The Syndicate

see at least Vivax is honest. Thanks, Vivax.

especially when I figured out mac wasn't mocking my ego and just thinks I am good.

I have self-esteem problems which is a major wowee

most of these jokes the whole game have been great tbh

I wish I had the blessing this game to be scum so I had the fun of hunting for a power role.

which by the way, and I get the various nuances can be lost as I am a really odd thinker, I don't think I've had an emotional reaction to a single wolf read of me.

Which I guess is hard to believe because that's what people would usually have a problem with and they co-mingle a lot with posts.

also, knowing our luck, knowing this game, it's just wilgy and this was all for nothing because that is the ultimate wowee of them all.

Or I have also considered that it is ender and I just keep scum reading someone for a day before moving on which would also be wowee

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:56 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:55 am So you see, in that champs game you referenced where let me be clear I FUCKING SUCKED I cleared the only two people who voted the wolf early.

They were wolves too.

Bussing is sometimes a thing.

wowee
But you should be townread for pushing a mafia d1, right

Oh no, just please don't say I had a bad day 1

Kill me, daddy. Run me through.

Then, when I flip town, at least make sure my reads are considered before town loses.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:55 am @Achromatic nook was maf in his champs game (#3) if you need to iso his maf game

much appreciated. Hm, # 3... was that the really good one for scum or the sweep for town or am I just misremembering.

So you see, in that champs game you referenced where let me be clear I FUCKING SUCKED I cleared the only two people who voted the wolf early.

They were wolves too.

Bussing is sometimes a thing.

wowee

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:51 am I mean your position is that I lol bussed both partners so like

You can't pretend it's a ridiculous stance lol

Ahem

Your vote on Tommy day 1 was a naked vote and bussing Tommy would or would not have mattered given that day ended early. It cost you nothing.

Lynching Porscha is why I am okay with wilgy first.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:49 am I gave you a real response, if you want to discard it that's fine, but now all I have for you are memes if you're gonna continue pursuing this angle. Self defenses don't usually mean much to me, I gave yours a chance, it did not outweigh the rest of my read. I acknowledge you made it, it doesn't change my read

To teach a mafia lesson to you all, go read what I just suggested about my day 1, go read nanook's clears, and compare the strength of it.

Actually, kill me first so you know I am town, and then remember I said "huh, it seems like nanook's really trying to squint hard here to not re-eval me, and then remember Nanook's own standards about being results based.

Nanook is a mafia arch-demon. He's the greatest (besides me ofc ofc) so if he can't find me town when I try to convince him, always w I guess.

shrug

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:46 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:45 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:40 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:35 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:32 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:31 am also ps I really don't mind if nanook isn't the wagon today as you all have a lot more experience I just want everyone to be open minded in future days, you can still kill me it's pretty chill
Sure doesn't feel chill.
Yes I know that's because you aren't parsing my problems with the game correctly and confbiasing into what you want them to be.

The rant is more about the perception of play and some of that involved a diss track for misreading me based off the standards set out for me, but really overall being suspected is part of the game.

(Nanook's response to me is not chill because it glosses over all nuance of my iso which there is A LOT of and just goes lol w, which if w is reasonable and if v is pretty much just like 'okay cool glad to know nanook's range now I guess)
Did you expect a point by point breakdown? I do not find those productive
Typing words where it is actually clear you read what I typed would suffice.
I read about half of it. Skimmed the rest. I held it in my mind's hand. I cradled it. I weighed it. It did not spark town, so I tossed it aside.

Right, so your position is I spent about 200 posts world building around Porscha, trying to goad Tommy to vote Porscha with me, and ultimately before day one ended making it clear that if I couldn't get Porscha I'd be fine with tommy, and you thought yourself 'yeah that seems aligned'

Just so we're clear with each other.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:40 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:35 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:32 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:31 am also ps I really don't mind if nanook isn't the wagon today as you all have a lot more experience I just want everyone to be open minded in future days, you can still kill me it's pretty chill
Sure doesn't feel chill.
Yes I know that's because you aren't parsing my problems with the game correctly and confbiasing into what you want them to be.

