The Syndicate

Nothing I do matters

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:36 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:50 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:47 pm You're implying if Abigail flips town we have to flip Kate?
No. I'm saying that if people believe the dichotomy between the two is valid, then they shouldn't be alive together in the final phases of the game -- folks would be forced to make a choice that'd be similar to guessing.

The dichotomy may also be invalid. I hope folks will discuss that.
Ok
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:50 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:41 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:38 pm
Spoiler: show
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:03 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:27 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:38 am

Thanks for keeping your reads open Brad, this looks good for you

Can you explain, in detail that I am sure to understand, what you mean by this gif response to post that does concern you nor contain anything posted by you?
Well see I'm playing mafia so generally speaking wolfy behavior always concerns me. Including this.
Yah I am playing mafia too I do not need that.

What is wolfy behavior that you see in this post?
Who in the post you quoted is wolfy?
Why are they wolfy?
Don't need what exactly not sure what you don't need. I responded to something I didn't like.

It was the second pockety ass last towards anyone and everyone who expressed a scum read on me a towny so yeah that's kinda wolfy fmpov as a town who's getting pushed weakly for something I do literally every game on other sites with great success.

Now that's kinda whatever omgus I get it I get all defensive over people voting me early to but what I don't do is go around uwuing anyone who 180s their read for weak reasons
This is a total word salad and I don't consider it an explanation for the read or reasons for finding me wolfy
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:42 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆ would you be able to put together a full list of reads? Rainbow or tiers or something like that would be super. Explanations only if you feel like it.
I mean my list is just what I've posted

Your town or your not in my eyes

You and falcon are town and I'm like at least gonna fake confidence until exelo on both those reads.

I literally have not found anyone else this game. Wiml is probably the closest thing I have to another town lock at this point in catch up his posts are inquisitive and insightful in a way that's towny in mindset in my opinion. Their questions seem to come from a place of genuine solving and not from a place of pushing a scum agenda.

Now I do need to disclose that my dyslexia is particularly awful this game so I'm struggling to read and retain a lot of Wimls posts because they are often wordy but what I do manage to understand feels pure as snow to me...

Actually writing this post has made me pretty confident

TOWN CORE

JJJ
Wiml
Falc
+3

Falcon is like exclusively just based off the fact that there's a large consensus on him being town I am in agreement though less hoorah on it but others confidence is just kinda influencing my choice since it gels with my general read direction on falc
Are you implying Falcon is town because he is thread spewed?
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:06 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:36 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:28 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆

Would you agree that, even if the "first three-vote wagon contains one mafioso in four names" theory is consistently accurate, that you fundamentally break it by causing the wagon to reach three votes yourself?
Yes though I've done it before. It generates content. Readable content and while I've not tracked the success of forcing the read and can't remember if it worked or not I do think there's validity in that it forced his readable content out of Michelle You Roxy...
How did you read that content for Michelle and Roxy?
I think I've made my stance on Michelle pretty clear I think they've been excessively wolfy.

Also talked about Roxy
No, your stance are far from being clear, can you restate your reasons?

You have zero desire to solve me in good faith. You have conf biased your conclusion since post one much like Epi

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:10 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:06 am I think I've made my stance on Michelle pretty clear I think they've been excessively wolfy.

Also talked about Roxy
Yep, you got there on your own.

Would it be accurate to say that your current mafia reads are Epignosis, Michelle, and Kate in some order?

In a sense

My mafia reads are anyone and everyone that I am not town reading in no particular order

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:54 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:22 am Adding Wilgy to this

JJJ
Wiml
Falc
Wilgy
+2

Game so ez let's go
What sold you on Wilgy?

