scotty had visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con and nobody visited him. The latter is the same night I got the extra vote placed on me for today.

Unprompted watcher claim
-admitted to having an extra vote placed on him as tutuu did N1. If we believe that to be a mafia ability….that’s a good look

Alexy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:44 pm I don't know how much I'm going to be around today so since I'm on folks' poe I don't want you to waste time on that. I'm a town watcher. I had 2 opportunities to watch someone during separate night phases. Night 1 I watched psv, and Scotty had visited her. Night 2 I watched Long Con and nobody visited him. The latter is the same night I got the extra vote placed on me for today.

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 12:16 am Monroe.

I presume they're well townread over in here, no?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:44 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 5:39 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:42 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:28 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:09 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?

I think he's SCUMMY.

Actually no but yeah I think he's possible mafia and I could see him bussing at that time because he's got a tendency to do so when he's backed into a corner as mafia.

Odd post

Even post

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 11:53 am

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:57 am Also where does everyone stand on Cape90? Everything reads them as town all-around?

Again, Lime is my biggest pings, but my reads have been far from 100% (let’s just say that). So im hesitant to try and persuade anyone.

PSV, Wilgy, Tutuu, I need yalls take pleaseeee

I know you didn’t ask me but I’m a talker.

I need to reassess Cape- my townread of him is tenuous and linked most to ilario’s posts. I could be turning a blind eye- my initial townread is because of the following:
-ilario claims to be good at reading cape D1
-throughout day 1, he makes comments that fulfill this claim and reads him as bad
-votes cape early and dips
-Day 2, never again talks about cape

Now, could that be soft voting for his partner who probably wouldn’t go over that day so he could have town equity in case cape did go over? Yeah. This was a big reason in me finding ilario scummy, and not as much a defense for cape, so I’ll iso him separately

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 11:42 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:28 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 10:09 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Why rush for the Wilgy vote? What do you think about Scotty + Alexy?

I think he's SCUMMY.

Actually no but yeah I think he's possible mafia and I could see him bussing at that time because he's got a tendency to do so when he's backed into a corner as mafia.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:48 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2023 1:46 pm Sorry I am very likely to be like... hardly here for today, maybe the next day

Fun times

That’s fine- it’s a holiday for most folks anyway.

For most folks that DONT WANT TO SOLVE THE GAME!

nah, it’s all good. I’m expecting more news towards end of Thursday anyway when someone dies in the other thread

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:27 pm Delta claimed he has two possible wincons - survive and three different types of correct guesses on who gets chopped in both threads. He claimed that even if he dies, he can still win with the second wincon. If Delta was truthful he has no reason to not claim instantly, and immediately start giving us info on the other thresd. He loses nothing, he doesn't even need to be alive as claimed by him. Even if he is 3p he is lying about something, his play doesn't make sense for it to be truthful

His play being:

-hide the fact that hes 3p and pretend to be town out of survival, when he doesnt even need to survive

-choose to not immediately tell us mech info about other thread from day 1, when making friends with town sounds good for him to achieve wincon and to be left alone

-try to discourage people from voting him "zzz boring, lame, wagon on me stagnant" while claiming and pretending he doesn't need to be alive to win

Like sure, Delta could be 3p but I'm really confident he's lying about something. Chopping a person who claims town over chopping a person who claims non-town is an unnecessary risk. At worst chopping Delta we just lose a 3p that was never on our side, at worst chopping anyone else flips us a town and then we're further behind.

Unless we wanna argue Delta should be alive until the end of the game, I would argue it's optimal to resolve him asap and read his flip. It might help for the other players too, given that Delta claimed a PR and most if us are VTs

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 1:36 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 5:55 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:54 pm [VOTE: Ilario] aubergine sure

this is a towny vote

depending on PSV's flip, Long Con's self pres is towny

So more likely then not Long Con is towny here

On paper I thought so too, but check out Tutuu’s case here

It’s certainly

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:43 pm I completely forgot about Cape. Oh well, I'm not too concerned, I don't think he's endgaming if he's wolf here.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:46 pm Anyway, looking at ilario’s iso and suspicions- I already covered this in my case on why he was scum, but I’ll go over the tl;dr -

Ilario said he could basically godread cape on D1, makes a progression where he finds cape suspicious; and votes there.
Come Day 2, he never mentioned cape again. And early votes psv. Super weird,

Which reminds me- Cape looks REAL good for this tidbit. PSV looks REAL good for this.