The rant is more about the perception of play and some of that involved a diss track for misreading me based off the standards set out for me, but really overall being suspected is part of the game.

(Nanook's response to me is not chill because it glosses over all nuance of my iso which there is A LOT of and just goes lol w, which if w is reasonable and if v is pretty much just like 'okay cool glad to know nanook's range now I guess)
Did you expect a point by point breakdown? I do not find those productive

Typing words where it is actually clear you read what I typed would suffice.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:40 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:35 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:32 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:31 am also ps I really don't mind if nanook isn't the wagon today as you all have a lot more experience I just want everyone to be open minded in future days, you can still kill me it's pretty chill
Sure doesn't feel chill.
Yes I know that's because you aren't parsing my problems with the game correctly and confbiasing into what you want them to be.

The rant is more about the perception of play and some of that involved a diss track for misreading me based off the standards set out for me, but really overall being suspected is part of the game.

(Nanook's response to me is not chill because it glosses over all nuance of my iso which there is A LOT of and just goes lol w, which if w is reasonable and if v is pretty much just like 'okay cool glad to know nanook's range now I guess)
Still waiting on that PoE of 5.

Wilgy/Nanook/Ender/Anything past this I am compltely snowed and have 0 clue

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:41 am If it's not achro it's wilgs/sean/lucy

sean was directly spewed clear by porscha in a super outing way and lucy while wimless has several non aligned posts.

Okay I have fully embraced the meme.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:32 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:31 am also ps I really don't mind if nanook isn't the wagon today as you all have a lot more experience I just want everyone to be open minded in future days, you can still kill me it's pretty chill
Sure doesn't feel chill.

Yes I know that's because you aren't parsing my problems with the game correctly and confbiasing into what you want them to be.

The rant is more about the perception of play and some of that involved a diss track for misreading me based off the standards set out for me, but really overall being suspected is part of the game.

(Nanook's response to me is not chill because it glosses over all nuance of my iso which there is A LOT of and just goes lol w, which if w is reasonable and if v is pretty much just like 'okay cool glad to know nanook's range now I guess)

also ps I really don't mind if nanook isn't the wagon today as you all have a lot more experience I just want everyone to be open minded in future days, you can still kill me it's pretty chill

Say I am wolf, but seeing as I have more solving posts today than most people have for the entire three days maybe get your mafia glasses checked.

Like, fit your tunnel however you like, but 'I just don't think achro is solving' when I have gone through almost everyone and iso'd a lot of people clearing them before arriving at a poe that includes nanook is just factually not true.

Your read is your read, but please understand the content I have posted before typing up a post. I think that's fair.

My legacy is all of my town reads, and wilgy/nanook

it's crystal clear

there's one wolf left. I have made my legacy known.

Like, yah?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:23 am Okay so Achromatic today started by pushing the idea that they were okay dying as long as we listen to their legacy thoughts. Then then said they were working on their legacy, but they spent pretty much the entire time trying to make Nanook a wagon. Then they started defending themselves. Then they got upset that the work they were doing wasn't causing people to clear them. I'm not saying this couldn't come from a townie, but I don't feel like they've actually given a good faith effort to put together a legacy, and I feel instead their only goal here is to not get elim'd. The feel I get from their posts about them making a legacy isn't the townie "fine, kill me but sheep me please", and instead "look at how townie I look, don't kill me!".

Not to mention the blantant fishing for PRs. Massclaim here is super duper suboptimal considering we have 4 miselims (so we can trust anyone who claims late in the day under pressure of death since we have time to resolve any claims before F3).

Hi, Achro here.

Never speak to my effort ever again, you don't have that right.

thanks.

xoxo

okay, cool, I'll take it. Now I can calm down.