Purrity and vibes entirely and I can't explain it much better than that

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:36 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:28 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆

Would you agree that, even if the "first three-vote wagon contains one mafioso in four names" theory is consistently accurate, that you fundamentally break it by causing the wagon to reach three votes yourself?
Yes though I've done it before. It generates content. Readable content and while I've not tracked the success of forcing the read and can't remember if it worked or not I do think there's validity in that it forced his readable content out of Michelle You Roxy...
How did you read that content for Michelle and Roxy?

I think I've made my stance on Michelle pretty clear I think they've been excessively wolfy.

Also talked about Roxy

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:31 am Can't decide on what I want to cook for supper this week.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 6:07 am I'm booooored this thread is so slooooow
Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:35 am I'm so booooored this game is so slow
Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:01 pm Booooored
Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 11:01 pm But mostly booooored
Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:02 am I am so very boooored
Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:33 am Rem is gone I'm booooored again
Civilian.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:07 pm I'm booooored
Civilian.

Well see the problem with reading into this is there's many factors that lead to me being more or less bored.

For instance like a break up might do that. It a new relationship. Or like being lost in one's feelings and thus never being fully caught up in thread meaning one might not be noted

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:28 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆

Would you agree that, even if the "first three-vote wagon contains one mafioso in four names" theory is consistently accurate, that you fundamentally break it by causing the wagon to reach three votes yourself?
Yes though I've done it before. It generates content. Readable content and while I've not tracked the success of forcing the read and can't remember if it worked or not I do think there's validity in that it forced his readable content out of Michelle You Roxy...

Expanding on specifically Roxy I think their reaction was pretty meh generally speaking but for Roxy this specific reaction was >rand towny

Not enough for me to lock it in and town core get but enough that I'm happy to lean her town for now

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:35 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:34 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:06 pm I'm very interested in knowing Abigail's read on Kate.
Haven't you asked for this about twelve times?
Probably more times than necessary. She seems to be reviewing the game in order so I'll wait a bit.

Yes. This is how I am and always have done catch ups

You don't play with me but Epi has so the shade feels excessively fake.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:06 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:05 am You literally can not disagree with them. I gave quite literally physically recorded them. They are quite literally proven.
How many of those wagons proven by your stats included your own town vote?

Dunno. I've defs done it before but I don't include that in the stats lol

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:42 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆ would you be able to put together a full list of reads? Rainbow or tiers or something like that would be super. Explanations only if you feel like it.
I mean my list is just what I've posted

Your town or your not in my eyes

You and falcon are town and I'm like at least gonna fake confidence until exelo on both those reads.

I literally have not found anyone else this game. Wiml is probably the closest thing I have to another town lock at this point in catch up his posts are inquisitive and insightful in a way that's towny in mindset in my opinion. Their questions seem to come from a place of genuine solving and not from a place of pushing a scum agenda.

Now I do need to disclose that my dyslexia is particularly awful this game so I'm struggling to read and retain a lot of Wimls posts because they are often wordy but what I do manage to understand feels pure as snow to me...

Actually writing this post has made me pretty confident

TOWN CORE

JJJ
Wiml
Falc
+3

Falcon is like exclusively just based off the fact that there's a large consensus on him being town I am in agreement though less hoorah on it but others confidence is just kinda influencing my choice since it gels with my general read direction on falc

Adding Wilgy to this

JJJ
Wiml
Falc
Wilgy
+2

Game so ez let's go

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 11:02 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:27 pm

I have ten posts, including the one I just made. I feel like I'm not playing.
I can just say at this point:

I figured your blind vote for Quin and your move against Abigail were both more "throw something at the wall and see how people handle it" than concrete reads. You can tell me if that's true or not.
True for Quin. My current vote is "realer."
Why Quin?
Nobody knew where you were.
Ick.

Vote: Epi

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:45 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:17 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:13 am The contrary view for Abigail is that she is not engaged or energized in this thread, and that's a stark difference to recent town games. I don't recall seeing her play as mafia and would need to snoop around to determine how meaningful that is.
This is indeed wolf indicative for me.