New town core:
-Wilgy
-psv
-Cape
-DarlingMonroe
-me


We looking good, y’all. Could a 3p be lurking in the town core? Absolutely. This just means to me that ilario isn’t teamed with those players unless he is a masochist who busses and loves to be bussed like a

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 8:52 pm Workday Two Poll

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Workday Two
Poll ended at Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:00 pm


Alexy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Cape90
0
No votes
Voters: None
DarlingMonroe
0
No votes
Voters: None
Delta
1
7%
Voters: tutuu
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
ilario
4
27%
Voters: DrWilgy, potentialsheltervet, Long Con, Jackofhearts2005
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
Lime Coke
0
No votes
Voters: None
Long Con
3
20%
Voters: DarlingMonroe, Cape90, Scotty
potentialsheltervet
3
20%
Voters: ilario, Delta, Lime Coke
Scotty
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None
No elimination
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote / Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
Follow the Handbook. (non-players)
4
27%
Voters: S~V~S, MacDougall, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella
Total votes: 15

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:40 pm

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tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:46 pm viewtopic.php?t=2545

In this game wilgy was wolves with guillo

here is what happened EoD1:

viewtopic.php?p=1068080#p1068069

please look at this vote count and follow closely at the vote jumps, day ends a few posts below @Long Con @Scotty

guillo had 3 votes. me(town) had 3 votes. pyxxy(town) had 3 votes. wilgy is voting pyxxy

next vote count its 4-4 between me and guillo. wilgy is still on pyxxy, alone

day ends in a 5-5 tie, with wilgy voting guillo

wilgy could have easily not voted, or voted me, and gotten away with it

he also didnt see zenon's last vote shift to me. or he could have. in either way:

1) wilgy saw zenon voting me. it was 5-4 between me and his scum partner. he chose to tie up his partner

2) wilgy didnt see zenon voting me. he thought it was 4-4 between me and his scum partner. he chose to hammer the nail on his scum partner

wilgy is capable of doing egregious busses as wolf

i wouldn't townread him for voting ilario there

and the reason why i scumread him is because

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:33 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:46 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:44 pm vote delta
for a
free
win

what kind of black magic is this?

Why are YOU voting me?

It felt that you were being kept at -1 somewhat forcibly while at the same time I mostly tr the players on you.

>>>Between you and psv, I think both may need to resolve.<<<

lc senior and psv are most likely both town so the bolded part is a crime against humanity. he was also trying to kill me. that's 3/3 town. yes he voted ilario and yes he voted delta but his heart wasnt in it. wilgy is an egregious busser

Noted. I am kinda weirded out that you have this ready to case against Wilgy, but this is a possibility I am considering.

Moving Wilgy to

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:58 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:00 pm MacDougall has been removed from the game.

nutella has been removed from the game.

robyn has been removed from the game by the host by request. Please do not publicly discuss or speculate about this one.

Workday Two continues.

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@Alexy
@Cape90
@DarlingMonroe
@Delta
@DrWilgy
@ilario
@Jackofhearts2005
@Lime Coke
@Long Con
@potentialsheltervet
@Scotty
@tutuu

lol bruh robyn was the reason i joined this since they asked me to

ilario joined this game specifically for robyn yet completely ignored robyn's lock wolf read on delta

if you like someone enough to join games for them speficially you are bound to respect their reads

there is no reason for ilario to not vote town!delta there, he can easily get away with it

ilario ignoring robyn about delta can mean one thing only

@Scotty @Long Con

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 9:54 pm [VOTE: Ilario] aubergine sure

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 4:52 pm FWIW, I don't know if I've ever SEEN Delta play a game like this before. It's not like W Delta nor like T Delta, it's very middling and I can half see where Delta was playing to a neutral. HOWEVER, that's probably easily fakable.

So still, it remains kinda a

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2023 5:59 pm Ignore delta please

That is an

1) overly convoluted claim, which doesnt fit Jay's design in comparison to the other very simple roles - VTs, goon, mason, role that puts a vote on player

2) 3p survivor Delta has no reason not to claim at the start of the game

Entertaining his antics is just distracting. He's not town, he claimed it himself. We don't care about non-town

I think more productive use of time is to discuss the other wolf

Does anyone have disagreements with my Wilgy case?