I'm good now. It is... tilting to hear "we just lose to nanook then' after seeing their response to my defense being that way.

Mac, I apologize. I have not slept, and despite my usual calm demeanor I have lingering anger issues. I don't like to think any of us but tommy have actually played badly by the way. Just a little differently than everyone else.

I probably need a break from mafia anyway. I'll vote however I please, but I won't raise a fuss anymoe.

I really am sorry, this was infuriating, and I try my best to hold it in but its been building for days. I'm going to go meditate.

like if you go.. hold on please.

12-10
10-8
8-6
6-4

4 lynches without getting the scum can we go 'maybe achro is right'

like we're pretty far away from f3 I dont think I am asking for a lot

like can we enter a space where nanook doesnt just beat us if we listen to you mac?

Like his response to my defense is like, open wolfing or just ... beyond imagining to me from a town player which is FINE, but can we at least set it up so if all of your other reads are wrong at fnal 3 we go 'man maybe achro had a point' ????

Fine, mac.

Can we at least have a prisoner exchange? Like if I am right about Ender today does that still not buy me the credits to lynch Nook? Is there no amount of social credits I can acquire?

No no, it's an aggro achro day now. I tried to keep things chill, I tried to tell people to cool off, I tried to remember you guys don't know me but nope.

nope.

Ain't stopping.

No personal insults, I am sure you're all lovely.

but achro is not calming down.

no, no, no.

Moving on was when I sincerely gave effort to defend myself and show my solving process.

Moving on is done.

OVER.

If you want me to stop, there's a vote button. You ain't picking nanook, so you're picking me.

I mean the most likely worlds right now besides nanook according to some folks

1) wow nanook is town but hard shielded wolf for two days WOWOWOW
2) ender is wolf and oh look I cased him so ???

Mafia is a complex game, there is a lot of back and forth, and I am sorry that this is apparently BEYOND many of you but making errors here and there is not always bad play. It's just mafia. It happens.

But for so many people to tell me that shielding an overwhelmed player WHILE NUKING another scum is a bad day 1 is just.... it's mafia insanity. It's without merit. A sham. Like, what are you even talking about right now? My entire point day 1, was, "why vote tommy porscha is worse"

which is right

it was right

then day 2, and fuck me for this, I just completely forgot while doing mental calculus that I had played with Porscha before. So sorry. I wish I could be as perfect as every one of you who has called me bad and wolf a lot this game and never make any wrong reads oh wait.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:22 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:19 am I have taken the wolf cases with me mostly with grace and done my best to work through the issues.

But guess way. Everyone who has wolf read me even once is BAD. You can't be trusted. Super bad apparently. Wow you were wrong. In mafia. So bad. None of you get a say. Sorry.
You've scumread me for three days but consider yourself a "good" "mafia" "player" ? Omegalulz get pwnd

Again, full marks.

Mac you said I was wolf early day one bad. Invalidates all your reads
Dizzy you too sorry
Ender oops
Rondo oops
Axe from dead chat oops
Nanook tbf you are wolf and honestly splendid job, nothing bad to say here
Vivax you voted me oops
Sabi voted me oops
Seanziw you suspected me

Wow so many bad reads on me how do we handle this.

I have taken the wolf cases with me mostly with grace and done my best to work through the issues.

But guess way. Everyone who has wolf read me even once is BAD. You can't be trusted. Super bad apparently. Wow you were wrong. In mafia. So bad. None of you get a say. Sorry.

Nope nope nope. Not a single other time.

Kill me if you want but nope. Not going to let a single one of you live in this fake reality where I haven't been ok. Not perfect but ain't no one perfect.

Nope. Denied. No respect. Literally if it is ender all I did day 1 and 2 is tunnel two wolves and you call that bad. Literal insanity

Everyone is town besides nanook now. Mac won't cooperate fine. Kill me or nanook and free me then but I ain't taking this quietly.

Rondo I know you don't give a fuck what Mac thinks. Vote nanook. Let's cook

Denied.