But must be compared with the general unease I feel about myself and my play right now
I don't have any knowledge regarding how you feel about yourself and your play right now. It isn't something I can factor into my view of you (and this goes for anybody else). I can only go by what's in the thread.

Kay well this was neither directed at you nor exclusive information that only you can read.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:22 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:19 pm Is cheesecake a pie or cake?
Worse than both

Scum just for this post

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:19 pm Is cheesecake a pie or cake?

Better than both

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s
You know I'm very tempted to have you guys lynch me just so I could prove definitively that intuition is better than stats.

We got em boys pack it in

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:17 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:15 pm Bro

I can't even comprehend my own thoughts rn. How did you do it?
They don’t give you a doctorate in psychology until you demonstrate that you can read minds.

Oh read mine read mine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:10 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:57 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:54 pm I do think being uninformed is a completely different beast. It's a lot easier to post when you have no clue.

Anyway, it's not worth dwelling on at this point. Kate is in my POE regardless of volume. I am considering Kate/Abigail as a difference check now (insert obligatory "or some softer version of that term").
I'd be interested in hearing your difference check read if you're up for explaining it?
The Kate/Abigail dif check is real. I remember thinking there was one but couldn't tell you for the life of me as to why I thought it.

Wild that it was observed by someone else though, I'd never had said anything and just let it amount to fuzzy sick brain.

I would expect... perhaps wrongfully... that Kate would have a better read on me than this

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:28 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆

Would you agree that, even if the "first three-vote wagon contains one mafioso in four names" theory is consistently accurate, that you fundamentally break it by causing the wagon to reach three votes yourself?

Yes though I've done it before. It generates content. Readable content and while I've not tracked the success of forcing the read and can't remember if it worked or not I do think there's validity in that it forced his readable content out of Michelle You Roxy...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:06 pm I'm very interested in knowing Abigail's read on Kate.

At this point in catch up it is not positive lol

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:00 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆ what can I do to help you get into this game?

I dunno...

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:45 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:29 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:26 am This is not real lol
Reads are fluid, especially this early. Keep doing your thing, Abigail.
Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again
This is extremely coherent for a tzenon.

Gonna put my vote here for now.

[VOTE: PA] aubergine

I... what? Your voting me for making sense?

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:43 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:38 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:05 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.
I disagree with the "high accuracy" portion of this post as the games I have played it has had only a 50/50 accuracy no worse than GTH reads imo.
I keep stats and it's >75% accurate across all sites
ok, but I'll agree to disagree with your stats <3 In the nicest poss way

You literally can not disagree with them. I gave quite literally physically recorded them. They are quite literally proven.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:42 pm @☆Princess Abigail☆ would you be able to put together a full list of reads? Rainbow or tiers or something like that would be super. Explanations only if you feel like it.

I mean my list is just what I've posted

Your town or your not in my eyes

You and falcon are town and I'm like at least gonna fake confidence until exelo on both those reads.

I literally have not found anyone else this game. Wiml is probably the closest thing I have to another town lock at this point in catch up his posts are inquisitive and insightful in a way that's towny in mindset in my opinion. Their questions seem to come from a place of genuine solving and not from a place of pushing a scum agenda.

Now I do need to disclose that my dyslexia is particularly awful this game so I'm struggling to read and retain a lot of Wimls posts because they are often wordy but what I do manage to understand feels pure as snow to me...

Actually writing this post has made me pretty confident

TOWN CORE

JJJ
Wiml
Falc
+3

Falcon is like exclusively just based off the fact that there's a large consensus on him being town I am in agreement though less hoorah on it but others confidence is just kinda influencing my choice since it gels with my general read direction on falc

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:41 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:38 pm
Spoiler: show
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:03 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:27 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:38 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:35 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:34 am

Understood, thanks. I'll stow my thoughts until falcon responds to this.
He'll probably post.

Like this.