May we talk about Wilgy please? Or Alexy and Like Coke that's fine too

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:06 am @Lime Coke Can I ask you to vote Delta, just in case of vote manipulation shenanigans?

@Cape90 Hi, I don't think you posted today, I could have missed it. What's up?

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:17 pm power skimmed the top wagons, dont think LC is a hit. shervet is someone iirc nutella bringing up in her iso so i could see myself ending up there. I said id be a lime coke double voter today but i still dont feel good about being on a wagon with cape so that cancels out

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:52 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:05 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:27 pm "uhhh why are we having a semantics argument?" We're not. You are receiving a correction for being disingenuous.

disingenuous because Scotty said concerned and not concern? Would it make u look any better if Scotty said concern and not concerned here??? I am confused because to me it really doesn't do anything for you/Scotty saying concerned doesn't make you look worse to me?

I think you missed the post where I explained it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:17 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 3:59 am Out of the """major"""" wagons, I would choose Long Con > Delta > PSV in terms of where I am at.

Agree with this. Only would vote Delta because Robyn’s opinion, which has not been explained anyway. I don’t see anything particularly wolfy about Delta’s

robyn wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:53 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:49 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:27 pm Eh
Questions for the crowd:
- For those who switched to Porscha; what inspired the change?
- General thoughts coming out of EOD?
&
- Where are people at roughly with their thoughts?
I feel like things were quiet as is but without Nutella pushing things forward, its. More quiet. So whenever someone does check in I'd appreciate a response to these ^^

I switched to Porscha pretty close to EOD, when they were ahead of second place by 5-3, my vote making it 6-3. My vote wasn't changing the results anyway, but I hopped on because I felt like it, I guess.

My thoughts are that PSV is a Wolf, and I'm voting that way, and I'd be fine with others doing the same.

Noted! \o/

Leaning towards voting PSV considering how EOD went as well, I am very curious about the pivot in general though because if the vote went from wolf -> town in a sudden burst, I think there's likely a wolf in those who piled on once things built up. I know it was mainly town-driven given Nutella's flip but like. A pure pivot onto a lowposter from someone who wasn't doing great engagement wise seems really odd ?_?

this is scum.
the other 17 words are useless
i caught one

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 2:14 pm Here, @Delta. Does this please the court?

First there is Alexy and she's skating by,
But her lack of reads perplexes me, I cannot lie.
Next up is Cape and at first I was suspicious
But after his most recent posts I find he's bootylicious.
Thereafter on the list you have DarlingMonroe
Right now that's a question mark. I simply don't know.
Delta, oh Delta, I must dedicate this to thee.
Alas, when I read your posts they make me squinty.
The good doctor must be busy with his hatchlings.
Yet sometime I'll need substance or he might get a tackling.
ilario, ilario, what else is there to say?
I must confess I'm lost there. I can't figure out his play.
Jackofhearts is aptly named; he has stolen mine.
Of all the players in this thread, he's surely looking fine.
Coke with a twist of lime, goes by the name of Brad;
He's on my list of townreads, a friend to be had.
The rules are the rules and the facts are the facts.
When it comes to Long Con, he must get the axe.
Scottster I think is town, though perchance he could be 3p.
With his sentences being chopped, it gets a little creepy.
Finally there's tutuu, whom I yesterday found scummy.
Today I find I hesitate, so perhaps my read was crummy.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:06 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:04 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:02 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:00 pm Oh I see the green peek

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I was wondering when you'd reach that point

i was on mobile when I popped into the thread

I hate mobile

I’ll be the first to admit, this site is not user-friendly on mobile.

I’ve only ever been on mobile, so I can attest to

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:03 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:51 pm Ok actually final question then I'll put the whole Cape/Ilario shit to rest

When either of you are around; who from the playerlist would know that you two cant read each other well?

I'm trying to think of v/v worlds here that make sense & the first thing that came to mind was 'is there anyone here that has no reason not to feed into it?'

e.g would there be someone that got told in wolfchat you'd both misread each other and to just. not intervene?
and therefore one min experienced, one inexperienced?

I'm losing my mind focusing on this detail but :wowee: might as well exhaust it to not miss something

@Cape90

enable my silly thoughts a little while longer? ?

Delta wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:02 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 8:00 pm Oh I see the green peek

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I was wondering when you'd reach that point