Mac is denied. Only one vote

ENDER

My man. Use some of that big dick energy and vote nanook with me.

Don't care. No ground to stand on to critique my play. Right there with me day 2 on porscha because she did well. Then turn around and dismiss me. Nope. Denied. There is a limit. Reached. Don't care.

I have been called bad more times than I am going to stand. Limit reached.

Not bad. Not had at all. 0 worlds where this is bad overall. Very solvey. One mistake. Nope

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:08 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:07 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:04 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:03 am I mean I am defending him now too based off day 3 perspective tbh
Yeah but you've had the objective worst reads in the game and that's with the top post count. So your reads accuracy to opinion shared ratio is so wack your opinion on his alignment is probably less reliable than his.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

No I haven't. Get your head out of your ass and listen to me. Enough of this. I tunneled mafia all day 1. I didn't give a shit about some non poster but my iso makes it clear I was fine with that chop. I made literally one mistake on porscha in a day where like 40 people thought porscha was posting good including you. Nanook was part of that eod that felt off.

Also if my reads are so fucking bad then my case on ender is bad day 2. How does this even make sense. If ender is w then I tunneled scum day 1 and then scum day 2

???
Don't swear at me Achro. I don't abide hypocrisy.

Enough. I don't care. Tilted. Been called back one too many times. Nope. Nope Nope.

I wish some of you voting Mac would use that energy on nook tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:04 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:03 am I mean I am defending him now too based off day 3 perspective tbh
Yeah but you've had the objective worst reads in the game and that's with the top post count. So your reads accuracy to opinion shared ratio is so wack your opinion on his alignment is probably less reliable than his.

Jesus. Fucking. Christ.

No I haven't. Get your head out of your ass and listen to me. Enough of this. I tunneled mafia all day 1. I didn't give a shit about some non poster but my iso makes it clear I was fine with that chop. I made literally one mistake on porscha in a day where like 40 people thought porscha was posting good including you. Nanook was part of that eod that felt off.

Also if my reads are so fucking bad then my case on ender is bad day 2. How does this even make sense. If ender is w then I tunneled scum day 1 and then scum day 2

???

I mean I am defending him now too based off day 3 perspective tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 8:01 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:59 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:59 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:58 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:57 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:56 am

Over my dead body
We're 1/1 going for that. We are both but humans, compared to fiendish and clever wolves.
Who did I shield sorry?
No I mean one of us making that statement and being wrong. It's your turn now. Only fair.
Oh haha yeah maybe. Probably not though.
Solve enough others and me being wrong on nanook doesn't matter tbh.
I've solved to a degree I'm content with atm. I want to chop Ender and Wilgy.

You just said no to ender wth

Then we can lynch him. Gg

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:59 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:58 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:57 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:56 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:55 am Look at the quality of nanook's post about my game compared to any other solving done today. It's day 3. I was promised something different.
Over my dead body
We're 1/1 going for that. We are both but humans, compared to fiendish and clever wolves.
Who did I shield sorry?
No I mean one of us making that statement and being wrong. It's your turn now. Only fair.
Oh haha yeah maybe. Probably not though.

Solve enough others and me being wrong on nanook doesn't matter tbh.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:57 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:56 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:55 am Look at the quality of nanook's post about my game compared to any other solving done today. It's day 3. I was promised something different.
Over my dead body
We're 1/1 going for that. We are both but humans, compared to fiendish and clever wolves.
Who did I shield sorry?

No I mean one of us making that statement and being wrong. It's your turn now. Only fair.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:56 am
Achromatic wrote: ↑Tue Aug 09, 2022 7:55 am Look at the quality of nanook's post about my game compared to any other solving done today. It's day 3. I was promised something different.
Over my dead body

We're 1/1 going for that. We are both but humans, compared to fiendish and clever wolves.

Look at the quality of nanook's post about my game compared to any other solving done today. It's day 3. I was promised something different.

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