Thanks for keeping your reads open Brad, this looks good for you

Can you explain, in detail that I am sure to understand, what you mean by this gif response to post that does concern you nor contain anything posted by you?
Well see I'm playing mafia so generally speaking wolfy behavior always concerns me. Including this.
Yah I am playing mafia too I do not need that.

What is wolfy behavior that you see in this post?
Who in the post you quoted is wolfy?
Why are they wolfy?

Don't need what exactly not sure what you don't need. I responded to something I didn't like.

It was the second pockety ass last towards anyone and everyone who expressed a scum read on me a towny so yeah that's kinda wolfy fmpov as a town who's getting pushed weakly for something I do literally every game on other sites with great success.

Now that's kinda whatever omgus I get it I get all defensive over people voting me early to but what I don't do is go around uwuing anyone who 180s their read for weak reasons

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:37 pm over-the-top

Oh...lol okay I'm memeing but fair ig

Wonder why

Oh cool I'm a run away wagon

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:03 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:55 pm @DrWilgy I know it sucks playing while ill, prioritise taking care of yourself first!!!

I'm happy just assuming you're a villager and giving you space for now tbh.
Aye, I'd just assume I'm an unknown though because I am.

I skimmed Falc and I agree this is T Falcon quite confidently. While I haven't seen LC's posts, I can believe T fal believes what he saw there and would be willing to sheep that so far.

Will nap and do some other thinking later.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

I think I'm at a point where I'm willing to just lock Falc into the town core until exelo

Town Core

JJJ
Falc
+4

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:23 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:59 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:56 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:14 am If the following people could provide link representative games of the listed alignments like JJJ did earlier then I'd appreciate it greatly:

@DrWilgy - Town
@Epignosis - Mafia
@falcon45ca - Mafia (not the recent one)
@Kate - Mafia
@Quin - Both
@Roxy - Both

Sorry for the mass ping!
no wtaf? I do not play your way I play my own tyvm <3 I hope you will do the same.
What do you mean? I'm only asking you to link a couple past games of yours, not asking you to play in any specific way.

I just want to learn about the people playing in this game who I don't know.
I won't do it bc I disagree on playing a meta based game state. You can play by meta if ya want to I never will base my game on them nor can I learn about player just by reading a past game, if you can more power to ya.

I have played many games on this site. Have fun in the Museum of the Mafioso.

Meta is foundational its very useful for laying a ground work to build a read on top of but nobody is gonna build the whole house out of foundation

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:15 am Somebody should be obvious town, I'd appreciate it.

Hi is be obvious town Abigail thanks for finding me

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:05 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.
I disagree with the "high accuracy" portion of this post as the games I have played it has had only a 50/50 accuracy no worse than GTH reads imo.

I keep stats and it's >75% accurate across all sites

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:03 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:27 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:38 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:35 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:34 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:31 amDoesn't seem to care about his vote.

His question towards Epi voting Quinn didn't feel like something he was trying to use to solve Epi and didn't look like he cared about the response.
Understood, thanks. I'll stow my thoughts until falcon responds to this.
He'll probably post.

Like this.

Thanks for keeping your reads open Brad, this looks good for you

Can you explain, in detail that I am sure to understand, what you mean by this gif response to post that does concern you nor contain anything posted by you?

Well see I'm playing mafia so generally speaking wolfy behavior always concerns me. Including this.

Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:57 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:15 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:11 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:58 pm To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.
Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?
I don't believe you interpreted JJJ's statement this way.

Fake entrance.

[VOTE: ☆Princess Abigail☆] aubergine

a ott response - ping. a baby one.

What is ott?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:16 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:13 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:49 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:23 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:25 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am My take is the oposite. She came, said a non energetic hi, saw a wagon and hopped in without any other logic behind that it have to contain a wolf and choosing the actual wagon because why not.

1. Wolves need to have to show activity so they will start by supporting any wagon on a townie that it's there.
2. The addition at the so called wagon analysis is so forced, "not me", and psychologically implies manipulative intention.
3. I am sorry you don't observe the pocketing attitude she has while she agrees with your Michelle/ Wiml not aligned.

I am putting my vote down on her and I would do it for any other wagon she would put her vote on as third vote for no reason, but I am doing it with more conviction because I have TMI on my alignament.

[VOTE: Abigail] aubergine
I can understand this perspective, and in an ironic sense the validity in "one of these people is mafia" can be applied to her as much as to you or Wiml. Perhaps there's self-awareness in that.

I'll remove my town read on her for now. I don't have much confidence in it.
Sus... but actually probably towny...

Meh let's lock that in for the fuck of it

Town Core.

JJJ
+5
This might be partially answered in the question I asked above but if you could please clarify the following:

- Why is this towny from JJJ?

- Why are you adding JJJ to your confident towncore so nonchalantly when you've consistently expressed a lack of confidence in your play prior to this point? (p#204 as an example). I know that you put a lot of pride into these sort of reads, are you not concerned about being wrong again on a towncore read?
I told JJJ why I thought that was towny

I can't find the post but I did explain it.
Thanks, yeah I noticed it after I posted the question and I feel fine with thinking you could believe that.

Got a response to my second point?

I'm bloody terrified of being wrong yeah but fear will freeze you and that's not a good way to play this.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:49 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:23 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:25 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:22 am My take is the oposite. She came, said a non energetic hi, saw a wagon and hopped in without any other logic behind that it have to contain a wolf and choosing the actual wagon because why not.

1. Wolves need to have to show activity so they will start by supporting any wagon on a townie that it's there.
2. The addition at the so called wagon analysis is so forced, "not me", and psychologically implies manipulative intention.
3. I am sorry you don't observe the pocketing attitude she has while she agrees with your Michelle/ Wiml not aligned.

I am putting my vote down on her and I would do it for any other wagon she would put her vote on as third vote for no reason, but I am doing it with more conviction because I have TMI on my alignament.

[VOTE: Abigail] aubergine
I can understand this perspective, and in an ironic sense the validity in "one of these people is mafia" can be applied to her as much as to you or Wiml. Perhaps there's self-awareness in that.

I'll remove my town read on her for now. I don't have much confidence in it.
Sus... but actually probably towny...

Meh let's lock that in for the fuck of it

Town Core.

JJJ
+5
This might be partially answered in the question I asked above but if you could please clarify the following:

- Why is this towny from JJJ?

- Why are you adding JJJ to your confident towncore so nonchalantly when you've consistently expressed a lack of confidence in your play prior to this point? (p#204 as an example). I know that you put a lot of pride into these sort of reads, are you not concerned about being wrong again on a towncore read?

I told JJJ why I thought that was towny

I can't find the post but I did explain it.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:49 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:39 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:10 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:20 am Bleh I need more towns

Be towny.
Where's your head at currently?
My head is at if I find 6 townies I win but I've only found one confident town read
Is that townie falcon?

(And thanks for the other response).

No it's JJJ

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:39 am Another dumb how to use the site question but is there a mobile-friendly way to post the vote count polls as text in the thread?

Assuming the answer is yes since Michelle did so earlier.

I just copy paste and reformat them on mobile

It is not friendly though

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:30 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:58 pm To the best of my memory, this is the first time I have been a civilian in a Syndicate game since 2021. I am probably going to be my worstbest self and play at full throttle, as though this is the last chance I will ever have to solve a Mafia game.

Come friends, and let us make mincemeat of malevolent mountainous mafia.
Wait... this is the last game your ever playing?
I realise that I misread this post from Abigail initially and it's nowhere near as bad as I had initially thought it was on my first viewing.

How did you read it initially? What changed? Why does that change your stance on Epis push?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 7:10 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:20 am Bleh I need more towns

Be towny.
Where's your head at currently?

My head is at if I find 6 townies I win but I've only found one confident town read

Bleh I need more towns

Be towny.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:43 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:25 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:44 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again
Truth be told, my biggest takeaway from that sequence wasn't "Abigail is suspicious", but instead it was "Michelle is making sound points and seems authentic". This is kind of the nature of teamwork, as I see it.

I do think it's plausible that LC followed the wave, since his reduced town read followed directly from mine. So that could be called fishy.
I mean... maybe but I don't even think the reasoning was that sound Michelle was just looking for a reason to omgus me
I take that you consider my vote on you fabricated. Give me details

I think that you are accusing me of things you are actively doing far more than I am wrt pocketing specifically

And I do not believe you believe your reasons for voting me when you have seen me play before.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:38 am I like Epi's push on Abigail (irrespective of Abigail's alignment).

I think the reasoning is understandable and I can believe that Epi believes in what he's pushing with the intensity he has.

Otherwise, I don't have a lot to say on his posting.

The reasoning that I lied about something excessively innocuous for no reason as wolf is understandable?

Cause I do not see it.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:05 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:33 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.
Or alternatively, if you can remember another time you made this read, that'd help. I said earlier that I thought I had seen it before from you, but I cannot recall specifically.
I can vouch for this tell being a thing that town-Abi would absolutely believe in, even if I also can't think of a specific time she's made this read otoh.

I'm kinda known for it on FoL and MU xD

Enough that I've been pushed for not using it on FoL

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:44 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again
Truth be told, my biggest takeaway from that sequence wasn't "Abigail is suspicious", but instead it was "Michelle is making sound points and seems authentic". This is kind of the nature of teamwork, as I see it.

I do think it's plausible that LC followed the wave, since his reduced town read followed directly from mine. So that could be called fishy.

I mean... maybe but I don't even think the reasoning was that sound Michelle was just looking for a reason to omgus me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:33 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:31 am It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.
Or alternatively, if you can remember another time you made this read, that'd help. I said earlier that I thought I had seen it before from you, but I cannot recall specifically.

I can remember many

Let me go find them

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost7065338

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost7065348

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost7065633

Here is a progression that exactly mirrors my read here. I was wrong about DDS but very much right about the 1 in 4

I'm too lazy to go dig around FoL for games but if you want more I will find them

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:29 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:26 am This is not real lol
Reads are fluid, especially this early. Keep doing your thing, Abigail.

Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:24 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:23 am Sus... but actually probably towny...
Are you able to describe the conflict that leads you here?

I think it's susssss that that is all it took to completely 180 your thought process on me because like Michelle basically just said the exact opposite thing as you and you just went oh yes right I remove my read.

And since I think Michelle has been kinda just scummy overall.

Butttt I think that wolf JJJ just continues to pocket me and power wolf because you know it will work on me and I just kinda feel your more likely to be just like hard power wolfy and convicted based on my admittedly very limited experience

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:20 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:17 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:13 am The contrary view for Abigail is that she is not engaged or energized in this thread, and that's a stark difference to recent town games. I don't recall seeing her play as mafia and would need to snoop around to determine how meaningful that is.
This is indeed wolf indicative for me.

But must be compared with the general unease I feel about myself and my play right now
Open invite to chat with me at any point we're both alive in this game.

I'll try to be honest and (politely) let you know if I disagree with your game approach.

Open permission to let me know when you think you have advice about anything. Pls... just tell me.

It's a read I've used with consistency for months with insanely high accuracy.

The read is the first wagon with 3 votes always had 1 wolf in 4 names

I admittedly forced it here but still.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:41 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml

One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.
Why are you confident that there's specifically one wolf in those four names?

Given that you would know that you're town, I'm not seeing a compelling reason why a two vote wagon on another player during RVS has to contain a wolf within the three names with the confidence you're suggesting here.

Not that I don't think it's very plausible but I'm specifically interested about hearing about why you're so confident about this.

Simple meth

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